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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them, is what was worn. garza has brought catastrophic suffering to palestinians, tens of thousands of being killed or injured. and most of the 2300000 people living there have been forced to move or now on. this escape of israel's onslaught has triggered global outrage. younger people have been mobilized and protested with some demonstrating for the 1st time and support of palestinians, money, and good by the financial and military support given by the governments to israel. that money has been used to directly to main palestinians including thousands of children. so how important is the rule and gaza for young people in the west and cut these protest movements have wide. and last thing political impact will be

asking august these questions and more in a few more minutes. but 1st, victoria gave some people thoughts on how young people around the world have showed the support for palestinians and gaza. of the college campuses across the united states have been turned into places of protest since the start of israel's were wrong console. po, show a generational divide has opened up the conflict, those widely known as generation z and young millennials are more likely than the parents of grandparents to feel sympathy for palestinians. and to disagree with us . president jo biden's unconditional support for israel. i believe that the us on the media has been very much on israel side without realizing how decisions have been going through suffering for 75 plus years. at the hands of is really

is the trend that extends beyond the united states. research suggests young people in your say more likely to be sympathetic towards palestinians and older generations. in contrast, these ready to government led by prime minister benjamin netanyahu is the most white wing in the country's history. unless say so many young people, the issue isn't only about the suffering of palestinians. boss injustice are starting to see what's happening in palestine largest in gaza as a justice. and racism issue that this is something they don't stand for there against it. when it came to black lives and the, you know, mark for justice, racial justice in united states and throughout the west. and they're seeing what's happening in palestine in similar ways from similar and no prism. social media has shaped young people's views at the who post. supposing palestine

and those backing israel were roughly equal after the attacks by him asked on october the 7th, 2 weeks later, full times as many back to palestine then is ro, an content supportive of palestinians dominated every platform. the social media is undeniably played a crucial role in both exposing the truth behind mainstream media is propaganda that's designed to misinform but also it plays a role in exposing the contextual reality is the disproportionate power dynamics and how israel is absolved almost as an exception. well, recently human rights switch says meta has silence post and suppose of palestine on instagram and facebook. but young people in the us and in cities across the world are continuing to pray just to show solidarity and cool. so peace. victoria gave some b l. just a rough inside story. the

more on this i'm joined by, i guess in washington dc is donna l. could a non resident senior fellow at the arab center, washington dc. and new jersey is eli emani, a black lives matter activist and co founder of the black liberation, collective and in london is no gonna levy rappaport a youth climate act of us involved in palestine solidarity campaigns in the u. k. a very warm welcome to all of you, miss l could. i'll begin with you in washington dc. just how much has israel's war on gaza? would you say we slice of life support among the world youth for the palestinian cause? yes, thank you for having me. um, so in terms of israel's recent conduct sparking so much mobile as. busy and as your reporting showed that we have a great deal of evidence to suggest that the young people and the pro palestine solidarity movement generally is growing. so for example,

the crowd counting consortia, which is a joint project at the university of connecticut and the non violent action by but harvard kennedy said school as showed that between october 7th and november of $26.00, that were close to 2012 outside riley's march marches demonstrations of all sorts of mobilizations in 4468 different cities and towns across 49. and us states, the district of columbia, puerto rico and guam. this is just in the united states, and by december j o folder, the research on the project noticed that on the pro israel site. so there are also pro israel protests, but on that side it's mostly counter protest. so the largest share of pro israel activity is not pro israel riley is visuals are demonstrations. it's actually almost always direct counselors to pro palestine protest. um and what this as a done in the, in the last period. but i would argue,

has started before this latest or is it has main street, the pro power side issue in both american politics is which is what i can speak on, but also in the politics of a lot of western countries. that is really interesting. mr. emani miss l could a saying 2000 protests across the united states since october. the 7th. of course not. oh, communities in the us will be supporting the palestinian cause because of the same reasons. why do people who support the black lives matter movement also is largely advocate for palestinians. a that's a great question on the black lives matter move in comes from the black radical tradition. and the black radical tradition has a long history of having a lot of ship with the colonial movements, particularly the palestinian liberation movement. and we can trace that legacy all the way back to the 19th sixty's with malcolm x,

who visited palestine and was able to witness the refugee camps and tour the hospitals there when you get a firsthand experience about the atrocities that was happening in palestine and bring that information back to black america, and that continue that legacy for malcolm x to the black panther party, all the way into i believe by 2014, with the death of mike brown in fergus, missouri. when i was in ferguson, missouri protesting the death of mike brown, and we was getting hit with rubber bullets and being tear gas. it was palestinians who were seeing us treat messages about how to deal with the facts of tear gas. and that opened up a whole new generation to the palestinian plight and brand up this solidarity who's been reading not at this solidarity movie that was kind of government for a few years. and this continue on to this day. and by having these conversations, by doing this collaboration, this slow movement is slow,

