ethical tops, that's what would the concrete back on it's transition to democracy. but in december, so den objected to communicate issued by the blog regarding potential talks between the 2 leaders. it said no me to take place prior to the recept withdrawing from civilian homes and from cities. it took over during the conflict. god was the only regional block in the past few weeks, but has been trying to end the conflict into them. after talking did the fail to reach a ceasefire with finance government now suspending its membership, any hopes that those affected by the conflicts have for a diplomatic solution is also in doubt. he but morgan knowledge of era, how to him the us is experiencing a roy's and david 19 cases, hospital admissions, on the highest they've been. and nearly a year, christmas salumi has moved from new york as an arctic glass groups, much of the united states hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses like coven are on the rise in more than 30 states. we're all back on the trains in the buses. so

we're back to face to face contact. so yeah, people are getting sick. yeah, i would say cover is more or less a concern, along with influenza and rsvp death rates have picked up to the they do remain far below the co dependent mcpeak. the trend is the same in europe, in other parts of the world. we still have around $10000.00 deaths per month to, and that's the only data from the countries along those $10000.00 that's reported in december. more than half were reported from the united states of america, a 1000 from italy, fewer than 20 percent of american adults have received the latest cobit vaccine. however, i didn't get these ladies one because i heard days make it the sick and everything . health officials warren, that puts vulnerable individuals and health care systems at risk. here in new york, one see at the center of the coven pandemic, in the united states mask mandates have been reinstated inside public hospitals.

and for medical 1st responders, an attempt to slow the virus is transmission. new york has also launched a study of 10000 people to better understand cove, its long term impact on the body. we have a lot of evidence that law cove. it affects number a number of our systems, whether it's your undercurrent system, your heart, and your long as your brain, your blood vessels. um, but we don't know what the long term implications of that and longitudinal cohort studies like this one has been effective over time. as doctors try to understand the true impact of long term coded one thing is certain caution is still needed to keep the vulnerable safe. kristen salumi al jazeera new york. okay, stay with us upfront. coming up next.

what constitutes exempt? so we generally talk to a see, i want you to start with just the facts rather as to what happened as independent. we won't be in my want to we don't have to leave them in the policy and it's meant to get 50 percent representation and accountability benefits. no 1000 service at this point, but then you're saying you don't have any reports for that. i should just trust that unity often as i find the cool values to produce outstanding jen, this them out as the integrity in the pursuit of this. the october 7th attack. israel's leaders having both the historical persecution of the jewish people to justify israel's of ongoing siege of god,

israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu called from us as a massacre pope, the worst active anti semitic violence since the holocaust. and said that just as the world united to defeat the nazis, it must also stand united behind israel to the thief, a man. but as the dead told him guys, it continues to rise and some experts, one of a potential genocide. critics have started questioning this spring or jewish history and anti semitism being webinar as someone from the jewish community claim. that discussion is coming up and upfront. the giving us to discuss this is amanda barto is really american professor of holocaust and genocide, studies at brown university. stephanie fox, the executive director of jewish voice for peace and homework. but the political analyst and commentator and former deputy director of the american institute. thank you all so much for joining me. what i'm going to start with you of following semesters attack, both as rarely and western officials have repeatedly invoked israel's right to

defend itself. you as president items, anti semitism envoy, deborah lips that went further saying, quote, no one has the right to tell it is real how to defend itself. but israel's responses had devastating humanitarian consequences. space had the right to defend themselves within the limits of international law. but they also have to consider proportionality, where is the line between israel's right to the bins and the total that it's taking on the palestinian people? mark, i'll take it a step back and say, even before we get to the question of proportionality is to remember that israel as an occupying force and gaza, gaza has been placed under seats by israel for more than 17 years in which life and gaza as miserable people, there was no economy to speak of, half the population is unemployed. but most of the water that isn't garza is on drinkable and they don't have the right to have an airport for a seaport or trade with the outside world. that is their reality for gaza and

