so the u. s. selections refusing to the action. not just give you a sense of what an easy target this places i'll just see, it was teams across the world when you closer to the fox. if the story focused on carries out, strikes inside yvonne as long as on says, it's in retaliation to attacks by paid off inside this country. those nations say that housing separate us groups, what might the consequences be? and can they be contained? this is inside story. the hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them, and ron and pockets on have launched attacks across the border and then to each of those territory both say the targeting on groups and used national security to

justify their actions and groups and the below to san region have been launching attacks and iran and pockets dawn for years. both governments accused the other of not doing enough to stop them. but these makes us, uni, latch for military strikes have raised the tension between the regional pals that could undermine joint efforts to secure the border will go to a panel in just a moment. the 1st defense and monahan has this report. the aftermath of a new reigning attack unpack, is donny territory to children among those killed law name. i did a lot, but around spar ministry said with targeting army groups hiding out in the border region. tissue out of hand, so i get to talk, he's done is on maybe the country a friend and i'll brother, it was not the target of your runs drones and ms solve. this is any rainy interior risk that has taken refuge in puppies. funny territory, the a pockets don's response came within 24 hours and attacked on uranium territory

pockets on spart ministry said it was also striking armed groups along the border this morning, focused on and it took a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision. military strikes against terrorist, how high adults and cis donald, but it was just on probing all feet on a number of terrorist or killed the block, just done. reading spans both countries. some are groups, there are fighting to gain independent homeland. others are demanding better treatment for sunni's in or on. as a tax has been carried out in both countries. and iran and pockets done have exchanged accusations in the past, but not enough is being done to fight armed groups in the borderlands. they're out of pocket, some folks that they respect each other sovereignty, but just to fight the strikes on grounds of national security. although relations between the 2 states and here recently cordial, the attacks, the res, tensions pockets, don's care taker, prime minister and iran,

foreign minister met at the annual world economic form in double switzerland just hours before the 1st strike and their countries. navies have been carrying out drink drills near the strait. the port moves regional powers, including china or cooling for com. now that both sides of the world strikes some hope that this may be possible, but they're also peers a further escalation. benton monahan, l just sierra for inside story. the we have a panel of distinguish experts on inside the story today in the whole pockets on ok . mother, she gives us a pre eminent textbook on, on groups and pockets. dawn has gone to some central asia and as a former resident until a little which is done and pockets. don's capital as lum above many. hello d is a veteran diplomat. i'm calling us for the door newspaper and websites. and joining us from my shop in northeast in iran is mohammed there on the professor of the university of paid on a very warm welcome to the program. most of the,

she's all stopped with you in the hall of the 2 sides even now that pox dawn has retaliated or does the pockets donnie strike raise the risk of escalation? the most of the problem is that the yes, there's an international dimension. this conflict with to just raise but what was being ignored very much by the media and by other experts is the, the, the local power that, which is much more complicated. for example, it's a fact that these, but each stage you're on and focused on that being bombing their own, such as a they've been bombing them in their respective countries, but the baby informing them themselves. most countries, the around in the box don have phase better, is read from within the below to community and they have failed to deal with them. they failed to win a victory against these extreme. in some areas i was above or below to both in the around $100.00 done on the terrace that probably the most was an ethnic group in

south asia. they've been deprived of education of development of almost everything and much of the approach it is a trying to get attention to the fact that they are being deprived rather go into slum above the massive demonstration of, of below to women who i, that would kind of sit down that in a bit too. so i gone to attention to the fact that their husbands and man relatives, that'd be missing. so many of these kinds of things as long as they go on in the wrong, it's the same situation. all right, let me put that to my he the low, the and as lama bob. by carrying out these vitale a tree strikes, i suppose, by pockets. dawn is boxed on attacking groups that are fighting for grace autonomy, or even independence from pakistan. is it attacking its own people?

as mr. rashid the saying, i think we need to keep the focus on what's happened between iran and buck a son, or we need to 1st acknowledge that iran fired the 1st shot as well. and created a situation to which park his son was compared to respond so many years. in fact, religion groups have had centuries on both sides of the border. at least that's been the accusation of one country against the other. and i think the surprise element was that when it on conducted to strike on focus on the territory, there was in fact a high level of ronnie and delegation in the summer, but, and focused on a new rod, were also holding joint military exercises. so several channels of communication were open between a stomach by the fed on to address this issue, which of course remains on resort and needs to be addressed. as i said, that i'm going to turn groups focused on that uses it on of providing centrally to

