tv Inside Story Al Jazeera December 19, 2023 2:30pm-3:01pm AST
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is the latest news, as it breaks off with 40 was found down the hill and the only go to being show in the chest. we detailed coverage on you. this was where causes palestinians fly to now is ready. tanks of pushed into the hall of southern causes main cities to see this gen and is a great amount of people crowded in very slow areas and without any wider. and the last b has no human is teri and a s o u is complete system. the humanitarian crisis in gaza and if so, how much? as israel continues its attacks on the strip, the situation for its people are described this catastrophic. washington stands accused of turning a blind died. so what can be done to stop this catastrophe? this is the inside story, the
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word welcome to the program and serial then yea. after more than 2 months of war and siege, more chaotic scenes at the rasa crossing as people fight to get desperately needed to humanitarian aid. before the war, 850 trucks of 8 entered the strip every day through the column of we sell them crossing with israel and the rough of crossing with egypt. now that ended when is really imposed a complete blockade on october, the 7th. israel has temporarily reopened the route through current levels to land for the 1st time to allow in more humanitarian 8 and 24 trucks were allowed through . that was on sunday, but that's far short. the big, huge needs of the palestinians. should the united states a storage ally of israel be doing more to help them? and how complicit is washington? is this keep mandatory and catastrophe that's unfolding. we'll discuss all this in
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a moment 1st though. this report from victoria getting a desperate scrambles the seed of your wrathful crossing agency. satan's huff, the people in gauze, stopping, address it in the south. is it the epicenter of what the un describes as an apocalyptic humanitarian crisis? we are teetering on the edge of a possible conclusion because the reason more and more a breakdown of us to be the older. and as long the many turn assistance remained a crumble compared to the immensity of the need to the more this tension would continue, the more environment is becoming impossible. israel's rule has taken an unprecedented told and causes entire population. the un says 1900000 palestinians, that's more than 85 percent of the people have be not received from the homes. move
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in a 1000000 has been pushed to rafa, which is now the most densely populated area in the strip to discuss. and this new sanitation, the un says around 2200000 people need few days to suffice a number. i'm not going to see a lot about this be no flower for 3 or 4 days. there's no will to no rice with suffering. there's nothing living conditions are 0 percent, even minus 0. the one i've come every day since wednesday and returned empty handed . i spent the nights outside the gate while the area was being bombed. it's very difficult to do the suffering. i'm not able to buy food for my children, but the problem is really loud and limited amount of a 3. the crown up we send them closing on sunday. that's the 1st time since the storms of the war on garza, israel's army continues from bought the strip. you and officials a warning the limited delivery of desperately needed humanitarian age. lead to
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a breakdown in civil order. victoria gates and beef the inside story. the 5 to begin our guests from washington dc is robert hunter, former us ambassador at the nato from arlington. virginia is how that is getting the senior fellow at the middle east institute and director of palestine. and is really palestinian affairs at the institute also from washington. dc is zayna as raleigh hutchison, director of development and expansion at the american arab anti discrimination committee. you are an activist. thank you all for joining us. robert. first question to you since the us is israel. single biggest backer diplomatically, politically, militarily, economically. how much of this q monetary and disaster, and we've just seen those, those, that footage of people fighting to get that food at the roof of border crossing. how much of this humanitarian disaster is the us actually responsible for the
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perfect guy? everybody here synthesized emphasize with israel on october, the 7th. and how i subtract accounts about 1200 people and it took 240 hostages. but that was now 2 months ago, sense van with a major is really on a slot on gaza, which is code i guess in excess of 20000 people now. and maybe 50000 water. and the displacement of 8590 percent. maybe even more updates on the attention around the world and attention here, certainly on the media as shifted to the disaster. the catastrophe, i think as to where to use uh for a power study and paypal. and there really is only one thing that can be done right now is the president and his face has to tell a prime minister of israel to stop the bombing to stop to or and do it right now.
