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welcome to the program. and so robin, this is the 1st major step and ukraine's bid for loan, sold off to membership if a european union, the blocks leaders method in brussels on thursday to approve accession tools for both ukraine and moultrie. but it's been have as a victory n t much needed. one way of it's counter offensive against russian falls is struggling in the east. but it's a single step on the long road to membership and came with a reminder. the rest of the path will be difficult. we'll discuss this without guessing a may, but the 1st for the call has this report political victory for ukraine. but it didn't come easy. the main opponent to at joining the european union hungry is victor or ben left the room just before the vote among the leaders and brussels

that didn't dampen their enthusiasm, swimming bolt into. we want to support new creating piece of it was for, for the funding til the sooner the so we both went to a decision and today and tonight i think to the people from you free we are on the side and piece the decision made by the members, this is history reason fault and for the attribute of their opinions. this talks and ukraine becoming a fault, you member, are expected to take years, the cost to the budget and the impact of such a large country entering europe. single market are likely to be key sticking points . so near the st. provo, try to put what this is a massive job to integrate the state, all the institutions, all the norms, all of it's in europe and union, but we'll do it. ukraine's repeatedly prove what we're capable of to be another victorious decision. the time will come when will be able to celebrate ukraine's decision to the use of will be chesko is more. but ukraine is facing mounting

pressure on many fronts. have to be a session vote and ukraine's favor. a key funding vote went the other way. hungry has blocked it from receiving a $55000000000.00 aid package. and in the us, ukraine's largest single toner republicans are holding up more than $60000000000.00 and $8.00, seeking concessions from president joe biden. a counter offensive launched by ukraine's army against russian forces in june has failed to achieve any of its goals intended before winter. it's back in the defensive with russian forces gradually making advances in the eastern done yes, providence. at decade on from the pro year of my den protest, widely seen as the start with its contract with russia. ukraine has come a major step closer to joining the you for the a car. how to 0 for inside stored. going to even use has been welcome to cautiously

many the see it as a step forward for both ukraine and your rock. mcbride has more. so you crane this has been a summit of mixed fortunes. yes, paving. the way for you, accession is very welcome here. but the blocking by hungry of 50000000000, you'll rows in long term funding is a bit to blow. the hope is now that the 26 member states will be you who do want to see this funding go ahead, can come up with some kind of compromise deal in the weeks ahead. but it comes on the back of the disappointments of all of them is a landscape visit to washington, where it gets billions of us dollars in funding is being held up in congress money which ukraine desperately needs created. the world is dependent on ukraine and should help us because best of a, as a living shield for the hood of your little queen, they don't understand that the russians will give up. they'll go into poland bowl. so if we don't stop them, let me know back in ukraine. so lensky has been concentrating on the positive,

especially the possibility of e u membership, which is that the roots of a lot of the acrimony between keith and must go describing it as a victory that motivates, inspires and strengthens which ukraine will certainly need in the weeks ahead public bright the inside story in keith so let's bring it august for today's discussion on inside story from brussels, where the membership talks took place. we have come back home professor of international relations, the school of law and government, dublin city university. from london, we're drawing by money is of keana, had of regional security and conflict studies on the democratic initiative foundation thing time. she is also the research fellow on ukraine at the london school of economics and from belle. and that was found and editor in chief of b and e, intel, the new site business media company and full of mosca bureau chief with the daily

telegraph to all of our guest. thanks. joining us on inside story dr. typing starts with you actually own is what well really in the ranks of the e. u and this will concern ukraine. you'll have to judge where the thursday's news of accession tools installed, funding already a blessing or a cost and the show time long time. well it's, it's been a bitter sweet so much for, for your training and use because this is a historic moment. you can't get away from that. the role to be membership is now opened to train. and us, your report indicate that this is, you know, 10 years since the, you are my don, protests and ukraine, which in many ways precipitation was to conflict with russia because ukraine was making clear its intention to move westward. so this is an important milestone. and part of the step in that direction, but there are huge obstacles to overcome, not least the opposition of the home gary and prime minister victor or band through again, as you report indicated, a has objected to additional funding. i mean,