mention groups on each side of the board of a neutron. also accused is focused on off providing a haven for, or at least these are managing groups to be falling on the progress on the side of the board according to iran. so i think this unreserved issue is really at the heart of what has happened with what has happened has happened to focus on took up the bush, not to response to what it on had done. and i think now we're looking at to pause. i don't think it's in the interest of either the country to further escalate the situation or to inflame the situation. so we have to wait and see how and when the escalation begins to dig this because i don't think we're going to see any further escalation in this situation with several i didn't want to hear say to that. and what mrs. lote is saying is that they would many open channels of communication between iran and pockets on and yet, yvonne chose to carry out the strike on pockets dani soil,

despite cooling pockets on a friendly and a brotherly country. why didn't do that? the other 2 or 3 things here for us going back to what i had said is correct, that these, this area in pa kasanya wrong is more backward then other parts of the kind of these 2 countries. one reason is the american sanctions, by the way, because iran and pockets on we're planning to have a major gas pipeline and americans bought that. and so a lot of things that can be done between the 2 countries aren't being done in that makes this area that in a 2nd, is that a b this attack that took place on the from the right hand side? it comes within the context is randy use and ever since the genocide began in 1000, the war began. they've been mobilizing to retaliate against iran because they were on support for loss runs helps them. that's why they're able to build tunnels. i

mean have defense capabilities around supports. uh, yeah, i mean it's, of course, as one lot we all know that. and so israel wants to italy and they've been activating count groups in cottage areas and your rock, right. the rock is central government has less control and alongside the pa, cosigning products where the impact kasanya government has less is less governed. partially because blanca son has is focused on india and also like construct has problems were on his on the border border is a problem there. many focus on these would come to ryan for economic has wrecked economic because of economic problems. there's a, there's a long, large pa, cosigning community alongside the border here today saying mr. mirandi, the israel has groups that it controls on the border between iran and pakistan that it can off the computer. so then

a yes as well does start fun elements of isis. it does, it hasn't fund elements within the courage step for those groups. and it does fund and gauge what it has before a judge on how to is also funded by a countries in the persian gulf some countries. but that's ended. and i said his management has both our hobby groups that the funding has ended. there is nothing coming from any of the country and the persian gulf region anymore. as far as i know. okay, let me put really what you will say and let me put what you're saying to mr. rashid . what do you think of what mr. mirandi is saying? that as well, funds groups including jewish, all the other, and that they are acting on the hospice as well. and that's pockets. don doesn't have control of the security in below just on is, is that true, despise below, just on being one that's not the most militarized regions and pocket style as well

says me here. but at this time, it has become extremely, i'm going to try is because we didn't the below it's community there. uh, i think stream its entire as to the states has tried to wipe up. now that the, the problem is that, um, what you may need at the moment um, because both governments, eli and bucks on me to attempt same kind of peace and reconciliation with their own population. i'm not seeing the tool for many years. we haven't seen that being said, you'll see in box on has been going on for nearly 50 years in the wrong. if it's something similar to what you have bringing this to an end isn't it cannot be left to be as randy's or the americans or anyone else. it has to be the local governments, have to empower their own people and, and taking kindly development of such things so that the young people do not head towards the minutes in green road and miss low dave. mr. randy is saying that one

of the reasons that's below just on a so on the developed is because of american sanctions is that's the only reason below just on has minimal riches. it has gold and think, and oil and gas it provides around to half of the countries of pockets don's energy needs. and yet something like half of it cities don't have access to the natural gas as well. i think there have been problems up under development in brazil just on there's no question about that, but the focus on a federal government has been trying in recent years to address that issue. but what has not showed up is of course focus of gravy chrome, a crisis which is next, the country gosh draft. so i think there are many dimensions to this issue. but i do think this suggestion that focus on does not have control or below just on. i think it's preposterous. of course it has control of but it would just on but what

it is struggling against all the activities of sudden risk groups. and that's not unusual uh, along this border with it on as i said, both countries have had complaints made complaints to each other about the presence of middleton groups on either side of the border. and i think that is what focused on has been trying to respond to. but if we look at the current situation, i think there is a need, as i said before, for de escalation between focus on and to be wrong after all. and as i said before, these 2 countries had been improving relations in recent years. in fact, after the, so the iranian dropped or small, which as you know, was mediated by china that was advance foot in activity diplomatic activity between pet on and the style by then we'd seen in fact, an intensification of efforts to improve trade relations between the 2 countries now you know, all of that now is going to take

a backseat on to the 2 countries are able to re engage. remember one thing, the 2 countries have not suspended diplomatic relations. they recall that investors from each other's capital activity bucks side was the one that did that 1st. but diplomatic relations have not been suspended. and this, so there is room, i think, for diplomatic, this diplomatic space. there's room for the 2 countries to reengage, wants to impose calm down once the temperature comes down and i think that's what needs to be done as a bucket son, it's crucial ization the relationship with ron football consent as being a strategic combustion for obvious reasons. because bought his daughter has trouble with both of those with india as well as with the fondest, done, and therefore to have a normal stable relationship with iran had been to park most of boxes with docusign and remains so. so what i think is really perplexing and it defies or logic is why iran chose at this point in time to carry out the strikes,