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because every day it goes on is not only worse because of people, there is becoming worse for the president of the united states. and is it ministration? you're not, you're not completely answering my question, robert, i, i take all your points. but the question is, how much is the you? how much can the us be blamed for this? since the us is providing diplomatic cover for israel, military assistance and economic health as well? how much can the united states be blamed, of israel is actually doing not as a to fighting and, and the killing other civilians as well as, i guess some people from us. but the united states is really only patriot patron. the bomb is, most of the bonds were supplied by the united states. some of them are hard to weapons. some of that are what they call them bond. we are actively engaged in this
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fight because way to have an added stage support. israel will you be able to carry it on and we're, we're uh, is rolling a whole new friend in the world. everybody in the world knows it was a board shop if the united states is real, it has to stop. so do i infer from that that you blame the u. s. at least in part for this or not quite well i, i think assessing blame is quite useless. i'm trying to make the point that mc and added, stacy said stop it. it would have to stop if you want to color blame on that you do it, but it certainly agency and it certainly engagement. and it's certainly a responsibility of the united states now item to get israel to stop. how it over to you to title your recent book blind spot? american and the palestinians from bell for to trump is the palestinian suffering,
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a blind spot in us foreign policy circles or and us decision making. i think there is no question that it is in the united states and us specials have historically had multiple blind spots most often to palestinian political aspirations and grades. but now we're seeing a very pronounced wind spot with regard to palestinian humanity. it's, it's, uh, i think it's clear the united states is there's enormous responsibility and frankly, isn't complicit. and that you minute, terry and catastrophe unfolding and gaza. united states has supported israel at every stage of this war. there are many things the united states could have done that it did not do. we could have laid out red lines very early on with regard to civilians. it could have said it's not acceptable to recognize as star ration and
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disease in, in the, to the directed that an entire civilian population. we know that these are always deliberately causing a humanitarian catastrophe. and that is part of it strategy. and instead of of laying out clear red lines upfront united states and frankly, all of western europe, primarily, most of western europe have also, as we, as in this, in this catastrophe, no one spoke out. just say it is not acceptable to use food and water and medicine and as a weapon of war. and so do united states bears um the e norris' responsibility and is frankly finding it very difficult having offered no red lines and a, and a bright green light at the united states has now it's kind of painted itself into
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a corner where they can't rain in the uh, the, the, the, the military machine, uh the, uh, the death and destruction of that is being inflicted on does that, how did you mentioned starvation? it's just today, just a few hours ago, a human rights watch published a report called starvation as a weapon of war. starvation used as a weapon of war and gaza is the exact title of the report, a quote from it, human rights watch rights. the is really government is using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare in the occupied gaza strip, which is a war crime is really forces are deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food and fuel. apparently raising agricultural areas, depriving the civilian population of objects indispensible to their survival and xena xena shortly. hutchison, i, i want to bring into this conversation. so the question that i was asking robert at
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the top of the show is how much the u. s. can be blamed for it, i understand robin's point that, you know, he doesn't see value in assigning blame, but that so many of our viewers are asking this very same question. if you have one party to the conflict that is not directly involved, but that is allowing the other to carry out the war and the result of the war is starvation and a humanitarian crisis. how much do you blame that supporting party? and that's, you know, that's the central question that we're asking today. i mean, i think it's there, i mean, complicity is simplistic. even the u. s. has been directly involved in this genocide since it's since the very beginning with generals on the ground with something weapons and bombs and, and financial aid for some diplomatic cover and supports continuously. we also can't forget that we talked about guys uh uh, and the gaza strip right now in terms of genocide. but before this genocide started because it wasn't a really precarious position. there was put in security. they didn't have any water
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to drink. there was no segmentation, you know, of the infrastructure present. so before this genocide started because it wasn't a precarious position and now it's beyond comprehension, to be quite honest. and the u. s. has known about this has been complicit and directly involved in this genocide from the one and enable that to continue with assignments as well as a financial and diplomatic support. but i also want to emphasize, but in order for them to content for us to continue this support for israel, they need to have local support for g, for the genocide. so for decades, and it's sort of encapsulated in, in, in the gaza strip right now. but for decades the united states has given cover for israel to do whatever israel wants to do, financial diplomatic, federally with resolutions and bills which we've seen. now since the start of the, of the genocide in the goes to start a record number of bills have, have gone through the, the, in federally through congress,
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conflicting anti semitism with the criticism of israel, etc. and there's also u. s. organizations back in berlin, funding and legal supplements. i mean, we can go on about this, there's a fact involvement to say the, so i mean the involvement of, of, of the united states in the genocide on gaza. but also in the ethnic cleansing of the stuff there colonialism, the tungsten had been experiencing, is direct and long term. just a few more data points to submit to all of you that are taken from this human rights watch report on storage ation uses a weapon of war and gaza on november 15th, the last operational wheat mill in the gaza strip was bombed by israel november 28th, we had a report that more than a 3rd of agricultural land in northern, in the northern gaza strip, had been damaged or destroyed. this comes from the palestine fluid security sector . the world food program says the serious risk of starvation in gaza on december 6th. the only water,
