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hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian, instead of going to the secretary of state, wrapped up his latest visit to the middle east with cairo as the final stop. it's anthony lincoln's full time in the region since israel begun it's war ongoing. so that's 4 times in less than 4 months. he says the conflict needs to end soon as he's cold on regional leaders to help build a stable, postwar owed up. but there's no sign that the goal is nearing it in the death toll on palestinian civilians continues to climb. that is where the leaders of stated that it will be a long campaign. we'll go to a panel in just a moment. but 1st here's finsen by the us. secretary of state is wrapping up his 4th middle east tour since israel began. we're on gaza nearly 4 months ago. as the blinking had 2 messages. the us supports israel, but more must be done to prevent post indian civilian death. we know that is facing an enemy that embeds itself among civilians who hides in and fires from schools

from hospitals makes this incredibly challenging. but the daily till once it leaves and gaza, particularly on children, is far too high. we want this war to end as soon as possible. there's been far too much loss of life far too much suffering. uh but it's vital that is real, achieve its very legitimate, attractive of ensuring that october 7th can never happen again as well. it is rarely occupied westbank blinking visit regional powers, including caspar jordan, the u. e and saudi arabia. he spoke of working together to build a lasting peace wants the conflict is over. but it's on clear when that will happen, or what role each of these powers would play is really prime minister. benjamin netanyahu has repeatedly warned along more despite lincoln's calls for a swift conclusion. at a campaign event, this past week us present,

joe biden said his administration has been pushing israel to wind things down an inquiry warranty, which is really government to get them to reduce and significantly get out of gas using all that i can do the quick and praise israel for moving troops out of gaza and transitioning to what he called a lower intensity phase of the conflict. but it remains on certain whether civilian casualties will be reduced with more able be allowed in or when displaced posting it will be able to return to what remains at their homes. i see in the us, israel is most important highlight, washington supplies it with arms, military aid and diplomatic protection of the united nations. the question is, how much leverage to us is willing or able to exert on israel to bring the war to an end. vinson monahan, al jazeera for inside story, the offensive this question at the end of that report and

asking how much leverage the u. s. is willing or able to exist on israel to end its will? is one that will put 2 on guests today with joint from kyra by side static. who's a political sociologist at the age of japan, you versity from new york, we're joined by chris hedges. for them at least bureau chief of the new york times of public surprise went on and off up and was it also joining us from montreal? but when rabbani has a co editor of our job aliya, which is the online magazine of the arab studies institute of a veteran, middle east alice gentleman, welcome to you. well chris, i'm gonna start with you 1st picking up on on sentence question. to what extent is this? well, at the moment, running rings around the us who really has the upper hand in the relationship and why? well, israel has always had the upper hand, not only in terms of this administration, but past administrations. remember when joe biden was vice president of brock obama was pushing through the around nuclear deal because really government led by net

and yahoo did not like it got himself invited to congress, essentially bypassing the white house to denounce the deal. congress in effect, has been bought and paid for by the v is real lobby. a biden is one of the largest recipient of aide from the israel lobby. he, it is a very powerful the most powerful foreign lobby in the united it states and politicians that run a follow of it not only lose support, but then find that lobby organized against them in the israel lobby has said that they will put upwards of a $100000000.00 to defeat candidates such as receipt of tele, who has been outspoken about the genocide in gaza. so it's an extremely powerful force that uh, that politicians defy where only, uh, and at this point, hardly at all,

given that kind of system of legalized bribery that defines the united states our electoral system. of course. then what are we to make a president bivens woods you? you heard them in that report. he said he'd been quietly working with the as really government to get them to reduce and significantly get out of gaza using all that i can to do that. he said he could end this today, couldn't date by withdrawing ministry 8 and threatening to withdrawal. diplomatic protection of the un. yeah. secret ended today, but he has no intention of course of ending it at all. we just saw with the south african the case coming to the court of 5 for genocide. the done on see ation of i think the blinking call that mirror unless one has to i, i spent 20 years overseas is a foreign correspondent. and my job was really to report off the ground, which was almost universally in defiance of the rhetoric coming out of washington.