not just against my country, but i'm also against it to the editor rock. and the time when did ron had managed to come out? if it's diplomatic isolation, it seems to have been you know, walking back into this uh, isolation in the region. well, let's put that question to mr. mirandi around. certainly being very busy over the last few days strikes in iraq on what it says is an, is really spied base and kurdish iraq and been it also carried out attacks and syria. it said on groups that are linked to iso and who are responsible for the attack and came on 2 weeks ago. can iran afford to be facing on another front? a holly ronda does not hiding august. i'm but i'll get to that in, in a moment. the strike on syria was not on territory announced by the syrian government. it was out of the territory as held by a terrace groups. it was the text on his stomach party which has members from

china, central asia, and it's a, it's very closely associated with isaac's. so the 10 government for it definitely be unhappy with the iranians carried out that it packed in, punish iraq. and this is an old problem and you wrong kind of carry down strikes before, and it's no secret that there are terrorist spaces there. international media does documentary is on if they go to those bases, they need the members of those parent groups and they often western media glorify or highest them. so what's going on in northern iraq is there's no, there's no controversy about it with regard. so what happened with pockets on as the previous guess, right, you said there was, there was a delegation in pockets on the ryans were not planning an attack. what happened was, as you know, we kind of series,

apparently the tax knew the pockets on the border. and when in 1100 people were killed, that was of course, i said, it said most probably israel a different group, but they came in through pockets time. not that the pockets the it is. yeah. by the extract, disappointing finish. the final point of this group was about j shortly as i was about to carry out. i know there's trying to gather in the 2 bases they were about to leave towards the board or the writings had 30 minutes to make a decision. the people in the field made that decision that we have to prevent this attack, otherwise it will be in, at the average the government has in collections and the few weeks we have complimentary elections. and people are very angry with the government. the name allowed a 100 people that video watch the people were killed into their minds. 11 soldiers were killed alongside the corridor a few weeks ago. so they made that decision. it was a tough call. and, but i think hopefully now the, you running government and the congress on the government will have to sit down

together really find a solution. ok. or they have to create a structure. so the terrace of smuggling terrorism and smuggling will come to that out there. and certainly both countries say that they don't want an escalation listed as she could. how much do you think in both countries play into the domestic audience? domestic pressures here with these attacks. mr. randi mentioned himself, the elections that are coming up in a, in ron b, ronnie and public is not happy about the worst attack on iranian territory. the one in come on 2 weeks ago since the founding of these lum it for the public and 1979. there was an election general election coming up in pockets found next month to i do think that this is a very important factor that is also be missed out on the both countries here on fox the uh, facing the same. yeah. in the account to terrorism policies so far, pockets on his face with terrorism, not as templates as done,

but much small in the northwest frontier province where it pays about playing a good ttp, which is a box on a palette binding true that is organized in atlanta is done across the board and. busy into the tax inside focus and the wrong i've had that as bait of a terrorist attacks the recently with, with new numerous people calling out various uh various people being accused of being a helping got to know the fact to both countries have not been successful. so far, and yes it is, it's appreciate to say this, but it is, and it has to be said that one way that they can die. but domestic attention on the eve of windows of elections and divert to domestic attention to precisely and include the fact that they are not winning the. busy or against

terrorism, and i think it's a very important fact to find here until governments and certainly governments of control of the region and the areas. but they don't have control in winning the war against terrorism that continues like hassan has been yeah, believe it in this aspect for re long time. thing back to the soviet invasion of a gun. it's done on the fly to refugees that came across that. so you're on time focused on and i've got a similar problem which then not yet be able to tackle jointly in a, in the, in a, in a more friendly manner. all right, a miss low, the, we have a runs revolution regard saying that it will launch large scale military exercises in the country, se nearby focused on do you think as long as i could see this as a provocation following these attacks?

you know, i think it's all about is reassured that once it has taken the action that it is degree, it was being that deterring any further strikes by iran. and in fact, focused on stripe into it on was also designed to signal to any other country which made contemplate similar action and tried to come into focus on a data entry. so i think of focus on is the right to confident that what it has done and it has done it in a very measured way in the video a proportionate way. but i do want to respond to what emma just said about buffy. sun ended on having similar problems, i think because of the 2 countries move dissimilar in how they have confronted some of the domestic issues. we in boxes, i do have an election. but that doesn't mean that the, the action box on took was meant to divert attention away from the election. quite the country of focus on didn't stop this fight. it was initiated by it on as you,

