in the good thing that migration, the us is pressing mexico to do more to stem the flow of life was to the florida thousands of strides and make it into america every day. what kind of mexico do to stop them? and how much is this a political issue for job items? this is inside story, the . hello the welcome to the program. i'm nora kyle, my good crossings of the us mexico border have hit an old time high. this month. the daily number hit around 10000 undocumented microns and asylum seekers

attempting to enter the united states. most of them via the southwest in the state of texas. and the arizona it comes as a circle caravan of mold and a 5000 people is currently making its way north with through mexico. the crisis is pushing us present, joe biden on depression as he heads into an election. yeah. on wednesday, he's an extra estate on the blinking to mexico to also present to do more to keep my goods within its borders. but how can this be achieved, and how will the issue of immigration pay out politically inside the us will discuss all this with all guest and just a moment. but 1st, this report from victoria k. some day. after traveling thousands of columbus has these people waiting into the freezing was, is it the rio grande? this group is part of a search in migration towards the us buddha. in recent days, it's taken most of the months to get here. a many thousands more are in southern mexico, heading north as well, or coming today,

the poorest of the poor us the working, those of us who are in desperate need. those of us who did not have money to types of phases. those of us who do not have money to pay for a smuggler the crossings at the us mexico. buddha rach, an old time high early in december president j bite and said he'd strike a deal with republicans own migration, a tightening of asylum policy ended increasing deportations. it were time for more money to fund the war in ukraine. was spread quickly south of the food and seems to have contributed to a spike in undocumented crossings. people to come to that because it's around the 15th of december, we start hearing rumors. we're going to shut down the boulder and they wouldn't let anyone into it. and that made me very desperate. and i thought i need to get in a lot of results is a us detention and processing senses means many people stranded in desert camps without adequate food. or to or shelter. one of the challenges when the, when the migrant drive, of course, most of them now are, are walking right up to guards and saying i,

i want to plain asylum is that they have to be processed. and that process is lengthy. the backlog is, is i need turn 2 and a half 1000000 cases. us secretary of state anthony, blinking discussed food security challenges with mexican president under as, ma'am well, lopez, overdue on wednesday. as pressure grows on president biden. and the divided us congress to act tens of thousands more migrants. refugees and asylum seekers there in southern mexico. preparing to had news, trying to reach the us before the new the victoria item b, l g 0 to inside stores. let's bring it out, i guess. now all of them joining us from the united states. so rebecca wolf is in new york city. she's a senior advocacy strategist at the american immigration counseling, a non profit organization in washington dc. we have immigration, attorney, liam,

fresco, he for me, served as the deputy assistant attorney general in charge of immigration at the us justice department and maureen, my is to any us from phoenix, arizona. she's the vice president for programs at the washington office on latin america. human rights advocacy organization of i will welcome to all of you when, when can we start with you telling us? what is the situation at the border? because we have some people saying that it's close to breaking points with assessment, transit crossing points, having to close because the offices bought offices, they've been redeployed elsewhere to cope with an influx of migraines. i mean, it sounded quite k all take, i'm kind of cute. volts is the actual situation. i think what we're saying is certainly numbers of migrants crossing daily, as was commented previously of almost historic levels and a continuously hide number every day, which is really texting resources, both from the us officials, from border patrol and cvp,

as well as the local communities that are working to support those migrants that are literally waiting sometimes for days to be picked up by us. agents often times in very remote parts of the border. it is even though it's the southwest border, it can get very cold at night. and so we have very little know people that continually cross every day and many times are simply stuck waiting with very little resources to have their chance to present themselves before us officials and most of the ask for protection. rebecca, why are we seeing these historic levels of number of people trying to get into the united states now? so i think there's a couple of reasons and your previous but at the top of this report you use, or your report, or sort of alluded to some of them. you know, there are a lot of people who are coming and hearing rumors about the political situation in the united states as we enter an election year. and as we hear of various um, you know, people who are running for president to talking about migrant says the political

ponds. and so people are afraid that they're going to be even more draconian policies put in place at our southern border and sort of feeling a renewed sense of urgency, which is probably at least contributing to, to the increased numbers of, of people crossing and attempting to cross that in the previous month, little rebecca says more draconian policies puts in maybe puts in place in the future just to get through. what happens right now when someone turns up on the board to either undocumented seeking asylum, what happens? what is the process? well, the government 1st needs to decide whether to waste them into what is something called expedited removal, which is what happens when you show up at the border without any document agents to prove that you're allowed to be in the united states, even the government. but i mean, expedited removal. they can literally do what value spelled words a expedited removal unless you give up, defend the expedited removal, which is