for example, i spent 5 years covering the war and el salvador during the reagan administration. and they use much the same language that the, by the administration is using about guys a respect for human rights. while military regimes, you know, salvador and guatemala, were mass incurring people, you know, upwards of dozens of people a day while the death squads. now, salvador were killing, alarmed and backed by the united states for killing, but anywhere between $700.00 and a 1000 people a month. so that disparity between rhetoric and reality one has to look at what they do not. and what they say biden understands that internationally. this is certainly damage the united states and domestically because not only among, arab americans has his support fall and to below 20 percent. i think the last quote was about 17 percent, but also among the young voters. and it's

a very precarious selection of the polls. the while actually has trump ahead at the moment, but only by one or 2 percent, so each can't afford to lose that market. so that's why you see the rhetoric, but yes, you are exactly right. he could end us today. they have no intention of ending it today. they know very well what is real is doing. and this just to close this level of bombing i was in sarajevo during the war. that was 3 to 400 shells a day, about 4 to 5 data day, 2000 wounded, a day journalist by the way, were also targeted in the same way they are being targeted and gaza by is result. um, and that gives you a kind of a juxtaposition, the saturation, the level of bombing, we're seeing 100 so dead a day, just as a window into how savage this attack is. and it is really meant to me as they've been quite a front may cause uninhabitable. and the united states is well aware of that,

including of course, using starvation destroying sanitation systems. so the spread of infectious diseases. i mean, this is something we never saw in, in, sorry, what was bad as it was pulling her body. what, what do you make of, of what chris was saying? how badly of us foreign policy objectives in the region been hurt by its refusal to support a cease file that is continuing to offer weapons and political support? the israel? well, i think he's exactly right and identifying the fast this disconnect and disparity between stated policy objectives on the one hand rhetoric on the other and the action. so at, at one level, yes, you know, there is a lot of propaganda of the us claiming that it is implementing the policies that has adopted in order to promote peace and human rights and the rule of law and all of that. and that we can dismiss with

a wave of the hand. but when we look at us policy objectives, i think we should take those seriously. but here we see the vast disconnect between talk and action. and i would slightly disagree with chris hedges in the sense that yes, the serial lobby is very powerful. and yes, it does intimidate a lot of politicians. but in this administration, i think you're also dealing with true believers. you're dealing with people who don't have to be persuaded or intimidated because they genuinely believe in what they're doing and they are fully behind israel's military all slot. what is now being contested as a genocide at the international court of justice and the hey. and biden, blankenburg, work, and others. these are people who look at policy indians and perceive them as a relevant human scholar that need to be gotten out of the way so that us is really policy objectives can be met. but the other point i would make is, well,

there are genuine differences between these rarely and us governments. i think the more important point is that is real, can proceed in the full knowledge and with the full consequences that washington will not impose any consequences on his real, for pursuing actions and policies that contradict the us agenda and us policy objectives. and in that context, israel does have the upper hand. so going, what if anything to the secretary of state plan can achieve on this, his 4th visit to the region was the, the broad a strategy perhaps a damage control as far as us foreign policy in the middle east is concerned? well, it seems that every time uh anthony, blinking goes to the middle east. us influence uh, goes down a few notches and us credibility evaporates. because here you have someone,

for example, one of his main objectives on this trip appears to have been to seek to prevent a broader regional escalation of this conflict. while there's an obvious way to do that, and that is to end these really genocide and because of strep. but rather than addressing that, he came out in full force in support of what he termed israel's right to defend itself. he repeated all the tropes of our human shields and by doing and hospitals and schools and all the rest of it. and saw the essentially to blame everyone, but it is real for the regional escalation. well, knowing full well that the only reason other parties are participating in this conflict is in support of the past indians. and in order to end this genocide

and the siege. so again, you know, people look at what he says, they look at what the us does and they see a complete disconnect and find it increasingly difficult to take anything but blinking so seriously. because as the saying goes, look at what i do not at what i say. and then if i may also this this, you know, other phrase he constantly uses reducing palestinian civilian casualties. well, it would be useful to hear from what level of palestinian civilian casualties, how many bond and killed posted in children is acceptable to washington. so that we have a better idea of where the line between acceptable casualties and unacceptable casualties lies picking up on that side of sex. how much responsibility does the us have to bear for the suffering and the vast number of women and children killed by israel's indiscriminate bombing from the beginning of this conflict,

we have seen the by and then that many american officials attending the won't happen is so the us is not the new to the, it is of this was that this happening and it had provided immediately militia, the financial assistance of a small, even diplomatic. uh, uh, quote fiction at the un security council and on attempts to inform us the file. i'll have to use this fire that the u. s. has always been called. and so that people in the area uh now see the with the i can meet his eyes that this is not and is like it, but a student. what? because america does what i game is up at a studios, and so which one is where this is a tool that is being used at so cost to creep up in the us have now been explore.

