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hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting you navigate on the united states is backing of israel's were on gaza, has been crystal clear on the military front, supplying huge quantities of weapons and money, and diplomatically washington's also been at the forefront in driving israel's cause. it after vito in previous un security council resolutions for a cease fire, or us extension as allowed a motion to pass a weaker version than the original draft. it agrees on age, but not a cease fire. and it's taken days of political and back from wrangling to get it through. as more palestinians are killed in gaza, forced from the 20000 who are dead lying and makes of graves or under the rubble. the vote is meaningless. and whether it will have any impact for those who have survived, israel's merciless attacks will only be known in the coming days. so what does this vote mean for the palestinians? and also for the united nations?

just how far is the bite and administration prepared to go to keep going and supporting israel will be asking or guess these other questions in a few moments. first, this report from i'm consumed sharif on what happens at the un security council. as palestinians were being killed in continues as strikes and prolonged attacks across casa in new york, united nations security council pulse to watered down the resolution to increase desperately needed a to the strip. a sense of the vote was the late 3 times before it paused without being vetoed as the united states and russia abstained. and 13 of the 15 member council voted in favor of the palestinian investor to the un, criticize the vote. and the security council. it took this concept $75.00 days to finally i thought of the succession of hostilities

to opt out of the session of possibilities for the days of the general assembly. first, the fair to that objective and tens of thousands of palestinians can lead to the original draft called for an origin cessation of hostilities between israel and homos. but the us a posted and also insisted on removing the clause giving the you an exclusive control of humanitarian deliveries. the funding vote came of to the united states veto the russian amendment with the strong avoiding restore the public. earlier i said the vote would be a moment of truth and that's what happened. the us once again exposed their true face in front of the world, blocking an even extremely weak call for a cessation of hostilities in gaza. the us investor to the un rejected critics who said, there's a disconnect between the majority of the un member states,

the want to cease file of the united states that's blocked one. there is no disconnect here. we are all working to address the humanitarian needs on the ground and we're working to address those needs immediately. that's what this resolution is about. the resolution comes as the humans vote for program is wanting a quote to of households and goss this roughly 500000 people. a starting o u n by propose wants the extent of hunger and the strip is worse than that seen in neil simon's enough calling us on. i'm human in recent years. un secretary general antonia good to have this is skeptical of the resolution without a ceasefire. the real problem is that the, what use ratio is conducting these will fantasies is creating massive ops that goes to the distribution of humanitarian. they've even side, gaza to any settings

a little bit. ation in gaza, required security software can working safety, logistical capacity, and the resumption of commercial activity. these 4 elements do not exist. the volt came as, as well expanded its ground defensive will bring more people to evacuate from areas it had only a ducats safe. in the weeks ahead, the challenge will be implemented as palestinians, and you mounting slaughter and humanitarian crises because some charities for inside story. so the united states has a long history of using it's vito power to back israel at the united nations. it's 1st the retail on palestine at the un security council was in 1972. it's block $35.00 un resolutions critical of israel in more than 50 years to out of those retailers have been during israel's ongoing war on dogs,

on us has vetoed resolutions on israel $47.00 times in all, including over israel's invasion of the south of lebanon as well as the occupation of syria's goal on heights the will not bring in our guest joining us of scott lucas from birmingham in the u. k. he's a professor, a few as an international relations that university call is dublin. and also the founder and editor of the online news site e. a world view from moscow is dimitri babich, who is a political analyst at the, in on site internet media project on farm is lot about money hot and low d, a former focused on permanent representative and dom bassett, or to the united nations. thank you all for joining us on monday. how come to you 1st? if we look at the slightest resolution, it opposes a demand for the suspension of hostilities, but calls for the creation of conditions to allow us sustainable ceasefire. how

does that work? well, i mean, i think the question to be asked is a 10 weeks into a broker wall with a wood 20000 civilian palestinians. dead. is this all of the security code? so could do. i think it's a failure of its duty and its responsibility because after or this is the word body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. so this resolution is so watered down. it doesn't even mean if the electron want to cease fire. i mean the core, any point you raised, and we're definitely going to be talking about that in a moment. but 1st i'd just like to 0 in on some of the language that was used. so when the resolution calls for urgent steps to establish conditions for a sustainable ceasefire, i mean how open to interpretation is this. in your opinion, you were a, a permanent representative to the united nations. because if you look at israel, it believes those steps would involve the complete destruction of hamas,

for example. so, so the language use, why would you describe it? and i think it's meaningless. it means absolutely nothing. it will do nothing to change the situation on the ground because we know that several days of negotiations with the us trip them to use the veto unless it got the language that it wanted. and then the end of didn't get the language it wanted. because the language originally was that there should be a cessation of hostilities and then the word was changed to suspension of facilities. and then we ended up with that being dropped in only the core for creating the conditions. whatever that means, it's up to anybody to interpret that, right? frankly, i think us delay a and display of duplicity. lead to an outcome that is going to change absolutely nothing. what people continue to be killed and devastation continues. you know that you insect the general, as your report itself indicated,