when know a and football cosigned to take the position that it did. and then to strike, i think was also designed to show the different job taught. the focus of ami was preoccupied with election duties, which of course evictions are only 2 and a half weeks away when they were mistaken. and the signal was very much the don't underestimate, focused on the ability and the means that it has to retaliate and retaliated did. but as i said before, docusign does not wish to inflame the situation. that is okay to de escalate. and i think we will see efforts towards de escalation in the coming days. okay, mr. veronica, do think that ron has got that signal? you said that this attack was carried out because they had information that they had half now to act on. what if they receive information again, that these groups occur planning another attack isn't going to risk inflaming the relationship with pocket start again at this point? well, i think 1st of all, we shouldn't misread the situation. the fact is that

a 100 iranians were account and they were all innocent civilians and they went as families. and many of them were women. many of them were children, died that one and 311 soldiers who were killed along side of the corner. they were young man, and we had a series of other showings near the pond cosigning for over the last few weeks. all of them, young man, all of them having families running government is responsible for the safety of ordinary writings at the same time the wrong wants to preserve the best of ties with congress on the 2 countries have to secure the border upon cosigned past to do more to secure inside the border, iranians have to pockets on in that regard. hopefully this will not be

necessary. any maneuvers in the south east of the run are in order to make sure that that areas sharon has nothing to do with the pockets time government. i think the 3rd parties that have a me that haven't best an interest in creating their vision dimensions between them . you're out of pocket sign and people make it emotional. but the fact is that the bond between iran and pa kasanya is very strong. and then as a terrorist will not be able to and their backgrounds will not be able to create it, divide, distract attention from gods. and this to the shade. when mr. miranda talks about how the 2 countries have to work together to secure this border. it's a 900 kilometer long border, very mountainous, very porous. or how can they do that something that they haven't been able to do yet? well i, i think it's premature to be able to fit, to even talk about the go to in there. so many attentions on the ground. the tension between states in boxes done which i hoping to get the at least pull

down in the next few weeks. and months that i had so both sides come together and deal with this in the diplomatic way. i'm but the i, i go back to what i said originally that i'm the, and this is going to be a more serious um, attempting to look at the deprivation of the below 10 votes either on hand and buck is done and improve the quality of life that they, they have or don't have a demo and you're going to get the s p 's areas. i think they're just done and like to notice from are going to be breeding ground for terrorism. and what is me is a strategy, a policy which addresses some of the local domestic issues and $10000.00. unfortunately, both countries are on. if i sign up, i'll be very good. and the slow date, they're saying that that is something that pockets on the government is capable of

doing off to, you know, 70 is of people then below interest on slicing progression, which wanted me, you know, i, i think it's, you should, you are completely mistaken in depicting it that way, there are groups there which i thought in sponsored, and florence supported, which are active, but by no means do they represent the mainstream of below what your opinion? oh yes, focus on does need to address under development. didn't go to just sound good. i think if we look at the focus on iran dynamic right now, i think there is, let's not forget that there has been intelligence cooperation between the 2 countries on dealing with dice. so both countries have a lot to lose if this, of the tensions continue. so i think we are going to, i mean i, at least it's my hope that we will see not just the escalation, but a serious effort by both sides to agree on the kind of border management that addresses the security concerns of both countries. or i just miss morales just last

year. we don't have very long left in the program. china is a close ally. both countries is urging was trying to see china playing a role in here or is it not necessary? i'm trying to click play a role. i mean, perhaps since, as from your previous guess, pointed out that cosign has economic difficulties, perhaps china, but their own interests could help uh create uh on the border infrastructure to protect the borders and helps prevent terrorism into my feelings. but i think that one kind of read says, this is true. iran for example, has trying to develop the country it's. it's a somewhat less leaning country anyway. but one has been under sanctions. some of the, as i said, some of the projects went with pockets on i've been gone right. sounds of americans belong to the economic to be economy. it had struggled in both the running pockets

on how to do more right in the summer. and ations unique is fine and i think the prime style feel better in gauge of society. mr. morality. thank you very much for that. i'm afraid we'll run out run out of time, but thank you to all of i guess with the sheet. and the hor lee hello dee, and as long above and mohammed the randi, in my shop and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website onto 0 dot com and prefer the discussion to go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x i handle is at a inside story from me, elizabeth put on and the whole team here, bye for now. the the latest news as it breaks the word along over

a 100 states has left many feeling life. you will never end with in depth reports. many saying that is no victory until all the campuses a go to the price. even if that means an immediate and from the heart of the story, palestinians here say destruction caused by is really forces is a form of collective punishment. and the israel is attempting to turn them against the resistance and federal tax upfront takes on the biggest cities of context to what is happening now. it is a complex 3 question, question of 5. upfront without 0, we know what's happening in our region. we know how to get to places that others tend all i want to die by the 28th on purpose. as far as the way that you tell the story is what can make

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