this is off and leave it us is the to leave you my life is gone. people know, does not believe that the whole decision about the vision human rights coming from say it was true because we don't see that this has been applying for the front of seniors. but there is a lot in this conflict to be on the east coast because of the middle east with american support. and we don't want waiting to see what with the american to 80, the commission, the court of justice with the issue. i've only process to go to court for a ceasefire in canada, and the u. s. would be this wouldn't be such a owning at the you execute the cost of difference between the side. what will sacrifice type thing can have been told on thursday, in cairo, what will have a,

what will you have said there is in, in egypt and, and in georgia? is anyone listening? is anyone interested in us foreign policy objectives in the region? i think this is the 1st time uh, i think he comes to the area and you get the same saw. and he does been in the box just before he came, a, c, c, and the categories all them. and i've seen a sort of t shirt amount. the or it could be that they would talk to accept the people edition, hold up in the stimulus, picks it up and a still use the y c. fire immediate to expire. and this is what you want from the american, the, you know, to most likely, if the key is putting something up on this, or used to use the bombing. so we use a number of giving us all police had the mentions default. so this is the you, you,

people, if i'm repeating the same, the saw, the stand, then i could see, wanted to stop this was we can just look at the un security council and live incentive so many people because on his way, without any protection phone, does he sustain that too. i think at least like to be involved as a huge loss of as a maybe people patient if the median wall. but why this is an election you but they're not that speed. it is also difficult for anything. yeah. who wants to stay in follow and you know, is that people usually off to being good and so he doesn't want a ceasefire because he's fine with me. the end of his lien and maybe the whole isn't. so he wants to expand. and so what even the comfortable that the method doesn't want the expansion of this month, but you know, that was expanding the public, this is where that is expanding on in the places chris,

one of the state today is that the trip was the pressure states with influence in the region, not to a lot of groups aligned with a ron to brought in the conflict of how will that message have been received? why should is rails regional, they must be tasked with preventing a conflict, which as you pointed out and the site pointed out, the us could, could stop tomorrow by pushing, putting pressure on israel to, to, to stop the bombing. yeah, i think the, if you look at as well, if you look at it ran they've acted was incredible restraint given the specially the capacity of hezbollah to inflict real serious damage on israel. i don't get a sense that either his bottle or a ram once original or i think of course the arrow world is rightly concerned that this could spread you have is real carrying out targeted assassinations, not only against a moss leaders, but as bela leaders in lab and on,

you have the bombing of the airports in damascus. and a level of these are probably cations. uh and uh, there, there could come a point. i mean, i covered a lot of conflicts. just because you have of the states in the region. the don't want the conflict doesn't mean they can't be pushed over the edge. so on the one hand, i think that is probably sincere and they don't want a regional or on the other hand, i think as we eval mentioned, it's almost impossible for washington to restrain the hand of nothing. yahoo and we have had, is really military leaders talk about this war as an access i a x i asked that it's a, that it's not just a war against hamas, although of course, it's not a war against them off. it's a war against the policy and people, but it's also a war against hostile elements within the region. so yeah,

i find these provocations, quite frightening because there are, there are limits. but i do think that both the united states, along with the regional players, i'm and i think the one exception with the israel do not want to see the conflict spread of for nothing you oh yes, it is as, as others have pointed out that the longer conflict continues whether it's in gaza or southern 11 on the longer he is a constant power and i know b, b, i covered them. uh the, the power is the be all in, in the whole of nothing. yeah. which is why he's for the most extremist government and is really history made up of these ultra nationalist and zionist bigots that have smell errors of the on a top party out of america. honda, uh, who have long called for the total ethnic cleansing of guys. i mean one of the things that some fascinating about this are with it. assault is that the is really