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the foundation plant in northern gaza was stopped being functional and on and on and on and goes and you know, the broad picture that this page is, it becomes very difficult at this stage. and that's a massive understatement. to eat, to drink and to do all those things that just on a very, very basic level, keep people alive from it. i'll come back to you with this idea of values. one of the things, one of the pillars of america's power in the world is that it claims to uphold values and to be a more ethical power. then other countries, right? then some of its rivals, when the us ties itself to something like this, where people just can't eat enough. and there's a very simple answer by the way. this is very simple solution to this, allow in more humanitarian aid, enough a so that people can eat and drink at a bare minimum when the us ties itself to something like this. what does it do to its power around the world? this is one of the biggest concerns i think got an added stage has already said it
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ministration should have in terms of overall americans staying in the world. at the moment, the us reputation for karen gave play about some monetary issues has been shredded by what a natural in yahoo and is government and israel in general are doing the united states is complicit as a work or not and continue with up to united states of the united states could demand instantly a humanitarian supplies, and the united states could instantly tell mister netanyahu that door patch to stop . the president, united states could tell mr. nash and you know that that is what has to happen. and i don't think even and after you know, could afford to ignore web dia and how did stage wants to do. but we, the americans are paying a very heavy price for what has been done and as war. and it's going to be
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difficult or has to go back anywhere else in the world and talk about how other countries behave, resurrection, burma, or in china, or in the central african republic. the united states no longer at the moment, has any credibility, as your monetary country. following up on where you just said, why isn't the us president picking up his phone, giving the is really prime minister a call and saying, now this has to change, and we're going to have to allow in more a water and other basic necessities into the gaza. strip as well as such as that is to stop the bombing of bye to which, which makes it worse. you can have all the matter to area a new one, but if it continues to slaughter people, uh, that's not gonna help the is i did people. oh, why is the president doing it one because he has a lifelong attachment to particular and his generation to is
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a security and prosperity and future of the state of, of israel. but also he has political calculations. we're now while we're delivered much before the next presidential election, he has to think about a major part of his constituency. so in some ways, and this is what, as an american, within our politics troubles me very deeply i pay or is that the president is looking to, is political base. let's call them for one. it is called the israel lobby and not wanting to offend a lobby, coming out as saying, i'm sorry for the go to the united states and yes, the long term good of israel, as well as the palestinians this most stop now. and frankly, if the president made that clear to mr. hatch anyhow, who, hey, would be taking out a huge risk for his country if he did not comply holidays in the,
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in saying that i wanna hear you on, on, on this issue of us politics as well. and, and re election chances, if you take a stronger approach to israel. but how did you 1st on this? do you suppose subscribed to this notion that you do not get re elected as us president specifically, the binding would not get re elected as us president if at this juncture he were to be harder on israel. i mean, that's been the conventional waves down for us, for many, many years of the, the irony is that today the political landscape is quite different and, and it looks like the reverse may, may even be true that been, this might be, you know, the, the, the the ministrations handling of this issue has been criticized and, and is opposed by large segments of the american population of well beyond the air . but most in communities. uh more progressive um but, but particularly is
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a base young people, people of color, certainly the air but most of the communities and in the united states are quite angry at his, at his apparent indifference to palestinian suffering and, and his entire handling of this war. so we've seen a polls show that he's actually lost considerable support as a result of this. and so this might actually be the 1st time a, an american president loses an election because of their support for israel as opposed to the opposite of and uh, but uh, you know, we, i'm not entirely convinced that that the president is acting purely, or even primarily with regard to domestic politics, i think he is a true believer. i think he is passionate about his support for israel. and he is,
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it is partly generational, but it's also uniquely a jo by other presidents who also been quite a unshakable in their support for israel. have at least been able to see the bigger picture from a human standpoint, from a strategic standpoint of the uh, the, the person that adult bite and seems to be completely blinded even to the realities of how this is going to harm us interest. as well as is really security going forward? mean there's no, there's no, it's impossible to imagine that in israel inflicting this level of human and material destruction on gaza is somehow going to bring security or stability to anyone. i didn't get anyone with some basic common sense, never mind empathy can, can understand that. and so we're talking about a, a serious blind. is it
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a serious kind of emotional attachment that has blinded him even to the damage he's doing to american interests? and, and that is, i think, very, very much a part of the person of joe biting rather than simply a political or geo political set of calculations. okay, that's really interesting. i want to come back to a part of this, but 1st zayna i had you waiting in the wings there about this, this u. s. domestic politics question. you tweeted not that long ago election season is about to go in overdrive and palestinians will pay the price of 2 failed leadership . so you do seem to believe that this is going to be dictated how the us behaves on this issue is going to be dictated, at least in part, by us, domestic political considerations. how do you think that shapes what we're going to see? and so i mean, just to go back a little bit while many supported by them begrudgingly under false pretense and with the intimidation of the vote for lesser of 2 evils. in 2020, if you will,
