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hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting you navigate the celebrations among diplomats on the officials after the united nations security council on friday. finally passed a motion to allow more aid into gaza, but that mood wasn't shared and the stripped israel's attacks have continued raining down. western supply bonds on an area where many if it's 2300000 people don't have the food or water, they need to survive. the war pursued by israel's far right government has killed more than 20000 palestinians and just over 2 months, more than 50 thousands have been made or injured. and nearly all guys as population has been forced to move. so what does the un resolution for more a mean in reality, and what is the reality of those in gaza today? both it's people and those trying to help them. we'll be asking our guests this

more in a few moments. the 1st, this reports from him consume sharif tough with this trap to your organization. no means via precision won't be enough to feed for people to and up here in russell, the city in southern bell. so tens of thousands of displaced palestinians depend on food handouts. the wait for us to get a single me to los today was in either of those honestly, people situation is very, very difficult. we are heading towards a very severe farm on may god protect us. so the people do not die of hunger but not every one is lucky. in the city housing, most of gauze as 1900000 display speed, food, water, and shanta. aha to come by is wells continues as strikes and this expanding ground operations have isolated the strip and stuff. its businesses. stores have no stocks and people have died of work,

no money to buy basic goods. they depend on humanitarian aid, but only a trickle is getting in. we stand in a long queue for about 2 hours or an hour, and sometimes we don't get any foods. and sometimes we do the track. he says it's feeding about $10000.00 people each day. what stokes of running out about then we suffer from food shortages. there is no food. lentils are out of stock as well as peas, beans and bulger, wheat, all the foods have brought out at the market. people need food, water medicine, but none is available. everything is cut off, perhaps today is the last day we can provide food for the people. you and agencies are wanting to for the risk of widespread, simon. more than half a 1000000 palestinians, a quarter of costs as preparation, face would expose classify as catastrophic levels of hunger. that do both.

we are fed up. this is not a life us west such a will has never happened before. now there's really hung go. my children are dying of hunger age coming from roughly i devoted with egypt is subject to is really inspection. and other crossing point with is what has just been approved. whatever can into gaza is restricted by his friends, but be held up by board. a checks is rarely bombardment has destroyed much of its infrastructure, making the delivery of fade a logistical nightmare. the un secretary general blaine's as well as relentless bowman for preventing humanitarian aid from entering that the seas for. the real problem is that the, what use ratio is conducting these will fantasies is creating massive ops that goes to the distribution of humanitarian. they've eaten side garza, i urge this value of flooding these to least the restrictions on commercial

activity immediately in casa people in hospitals with some of the most desperate scenes, most a barrier operating with no fuel power medicine. and even doctors as this while continues its attacks and medical specialties across the testing extensions, are you in security council resolution post on friday is meant to scale up the delta v, a fade relief for diplomats and officials and new york, the coming weeks lieutenant. but it brings any to spike for palestinians, and the consumption, these fun side story. okay, that's all i bring in our guest. joining us from con eunice in gaza is the residents month sort of sherman? from her mind we have a smart beta. i'm who's the regional media and communications advisor at the norwegian refugee council. joining us from vienna is lex attacking berg, who is a senior advisor with the arrow brenda's fonts for democracy and development. and

he was also the former chief of ethics. that's wonderful. thank you for joining us . thanks for your time. months fluid. from garza since the resolution which calls on parties to the conflict to allow and facilitate the flow humanitarian a 2 guys out through land, sea and air roots. tell us what you're seeing on the ground. has there been a scale up of humanitarian 8? hello everyone, and thank you for having me. i think it's too early to tell. let's, let's observe what happens here inside the slip over the next 3 to 4 days. and see what kind of um and fox about this, what you should have on the grounds here. um caught on see if the issue is that there is a lack of security that i could safety in all of us that i am calling to see here in loss of hospice. and i've been here for the last 70 days, together with 30000 other strategies in one maybe can complex. and until now i

have only seen come to lots of hospitals, which is the biggest operating hospitality here in. but i just put it after the destruction of a she fell out on the 28th trucks and once you talk, that's it. so i think that we need to much, much more when it comes to go to by the age and provide you the pulse that goes on to supplies in order to ensure that the lives of 2300000. so this means that it is continues to be so stable months. so i hear what you're saying about observing over the next few days. the impact that that resolution may or may not have. but one of the points mentioned that it was the opening of cut them will sign and that border crossing that is crucial. are you hearing at all whether that border crossing has been opened? i haven't seen any of any is. busy nation or that specially it's might have been however, once we did get about was 2 days ago, the idea of, uh,