has expressed his own disappointment and skepticism and basically said, this is no one to hear anything unless there is a cease fire. how can you get humanity, aid and assistance in? it's all, but let's ran dmitri because we had reaction from the russian and basset are saying that the us had render this resolution to 1st is that then how we explain the russian extension to this votes or no, i think the russians united states epstein for absolutely different reasons you know that the rocks and representative saw the russian side thinks that the russian doesn't go far enough in enforcing the israel to stop bombardment and they will light the states once. do what the down the resolution. uh, let me remind you that for many years they will neither state street decides through neither nations and the states even justified its actions by boston. and

they would native nations such as the invasion of iraq, such as the vision of yugoslavia. they explained to the by the u. n. being processed by the u. m. by seeing a what a donor is a nuisance. well, what can be more, what a down then there is a solution for that and for the creation of conditions for what does it say uh for the sustainable ceasefire to allow for a sustainable people the language that it's time to store shooting a. exactly a, this is a very, very, or what the don't the language a people are dying and you know, uh, the shooting should be stopped immediately. so that you, when you designated would come the secretary general do. and i, the nation was, has been very old with about it and still have these uh, empty words and we have the nation. so we have the space 1st boy, king. the security can also is a notion, then we've heard of the general assembly where of the united states votes against

our is that it wasn't supported by just a handful or what's frank since you know. okay, so between let me just ask you this, let me just ask you the because the we also heard that we got reaction from the is read from israel's permanent representative who called the resolutions focused on age mechanisms, unnecessary and disconnected from reality. but we also know that that resolution has changed over the past few days until delegates reached the text that they did on friday. what those changes have been done, not maybe not so much in conjunction with the is release but, but how much pressure would the is really has been putting on the americans, for example, to water down the text. and uh, i think uh, its rate is do not need to pressure the americans, americans were more than willing to what a dollar they $300.00 ocean. there are 2 main points. how should the bombardment be

stopped immediately? and who controls the process all the distribute dispute between 8. israel wants to control that process or visit. this is not acceptable. uh full, but the studio sound for many countries. so that's one to provide aid. so these are tools stumbling blocks, and the space keeps using them in order to book any progress on these resolutions, right? but we also know on that last point you made that the us also insisted on removing the clause that gives the un exclusive control a few monetary and delivery. so we understand that israel yes, still is going to the scott lucas over to you must, the world has made us get out of upstanding from this resolution after a number of days going back and forth. and then this resolution is put out. and as we're hearing from our panelist, it's almost meaningless. what does the us get out of this? to my 1st call, it's important to note, it's not just the us,

it's playing politics here. uh, we should note that the current one is using this as a process to try to get off the call over its repeated vito's when it enabled me to join us obviously in the mass killing of hundreds of thousands of people in syria. and of course, it's personalized industry council over the christmas holidays, ukraine. but in this case of the united states, what you have and you've described this. there are 3 key points here. first of. busy removing any reference to a suspension of hostilities model on, assessed ational cost of what you think it weighs. removing the phrase given to us control over aid, which effectively gives me as early as a veto over those supplies. and thirdly, removing any reference to the violations of international humanitarian law by all sides. what the united states is continuing to do is to try to sort of maintain this idea that it has leverage with the use right ways that somehow it can call on

need is right at least to limit the operations that are killing civilians. i think quite frankly, that ship has site. the us does not have a bridge with the israelis unless it was to restrict military aid. but in fact, of course, the united states has increased military too as well since october 7th, including more than $15000.00 bonds, 110000 of which are on guided dunbar. and the broader answer to this is, is that the united states, since the 1967 war has treated israel as one of the 3 strategic allies in the mid least one of those 3 allies, the wrong, is gone. saudi arabia is not an assured ally at this point. and so us institutions are still valid in with the israelis sat even behind closed doors. as i try to tell the israelis please stop, please limit this, you know, so hang on

a 2nd. god, actually you, when you're trying to send a message, then to uh, to the world in fact, but it's still strong in the middle east. what seems to be the us is actually playing both sides. your are trying to play both sides here. now you're seeing the side here where you've got to buy new ministration, or those officials in the, by the ministration, who probably will not criticize israel over its military operations. the other side of this past due, for example, vice president counselor here us who has publicly paul for the protection of civilians. the problem here is, is that of both sides message by the, by the administration. means almost nothing much i say best or lower that you mentioned the fact that this alternate un resolution means nothing until you have a farm line from abide. administration enough is enough, backed up by action, which means the restriction of military age. these right? always tell him that he's going to use that wiggle room, you know, whatever is being told that by behind closed closed doors by asked the blanket for