who i think is why we are witnessing this, this growth right back in the solitary. now what you're mentioning is really interesting about what happened in ferguson, missouri because we know that the american police have trained with israeli soldiers that there has been some collaboration that and you are saying that protest is palestinian protest as we're telling people, taking part in black lives matter process about how to deal with those with those security forces who have trying to get the mis libby route support. they bring you in here. you in london, in the united kingdom and i was reading that the united kingdom has seen some of the we've seen in fact, over the past, more than 2 months. the united kingdom has some of the, has had some of the biggest protests against, as well as war on gaza and has some of the largest support for the palestinians among the youth there. why is that? i think fundamentally young people in the check and have been witness to the decay

of all x nomic social systems across at least the last 15 years. it's not more grounded in the realist principles that underpin the therapy that has taken place, the actual refugees all the all how drug government is attempting to show hone in on a very serious lot of positions. as we have seen as a result, is the young people in the chase to alternate the trade by the need is on the field . i'll be betrayed by the media instead of the pockets have the social media to watch, palestinians that age be forced into the coming john s mazda of the john, to be killed by as ro. oh, because they simply have no other choice but to document the destruction of the people in that country. these young people all rage and they could have been any one. and we have a country with

a very serious historic responsibility in the power, the israel house in palestine. and the creation of it's of itself. young people who are growing up in this country have had some of the greatest story kind of some of the graces, national poets like the late benjamin's us and i dream of a free palestine in that lifetime. we have not yet witness the and now be a witness think this janice title campaign on top of one of this young people have been seriously affected by some of the greatest tragedies in the u. k. such as the graphics hotel a fight which was caused by the struggle funding bills by the complete clinic, who produced pots, the s o t 5, quite adjusted as one has used in its campaigns against cause and cost, a piece of devastating occurrences. and the connects us, yeah, this time we connect us because we are a country of migrants and we have a country that is proud to get to choose my friends. and there are so many products and you refugees living amongst us,

telling us the stories and sharing mysteries with us. you're bringing out young, but we have to. yeah, we have to do. you are bringing up many important points that a central to this discussion. you're saying that as young people who have tools and of course, one of the greatest tools that people who are in support of palestine have used is social media and this. okay. what role do you think social media has played in? why we see that great divide now between our older people's in the west, generally supporting as well and the younger supporting palestinians. we see a lot more pro palestinian content on social media. then pro is ready. a pro is rather. yeah. so. right, right. so social media obviously does play a role. busy busy not just as a pro palestine movement of just generally because social media allows for

a user to go to the source, picked up on information from people who are actually there as, as no dimensions. so people are looking at what the items are saying they're going on, took terms they're going on instagram, they're going on, you know, all the different social media apps to break away from the more mainstream narratives um and more mainstream media coverage. and in fact, a lot of that kind of social media activity and how posting is on the ground in particular have seized on that social media activity. a has been able to that impact mainstream media coverage and correct mainstream media coverage. and so that's very empowering most more of the cost of hands on the ground, but for the people who want to learn more and, and see and wants to break free of some of the devices that they're seeing. that being said, social media obviously is not a magic bullet. a social media is not a public space. they are private companies. they are um you know,

controlled by. busy private corporations that then we can shuttle them, can change the algorithm can, can play around with how much information people are getting and what kinds of information people are getting. and we see that with what happened to twitter. now x where misinformation and this information around israel and palestine right now is, is so widespread on top of that social media is also very top heavy, meaning that a small amount of users can really impact the discourse. so that can be good in some ways, if you're elevating what's on the car, then that can also be bad because there are power differentials between who supplemented and who does it. people who look good. people who speak english people, you know, and so i know that's and also who people are advocating for, right. because we have seen many who are supporting palestinians,

especially very high profile people with a very large following on across different social media accounts being shadow band or being outright band. those who have been in support of palestine. we've also seen the conversation around free speech guessing models having me this emani, if i can bring you in on the sort of speech and free speech on the subject. people who support the black live matter movement have been accused of anti white racism, which is something that we're really seeing, especially on social media and when it comes to those who support palestinians. anyone who's supposing palestinians is being accused of anti semitism in the same way that those who support the black lives matter movement have been accused of anti watch racism. yes, i mean it's exactly very similar, right? that when the black lives matter movement really 1st emerge, one ways that the oppressor tries to silence the oppressed is try to um,