a sign language is that you are going to be persecuted in your own country. at that point, the person band has a burden to show that they have a beer. and depending on how they enter the united states, if it's their 2nd time, or if they have some problem, they either have to show what's called a credible for year, which is a lower standard or a reasonable fear, which is a higher se burns, but in any case a fear of persecution and they've been given side was that then they are allowed to remain in the united states. but sometimes so many people show up at one time that they gave me to do any of is, and they just liked the people in. i tell them to check in with ions later on a few drill occasion. and in that situation, you aren't even put into any of that burden. and so both of those things happen at the same time because you actually need a significant amount of defenses, right? so be able to do this 1st process. so depending on where you go and what you show

up and how many people throw off, you might not even get that 1st for me, which people are sometimes saying, is that even sufficient? screwed me. okay. rebecca, i could feel shaking your head why, why you're shaking your head. what do you know some free with them? well, i think that there's sort of a mis, a fundamental misunderstanding of the way that our system works and, and sort of some, some framing but needs to be addressed. and one is this idea that people are simply in, but in that is not the case. no one is just let in to be united states without any kind of, um, either or both of legal process and a method of, of as, as my, my colleagues said, a method of checking in we right now have a system in which people who are let in, quote, unquote, are put on bed various forms of surveillance, including an app that they are, that they are expected to use on their phone that can be tracked of where they are

in the united states. additionally, they are put into the system of removal process. so they are given what's called a notice to appear, and they are told that they need to come to court in order to, to defend their, their claim for asylum. the cvp officers that encounter people at the board, or are required to ask, under their own guidance, whether or not someone fear is returned to their home countries. that is, regardless of whether the person has put an expedited removal or not. and so cvp is turning back thousands of people all the time, including many reports, say people who are, are in facts, saying that they fear, returned to home countries that are being turned back anyway. and so what we are talking about is as a lack of resources throughout the system, not just at the border and certainly not just for enforcement purposes of law enforcement purposes. but, but resources needed at the level of asylum officers,

resources needed at the level of the immigration court. that's where we should be focusing rather than a lot of the conversation, which has been about simply preventing people from coming in the 1st place. okay, more in what, what percentage roughly would you say of people who arrive at the board to manage to show that they have credible fare and are allowed to proceed through the system? so, you know, that's an interesting question because in part how many people are able to access protects from united states and get assign them is also due to how many get access to legal counsel as of highlighted. that can be very difficult, especially if you have a quick hearing, but also there's not enough lawyers right now to support the number of asylum seekers in the united states. think the recent numbers i want to say a little bit under half of the people are gaining access to production. but that means that all of those people, if they had been quickly sent home without the chance of safe protection, could be set back to torture death, other forms of persecution. and so i think the,

the idea of the system should be airing on the side of protection that these are people in need and not trying to deter people or to simply send them back. and i wanted to highlight, i think, what, what rebecca said about what's happening at the border. a lot of these people are crossing so far in the remote parts of the border because the binary restriction is trying to channel people through the ports of entry through cbp. one app, which is an app that you can do, you need to use to get an appointment, but be your only 1454 minutes a day. it is a very tricky app. it's only available in 3 languages. and there is simply not enough appointments for the number of people that need to request asylum. and so there, there are things they feel like they're forced after sometimes months of waiting. i can take 7 months, 8 months to actually get an appointment. they're desperate, and that's why you're also see people crossing in between the ports of entry and, and these remote areas because simply meant that there aren't enough appointments available. and there's not enough infrastructure at the ports to be receiving. the

number of people that would like to enter every day and request protection later on . to what extent do you agree that the situation could be missing? cases by following move results is into the system or border patrol. emigration judges more money, more people personal to process people in a foster way because there is a fear as well. isn't that from some segments of the us. but if you make the process easier, i'm foster the step to get them to college. more people to come. i think there's 2 different questions. so one question is file, can you make the system to render on the judy case and as quickly as possible, more efficient? and that is, there is all of the resources. a 2nd question is, do we want the system to continue in the way it's operating today? and so that's the political debate that's happening today. there's, i think, half of the conference probably went to reject the premise and i'm not giving

a personal opinion. i'm just trying to lay out the fact that the congress will probably reject the opinions that more resources to expedite the admission of more people into the united states to allow them to wait in the united states while their case or timing is desirable. they don't want that, they want people ex, deluded from the united states until such time as they can establish their claim. and so people don't even want ben say it'd be able to ever assign weights of asylum . fine. so that's the sort of compared to fix 3, and then i think you're hearing opposition. uh, that's the other end, which is look, if we just can get people in as quickly as possible and process them then that this illusion of the problem. well, that's the solution to the problems of back blogs, but it's not the solution to the problem. uh, are you trying to try immigration? kurt pale did something number, and so that's it just depends what problem you're trying to solve for. rebecca,

