for schools that have bolted landings, many flights diverted to other airports and airlines cancel dozens of flights. local media reports around a $170000.00 homes, farms and businesses without power across the country. the definition of collecting a taxi might turn out to mean something different in south korea. instead of looking along the road, passengers might want to look up. the 1st flying taxi's due to stock coming passengers by the end of next year, units can, has been to go show them to see how testing is getting for this new public transport system and the scuff. as a rule, expands on the southern tip of the korean peninsula is a testing ground for public transport of the future travellers check in using facial recognition technology. this is a mock verity port, the gateway to electric, flying taxi's that take off a lend vertically. over the past 5 years, south korea has been building the aircraft and infrastructure in partnership with consortiums of its largest companies and research institutes,

coverage through the bold regulatory reform. the government created space with businesses and researches can spread their wings as we continue a partnership to develop more needed technology. so it showcase the latest advancements at a high profile of it. what you see behind me is v. o have be optionally piloted personnel air vehicles south korea's answer to the air attack. it's 1st public test flights, marx, a miles that of source for the country that's aiming to launch the flying taxi's. as early as a year 2025 division is an automated aerial public transport system, connected by a network of vertical docking ports on roof tops. high above the congested roads below. more than half the population, about 26000000 people live in the greater so metropolitan area. but analysts say urban air mobility vehicles or you am come with their own challenges. most has even,

we need to finish will hourly operating costs for flying and you am will be quite high. so the come on will need to convince the public of that fi ability before you am can actually become an accepted mode of public transport. and that's profitable . within a short timeline to this line taxi will advance do in city testing later this year . you know skim, alda 0 coolant, south korea. all right, that's it from me down. jordan. so now you can find much more news on our website. obviously we'll go from there, it is on your screen upfront. this next statement, thanks to watching the on causing the cost more than $100.00 days into the bowl on does that. the humanitarian to trust retreat is deepening. as the concept continues, the cost to the is really economy is in all of us. plus some taiwan is view president to bring peace and prosperity to the i'm counting the cost on al jazeera

this the october 7th attack. israel's leaders having both the historical persecution of the jewish people to justify israel's of ongoing siege of god is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu called from us as a massacre pope. the worst act of anti semitic violence since the holocaust and said that just as the world united to defeat the nazis, it must also stand united behind israel to defeat from mass. but as the dead, poland guys that continues to rise in some exports wonderful potential genocide. critics have started questioning this spring or jewish history and anti semitism being webinar as someone from the jewish community claim. that discussion is coming up and upfront the telling us to discuss this is amanda barto and is really american professor of holocaust and genocide, studies at brown university, stephanie fox,

executive director of jewish voice for peace and homework. but the political analyst and commentator and former deputy director of the american institute. thank you all so much for joining me. and i'm going to start with you of following masses attack. both is rarely and western officials have repeatedly invoked israel's right to defend itself. us president biden's anti semitism on void deborah lips that went further saying, quote, no one has the right to tell it is real how to defend itself. but israel's responsive head, devastating humanitarian consequences. states have the right to defend themselves within the limits of international law. but they also have to consider proportionality, where is the line between israel's right to the bins and the total that it's taking on the power sending people mark. i'll take it a step back and say, even before we get to the question of proportionality, is to remember that israel as an occupying force and gaza, gaza has been placed under seats by israel for more than 17 years in which life and gaza as miserable people there was no economy this because half the population is

unemployed. but most of the water that isn't gaza is on drinkable and they don't have the right to have an airport for a seaport or trade with the outside world. that is the reality for garza and successive is really military operations and gaza have killed literally thousands of innocent people, including hundreds of children. more than 300 children in 2008, 9 more than 550 children in 2014. and so when we asked the question of the right to self defense, the most obvious question that should come up is to palestinians have the right to self defense. and as it occupied people who are living under a brutal military occupation, there is no question that they do. but obviously nobody thinks that how mass is attack, which included tremendous harm to is really civilians that anybody could consider. that to be an act of self defense. similarly, let me ask the question about that because there are people, particularly is, is really advocates who would say fine, the westbank is occupied, but israel moved all the troops. the settlers left in 2006.