criminalize them and demonize them. right. it tried to call the black lives matter movement inside of white or races. when we was actually trying to bring to light the atrocities and the trauma violence, experiencing, experienced by black people and tried to dismantle those very policies and practices and institutions to actually bring true freedom and justice. and the oppressed it, does it worth it? just like the oppressed, it does not want or free liberate at palestine. so they try to demonize. anyone that is pro palestine. demonized certain phrases like, for example, from the river to the sea and try to make that anyone who is inside zion is, is anti semitic, which is not true. being an anti design is not the same thing as being anti semitic . so we have to continue to educate people just back how we try to educate the black lives matter. rubin and we'll show it slowly. see that shift where more people are able to comfortably talked about the black box, not

a movement. and now we're seeing more people comfortably being pro powers by that word maybe like 5 or 6 or 7 years. yeah. no good labor wrap a full if i want to bring you in there because you're in a unique position and that you were born in israel to a family that was anti occupation. how did you come to be involved and palestinian in groups supporting palestine and have you seen any change within the youth where they don't accept that criticizing zine as a is being anti semitic? there was certainly moves and they just slicing in the opposite direction, especially in the us and even in european countries. but how does the youth see that? i guess so young people around the state and really at the beginning in many parts of israel must have been understanding that zine isn't indeed as an adult the same thing. actual design isn't, isn't ideology that has been subsumed in time into as well as dennis started the

campaign, i guess, selda and into it's a pop type regime as a kind of sign in the pipe chartres. but young people listening in the you k, who amongst jews and muslims who lived together in peace, they will, amongst jews, christians, muslims, and all other phase who lived together in peace and through the sea. but this is a whole city is reading. sometimes students can only live alone, religious be divided lines. my best friend is a posting and listen. i am an entre sinus to these existences that is role attempts to deny. but young people living in the u. k. count denied a seat in front of that and eyes and in stops the active contention of israel's propaganda. and many of the media channels, which i'm not criticizing this, put together effectively enough of letting people just feel betrayed by the media. and so they've turned elsewhere to try to understand what sign is is and why they

must oppose it without being anti semitic. all right, what else could is yoga, no good. rather no good level. rotherford was giving us the situation how young people see the subject of sign ism and anti semitism in the u. k. was about among youth in america. i know that you do polling among young democrats, young republicans. how did they differ on this? and so i don't myself to pull in the united states. i do pull in the air world but i do fall. busy and keep track of pulling what we're seeing on the, on the question of israel and the differentiations. a customer relations between older democrats and younger democrats is quite. ringback stark, so for example, a cleaning a pack university poll showed that finance approval, reading for his handling of israel have asked for, was amongst democrats only at 56 percent. and that the lion's share,

69 percent of democrats, the democratic leading people under 35, disapprove of how by then this viewing this war. but also young democrats say that 61 percent of young democrats say, according to a pupil, but it was just released in december. so that israel is going to far, compared with 31 percent. the conservatives are moderate democrats. and so we have all of these pulling points to suggest that there is this generational gap. and i do want to pick up on something that's one of one of the guests mentioned, which is that we're talking about how different communities come to profile setting activism. but we really must mention the american jewish community um american and american jewish generations that was activated by the occupied movements that was activated by the brittany. so i'm just kept paid. that was activated also by organizing around the 2014, gaza for that are now playing a crucial role in organizing a lot of those, you know,

to 1000 plus protests that we've seen. yeah, it's up to over 7. is that are that are pro palestinian and see basically saying giving a message to people and i'm not just suggesting only impact scientists but just the larger kind of maybe whatever label they want to call themselves post sinus, whatever. but they're basically saying to people that there is a differentiation, they are making that differentiation amongst the american public and saying that even if we want and we agree with jewish safety, which of course is a demand that all of us should agree with that that does not entail the actions that are taking place right now. and that has been a very crucial factor. yeah, absolutely. even seeing that jewish war, so piece, for instance, has been one of the group that's being most vocal against what israel is doing and gaza and support for the palestinians. mr. emani, how much does the diversity factor in the use population in america, where you are for support for palestinians?