leadership is quite upfront, that the genocidal rhetoric they use is out in the open not only in hebrew, but also in english when a printed spoke of working together with the regional, a lot like original ally as to what to build a lasting piece, of course it remains on korea when that will happen, or what role each nation is going to play it and that as we heard in our report, how key and do you think would regional players to be playing a role. especially if her mass is excluded. when the p a really end up running, does it, does it disappear, you have any credibility with anyone? well, as i understand um us intentions, the plan is to give a virtually unlimited supply of us weaponry to israel. to essentially wipe the gaza strip off the face of the earth and to then present the invoice for the reconstruction of that territory to, to, to the or of states. and this is clearly

a non starter, particularly because the 2nd element of that as, as you just mentioned, involves installing the palestinian authority into the gods extra to resume its administration of the gaza strip under his early auspices. performing a very similar role to that which it performs in the west bank, which is basically ensuring the security of israel's occupation and taking care of health and education and nothing else. i think the or states have made very clear that any role they play has to be an organic part of a credible political plan to resolve this conflict. and i think find that they need a credible plan to achieve the 2 said settlement. well, the problem here is irrespective of what, what one does or doesn't think about a 2 states settlement. you can have a 2 state settlement with other non to these really occupation. and the past half

century has conclusively demonstrated definitively demonstrated that neither the us nor the european states are prepared to adopt any policies. the challenges is rios occupation and imposes a cost on israel for prolonging its occupation. now regarding the 2nd part of your question, um no, the posted into sorely novel leach does not have any um try to deliver the and doesnt no longer has any capacity. it's virtually disintegrated in the west bank, particularly in the context of the present is really genocide. and the gaza strip, where the p a is either seen as a, as a power of a slack tater. whereas complicit going, i'm sorry to interrupt you to do it that time is against us on, on the program. i want to get a couple more questions in a side to the us and israel have any enjoying or then game. do you think this

construct a concrete plan? is rails stay today and of course, is to eliminate how i'm asked. it's never going to achieve that, but was it not? this is a deep wanted fox news. it is almost one essentially you just start of. so some of the fact that the carpet can last fall on the, on the, the, know the i solution in this, you guys, okay. i think, well, we all have some classes in the us know, and nobody about the menus are getting a lot of it. so this is very important to take into consideration, but they also get is that nobody has any solution on this. you'll get a lot of nations. remember, when many independent, well, many in good, good, you don't have to, can stop is independent c o saw it to your institutions. and here's the condition of the soft costs of that with the cable. and of course, if we have the you and, and voted, but to taking menissi,

the west bank and does not pull up any of those by allowing for election and things like that. this would be uh, the beginning of a solution you see easily and the, this with my but i know that you in to be involved with the international organizations because the wanted to keep this conflict copatrick this happy. it was a penny because the laws overtime have cuz i did that. maybe we are able to get to the cdns and have a really to joyce zion mistake in the 1st time. chris, we've got about 2 and a half minutes left on, on the program, coming back to where we started, more or less an on who it is, who has the upper hand and the relationship between the us at israel. i want to talk about that the yawning gap between washington's vision for postwar garza, about israel, is willing to accept. well in washington is well aware of that yawning gap. it's

not a secret, nothing. yahoo! and those in the government have been quite clear that there will be no palestinian state. there will be no 2 states solution in size. that is real will have a security presence in gaza. they are even talking about taking northern gaza and turning it over to jewish settlers. all of this, of course, is in uh it contradicts everything that washington says is a spouse's, but i just want to go back to the point. i think a lot of us have made and that is that the rhetoric is meant to modify the international community and perhaps to a certain extent, a domestic voters. but uh, the reality, you know, it is something not only very different uh it, but also the reality of israel's, and of this partnership between the united states and israel,

united states in washington as a full partner in this genocide and has proven it over and over again, so yes and other point about the blinking in particular being a true believer, this is correct. uh, but politicians are either cynically why not behind israel because they don't want to face the cost or he is real. has been quite a student placing figures like blinking. i mean, remember, blinking is, is the head diplomat. and yet he has been pushing through arms transfers, bypassing congress and telling people within the state department. all of them have been a protest that they can even use the word sees far. okay, the gentleman, i'm afraid we will have to end our discussion, manufacture date to hold of you for taking part side so that chris hedges and bullying romani thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the websites et al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can join

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