example, publicly, they'll continue to expand this offensive as we've seen in the last 48 out, monday. how this was a new way, a large resolution from the get go in which the us then managed to water down. why with the u. a. e allowed us i think that you a was desperate to get any resolution in before it's dumb and did all the security council. but i think in doing that, it exposed itself to the kind of the negotiations in which the united states basically got its way. uh, and it got its way a to is ryan's benefit, as you said earlier, is right and retains up it's control over the delivery of it. and of course there's no sci fi. so i think, you know, we have to look at the big picture. the big picture is that the world is standing on one side as expressed in 2 general assembly resolutions global opinion. and then we have the united states of israel standing on one side. and yet,

the security council is, is unable to act in any meaningful way to stop the war. because, so i agree with dimitry, unless i anticipate as an end to the black chip shit. unless it, it into the war. it is meaningless to talk about getting humanity in the system saying, i mean, you're killing people, and then you're saying we'd like to have for whoever surviving. so, uh, dmitri, um, how, how will the security council respond if israel doesn't comply with this, as well? uh, it is difficult to predict what will happen next uh, but uh, i see a very dangerous tendency. um, but i think lucas, uh uh, no. did it very well. uh, the western side is trying to, i would go would expand the base over the coals like they keep mentioned in a rush for your premium conflict. and they keep comparing and russia to come us,

which is up. so to my mind. but they keep doing that, you know, the united states president is doing it. so we're all foreign ministers in the you are doing that. so i think we should all concentrate now on the season for speeded this, this is the most important thing. if this security also can concentrate on deb, i'm sure there can be and i would come uh, but uh, i don't think anyone can tell you what will happen in the next 7 or 8 days because it's so unpredictable that the policy is over. the western congress kind of become unpredictable, they keep finding elements for themselves. and also of course the world is watching where the country is without epstein to avoid that. they gaze the general assembly or is a notion on the seizing for students in, in, in gaza in palestine. you know, ukraine abstained the okay. abstained for us allies as the natal members,

they were the congress that abstained. right, so scott, i mean it just sounds like i'm struggling to to find the points of such resolutions. then am i correct in saying that it and, and how far away is the council from actually making a real difference on the ground when it comes to the world? gaza there is a point, but assistant ball it in terms of the prior to the military, the economic 3 else. yes, and we know this for decades is that the security council is held hostage to the 5 powers who have veto over it. so the security council was held hostage and could not do anything for the mass, killing him, serial over fly report using version of ukraine because of the russian veto. here on the security council is being held hostage because of the american beach. so

that's what i do think it is important that you have a vast majority of the security council in this case, 13 or 15 members yesterday, but the only rush on the also standing who have signal the fact that they want something to be done. i think it's important that the general assembly by an overwhelming march, a 153 of a 193 stage divisions pole in for that cease fire. it does highlight the isolation of the x ray, which it does highlight the if the is railing workshop, it cannot quote, destroy, i'm not sure as as phone for administer, so we risk diplomatic defeat. so yes, this process is not satisfied. this process will not help out jobs and civilians. so to tell you that what is the us time table when it comes to this for? because what we've heard from the is really side is that they need a few months. the americans have reported and said you have

a few weeks and now we have this resolution that doesn't call for a ceasefire. and i go back to the point of it earlier that american officials are totally as really behind closed doors. they've leaked it to the media that they wanted these operations wrapped up by december 31st. i think it's evident that barring a very quick is really cool victory in southern gaza. these operations will not wrap up. so just as i saw that the security council was held hostage by the us of russia. the americans were held hostage by the israeli war cabinet on last. and i repeat, unless the americans take a meaningful step, which is either to support a resolution, which has been fortunate powers to bring aid into casa, or on loss. the americans restricted military aid to the israelis, if they do not those the israeli war cabinet, they can proceed knowing they're not going to suffer a punishment,

no matter how many civilians, perhaps the most spiders died of jobs. so for weeks or even months, monday, how does this resolution have enforcement powers? how can it actually be in force? because, i mean, we've spoken also to a lot of humanitarian groups here on alda 0 since that resolution was passed to sense this is likely to make no difference to them. you know, gets very weak. i mean, if you listen to what many heads of a non governmental organizations are saying you meditated and organizations are saying, they're not saying the same thing, which is it's going to make precious little difference on the ground. and i think what it does is these thoughts of actions, what they do is they undermine the legitimacy of the security council. and that, and done brings into question the very credibility of the united nations. the united nations has been seen as, you know, losing any relevance in the crisis that's going on for over 10 weeks. and with the situation gets more and more brave as the days go by. so i think this kind of

resolution is of no help to anybody, but clearly it's a response to growing pressure. there is pressure exerted by the 2 g resolutions, which clearly bored for something to be done and that something was to cease fire. but that didn't happen. so in inventory, you know, instead of that, it's almost like substituting what really needed to be done with something. but we just so weak. and as i said before, so meaningless. but in a way, responding to pressure also from demonstrations that have taken place and not continue to take place across the word of public demonstrations, calling for an action to stop the genocide to stop the bludgeon. so, you know, these kinds of resolutions been used really, frankly, in my opinion of a smoke screen because nothing really changes. right. demitria, what does this mean for the secretary general himself?