we've seen, you know, gallup polls, for example, showed that older or rather older and why the americans supposed israel more the non white americans, and that they're more mixed race people among the younger populations. yes, i think that many people of color we know oppression. we know genocide, we know cool guys ation. we know these things. we know the experiences of it. we know the strategies of the oppressor of disenfranchisement occupation as someone a so for we know this weather is in united states in america or the countries that we are descended from. so we have many of us have a real, a real love and affinity for other people who are also on con, ours, and also going through that struggle because we experience it ourselves. we experienced the fact that when we tried to speak up,

we'll often times criminalize in demonized. so again, going back to the whole black lives matter, boom, it is by continue the same black lives matter that we're able to popularize that phrase as people understand that we are not trying to deny anyone else's humanity. but to affirm the humanity of black people, just just the same way that when we say um from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. we're not saying that we want the death of anyone for saying that we want freedom and liberty for all people in it. that freedom and liberty should not be just exclusive to one set of people. but it should be a job with. busy people living on that land, and yet we've seen us congress from the machine. it's an a being sentient for saying that in support of palestinians know gallery, rapid force, you know, you touched on the, you case, historical role and colonization. and mr. emani was talking about, you know, that people that they know the oppression because of the

colonized ation. the, again, you've seen some of the biggest protests in the u. k. do you think that that's how much pressure or change has that led to and what the people in power are doing, as i think is leading to an enrollment some of prussia. we saw a very unfortunate vote against a ceasefire just 2 months ago, which did not result in a majority against disease spots, the numerous flirtations that were made incredibly or what. but when we go to the general election next year, a majority of the constituents who may have visited to them before a serious degree, considering we're seeing how young people in particular, who have been capable of building enormous pressure in the u. k. as the last 5 years and then what about the around kind of jumps? does not kids not to me, then she'll do the pretests for reclaim of st. statements. now witnessing and

testifying to the connection between the refracted most in his file against the palestinians. and the repressive crop sounds. all right, to precess to this is baya with, in use with miss here to ensure that we continue to fight back against these crackdowns young blood turned out enough money to i'm thousands, the client and justice. but now the witnessing the trusting and stuart how full security and it's one of the over the climate, the invoice for the mc out charity and the owners. and this is an injustice that they are feeling very d t. so we're feeling very d one across the well. yeah. but again and then to sex anality that of different justice movements. this to emani. do you think that there's anything that the protest and support of palestinians can learn when it comes to your movement and affecting change at the policy level?

i think the biggest thing that i always can learn is solidarity in collaboration. there's power in, in that, and that's the biggest thing that we could learn from each other's movement is not necessarily how can we influence politicians? it's about how to learn about each other's cultures, learn about each other struggles and how could we collaborate more and more to get the things that we went? all right, because it's not changing the course in office is about actually getting a freedom and liberal ration for all of our people. all right, so we don't have a very long left. so i'd like to ask a ms. l. could the last question, do you think that the activism that we've seen has translated into actual policy? what will it take for that to happen? and i think what this moment has shown is that all of this x activism is obviously crucial because it holds,

it holds politicians and it holds the policy makers accountable. and especially in the united states where there is an election coming up, it can raise the stakes. but at the same time, it is quite disappointing to see how far are the decision makers and our policy makers have been willing to go. even despite all of these protests and all of this mobilization, so i think that is something that the pro palestine movement needs to contend with at some point, which is how that translates to fit the actual power. because mobilization is only one level of, of, of political power and, and a check on, on the power sources. but it is not the only way that we can engage with politics and, and that is that, that needs to be discussed moving forward. all right, thank you. to own of i guess that is donna l could zoe emani and know gallery rappaport and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, which is 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to

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on a, just the on counting the cost. what lies ahead for the global economy is inflation of interest rates remain high. the china is facing deflation is price is full power flooding growth, the effect to wells foss. how is rails war on gaza is impacting energy and shipping kind of thing. the cost on out to 0 in on the federal tax upfront takes on the big issue. that is the context to what is happening now. it to the question of 5 unflinching questions. rigorous, the bank that he added to 2 days that the another mcclin's thing is taking place. augusta. nothing goes into garza without us of permission. nothing leads garza without referrals. permission allow me to push back for a moment, demanding a ceasefire, demanding an end to the root causes of all of this violence upfront without 0. 9 and america is a region of wonder i'm joy tragedy,

and yes of violet. but it doesn't matter where you are, you'll have to be able to relate to the human condition. the i've been covering all of latin america for most of my career, but no country is a like. and it's my job defense life on how and why the, the 5th battles and central and southern gaza bosses most to say that's my thing is really troops incognito the ups. the whole rahman you're watching, obviously are like my headquarters here in the also coming up a struggle to survive in southern guns that we have from displaced palestinian

families with little access to food volta or shelter. israel and target cities across the all people.