more than 50000000000 euro being provided to train and what he's doing is he's exploring an institutional weakness to within the european union. the fact that we require consensus, we require the name is a show and, and victoria has been a very strong ally of the truth when it comes to use policy towards did not give. i can just show him that we will actually get more into that in depth to join the conversation. just wanna get a brief idea. so let me just go to the re also in london, your general feeling of about these like session talks and the announcement a good thing, a bad thing for ukraine. what you do perspective is what your it gets absolutely positive saying i need to use what the ukranian society is struggling for. i would remind you that the accession to the european union has been prevailing scenes and age to thousands. were any kind of political or military union with russia even

before 2014 the but after 2015 and specials out of 2022 large scale invasion. so in all the regions of ukraine as pull sub absolute majority of the local population heating to 90 percent on average, around because of all support in joining the european union. so this is a big victory for ukraine and you're getting union now. okay, but my results got an overview from you mean top 40 the 1st step really to full membership, as we've mentioned at the top with this pregnant smoked a done deal. but the funding for defense, if you train against russia, will be of concerned as much to keys as it will be to most go. this is i, i'd say the decision to clear the way to begin the session. so it is largely symbolic and so much as nobody expects you crying to join the for at least for years, if not decades, it's a long process. a lot of changes letter phones have to happen. nevertheless, the funding issue, that's the key here. and so much is we're seeing all of the funding in the ukraine

is now caught up in various like snags in the us. the was supposed to put through a bite and proposed the $61000000000.00 package, which is got caught up in congress. and so by and has just blocks the release of the use package, 50000000000 euros. it's about him also in his country. one thing funds that are being held up by the e. u. so you might seats blocking this scenario with steve? is it a black mail? technique, how many people suspect it is, but the problem with black mailers is that if you paid them off, once you think the advice for you, no further acts of blackmail and you know, the optics didn't look good. i mean, the, you know, the day before yesterday, more than 10000000000 in you cohesion phones was on frozen. i promised to be delivered to, to, to budapest or bands government. and the very next day or band found this,

you know, mechanism whereby he could still maintain his own principles. opposition to opening talks with ukraine by upsetting himself from the room. so he didn't agree to it, but he didn't use his visual, but the problem remains. and he can use that, these are what any stage along the road or the use are you per bins talk to to be you membership. so this is a problem that way. it's very much alive. maria in london, how much of a problem or an upset, would this be full key to see hungry take this particular position and it's lead? is it, is it a worrying aspect, full precedence landscape? or is it something that he can over come pops with one to one talks and what's your glue for you? creating such a destructive position upon the re like beat the whole organ demonstrated before the day of here yesterday is not a problem just for your crime. but for the full european union, because everyone is direct into some kind of attract when one country can bull,

very significant and decision for these domestic political reasons. and actually there was follow the pressures. so let's say very legitimate press on the whole from us today, which allowed actually to unable the political process. but we pray on sides the mainland for which used to be as much constructive as possible. and several days before this, the yesterday signed france, ukraine has adopted a piece of legislation on national minority rights in ukraine, best peace, which makes the organ personally. and he's a political power. in fact, you probably were speculating about for years and years and they were claiming that they're worried about national bundle or direct ukraine. and then just several days before the assignment you granted, looked at every seeing which veneers commission and which your appealing commission and the vice ukraine. and all this is kind of the, the, the tactics which the credit is going to use for there to be very technical to adopt the decisions the recommendations on the side of the european commission and

to prepare for the recommendations dog before march 2024. when the formal decision on the legal station for the free will, will be developed and should by you repeat the commission and should be adopted. i mean, you must do it again by all the members states. indeed, a lot of technical diplomatic speak here as well. and maybe if we've talked about the session, not to a certain extent, everything is interlinked in this particular edition of inside story. but not right . so i want to just go back in to 20. 23. much was made about the spring defensive . it's all about funding, it's all about money and the advance is that shouldn't be made during the summer. it didn't happen as quickly as europe in the states. a washington would have liked and we're heading towards another with winter, dare i say it's of discontent or a stand off. the money that may be pledged to the ukraine and the tools that are on getting

a will have to own go into january 2020 full of all possible much logic jigsaw puzzles to try and solving this impasse in central europe of the cancer offensive of the summer i was a big disappointment. everyone was hoping for another spectacular break. so like we saw a lot of september with hockey defensive. the ukraine smashed through the rest of the lines and basically rast, the rest of the army. that doesn't happen. russia was given whatever it was 6 months to build for medical expenses and those health. and then that's raise the question with the disappointment of the lack of progress where people study to us. where do we go from here? it has a science, it ends, i mean, the know ministry of offices and the idea with 9. so it was to put ukraine into the strongest possible position and negotiations eventually stuff. and his position hasn't changed. and that's led to some ukraine fatigue. and we've seen the funding smiled up in the congress, $61000000000.00 a vitamin was proposing and also problems with the 50 foot in the the us supposed