this is from us as issue if there's, if there's violence in dallas, if there's a problem and guys, it's not israel's occupation, it's, it's on. that's what he said. it was look and being an occupational place does not just mean taking settlers out because israel is literally in control of everything that goes in and out of the gaza strip because they're not allowed to function or have access to the outside world without as really permission nothing goes into a garza without israel's permission, and nothing leaves garza without israel's permission. and again, there is, you know, if, if it's, if you're talking about israel controlling it's on border or egypt controlling, it's on the border. that's one thing. but when you say gaza is not allowed to have an airport and god does not have to have a seaport that the last time a humanitarian ship tried to come into gaza to deliver some aid is really soldiers board of that ship and killed 9 people on board, including an american citizen. you can pretend that because it is a free place that is up for the people who live in a terminus future because it is under occupation. and that's the reason why the

when and many other human rights organizations also considered garza to continue to be under is really occupational. just let me, let me bring you in here. many have pointed out that october 7th was the most lethal attack on jewish people since the holocaust one, which is the writer, adam she has put it triggered the role as part of use. psyche, the fear of annihilation. can you help us understand the psychological impact of the masses? attack us. listen, every single one of the 1200 is really is murdered by him. us the over $200.00 kidnapped are precious and sacred, you know, on a human level. and as a jew with loved ones directly harmed, i of course, understand the desire to feel like the clock has to stop, to feel engulfed with the pain and horror of what are obvious atrocities and work crimes. but i think that when you speak about that sort of sense of tree green,

a core and sort of primal, jewish fear of annihilation. but that's not a new dynamic for us to be talking about in the context of the israeli government or a suppression of palestinians. right? we have to understand the ways in which these really government, from its outset has been set on abusing the history of jewish suffering and using it to justify more and more oppression and dispossession of palestinians. and we've been taught as jews, the palestinians are somehow the rightful inheritors of the blame for genocidal european christian anti semitism in the hollow cost while never deemed worthy of their own. and that the basic fundamental longing palestinians have for freedom in their own homes for survival in their own indigenous lands is falsely represented, is rooted in hatred for jews. instead of love for family love for community love for the lands which they belong,

you know. and so i think that in this moment we see and twining in the intertwining of jewish trauma and palestinian trauma, that we have to start understanding goals the way that the history has been twins and intertwined. the way it's been pending against each other and our responsibility to look at both and not the and european responsibility for the holocaust at once on there. you're an expert on genocide and you have talked about your concerns or a regarding the responsive is rarely leadership to october 7th. you said that they're showing, quote, genocidal intent which can easily tip into genocidal action. you pointed to the fact that on october 28th, a prime minister, netanyahu said, quote, you must remember what i would like did to you. this of course, is a reference to a tar a passage where after surprise attack died, commands the jewish people to kill every man, woman and infant. that's

a story where failing to eradicate the enemy nearly leads to a jewish genocide. that is to say the least provocative rhetoric. what do you make of what concerns you about it? or? um, let me, let me start just by saying the, the from us with uh, on october 7th, was a true parenthesis tag that could easily be defined as a crime against humanity and as it will cry. um. and the question you asked earlier about self defense? i think every state has a right and often to, to the, for self defense. so the question is obviously the framing of it. there's so much to but um, so there is actually an issue of a major attack in which over $900.00 civilians were killed as well as $300.00 soldiers often and atrocious way. so that is one part of the that we have to keep

in mind. and the sense of in security and that it's, it has instilled in the entire community and israel and the rhetoric that has come from as training political leaders. you've, you've mentioned that to the, out the many others as well as some military leaders have echoes of genocide. it's, it's, it's actually sounds like an intent to carry out genocide. now the question is whether the actually doing it, and i mean we can go into greater detail my, my sense is that there is huge disproportionality between the ministry goes to the intro was to achieve, which is to destroy at least administrative for structural from us. and the number of civility is that it's a skills including it seems thousands of children, so on the far larger scale than ever before. so this indication of what kinds there's indication of trying to go through man and see whether there is