successive is really military operations and gaza have killed literally thousands of innocent people, including hundreds of children. more than 300 children in 2008, 9 more than 550 children, 2014. and so when we asked the question of the right to self defense, the most obvious question that's come up is do palestinians have the right to self defense and as an occupied people who are living under a brutal military occupation, there is no question that they do but obviously nobody thinks that how masses attack, which included tremendous harm to is really civilians that anybody could consider that to be an act of self defense. similarly, let me ask the question about that because there are people, particularly is, is really advocates who would say fine, the westbank is occupied, but israel moved all the troops. the settlers left in 2006. this is from us as issue if there's, if there's violence in dallas, if there's a problem and guys, it's not israel's occupation, it's, it's, it's on that's what you say is look and being an occupation of

a place does not just mean taking settlers out. because israel is literally in control of everything that goes in and out of the gaza strip because they're not allowed to function or have access to the outside world without as really permission. nothing goes into a garza without israel's permission. and nothing leaves garza without israel's permission. and again, there's, you know, if, if it's, if you're talking about israel controlling its own border or egypt controlling its own border, that's one thing. but when you say gaza is not allowed to have an airport. and god does not have to have a seaport that the last time a humanitarian ship tried to come into gaza to deliver some aid is really soldiers board of that ship and killed 9 people on board, including an american citizen. you can pretend that because it is a free place that is up for the people who live in a terminus future because it is under occupation. and that's the reason why the when and many other human rights organizations also considered garza to continue to be under is really occupational. just let me, let me bring you in here. many have pointed out that october 7th was the most lethal attack on jewish people since the holocaust one,

which is the writer. adam shats put it triggered the role as part of use. psyche, the fear of annihilation. can you help us understand the psychological impact of the masses attack us. listen, every single one of the 1200 is really is murdered by him. us that over $200.00 kidnapped are precious and secret, you know, on a human level. and as a jew with loved ones directly harmed, i of course, understand the desire to feel like the clock has to stop, to feel engulfed with the pain and horror of what are obvious atrocities and more crimes. but i think that when you speak about that sort of sense of triggering a core and sort of primal, jewish fear of annihilation. but that's not a new dynamic for us to be talking about in the context of the israeli government or it's suppression of policy. indians, right,

we have to understand the ways in which the, the is really government from its outset has been set on abusing the history of jewish suffering and using it to justify more and more oppression and dispossession of palestinians. and we've been taught as jews, the palestinians are somehow the rightful inheritors of the blame for genocidal european christian anti semitism in the holocaust while never deemed worthy of their own. and that the basic fundamental longing palestinians have for freedom in their own homes for survival in their own indigenous lands is falsely represented, is rooted in hatred for jews. instead of love for family love for community love for the lands which they belong, you know. and so i think that in this moment we see and twining in the intertwining of jewish trauma and palestinian trauma, that we have to start understanding both the way that that history has been

twined and intertwined. the way it's been pitted against each other and our responsibility to look at both and not the and european responsibility for the holocaust at once on there. you're an expert on a genocide and you have talked about your concerns or a regarding the response of his riley leadership to october 7th. you said that they're showing, quote, genocidal intent which can easily tip into genocidal action. you pointed to the fact that on october 28th, a prime minister, netanyahu said, quote, you must remember what i'm gonna like did to you. this of course, is a reference to a tar a passage where after surprise attack died, commands the jewish people to kill every man, woman and infant. that's a story where failing to eradicate the enemy nearly leads to a jewish genocide. that is to say the least provocative rhetoric. what do you make of it? what concerns you about it? um, let me, let me start just by saying the, the from us with uh on october 7th,

was a true parenthesis tag that could easily be defined as a crime against humanity and as it will cry. and the question you asked earlier about a self defense. i think every state has the right and often to, to the, for self defense. so the question is obviously the framing of it. there's a mazda, but um, so there is actually an issue of a major attack in which over $900.00 civilians were killed as well. as 300 soldiers often and atrocious way. so that is one part of the that we have to keep in mind and the sense of in security and that it's, it has instilled in the entire community and israel and the rhetoric that has come from as training political leaders. you've, you've mentioned that to the, out the many others as well as some military leaders that have echoes of