to be giving. however, i mean we have to be clear head, so there's 2 separate issues. one was the session and the hungry has an actually be so funny said the members have to say yes, each punched it by working out the room when the vote was taken. but the issue with the 50 penny and there are what corrects there. and so much as you could break that some into smaller pots and then government, so to southern level, could raise that and they're independent. they could states do that. and then that could be paid into their ukrainian funds. so well, band conflict that one entirely. but i think that's my colleagues suggested there's a certain amount of blackmail go ahead and get here the already the signed off. i'm releasing 10000000000 funds that simpler than yours to so hungry. but all of them is holding out. there's a total of $30000000000.00 that's been frozen and it's operating at the level as the national interest to the hungry is national interest. they. they wants to get their hands on that money. and those, the executive e u level will probably they wants to support your crime. but as, as you use not

a federated political organization, there's not formal tools to do that so that you are also black meeting or by and by holding back these phones and data. and the thing is a, is i come to the right. yes. what's really interesting here is that while there was an impasse in washington and in brussels, maria in moscow, the president who held the press conference on size day is like a state of the nation address sweetie. and a question and answer for his public at large to ask him questions about the situation in his own country and the cost of what we need to ukraine. she seems to be quite happy at the moment from all accounts. he says things are going to brushes, plans that will be more offensive. his teacher cooperation has not ended. it felt like a bit of gamesmanship. it felt like putin was putting all the bravado. what was your assessments of that? considering she knows now how washington and brussels all bickering to a certain extent, over money. and one of the main goal is the process is to deprive and ukraine of

wisdom, newer treat and financial support. because that's the case for us that we'll be able to organize and not there like a scale attack which we just, we the, we should be failed on in february 2022 and then doing every scene. and that's what all the promises present. we do the, the full facility proficiency is just about that to me, the flow off for a west coast and military and implemented support to ukraine decrease and then just to capture what they failed to capture previously. but in this regard, there was a big hit on the rush, this policy with the a decision that ukraine is not a green zone between european union and ross of basis future new member states. and that's why older financial is systems coming to ukraine will be in the vestment, not in the black hole, but even though the future member states. and that's why they actually, if i disagree with, because the mystic assessments about these 50000000000,

your financial package or your credit, which would love to get to the with their budget that would packages yesterday by the 3rd floor. but i am very interested actually about that because you work in union is not. that is not just limited just to, to one procedure how to send money and this has improved the issue. uh, so they will pretty easily overcome this problem at the beginning of january on the extraordinary summit. well, i did, i did not. i was actually nothing degree the before we go come to you. it's not going to be just give all of us a little bit more detail about succession and what that actually means. because the e was looking for major to falls from t before getting close at to accession, basically in the fight against corruption and changes to its legal system. but during the day of home, things like agricultural subsidies will be just as important, sofa keeps fulfilled. 7 recommendations made by the e. u. rapid progress by may stand it. so it's hide on to corruption officials, for pad that you disagree for a major over hold on the line. its media legislation with

a you stand is but becoming a fully fledged member, the blog is a mattress and not a sprint key. you will have to run puppets fight against corruption. expand to cut down on smuggling and reform law enforcement the best of the to ukraine last month . cold accession process grueling. keeps progress will be assessed again in march to knock a can i come to you fast because corruption is a huge issue in any country across the world. we come to think about it sold about good governance. how much of an uphill struggle does ukraine have in tackling corruption every level while it's still fighting a war? or what will that says, do you fit the name on the head? i mean, they're trying to implement lot are, you know, huge performance for, for any countries, any time. but ukraine is fighting for it's very survival. it's an, an existential conflict with russia while trying to carry out these reforms. and it's, it's not, it's not about money. i mean, the, with these reforms will take place over a period of time. it's firstly about ending the occupation in liberation,