it's with an s like the 3 of the people in both part of the beep and was a bunch of page about i caught them, i was sad and tim on the field or for the uh i, i honestly don't have any information on best buy. okay. we will be following up on that in the next few days, but just one more would you mind. so before i bring in my other guests, look the is really ambassador to the un. i said that this resolution is unnecessary and it's disconnected from reality. and according to him, israel is already allowing a deliveries at the required scale. now clearly what you're saying is, that's not what's happening in gaza, but tell us how much aids is actually entering on a daily basis. what do you know about this? so we know that the less than $5000.00 of instead of been to us. but if, if this thoughtful response next, well you are talking about over the last 75 days. um, you know, the less than,

less than the 17th. so actually the more money it allows us to do a non walk times gets at least $500.00 the trucks of imports inside. however, this is not when uh over 80 percent of what the nation is, this these uh thousands injects and uh, and many in need of the edge and medical supplies. and uh, and see what supplies for different you would have an existing quote to you still on here. um, i think it's more of a ppo stands on the behalf of the is there any is what's happened saturday out on the border? even the cox that came in a lot of them after being satisfied is that it is what emptied me to seek towards the product. so supplies, many of the supplies that we received after we took it by this really is had expired schools, products. many of them had things we don't need my mouse logs admitted for our demo . okay, months, so thank you for the time being lex talking burke,

thanks for your patience. let me bring you in here. look at speaking of for the fast, the resolution that was passed that the security council also states. it says rather that states that are not party to the conflicts are welcome to permit free passage of humanitarian relief. now this particularly refers to egypt and on the border crossing from your experience. how does that work on the fast side? does everything have to be coordinated with the is released the absolute k d a. there was quite a discussion in the lead up to the latest resolution about handling over control over the passing of a getting through guys out from the egyptian is really megan is in to the un which to un, sort of directly having the, the ability and responsibility to coordinate the,

the deacon park cation all for awful gender grass. i think that was one of the reasons why the wind or passing of the resolution was delayed so many times and effectively under the, under the resolution of the mechanism or why by israel maintains full control over one gets into guys and it was pace is a is kept on change from your experience, lex, and do you think that is real well will comply with parts of the resolution this whole resolution? what do you think? i mean, the new resolution is a, is a reflection alpha often mode of the international community. and so it's one of the factors that, that i believe is around the way, a long ways, so way as pressure from the, from, from the west. uh so far we have noticed where were 70, where,

where 11 weeks into the war we have an abundance of pre my father, she evidence of genocide and ethnic cleansing from guys, i'm increasing the whole system to west thing so far. do sashon all night, or we strange israel and or and don't government is completed and enabling it to continue is installed on the, on the people in guides or so things don't know from that perspective. okay. let's the from the norwegian refuge account. so uh, after my beta on, let's bring you in, look at, even if more a does go in, i mean, unless those trucks are not a, if can actually move about 1st of all, freely and then safely then, and we understand from does the, that's not possible right now, so, so what is the point of this resolution? um bits of stuff in the right direction, however small uh, new,

uh it doesn't bring us any closer to a cx 5, which is what we all want to see alternately. and the ice per unit, see what you say. i have 50 police and gaza. they have, it won't be pushing to the small pockets and rough. huh. and we all, because operating on the, probably some of the most impossible circumstances, even by this time lives are, the girls are called strict even by the sound of the conflict zones. we with the air in syria and yamma and iraq, even ga. so doing conflicts, pos complex, we were always able to move around the provide a, this time we are grounded this time we have colleagues who have experienced loss in the families. how do you expect workers to, to around when, you know, showing bombardment times are in your neighborhood and it's, we're asking the impossible, here's the thing. but just on a brief statement to, to, to be something a humans, they all actually as,

as we speak they are providing whatever they can help me is on that the possible world so that they can provide some protection for the full size. but you can't do that and, and, and you know, you know, the best zone, you know, and probably the largest on printout crate. so, and the was the, you know, is sort of has reduced concepts. yeah. i mean, you're asking the question that i was gonna ask you next, ask somebody, which is how do you actually have meaningful humanitarian assistance when the genocide continues and when the bombs continue to fall? yeah, and the answer is we hardly scratching the surface here to be frank with you. um, i mean, my team are now straightened its way and providing some items, you know, in storing times for their extensive families. that's the reality of it. you have to wake up in the morning and send for yourself. and to finally my, my colleague tells me that you know, that children, his children have for a full day was, was a kind of student was trying to or beans. um,