if anything at all, does it empower him to speak out more because we saw him a few weeks ago invoke article 99, which calls for us the station of hostilities. and at the time he said that he hoped that his move would put more pressure on the council. do you think it has pressure of the counsel in any way at all? what the secretary general do next to unfortunately is a ball uh over the separately general uh over the united nations has been decreasing. even the last uh, i would say at least 20 years since the invasion of iraq. uh we saw that the security calling so uh, you know, uh the vito uh, rule uh, which caught the previous sized. uh, unfortunately, i don't think it is going to be removed because it saved the world from a nuclear war several times of to 1945. you know, the vito ball were given to the new flip boss. so i don't think you may need the

will say will to buy the system that somehow protect the best for so many years. but the bottom all the uh, general surgery has been decreasing. uh we, we saw how i think you are and has been unable to prevent a huge invasion such as the invasion of iraq. so i chose to the cover and cover the invasion of syria by the congress that were not in light of the by any one north, by the syrian government, not by the united nations. so i don't expect the donio would there be a show to be very effective if i, i have a friend say i would not do. i have to be in his shoes right now. he has to be on board at the store, but the repression of russian speaking population of your brain for 8 years. i mean for 8 years before i wouldn't start that list. so, but with me to try the ration don't. yeah, it's going to move on square, bombarded by the ukranian troops and the united nations did nothing. scott, go ahead short. i. so i've just come back to, you know, the phone,

not too much to stick with facts rather than putting out propaganda here. and the fundamental fact here it is, is that i think, as i've asked her about, it is pointed out that on that as far as this unfortunately is especially pointed out that as long as you have the veto power, which is placed in there by the security council, uh it is going to be a body which is really not going to entropy into effect in a number of cases. and this goes all the way back to the 1950s. um, you know, the last time the un security council really acted effectively and it issue regarding one of the great powers was when it decided to intervene in the korean war. and that's because the soviet union board tried the security council on the states that they'll never to my should. yeah. so again, when it comes to the case of the rock, as dimitry pointed out in 2003. yes, the security council ultimately was powerless to present a disastrous invasion when it comes to china were pressing its own population. the

security council was powerless because it'll be a chinese data. and when the kremlin creates the propaganda lines to say, oh, it's okay for the establishing to kill syrians civilians because supposedly solve a fault of the western powers. they can paralyze the strange where the russians, when they pretty much is age, you print the age of crime, doesn't defend you create in phase you crank, then that gets like, oh, it's the west for power just the night towards their fault. we're going to cast our veto on the security council and then proceed to justify their own waterfront switch. and so if you want to deal with, you fundamentally have to deal with that question a veto power. right? 5 couch do not hold the, the real hostage. and that means giving more power to the general assembly or having an expanded security council. we're the fetal power does not through us. yeah, we're of course we know resolutions there are and facts non binds inc,

but we'll have to leave it there that no, thank you so much for joining us. got lucas. dimitri babich, i'm a high low. do we appreciate your time? thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website . i'll just the result. com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page dots, facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. from the conversation on x r handle is a inside story from myself. and the whole team here in delphi, thanks for watching and by from the this is the view that no sane has been looking out for the past 20 years to these really separation barrier cuts. her family's landing upon the village. in august they handed several families and you confiscation orders to expand the wall. the walls length is more than double that of the 1967 borders for palestinians. the

wall is an extension of israel system of control, part of a wider network of roads. supplements on check points built to give us really the offer hon while making their lights on bearable by the day as the war ukraine rages on. some young the russians are refusing to take up on one on one east, meets those fleeting to neighboring cousins on just what constitutes exempt. so we can talk to a see, i want you to start with just the fact runners to what happened as independent. we won't be, we want the education i want to. we don't have lead them in different countries and policy. i'm going to get 50 percent representation and accountability and benefits. no one doesn't service the claimant reports. would

that i should just trust too much, often as the cool that used to produce outstanding gymnast them out as the integrity in the pursuit of the unrelenting violence. more than 200 palestinians are killed in israel's latest strikes on gauze. the, the, the, about this and this is audra 0 life from don't have also coming up is really ministry says at least 14 of its soldiers have been killed in bottles. and the gaza strip over the weekend were in bethlehem where the watering cause a means christmas celebrations looking very different. they see.