ukraine. the will be a sequencing of events and real reform can only take place in peace time under sticklers when people have returned to ukraine. the problem i think is that the use seems to, to lock a longer term strategy of how to help you train when at the moment it's in almost the end. this is a classic e. you, you might say, way of doing things in managerial mode. it throws money at the problem. it's, it takes in richard cheese, it supply some weapons with never as much as is required or, or requested. and this is really a david and goliath struggle between, you know, ukraine and, and russia. but between the 2 in russia and let's face it, ukraine is the phone line here for you, or i can just fight against your brain if you are, which is the july. i mean, the rush is economy at the end of the day is somewhat bigger than spend your favorite 2 nights and focuses on an entry to pray knowledge as it is one, a potential member of the you. if it gets it's a necessary support. there's no reason why it can't help you frame in, but it hasn't just had that focus so far and the just,

just to mention what children, what ben was saying about western petite. i mean, it's important to put this in in perspective. i mean, what, what the west has been asked to do ultimately is to open his checkbook, where's that ukrainians were dying of the front lines every day? they're the ones who are most fatigues and tired by this war. indeed, the war is an ongoing phone and assigned for so many across ukraine as well as pricing on the front line. very, very quickly. i just ask you just one last question on this particular subject about how quickly and how to inspire lee must president. so let's he get his house in older the residence, alaska is being controlled by not only governmental uh, governmental agencies, not when we buy into correctional agencies, but also by international. wanted to respond to repeating union methods because all the money in the financial packages are how do you pray that demand that to be transparent as we use. and can you create, i, would you mind that we have very little network of seagulls besides organizations

and to corruption ones are one of the strongest in europe. so basically i don't see any problem with transparent decision making, even in the times of the, even just 5 we have in marshall and for us, what types of us a little bit more context about the coke offensive that we all talked about. it's all related to this money, the 61000000000 over in the us and of a 50000000000 from the u. keeps count defensive is looking incompletes invest. we've just been talking about to the best and un failing of. it's was 6 months in ukrainian troops. if we taken less than 250 square kilometers of land, some of the major goals, we have to take back the key occupied cities of militia oppose. and the dense kelly cutting off rushes, lend connection to crimea and disrupting most guy supply lines. the ukranian troops, the fall from that objective. russia has created a 2nd front line, a network of defenses in the reach of each and the entire front line is 1000

kilometers long, and russia has been months forward to funding it. gains have been so side of the allies, a starting to voice concerned about the ukranian fatigue that we just being talking about internationally. and some mean if we need a site that will be they will meaningful progress and that they can receive more advanced weaponry from the west. let me bring in, then i re see it because been one of the biggest advancements this year was about the f. 16 jets from the us that would be donated in directly from the us, sol, through a 2nd country and the support full that requires training of ukrainian 5 digit pilots officially as a center open to what's in romania just what last month does not do training, getting on in the us is as you pay, we all are 2 really important to 2024. now for your grade, its key is that so the gates, i mean if you remember in the 1st days of the well in the 1st week,

so then speak to one of his video messages where he was cleaning. he was pleading with the west to close the skies and when he went as far as saying that night. so it will be responsible from every day, from today onwards. unless they close this guys and it's taking 2 years to get to these sixteens and the only a handful of pilots being trained and they're not going to enter the fray until next year at the earliest time, without the assess support. i mean classic night. so stress jeezy sending interest rate, but you give them access to i'm up in the summer offense. so if you're trying to be asked to do is do a front of the sort some of these very simple defensive positions with no echo. and consequently, they're taking a horrible casualties and i didn't go very far. okay. and insightful says, i mean the, the support we've given. well, the west has given, has been significant those many times and administrate sense. but it's always been slightly less and slight into lights. and we've not given ukraine the means to win

the war we've given you kind of means not to lose the was a 2 different things and the strategy up. and so now it seems to have been back exactly back to that then not to give the impression overwhelming ministry lights with because lying behind this is the fear that especially with the turnaround, if they're losing and say actually those the nights are bright and says and 9, so we're being attacked by nights losing and that would trigger this as well. and so there's a spinning sort of balance of benefit balancing act going on here to make sure that you're going just and elizabeth at the same time, not progressive to the point where it finds experience act directly by pits, or at least by proxy. just it hasn't said sofa and somebody's right we have to leave. that will be interesting to see how this debate continues us by the us and the u. k. head towards the national elections and how we pull the ukraine will, will be in the conversation. so the but we have to leave it that that's the goal of my guess to not to so back hold. maria is, are tina and then iris. thanks for joining us on this edition of inside story and

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