this is going to build the benefits of uranium. that's why you're on to run this practice. think sort of a strategy patients in the past week. the bombing come on have shocked many radians . it's one of the worst attacks the rod has seen in recent years. at the tide, security measures here reflect the amount of precaution, the governments. they can to prevent that all the possible attack on national much is it a demo? sedans army chief has rejected a ceasefire. the ellipse being agreed upon by the rival power, military rapids support forces and the former prime minister, abdullah m dot general of those thoughts out of the honda says they'll be no reconciliation of the 9 months long will will continue for one says the r s f has failed to uphold agreements to open humanitarian car doors and free civilian prisoners. they are assess the the mohammed homes on the lo has been seeking regional support for the piece deal the former so have for can power. let me pick

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a lifelong sentence is revisiting comes family as they continue to move on their door to. they say they don't believe that she told the truth around events during the night of her mother, and that he's not remorseful and that he had lied. but they say they both are taking some come putting the fact that during this pro peer, this will last until 2029. that sense will the end of the sentence is that you will have to enroll in programs that deal with violence against women as well. as anger management somebody, the ultra 0 pretoria. and that's it for me. how are a full set to be more use the top of the hour more information to on our website out is there a dot com upfront is coming up next. the house coverage of africa is what i'm most proud of. every time i travel,

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a couple. thank you so much for joining us on upfront. my pleasure. i mean, if, if anything was happening, how mazda is october 7th attack, and israel's subsequent bombardment of guys that have both been met with accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and various other war crimes. but before we get into the specifics of these accusations, i wanted to ask you, if you could 1st sort of briefly define what constitutes a war crime. this was what crime that basically they find them by the geneva convention on now by they were on this side. and they basically, they are limits how solely is, could behave during the war. that is a work right. then you have another type of crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, crimes against humanity. is it why spread the or systematic attack? again, disability and footboard ation. and that's why the,

and how much is it comes again to might have to but mean that issue and you have a specific crime. general side general side is and i've talked, this is a crime to be destroyed in the religious russian group. and i believe that that's important because the general side, it's a convention and is the convention that is required in the states bought these to prevent genocide? that's why genocide. so impulse then, because it or lead crunch of these crimes that they have these obligation not just thought enough to meet the crimes. the 153 states boxes of the genocide convention, including us and russia, an old, almost all of the countries who are committed to prevent and find the general side . that's why genocide, it's so important. how about ethnic cleansing? of some people have argued that what's happening as an ethnic cleansing,

how do you define it? and the crazy ethnic, i think you get by him. is it point? and you can, i think is a nice expression, but he's not the crime itself. any clean thing is a warning use to avoid it. can be find something that genocide. why? because you're to go in your state, you have us and you say is a genocide. you have the new to do, but event you say is that the green thing? nothing happened is okay, so let's, let's talk about this idea of genocide. according to the palestinian health officials. as of this recording, israel has killed over 15000 palestinians around 40 percent of that number are children. they bumped hospitals. schools refugee camps is really armies, bolts person, danielle, how gaiety, in fact, openly admitted that the quote emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy. and of course, this is all in addition to israel preventing nearly all food from coming in all

fuels from coming in. 1 people are given, this is a form of collective punishment. my question is, is there an actual genocide taking place? what, let me summarize this, this time that you'll be recent. i based to believe it's very low, isn't we're not in the courts of jack. this is where and the funding so if i have percent you thought i thought the mitigation when that read through the base, it will be lead into how much if i conflict you have home us meeting war crimes including today the house budget if it were crime crimes against you, money, the and the crime coming to on october, the 7 in nearby i brought with the general side legal hama, having to introduce troy, eat riley's as a group, been evaluated, reaction is also included. many crimes is complicated. 3, that'd be 5. the war crimes, because each moment being meet the, we evaluated. but there is something very clear that the siege of guy. so it says

that he's 6, i mean, nation or persecution. i think i'm going to do many the on is a form of general side. i think the sig fee, or to see that, you know, like i mentioned the fine that you will need to keep a paper document, general side. the rules say inflicting conditions to this drug. the group that's itself is a general site. so creating the siege itself is a general fact. i'm definitely very clear. these right, well the siege is very clear. and the thing shown to this throw is that people, many offices from the government are expressing jeff, i, that intentions. that why it is very easy to say. and the reason why i basically believe if i is coming to a genocide in guessing just on this each, then each bomb being each of the killings to be properly investigated. but come on,