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there is no longer a viable option for many and there simply is no worse than genocide. you know. so for decades becomes to mean american air americans, most of the american vote has been taken for granted, particularly by the democratic party and the other party that both intrusion diversity, human rights umbrella. i'm using a system of tokenize ation, intimidation, mostly political, decorative lip service. we've, we've heard the talk many times. we are starting to see people accuse unable to task a protest vote as a vote against democracy like a protest against a bite. and if people don't vote or um, so accusations level against those demanding an end to genocide. but 2 months later, remain on it. and i want to make it very clear that the intimidation tactics and blame that have been used for decades. this is not reason for decades on disenfranchised voters. that if we don't vote for by the or the democratic party,
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it's a vote against democracy is not just the antithesis of democracy. but it also strategically absolves the burden administration in the space and the democratic party from accountability on the direct involvement as we were discussing it earlier in genocide and distract again from the same leadership of the political lead. um, i mean imagine, imagine that the, someone americans and every americans, those americans and allies being chastised for refusing to support the coming of your own family members or imagine being seen for refusing to be complicit in their re sure of your own people. imagine being blamed for the failure of democracy, certainly for participating in it. if our votes are challenging a system that has historically been reliant on marginalizing manipulating bullying and targeting minorities as an undemocratic. then again, this isn't the democracy. many in leadership have long perfected dyslexia in blame, as we know in projecting their own political shortcomings on those who are less capable and or less equipped, less equipped to defend or protect themselves. and this is also by designed so um,
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a potential binding harris last can only be blamed on by the, in harris and their administration and the democratic party. and the other claim is disingenuous to be quite frank and sorry to take up too much time. but let me be very clear here. i'm not saying not to vote or don't vote. in fact, i hope that has been an american every american, most americans and allies in our community, registered family and friends to vote, go out and educate people and what it means to vote and what your voice means and merger. let's say that here's the, here's the thing i'm sorry to interrupt and jump in. but here's the thing about the, about about when you go to the opposing station, you know, on, on, when it's, when it's election day in the us presidential election. so the less than it's about 11 months away now, just under 11 months away is that voters will likely at this stage, it's not a guarantee but likely have the choice between vitamin trump. so anybody who wants to punish bite and on account of the way he handled this war would potentially be
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voting for trump. yeah, and i'm not sure if your moral compass says i wanted more support for palestinians and therefore i'm not voting for biting. i'm not sure that same moral compass then leads you to a vote for trump. yes, but nobody. first of all, it's, this is what democracy is. when you have a 2 part to system, you have to vote for one or the other. and then you say they should vote for trump that a saying that people who support the policy and cause should the trump in november of 2024. absolutely not. i'm actually not advocating for a vote for trump or the republicans at all. in fact, i disagree with almost all of their policies and what i am saying is showing up to vote and writing a name or simply booking for don. but it's kind of, it's based on the policy. it's a comfortability for genocide and for 75 years. 75 plus years of adult to infinity, but the us at the forwarded israel at the expense of the pedestal, young people and the morality of our just cause. so accountability is uncomfortable,
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but it's pills in the face of genocide, an ethnic cleansing of but that's happening right now in palestine. the democratic party, what are those needs to have some serious soul searching after this? many already felt that they don't belong in the party, but we're, we're merely tokenize and, and being part of the party because they don't have anywhere else to go. now it's time to act on it. and this is not because the, the air for the most of the communities either if i may. so robert, we have about 3 minutes left a little under 3 minutes in the show. at this point. there's a question we asked at the very top of the show and i recognize it's a little bit more aspirational, but we said what can be done to stop this humanitarian catastrophe? you've been a practitioner right of diplomacy at the highest level. you were nato and bassett. or what would be your answer to that question as well to present, and that is change age to tell the problem has to have the best past desktop and be willing to back it up with each immediately stopping the supply. whether or not so far. that's the whole top stopping, right?
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you cannot make support. i do what president eisenhower did in 1956 and just said we'd love this really lovely relationship. but if you don't stop this now, they're going to be very serious consequences for you. and he's got to show it and he's got to make it happen instead of sending people out there as he did this last week. as going to this, we could say, well, we're really for you, please pretty please don't be so based like to the palestinians. and that is not always stupid, it's crass and it tomorrow. all right, that's all the time we have it today, but thank you so much to everybody for coming. i want to thank our guests, robert hunter, how they are getting these a natural we hutchison and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. that's alpha 0. com, of course. and for further discussion, good. our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x or handle there is at a j inside story from me several then. yeah. and the whole team here in dough life
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