what else can we're asking the impossible here. i'm not saying anything short of the last thing ceasefire and i thing shelters, you know, complete listing of this thing. each 16 he has on top of about 70 or a g a i 2 days now because that sort of siege, nothing else can, can you know, kinda lead to a solution here on june. how i was perform the job months or the un secretary general has said that 4 out of 5 off the hungry is people anywhere in the world are now in gaza. i mean that is a shocking shocking such a stick. give us an idea. months food off. tell us what, what people have been telling you what, what you've been seeing on the ground when it comes to this issue of food and starvation, what amount of food aid is entering does are right now if any at all it. yeah, i think this is particularly true,

especially in the city and the north of husband split. that is hardly any news coming, but whenever we do it, we will, as we have news off the pin actually to going through starvation mode. i was actually sent a video of people try to make food out of the clamps uh from the on the ground from those slides. they don't have any games and utilize any reach. and that advice you would you change them on the ground to make any kind of food support themselves? yeah. so this one in particular to sort it has the city and the north, especially with the not all a talks and logistics on going to that off there. however, in the middle region, i mean jacelle's rely on voice mails which are different, the better. but like you said, every day it's, it's, it's, uh, it's like, uh, it's like a 12 to 14 hour mandates. you know, by the heads of the families, the father is the mother's, you know, they have to go on fence for that to try to find something to feed the children.

they have such a big but i do sometimes just check play store. uh they have to try to get some clean water from any of the physicians units. so what besides them? so it is difficult. there is definitely a manual attrition happening here. and again, we are not seeing that these things had your, this, the, a trucks coming in. maybe it's more than last time because it's close to the border . but nothing had units, however, hopefully with this right. but it was on using a gus melody's particular again because especially with flu season coming with the winter with the cold. you forget we to each one as soon as possible. lex comments on this issue of the real lack of food and people starving and gaza. and also the un has said that the entire population of guys that faces an imminent risk of famine indeed and, and in this respect to what

a school for the on to a full assessed ational positivity is a comprehensive ceasefire. is also uh beyond a 100 excess of international i'll offer you might that range of drives, most of international humanitarian workers and international journalist. i mean, one of the big differences was the previous warranty, is that at that time, the international you, when colleagues were able to stay in the north of the international julius, were there to monitor water situation and to where to report all are doing real time on own, you know, the human a, terry needs and the, and the state of the assault, you know, in the whole parts of the gods district. and this is today not, not possible and crucially needed. so this is also a call for, for more extra 15 minute terry, international humanitarian personality should go to their local colleagues. i lived

in god's or for decade and, and one important function or for having international stock there was, was providing, supporting protection to our, to our courageous tennessee, including the off months organizations like the like the ox from has warrant that starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians and gaza in an act of collective punishment. does the n r c share that assessment much? yes. and is realize the occupier of doing some national is responsible for the security and the food security of the people. it occupies as a course, as well as what pharmacies they, they do control areas. they do control gorges. so the, the crossing, the crossing uh, with, with the, with goes up, which is being the main point of entry for food over over these,

over these years. so there is another other month's rent which is the destruction of agriculture labs, of green houses. we have seen raising and, and rights reports the destruction of all means of life freely. i think there's probably we can think of a violation that hasn't been committed. half, of course, security of the people and the pseudo starvation has been used. of course, the destruction of destroying voice networks, for example, this again, against international humanitarian roles. you know, not has to be changing the entry of sewage to people who are increased risk if salvation. that's again, that's one more violation. of course, even businesses and shops and supermarkets that have been that, that have been had to and you know, the strawberry fields on the field started, you know, used to 5th street holidays and businesses on small businesses. there's, there's hardly, you know, any violation you can think of that, you know,

has not been, has not been committed hand. and, you know, when we talk about just a point to you about a truck stop. com and you guys, are we talking about 10200 families now these trucks are actual food or water. oh, you know, um, kinda kind of system is that people need some other material shelter, supposedly medication. uh, so when, when, when we have a 100 trucks coming in, i mean the get out can hardly know for, for a labor 100 need for a street corner for a show. so, and that's why we have the saying that these go is with the forcible transfer. if the people are presidents in gaza, all of this together constitutes a brain fart relation of international. so just on the point of my on you're saying that the origin refugee council says that starvation is being used as a weapon of war. having made that assessment and that declaration,