a 10 genocide. i think we have not reached of point, but one thing has to be pointed out of israel has forcibly evacuated about a 1000000 put a sent in citizen from the northern god. this trip to the south. think of the street. it's claims to do that. to protect them from military action, but the result is that you have no shoot congestion of people without the appropriate infrastructure. it just is winter assessing in the vast can be seen as ethnic cleansing, which often in the past in several cases, roughly cleansing, because actually led to genocide. so this is what we have to watch out for and one against. and that's what i've been trying to do for me is to do anything from many of us that the human is ation of the language and the actions. and the idea of i

nearly $5000.00 palestinians children have been murdered in a month. many more hundreds, maybe thousands tops stuck under the rubble of dying slowly while those who are dropping the bombs are talking about how these are human animals that use. like i've talked about triggering a chord, jewish understanding of what is, what is the purpose of deeply dehumanizing language. and so many of us in the jewish community who i take the exact opposite left hand from histories of oppression, are pouring into the movement, demanding of ceasefire, demanding an end to the root causes of all of this violence. because we feel absolutely compelled to say, you know, never again is right now since october 7. israel said we're trying to get rid of a mass fuller with an internal government document uncovered by hebrew outlet shows that as early as october 13th are these really governors already considering a spelling guys as population into design. i desert saying that doing so would

yield quote, long term strategic outcomes for israel. one is really think tank said that probably on october 7th, there was quote, a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire gaza strip of what the past 6 weeks tell us about is those extra motivations here? look, there is no question that the fantasy and it's really politicians mines is to drive all palestinians auto because they always looked at gaza as a problem that they don't know how to deal with. and if they sustain the current level of destruction and damage, but it's taking place full over the gaza strip to the point where it can literally no longer sustain life. you may end up in a situation in which to literally saved the lives of people who are currently in gaza that you end up forcing them to basically leave in order to set up a quote unquote temporary living situation elsewhere. and then prevent them from returning. stephanie, you talked about context before getting it some of the root causes that got us to october 7th. they created these conditions. uh,

other people have done that and they haven't gotten a great response. i mean, these really government was furious after you and a secretary general antonio butera said that the text back from us did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating our occupation with some is really officials actually accusing contender as of defending him ass active is expressing solidarity. palestinians have similarly been accused of defending her mazda despite the fact that only a small minority of actually voice support for the group. and many, including your group had been accused of having a pro, her mouth, sent them it for asking to consider again the system, a violence of all your words that let us to october 7th. what's happening here? how are these messages somehow being conflicted with support for from us? you know, it's critical that we understand that for palestinians, october 6th, october 5th, october 4th. and every day for the last 75 years have been

a day of great emergency and violence. but in the time, even just in this past year, between january 1st and october 7th, israel had killed $250.00 pounds of citizens, including nearly 50 children programs were so frequent in westbank that we as an organization, we're having a hard time responding quickly enough because really military, it bombed, do you need refugee camps like we, you know, i've done this work for 15 years and i have never in my life been in a state of such a emergency over the past year of just constant horrifying violence by these really stayed by these really military, by settlers working locks in lock step with those forces to attack or press and violently harmond kill palestinians. and so it's outrages to, to suggest that the mere mention of those causes the mere attempt to end violence is in fact somehow um,

anti semitic. or somehow disregarding of our deep care for jewish less on their israel's un and baset are glad in dine, has repeatedly worn a yellow star of david like those that use the force to wear during the holocaust. he's wanting to meeting that the un security council, but many say that comparing modern day is real, that the plight of use and nazi germany is actually a false analogy. how do you make sense of those kind of competing narratives? well, you know, shortly before the, from us at the, uh, there was a program and the program was, it was in the, in a person in town and it was found. and it's more or less was according to how you define a program that is that there is a month that a tax and minority population in, in a, in a certain territory. and this is what happened in the late 19th century and early 20th century, to jewish communities and ukraine and russia. then when the mouse has happened,