we have a really clear at this stage, it says ease of genocide, and otherwise these states fire should not conform in the new general site. police you, you talked about some mass also being engaged in war crimes. of course, on october 7th, they killed hundreds of israeli civilians and music festival. they've also kidnapped civilians. these included baby's children, the elderly, the disabled. i mean, we can agree that pretty fashion. those are war crimes, know exactly how much of 77, if the war crime be with us, i can see the lens is it comes again to mind the because he said, is it, is it put on that? again, see, we can't. but who nation is it genocide because the killings where it intended to destroy the group. and that is the genocide. and that's why they october to set it up. doc, if it will cry, is it good? because we might have the i, the genocide,

i'm the reason why because it usually could you say that more about why this constitutes a genocide? i mean, some people have argued that they are engaged in an act of resistance intended not to destroy jewish people as an if needs to be nationality or race. but to defeat a nation state that is attempting to occupy them, they defeating an occupying power where i mean friends it because when i wasn't put together, well he bought it for 2 years in the, by the sign, he's rather confident that why it's so what i mean, so painful to see what's happened today, because in those days, i hope i remember how much send to me at the professor working with them. and he happened to me that. com, i believe it just be, but should not be in by this time. it's not just about but texting godsa, how about believe this shouldn't be not jews in, in, in, by the time that why for them killing the jewish in in the is why it is. but it's is part of this tribe issues and, and that's it. and so it's a general side,

because even if it is a, it's a, it's a dog thinking they tried to destroy a group. in this case, the riley's in by this, by, oh, okay. uh, how much charter uh, was updated as you know in 2017. this is an update from the 1988 charter. uh in in it uh they explicitly state how may i ask a firms that it's conflict with design is to project not with did use because of their religion. how math is not way to struggle against the jews because they are jewish, but wages the struggle against design is too occupied palestine. i'm not here to argue whether that's true or not. but if we were to assume that that were true for a moment with that, then notified the argument of genocide as a legal matter. when i say i am, is the stand the stand that it's, it's not the highest resort based to believe that this time that describes an investigation not going through with that's not enough for me. the journals i should be investigated indicates a homeless,

maybe they adjusted maybe the now i'm not trying to god, but these have been found that they won't do this to kill these people to remove the spell that they eat, riley people from the land. so that is for me that provide recently basically believe that is a general site. i'm not saying it's a big shot because that's the point to convict. why don't think i'm gonna leave it for general side. you read it but try it out. you need to offer the how much would either be up or do to explain his arguments and present evidence and then the judges to convict the princeton. we've got a hygienist done that they had to go to be under the dog started. that is high. this time that i like i'm talking about of the things i've always been wondering about is palestine is a member of the i see, see how mass could be prosecuted for we. busy crimes a under that premise. israel however, is not a signatory to the eyes. you see,

and it has not ratified the rooms that you. so what jurisdiction does the isis you have to investigate and, or prosecute is really what the into the core, how stupid eviction in got set, what's bank and it's it. so then that goes along, but office, drop it in my time and in 2021. the court accepted that's called the mitigation of helps, happy mitigate, crowns coming to in got set with bank and instead of selling that mean any can go between these places for any purpose on could be mitigated by the shocking that goes. by the way, it's right. committing crimes in gas that could be mitigated by you guys are going to court and i would suggest for me, even so important what's happening. got that which is massive and what's happening with bank, they go to west bond. if that's more in for that is, that means that security of a via and i'm a shock this mind,

it is the meaning of security. the press always made difficulties. read today. these that unfortunate rejected. he must have sold it because it was an extremist. is it mine who was investigated? convicted for hates. so these mind, excuse me, to settle that is providing web up the set is on and running activities in with band field and they're going be that way. for me in the same way. if so appealing on an offer what's happening? yes, i do think that with that in, in what value there's no more environment because these pets on the meat of security has in for that it's running web of the set that i mean, fact yeah, almost. i understand more than 200 people to so doesn't wait for me. i guess that is one offered scenario, but with buying is a very important done on the particular be of a sudden should it's a mark been clear in particular be investigated for it for more crimes. let me say

give, it shouldn't be to get it. absolutely. yes, i'll put on the, on what he's doing by the weapons incentive. if he in fact the incentive to violence. i read that he, he was using the police to, to crash the meeting of the family meeting with a the where liberated from jail. i know so that the information they had now aside beeping and got the right to him in westbank. so all of these activities should be mitigated and prevented us stop it. in march 2023, the is the issue didn't arrest warrant for russian president vladimir putin. russia, however, is not a signatory to the court. and aside from the warrant, restricting fruitless travel, the countries that are signatories if basically faced no consequences. so can we isis, they really do anything to prosecute. non members, can anything actually be enforced of what you got on this time didn't force many of the core decisions on the device you're getting that conversation is in the