what kind of organizations like yours do about it? we don't want to speak how to be honest. i originally impressed a pressure allies of israel and the west internationally and the security council to 1st from orange to push from what do you measure. and i was the same time pushing for a cease fire, roughly saying this alone you taught use also showed electricity, your action even enter net which, which is, you know, we, we, we also see examples of star and cumulative connectivity in dollars, which is just just terroristic, for people to be able not to be able to check and you know, speak to the found is on the, you know, someone is alive. all right, one of those together without a picture with the national community pressuring is where we're not gonna have a solution to this assignment from guys a, i'm just like to talk about the issue of pregnant women for a moment. because look, there are lots of valuable groups and guys, of course, right now, i mean, the entire population is vulnerable,

but we're hearing stories of pregnant women who are a particular risk because and baby formula cannot be found. and milk of course, isn't severe short supply for toddlers, we're relying on it. you speak to us so many. nah, said hospital. how are these women coping and their children? and i'm located in a 10th right adjacent to them. it's had mature warrants here in the hospital. the wall i'm touching is the my tablet, your house is dozens of women in may but and, and, and babies will have been delivered. and 5 days ago. and is there any time spiked store? it's like the 3rd floor of this mess here, that your heading, one female. i'm in getting those off the women in they bought a new born baby. it didn't kennimore because that bump didn't explode. and i'm fine gold such as a lot in the china to work here. i'm the number one thing that is needed. there's things that i need to, to high gee,

and things related to me before was for me to. so you are like, there is a lot of be the source for me that there is a lack of diapers. there is a lot of them, me tabs and the jobs and, and the only solution for that since there is nobody talked sitting with us. it's important just because it's on the outside, so hopefully destroying the condition. when i know more baby is born got more sense for women, but it can needs to come in as soon as possible. i'm trying to support the city and population here on the grounds. likes it looks as we're discussing. i mean the needs are so immense and so huge. if there is another humanitarian pause accord or, or, or, you know, these sort declared safe stones that turns out, are not safe. and garza, the needs are so huge. are these momentary pauses enough to be able to supply the people of gaza with everything that they need to? absolutely, no, i mean in the face of, as i, as i mentioned already, the,

the abundance of pretty much the evidence of atrocity crimes. i mean, what is called for is a complete this ation off of standards. so that indeed the un things sort of properly the better ways. it's showing it during parker center, c n r c, and many others exercise weeks is responsibility. and i'm reach, reach people at all parts of the officer street as long as these decimals happen. and as an international lawyer, i believe it is beyond this continuing diplomatic and political pressure going from grassroots. i believe it is critical to use to, to now make use of all available legal avenue to hold those, perpetrating or implicitly in the commission on record a drawing you o'clock. i'll call legal avenues. what are you referring to here? yeah. what i'm referring to, i mean there is an ongoing investigation by the icbc were aware of that and,

and further submissions store the items, the impression on the i, since the prosecutor coming along is, is critical. then there is also the opportunity offered by the genocide convention for the 4 stage to engage the international court of justice, including intentions. we've been urgent requests for professional measures. uh the 100 why? the why they're saying that we're still having to see the states invoke about genocide convention yet likes. well, one of the main reasons is i think the almost a, a share of taking on israel and to and, and by extension e, d, d, d, us and, and you're there 153 states party to the general cycled emission. they're roughly the same stage that's reporter to reese in general to send the resolution. but uh, but, but booking, you know, expressing, expressing a strong do, you know,

chasing each one, taking legal action and in a court of law. and especially in the world court is, is an, you know, a critical is quite the trust old. and yet in, in phase of debris, my flashing, you know, evidence that we're seeing is critical. that's, you know, one home more of the, of the 160 sweepstakes parties. step up to do this pressure and, and uh and uh, and do the rightsignature, myanmar b as a, as company id in, in the diesel file for me. i'm are with respect to the james side as against the drawings and, and finally there is also a mil to mil, to chew off avenues from national court. quite a, quite a few have already be partial to us in the netherlands and u. k. in scandinavia. but much more can be done and there is a lot of collaboration between the lawyers around the world and, and right and, and supported by about us the human rights organization. and this is really,

really critical at the, at the present time. only have folks that accountability can bring, you know, restrained by, by default the and those companies sent in, in, in the ongoing general trying. okay. we'll have to leave it there on that. no, thank you so much for joining us gentlemen. i'm sort of strong mind. thank you for joining us from laza as my bait onto my mind and lex talking berg. thank you for joining us from vienna. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll do a 0. com for further discussion and go to our face. so it's page dots. facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story from the conversation on x or handle is a j inside story. so myself whole team here and thanks for watching. bye bye. for now, the african countries have struggled to reclaim many of the artifacts taken by you

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