the much of these really media quoted, the pogo and that was meant really to revoke those memories and to say, well, you see now we are experiencing what we have always experienced. it's, as i submit it gets an answer. i submit that content up and there's nothing you can do. it goes other services and, but to fight it the if you can talk with that i see months now of course it was not a problem because the problem is an attack on the minority. and in this case, the, the whole point of science and that hope points of creating a jewish faith with in response to part with them. so the jews would have as out as, as honest. and so as a judge, majority states where the army would be jewish, the police would be jewish, the government would be jewish, and therefore that would not be any part of. so quoting the, the type of some ask, which was an atrocious terrorist attack. a problem is basically flipping things around. it's like quoting $911.00 and pogo, it was a terrorist attack, not

a pop up. the same thing happens with genocide. i mean, i've heard people claiming that the, the amounts of talk with a genocide and now many people matching in many cities think that there's a genocide in gossip to being genocide, the statements showing intent. and when you define genocide, you have to show an intense to destroy a group, a search. so intense is actually being shown through these statements. whether that is actually haven't been able to grow. that is whether there is intentional targeting of civilian population rather than indiscriminate bombing that brings about the killing of large numbers of people, of civilians of innocence. if it is that it has to be the basis, i'm not sure that is the case. as i said, i think clearly the war crimes happening potentially crimes against humanity,

whether it rises to the definition of genocide. i'm not sure, but i don't think in the says it's math is a great deal. alma look at least, may agree that the intent has been expressed. now let's look at the actions and when they actually show you have a situation in which time is international about our reports, saying that entire families are being wiped out. entire bloodlines, multiple generation of the same family have been obliterated off the face of the earth. and when you look at the history of how many children are killed in different complex, you look at what happened in ukraine. about 5, just under $500.00 children were killed and ukraine in the entire 1st year of russia's warning crane. and what everybody acknowledges. included war crimes and massive indiscriminate bombing of, of ukrainian areas. and when you look at what's happening in gaza, a 136 children are being killed every single day. you are looking at a ratio of more than a $100.00 to $1.00, compared to almost any conflict that has happened in recent memory. those numbers

are absolutely horrifying and the extent to which half the housing units and all of gaza have been either completely destroyed or damaged. you are looking at a scale of destruction that if it has not stopped, what will make gaza unfit for human living. so the question for me is whether you call this a genocide or not will depend on whether you stop it or in time or not. however, it is absolutely genocidal violence that is currently taking place. that if it's allowed to continue, you are going to completely destroy house names, ability to live and gossip. stephanie, anti semitic attacks have risen in recent years and since october 7th, we've seen a number of disturbing assaults on jewish people. there was a stabbing of a jewish woman in, in leon, there was a dag, is done mobs storming in airport in search of jews at the same time. many have characterized cause for cease fire as an anti semitic and have accused jewish organizations like a j, v. p,

jewish voice or piece of being anti submitted in recent years, organizations around the world have adopted the i h. r a definition as the international. how the costs, remembrance alliances. definition of a anti semitism which deems speech against the state of israel as anti semitic. a holocaust scholar amos goldberg cause the h r, a definition catastrophic and says that the is really right, has use it to completely change the discourse. i'm gonna get your take on this also on this. what does that mean? well, it's how we have this truly orwellian world in which march has happened this week that supposing to be up against anti semitism. but it's actually a pro war valley that is headlined by the one of the most powerful anti semites in the us pastor john hagi who had said that god brought hitler to punish choosing to drive them into israel and has been working for decades to bring about what he hopes will be a world ending apocalyptic religious war and the land you. 2 it's how we have

marjorie taylor green of jewish space, laser fame of all things. i'm starting the ball rolling on what would become the shameful censure of our only palestinian american member of congress proceeded to live for fighting for the lives and rights of palestinians, and israelis. in equal measure, you know, so we have organizations like the anti defamation league, shutting down anti apartheid student organizing in the name of do a safety is insane. you know, we see them actually collecting their understood as somehow to be the data collectors about anti semitism in the world. but using that, i already definition and using their own slanderous definitions, they actually are collecting the, the incidence of the largest jewish protest in decades that are here fighting for a cease fire for peace there, there. documenting those as incidents of anti semitism. so we have this upside down