hands of the states. so, but if the input thing was invited, i know no one is actually dental ref. he might, he couldn't, he got to stop flying to south side for a guy or going to breast city because he said as of advocate, could that rescue him? and in fact, that's how big was present, but she's when i am diversity. and by super general side is he went to the show, he's pretty. but he had this case because the judge of i was, i think i ordered the redskins. so they had a resting, if they must come to get thing. but as the 1st question was, kind of just investigated? was bank crimes, as of the yes. got it kind of in the i'd be the opposite. the yes i read thing is a different matter. but my point is i just is doing what is to do and is very important, but keeping a little is it a lot of the thoughts can not be that further thoughts. so with that or they feel we are lacking is the commitment of the information of the community into the

bigger states to, to make it right. how about sort of pick the little look? said september at the un, my a sort of on provincial, a general side, the side of that think about 5 genocide ongoing in 2 months. so that's why they probably today this day the states have know the respect and the boundaries and we can see beneficial. we're not just giving individuals who can got that on west bang for an in, in, in a menu. we're kidding, sanitation, and why not just about ease riley's or a means or about a full be bill or the degree between c a, b, or dropping? yeah. in, in me a model, it's about the immunization. we're going to faster. so it's time to change the game . when he leave, it's not just a blessing to the judges. luis moreno a couple. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. the one of israel's responses to the october

7th, the tax was to promise to permanently destroy from us nearly 2 months after the attacks . the group that has ruled guys and for the last 16 years still seems to control large parts of the enclave. and some are questioning whether israel's goal is even achievable. and if i'm asked, would it be toppled? the question remains whitfield, a power vacuum. joining us to discuss this is deanna. bluetooth is around the low base lawyer and former spokes person with the palestine liberation organization. and highland, i'm getting the senior fellow at the middle east institute in washington dc. i wanna thank you both for joining me today. then i'm going to start with you since october 7th, israel has consistently reiterated about to destroy from us. it's estimated that from us has 30000 fighters at least, uh, and by these really armies own records in its own account. the air strikes me attacks of killed somewhere around $1.00 to 2000 have mass fighters, given the level of destruction that we see so far

a given the current situation on the ground is a military victory for is really impossible. you know, but that's not what they watch it from the beginning mark their idea of destroy him . us is code for destroyed casa, and anybody who's been watching those knows that this is what exactly what is real means. and that's why you see that the vast majority, 62 percent of those have been killed, are pulse any and children under the age of 18 and women. and so all along with their attempt has never been to destroy him, ask because they know that that's not achievable. and this is not just a minutes. it's not just a political parties, and it's an ideology as well. but instead it was code for destroy garza and that's exactly what it is that they're doing. but that's an important point salad. and it's something that very famous for now. they've been posted in historian on a sheet of valid. he said, he said, then i quote, a mass will remain as a political force whether these really is occupied guys, or leave destroy from mass as

a political institution destroying her mass as an idea is impossible, right? but why? well, the, the idea of how mass, of course is how much does the site make resistance movements are they haven't assignments, id, ology, but their primary focus is resistance resisting occupation repression a by, by israel. and so you'd expect that when you have a system of structural violence like an occupation which can only be maintained through a through violence, you're going to get violent forms of resistance. and that's, that's an you never ability. if it wasn't called how much that would be called something else, and it would be, have more or less the same way because those are the conditions that palestinians live under. that that's an important point. deanna and, and i get that at the philosophical level, but there's also a political question, very practical political question that we also have to ask, which is, uh, is there another party right now that could step into govern. even if

a mouse were to be defeated and i asked that question more to get a sense of what's going on on the, on the ground and what the, what the kind of political climate is. so i'm trying to get a sense of sort of what the possibilities are a. well, that's a great question mark. the, the, the problem is that there is no political party that's going to come in on the back of it is really tags. in other words, they're not going to come in and take over and rule or do anything. and garza based on what is the destruction that israel has huge on, on the gaza strip. and so instead, the question that we should be asking ourselves is, what comes afterwards that palestinians end up deciding not whether it is the united states deciding or israel deciding. but what is it that palestinians want? will it be how much? maybe, maybe they want out. it's not entirely clear, but whatever it is which ever group it is. however, groups may be more than one group. it has to be posted in lab and not american