genocide it's, it's, it's actually sounds like an intent to carry out genocide. now the question is whether the actually doing it, and i mean we can go into greater detail my, my sense is that there is huge disproportionality between the ministry goes to the intro was to achieve, which is to destroy at least administrative for structural from us. and the number of civility is that it's a skills including it seems thousands of children, so on the far larger scale than ever before. so this indication of what kinds there's indication of trying to go through man and see whether there is a 10 genocide. i think we have not reached of point, but one thing has to be pointed out of israel has forcibly evacuated about

a 1000000 percent in citizen from the northern causes trip to the south. think of the street it's claims to do that. to protect them from minute to action, but the result is that you have no shoot congestion of people without the appropriate infrastructure. it just is winter assessing in the vast can be seen as ethnic cleansing, which often in the past in several cases, roughly cleansing, because actually led to general side. so this is what we have to watch out for and one against. and that's what i've been trying to do for me is to do anything for many of us that the human is ation of the language and the actions. and the idea of i nearly $5000.00 palestinians children have been murdered in a month. many more hundreds, maybe thousands tops stuck under the rubble of dying slowly while those who are dropping the bombs are talking about how these are human animals that use. like

i've talked about triggering a chord, jewish understanding of what is, what is the purpose of deeply dehumanizing language. and so many of us in the jewish community who i take the exact opposite left hand from histories of oppression, are pouring into the movement, demanding of ceasefire, demanding an end to the root causes of all of this violence. because we feel absolutely compelled to say, you know, never again is right now since october 7. israel said we're trying to get rid of from us fully with an internal government document uncovered by hebrew outlet shows that as early as october, 13th to these really governor was already considering expelling guides as population into design. i desert saying that doing so would yield quote, long term strategic outcomes for israel. one is really think tank said that probably on october 7th, there was quote, a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire gaza strip

of what the past 6 weeks tell us about is there is extra motivation to look. there is no question that the fantasy is really politicians mines is to drive all palestinians out because they always looked at the gaza as a problem that they don't know how to deal with. and if they sustain the current level of destruction and damage, but it's taking place full over the gaza strip to the point where it can literally no longer sustain life. you may end up in a situation in which to literally save the lives of people who are currently in gaza that you end up forcing them to basically leave in order to set up a quote unquote temporary living situation elsewhere. and then prevent them from returning. stephanie, you talked about context before getting it, some of the root causes that, that us to october 7th. they created these conditions. uh, other people have done that and they haven't gotten a great response. i mean, these really government was furious after you and a secretary general antonio gutierrez said that uh the tax buy from us did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating our

occupation with some is really officials actually accusing contender as of defending him ass active is expressing solidarity. palestinians have similarly been accused of defending her mazda despite the fact that only a small minority of actually voiced support for the group. and many, including your group had been accused of having a pro, her mouth sent to mit for asking to consider again the system of violence to by your words that let us to october 7th. what's happening here? how are these messages somehow being conflicted with support for from us? you know, it's critical that we understand that for palestinians, october 6th, october 5th, october 4th. and every day for the last 75 years have been a day of great emergency and violence. but in the time, even just in this past year, between january 1st and october, 7th is real, had killed $250.00 pounds spinning ends, including nearly 50 children programs were so frequent in the west banks that we as

an organization, we're having a hard time responding quickly enough, because really military, it bombed. do you need refugee camp? like we, you know, i've done this work for 15 years and i have never in my life been in a state of such a emergency over the past year of just constant horrifying violence by these really stayed by these really military by settlers working, locked in lock step with those forces to attack or press and violently harm and kill palestinians. and so he so readjusted to suggest that the mere mention of those causes in the mere attempt to uh, end violence is in fact somehow um, anti semitic. or somehow disregarding of our deep care for jewish less on their israel's un and baset are glad in dine, has repeatedly worn a yellow star of david like those that use the force to wear during the holocaust.