it seems that the 5 the ministration is currently focusing on the to terrance solution or what's it considered as to be the solution we've just had such as a blinking in mexico, requesting mexico do more to stop people reaching the us mexico border. what do you make of that? well, i think that, you know, the recent and, and just in history is shown, but the terms does not work, i think. but there's, it's important for, for your audience to understand that the us has an obligation under its own laws to allow people to seek asylum in the united states. people's opinions or political positions. and congress can't insert that obligation. and it's not just under us law, but it's also under international law. and so we're sort of it, while we can talk about the politics of it, we need to understand that, that underlying the premises that people have a right to seek asylum in the united states. if they have the basis for it and so

then the real only question is, is how do we assess that appropriately and humanely assess people's people's claims for asylum. in terms of that president biden's current sort of objective to get to the mexican government more involved, you know, we were just on a delegation to various points along the border and also inside mexico and talk to dozens of, of migratory and exactly the situation that maureen, described of waiting on that side for those appointments. and we, we know not just fedex totally from, from our experience, but from other reporting other human rights organizations that those deterrence policies are. first of all, currently already in place, the mexican government and mexican police across mexico. so through the entire area of mexico are turning back to my grants, forcing them into other areas of mexico and attempting to keep them out of mexico

altogether. even people who have appointments or other permission to come in to the united states already. so the idea that we would rely on the mexican government and mexican law enforcement to adverse, those policies should be concerning to anyone who cares about human rights. but it's also important to, to understand again, that this has not sent to read about whether or not we can keep people out for in it's about a process of allowing people and, and, and assessing whether or not people can come in a, in a way that allows our system in the united states to work. but the trouble is, is that this is a big lot political liability for buys and isn't it a more we, we've got an election. yeah, we've got, again the public compression in congress. how much more can buy them with stand these numbers without being seen to do something?

i mean, i think that was part of the visit that, that we saw yesterday. our secretary is blinking and my york us to mexico was trying to show that they are working to address the issue. that was also part of the budget request that the debate isn't just how do we unfortunately lower the bar for asylum. but also in that budget pack, it was additional resources for more agents at the borders and more, more resources to address what's happening. i think it is a political liability. it's very difficult right now for the binding research. and republicans have continuously use the border and integration as, as a weapon in and political campaigning. we are seeing several democrats lead local governments also pushing back because of the number of my friends that they're seeing in their communities. but i think this is more of a management issue then how many people should we let into the country? how do we as a, as the united states government, how does the us government work to better coordinate with state, local, and the federal government on how do you process people in a more effective way?

where can people be located in the country? how do you provide the resources to local community? that's not just it's one heart housing and they need it services, but also the legal services. so people can process there's own cases and actually start to work after that, the 6 month period. there's a lot that could be done domestically, but i think it's also important to highlight that defined restriction has worked to, to address this as a regional issue. it has invested 2400000000000000 dollars and he monitoring the systems in the past 2 years in large part to address migration flows and access to protection. this is a regional phenomena. there are 6500000 venezuelans living throughout latin america, including 2800000 in columbia alone, saying this is something that fitness, duration, and many governments in the region including mexico, are trying to address as regional, as well as, you know, worldwide phenomena. and that does require responses, not just from the us government commitments from government across the board, on what they can be doing to support migrants and asylum seekers. and that i think

it's something that we need to address and how do we address the root causes of why so many people are being forced to have definitely their home countries. leo and this is something that makes him present live has overdo, raised with us. actually blinking a one says the us to engage more with cuba and venezuela to consider lifting sanctions to invest in more development projects. but at this stage of the game in an election. yeah. how interested is joe biden and investing in long term solutions? well, i think there's several problem one, as you said, a quick fix is needed if electoral politics is your solution. and when you're talking about the g d p differences of venezuela, cuba in the united states, it will take you back a that may get anywhere near a place where it would not be desirable to lead to buy or that is why he lives and enter the united states, i mean, but it's not realistic for,

for decades. the. com. and i think the real question is, what are you doing for this new phenomenon of people arriving at the united states? we have literally no place to go. i don't blame for what to do when they arrive here. that's the big problem. that's something that is like new in the last few decades of migration and the, i'd say more people are completely planned lives when they arrive. and quite frankly, the system in that situation is meant to have the jude occasion is the person a flight risk, or are they dangerous? and the point is that they don't have as right. so they don't have anyone that's fix email address that can care for that person and keep them responsibly to the proceeding. the droids or is they need to be in a federal facility and some kind of the, you don't want to be of the button to still be. we have to figure out the main places. but they need to be in a place where we know where the person is and get their case done as quickly as