driven, or is rarely driven or even internationally driven by capacity milestones. to finally get the ability to choose how it is that they want to live in the end and not based on is really dictates given what you've seen in which you're hearing a has come. i've seen a loss of support on the ground, given the destruction that we've seen at the hands of use really government, given the fact that some argue that, you know, some of it was foreseeable, has almost lost support. you know, quite the opposite of how soon is know who's dropping the bomb. so we know that it is israel who's dropping the blonds and that's not how may i ask, who's dropping your bones? and if anything people are saying that they're supportive of the resistance, that is the resistance, that's the only thing coming in the way between a, between israel and the complete destruction of the past and people are complete annihilation. why did they say that? because on october 6th, as you'll recall, the day before, there was nobody ever talking about about liberating health. so, and in fact,

the diplomatic community had dropped the issue so much so that, but everything that israel was doing was, was barely met with something called great concern on the part of the international community. if the choice was to die a very slow to where nobody is watching, which is what these relatives wanted to do, or to push back and to have at least the world recognized the mortality of these really machine product to. yeah, i mean, i think a, you know, i actually have a slightly different take i, i think israel is trying to destroy some us. i think they think that they can destroy on us. um it, and it comes from a, this, this notion like all colonial powers. they don't fully appreciate the grievances, they don't recognize the grievances of the people that they occupier rollover. and so they see palestinian politics is sort of an artificial construction. and, and these groups can be excised uh, in the same way that they were,

that they think that they were created. so they can be surgically removed from front of the other being so high, non surgical in their and their doctor obviously makes sense. so what would you, would you say that then the palestinian people, the children who are dying, the hospitals that are being brought up to sort of collateral damage that they're willing to accept or, or is it a both and situation with when to destroy from us and they want to destroy the gods history. i think it's about, i think they want to destroy from us and the gaza strip. i think they are operating on the basis of rage and revenge. still. it now, more than a week's in that has been to the primary motivator. so much so that they've given a barely any thought at all to what comes next. and we know what happens when you have a security vacuum and the governance vacuum. you get, you get violent groups of fill that void, you get a extremists, you get more radicalization. so it's not only in humane the way it is 0 is

conducting itself. it's actually quite stupid, if the care at all about their own security because it, it absolutely will come back to haunt them. to help me think about what the future looks like for palestinians. and as the associated press reporting that israel's offensive is turn the area into a quote on inhabitable moons scape, the u. n. estimates that 1.7 is a standing number to me. 1.7000000 palestinians. and guys that are newly homeless, even if a permanent ceasefire, would it be put in place today at this very moment to borrow the words one guys, and professor people have nothing to return to index. they've been mentioning the psychological impact that a siege has had an a complete c just having right now on the phone. the people of guys that uh, what will it take to rebuild? it will take more time and money and efforts than anything we've ever seen in the

context of the occupied palestinian territory. israel's actions are moving in a certain direction. they are moving toward the permanent displacement of that 1600000 palestinians. it said that it's impossible for them to remain in the south of gaza forever. right. is just too crowded and, and there are no services. and so i think very much, uh the, the ultimate goal is to push them out of gaza. and that's where the real danger is . daniel, what do you say? what does it take to rebuild as a and also who's responsible for doing it? who should be paying is israel? who's gonna end up? probably paying will end up being likely the europeans. uh, but who should be actually physically doing it is how sydney is wanting to rebuild our own places in space. ringback but what will god look like afterwards that this is the question that keeps many of us up at night, because we haven't seen the end of this. i remember a few weeks ago on your show,

i think was 7 weeks ago on your show. you had daniel yolanda on the show who very clearly stated that house and should be moved into the egyptian side opposite peninsula. in other words, what they are looking for is ethnic cleansing. they want to get rid of palestinians, but i do want to address something about the destruction of having us. i think that israel knows very well that it can't destroy from us. they're not looking for security. they're not looking for it at all. if they were the formulas there, but it's dead, they looking costly to perpetuate this so that it creates this mindset inside israel. that they're, that they're not say and increase the mindset in the outer world that they're not save as well. and therefore, more money flows, more security, more weapons, and so on. i think it's real noticeable, well, but it's what it's doing and it no spell well that it cannot just recognize that this is simply code for destroying garza destroying health students, enforcing his release to forever live under under the gun that have to be our last

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hello. i'm sorry for that. this is the news all life from the coming up in the next 60 minutes. the u. n. c. monetary and she says month. so there's very a tax on the gaza strip. i've rented the territory uninhabitable, causes alex the hospital is overwhelmed with casualties, as is where the strikes target civilians in the center and south of the strip more shuttle diplomacy the us secretary of state horizon. so.