he's one into meetings at the un security council, but mainly say that comparing modern day is real, that the plight of using nazi germany is actually a false analogy. how do you make sense of those kind of competing narratives? well, you know, shortly before the from us it's a, uh, there was a program and the program was, it was in the, in the present in town and it was found. and it's more or less was according to how you define a program that is that there is a month that attacks and minority population and in a, in a certain territory. and this is what happened in the late 19th century and early 20th century to jewish communities. in ukraine and russia, and then when the mouse that's happened, then much of these really media cool about the pogo. and that was meant really to revoke those memories and to say, well, you see now we are experiencing what we have always experienced. it's as i submit

it gets in and they submit the content looks and there's nothing you can do. it goes other services and but to fight it the you can't talk with that i see much. now of course, it was not a problem because the problem is an attack on the minority. and in this case the, the whole point of son is that hope points of creating a jewess stays with in response to part of them. so the jews with have as out as, as honors and swords, a jewish majority stays with the army, would be jewish. the police would be judged, the government would be jewish, and therefore that would not be any problems. so quoting the, the attack of some ass, which was an atrocious terrorist attack. a problem is basically flipping things around. it's like quoting $911.00 and paul group, it was a terrorist attack, not a pop up. the same thing happens with genocide. i mean, i've heard people claiming that the, the amount us of talked with a genocide and now many people are matching in many cities saying that there's

a genocide in gossip, the being genocide of statements showing intent. and when you define genocide, you have to show any intense to destroy a group, a search. so intense is actually being shown through these statements, whether that is actually happening on the ground. that is whether there is intentional targeting of civilian population rather than indiscriminate bombing. the brings about the killing of large numbers of people, of civilians, of in a sense of it is that it has to be the basis. i'm not sure that is the case. as i said, i think clearly the war crimes happening, potentially crimes against humanity, whether it rises to the definition of genocide. i'm not sure, but i don't think and says it's math is a great deal, alma look at least me agree that genocidal intent has been expressed. now let's look at the actions and why they actually show you have

a situation in which i'm international about our reports, saying that entire families are being wiped out. entire bloodlines, multiple generation of the same family have been obliterated off the face of the earth. and when you look at the history of how many children are killed in different complex, you look at what happened to new crane. about 5, just under 500 children were killed and you were pregnant the entire 1st year of rushes warning frame. and what everybody acknowledges, included war crimes and massive indiscriminate bombing of, of ukrainian areas. and we looked at what's happening and gaza. a 136 children are being killed every single day. you are looking at a ratio of more than a $100.00 to $1.00 compared to almost any conflict that has happened in recent memory. those numbers are absolutely horrifying. and the extent to which half the housing units and all of gaza have been either completely destroyed or damaged. you are looking at a scale of destruction that if it has not stopped what will make gaza unfit for

human living. so the question for me is whether you called us a genocide or not will depend on whether you stop it or in time or not. however, it is absolutely genocidal violence that is currently taking place. that if it's allowed to continue, you are going to completely destroy palestinians ability to live and gossip. stephanie, anti semitic attacks have risen in recent years and since october 7th, we've seen a number of disturbing assaults on jewish people. there was a stabbing of a jewish woman in, in leon, there was a dag, as done mob storming in airport in search of jews at the same time, many have characterized cause for a cease fire as anti semitic, and have accused jewish organizations like a j, v p, jewish voice, a piece of being anti semitic. in recent years, organizations around the world have adopted the i h. r. a definition as the international holocaust remembrance. alliances definition of a anti semitism which deems speech against the state of israel as anti semitic.

a holocaust scholar amos goldberg, cause the h r, a definition catastrophic and says that the is really right, has used it to completely change the this course i'm gonna get your take on this also on this. what does that mean? which? well, it's how we have this truly orwellian world in which a march has happened this week. but supposing to be up against anti semitism, but it's actually a pro war valley that is headlined by the one of the most powerful anti semites in the us. pastor john hagi who has said that god brought hitler to punish choosing to drive them into israel and has been working for decades to bring about what he hopes will be a world ending apocalyptic religious war in the land. you know, it's how we have marjorie taylor green of jewish space. laser fame of all things. i'm starting the ball rolling on what would become the shameful censure of our only palestinian american member of congress proceeded to leave for fighting for the