possible or not, but really, who pays the is to keep them in the federal government. but the point is right now that cost is being put into chicago, new york, philadelphia, etc. those may or vers, saying, we can't pay this anymore. we're gonna where our budgets are about to go buy for up until the point is the truth. the engine is, this is a federal government problem. the federal government needs to pay the people in a, in a facility to do to take their haze as quickly as possible or not release them into the cities. right. then they going to 567, nearby 4. okay. i can see rebecca, i'm going by shaking. go ahead so that rebecca, your response to the federal facility solution. but what, what he is suggesting is massed attention of, of asylum seekers and that is very clearly not a solution for a number of reasons. one is a solution is you know, something that,

but to yourself pointed out, which is that we don't have the detention space to do that. and simply pouring more money into federal jail, federal prisons up we can call them detention centers, but that's what they are. it's something that the binding in ministration themselves promise not to do during their previous election the season. and so i think that's what we need to be focused on though it is correct that we need to be directing resources towards the cities and communities that are hosting these asylum seekers. whether that's chicago in new york or the border cities that have been handling a number of the huge numbers of people for decades. and the idea that that the, these larger, more powerful studies have gotten the attention of, of the federal government and, and the public is, is exactly what the republicans in those border states like texas have designed. they are intentionally creating crises in places like chicago and new york by

busing, people from texas. they are, that is an issue of resources as more and pointed out resources for legal services in addition to resources and social resources such as housing. but fundamentally what, what we're talking about this idea that people are sitting and disappearing into the interior of the united states and simply not correct. that is not what is happening. there is a backlog of, of how long people are waiting for their cases to be adjudicated. that is due to a lack of resources in our immigration court system. and the solution there is to adjudicate those cases more quickly. because then you have a clear answer. are those people um, uh, eligible for asylum? should they be granted as violence? or should they be removed to, should they be someone who, who should be put into our, our removal process, and that can't happen until the cases are adjudicated. annoying. what, what is the situation with people who are in the system waiting for the cases of

a allowed to what, to what extent are they able to help themselves? so i think 2 things here. one is also um, we cannot be locking out families with children and i think that is also there are legal restrictions on how many families can be held in detention for only 3 weeks. and there's a lot of really effective alternative to detention systems that are more cost effective. that rarely will make sure people show up in court. i think if you are an asylum seeker, facing your asylum proceedings outside of detention because there are some that are in detention, which is extremely complicated for them to have legal representation and to go through their cases. but if you are one that is outside of detention, you have 6 months after you submit your near asylum request, where you have to wait for work authorization. and this is one of the biggest challenges currently that we're facing in these communities. when you have high numbers of asylum seekers such as new york, washington, chicago, and elsewhere is that those people can't work legally until they have that

authorization. and so they're basically, depending on the social services volunteers, people that are housing asylum seekers, including and different cities and also working irregularly. and so i think there is that big challenge. this is something congress has to change though, not the administration, but there is that ability after 6 months to work. the other important part and i think what the onset is true, a lot of these individuals are arriving in the united states without the family ties and social networks that we've seen in other ways of my grandson, but it is taxing the system more. but you hear time and time again from these asylum seekers, they just want to come and they want to work. and i think that is one of the biggest challenges is how do you speed up that ability for them to legally work and sustain themselves. so they're not also further on the system. this is a political issue, lawmakers, politicians have made it so i'm interested to know what the americans feel about cross border migrants. broadly speaking, of in favor or against people coming to the united states. i mean, business,

the country is divided on this issue and i think it also depends on if you look at a mike ro or mike ro, meeting on the macro level, probably you have, you know, the country is a ball, but the border is a little strange. other than right now, and then another point will be yeah, but you know, the mindset that it can be managed or big. and then on the micro level, you also will have people who say, well, this particular person is fine. it's the rest of them that are not fine. and so there's always a huge inc, and brewing says, but just generally, i cannot speak for all of america. i would just say you can't run an immigration system that this incense devise is legal, immigration, admin, set of devices. uh uh, a regular migration meaning just show up and, and com. i mean this, this is the problem. the vitamin is pricing dry with the cd p one app with the f. i love the changes for the regulator and all of that was, was,

was helpful in hearing. but the problem is people getting pages as what this friday a year. and they say, i won't wait 67 months for the cvt off appointment. i want to arrive right now into the united states. and i understand sometimes the, the, the circumstances of warranted but never the less. you have to have a situation where that's, that's not made in such a sufficient manner, but it's such a easy manner where people know if they can just pop it up for a few weeks, they'll be allowed into the interior of the united states. because that does encourage more of my grades and it just, if they say it's a complicated situation. okay, it is an image, complicated situation, apologies that we do have to leave it the sorry to cut you off. leona and rebecca and maureen are giving you the chance to apply to that, but we will continue this conversation in future programs. i know it's going to continue to be an issue the especially in this coming election. yeah,

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