lives and rights of palestinians. and israelis in equal measure, you know, so we have organizations like the anti defamation league, shutting down anti apartheid student organizing in the name of jewels. safety is insane. you know, we see them actually collecting their understood as somehow to be the data collectors about anti semitism in the world. but using that h or a definition and using their own slanders of admissions, they actually are collecting the, the incidence of the largest jewish protest in decades that are here fighting for a cease fire for peace there, there. documenting those as incidents of anti semitism. so we have this upside down funhouse mirror situation of intentional confusion about what anti semitism really is. and that is incredibly dangerous in a moment. when white nationalism and, and anti semitic ideologies are, are driving violence against jews. and again,

smartphones and people of color. it's essential that we'd be clear on what happens semitism is and on what it's not. i'm not our movements are fighting for a future of a freedom and safety for all people who don't so much. only want to jump in. let me, i'm gonna give you a chance to jump in and we'll just like to piggyback on one thing that's a the only thing that i think is really, really telling whenever israel's thoughts committing more crimes, there is also a rise and that they submit a tax and it is baffling that leading organizations rather than distance themselves from these war crimes insist that these war crimes are speaking in the name of the jewish people. that is just lunacy. it tells you that they are less interested in combining at this time. it doesn't, and they are more interested in running interference for promoting is really policy at this time. it doesn't is a very serious otherwise a problem in this country. and to play with it. these silly political games and to water down to that charge by linking it at people who are trying to defend human rights and stand up to our crimes, i think is, is incredibly dangerous. oh man,

you know, to is really profess is almost go good. whom you mentioned and i don't confess, you know. and then myself joining them actually responded to the ira. this initiative that has been used by the is there any government creating a separate definition that you're the jerusalem declaration on, on, on the 7th of that, removes those sections to try to say that any criticism of the state of israel is that they submitted. but the solution is being successful in being adopted by many governments, including quite a number of european governments. and it is a, with an ice ation by these ready government of anti semitism in order to defend itself from any criticism of its own policies. do you know i'm a story and so what i find most ironic about it is that the state of israel was created as a response to, as i said,

most of it was supposed to be the same thing would choose would be protected from other services. i mean, as i submitted a tax, andrews would, would no longer have any rationale to them. and the result right now is that just as israel right now is the most dangerous place for choosing the well, it's also the, the, the main cause. now for until you submit the contents, nobody should condone those that they submit a good tax. but i think as a law was saying where the state behaves in a particular way. and in the class itself to be the state of the jews. then this has a particular effect on jewish communities around the world. you could say that was most true because right now, as i said, that as an around the world is the conduct of the state of israel itself. stephanie, we seem jewish organization at the forefront of the ceasefire. moving in, are we seeing a growing diversity of opinion within the jewish community when it comes to israel?

i mean, absolutely. the the, you know, protest movement that over the last month speaks for itself. we have thousands and thousands of jews of all ages, certainly young people, of course, but of all ages pouring into the streets where, you know, the movement for palestinian rights and freedom of jews have always been a part of where and also we've always been a part of so many movements for, for justice and freedom, and we bring all of that history with us into this moment in which it feels like everything we've learned. everything we've fought for all of our lives must be brought to bear to end these as stark atrocities that we're seeing. all right, that's all we have time for. i want to thank you all for joining me. oh man, stephanie alma, thank you so much for joining me. it's great having a conversation with you everybody. that is our show upfront. we'll be back the

the situation in gaza escalates. we bring you expert notices. he's going to ask you that 20000 people, 70 percent of whom are women and children. these are the has destroyed. garza is a little worried when we see certainly civilians being moved, one from one area to another. and the area the reason for this is here. he is, is having life in cuz that becomes so heavy that the thousands are one thing and forced to fits in the i expect to be liquid where we sit, openly, health plan is so expelled, palestinians stay with us for the latest developments on our, which is eva, this is the 1st genocide that we see in the field. there's this disconnect between what we are witnessing on social media versus what we're seeing on mainstream media . the listening most covers have been used as president biden says,

one to 2 states solution for palestinians and israelis. but does anybody believe it's doable? what this is real for? i'm gonna say it back to us foreign policy. and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? a quizzical look at us politics the bottom line the . ready ready straight bottles and con eunice strikes snell. nasa hospital under the $78.00 indians, a killed taking golf as just sold be on the $25000.00 the money. i'm sorry, this is allen. is there a life or so coming on?

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