funhouse mirror situation of intentional confusion about what anti semitism really is. and that is incredibly dangerous in a moment. when white nationalism and, and, and anti semitic ideologies are, are driving violence against jews and against most firms. and people of color, it's essential that we'd be clear on what after semitism is and on what it's not. and then our movements are fighting for a future of a freedom and safety for all people. so my only want to jump in, let me, i'm gonna give you a chance to jump in and we'll just by to pick it back on. one thing that stephanie was saying that i think is really, really telling whenever israel's thoughts committing more crimes, there is also a rise. and that is america tax. and it is baffling, the leading organization rather than distance themselves from these war crimes insist that these war crimes are speaking in the name of the jewish people. that is just lunacy. it tells you that they are less interested in combining at the time. it has them and they are more interested in running interference for promoting is really policy at this time. it does, it is

a very serious and rising problem in this country and to play with it. these silly political games and to water down to that charge by playing it at people who are trying to defend human rights and stand up to our crimes, i think is, is an incredibly dangerous. oh, man, you know, to is really profess is almost goldberg whom you mentioned and i don't confine, you know. and then myself joining them actually responded to the ira. this initiative that has been used by the is there any government um creating a separate the technician that you're the jerusalem declaration on, on, on the 7th, as of that, remove those sections to try to say. but any criticism of the state of israel is that they submitted, but the solution is being successful in being adopted by many governments, including quite a number of european governments. and it is a, with an ice ation by these ready government of anti semitism in order to defend

itself from any criticism of its own policies. you know, i'm a story and so what i find most ironic about it is that the state of israel was created as a response to, as i said, most of it was a those to be the states and would choose would be protected for a month. i services, i mean, as i, somebody could tax andrews would, would no longer have any russia now to them. and the result right now is the just is israel right now is the most dangerous place for choosing the well, it's also the, the, the main cause. now for anti semitic attacks, nobody should condone those that they submit a good tax. but i think as a model is saying where the state behaves in a particular way. and in the class itself to be the state of the jews. then this has a particular effect on jewish communities around the world. you could say that what most triggers right now, as i said,

that as an around the world is the conduct of the state of israel itself. stephanie, we've seen jewish organization at the forefront of the ceasefire movement. are we seeing a growing diversity of opinion within the jewish community when it comes to israel? i mean, absolutely. the the, you know, protest movement that over the last month speaks for itself. we have thousands and thousands of jews of all ages, certainly young people, of course, but of all ages pouring into the streets were, you know, the movement for palestinian rights and freedom of jews have always been a part of where and also we've always been a part of so many movements for, for justice and freedom. and we bring all of that history with us into this moment in which it feels like everything we've learned. everything we've fought for all of our lives must be brought to bear to end these as far as the atrocities that we're seeing. all right, that's all we have time for. i want to thank you all for joining me. oh man, stephanie alma, thank you so much for joining me. it's great having

a conversation with you everybody. that is our show upfront. we'll be back the the situation in gaza escalate. we bring you expert notices. he's going to ask you that 20000 people, 70 percent of whom are women and children. these are the has destroyed garza is a little worried when we see certainly civilians being moved, one from one area to another and the area there. so the reason for this is here he is, is having life and it has become so heavy that the thousands are one thing and forced to fits in the i expect to be liquid. when he said openly, health plan is so expelled, palestinians stay with us for the latest developments on our president biden

says $1.00 to $2.00 state solution for palestinians and israelis. but does anybody believe it's doable? what this is real for? i'm gonna say it back to us foreign policy and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? a quizzical look at us politics. the bottom line siren sounds as ambulances from across the main island of when she race to rescue people in need. suddenly, a warning to help. there was a 5.5 magnitude tremor nearby. we finally arrived at north coast some 30 kilometers south of the epicenter of that point where many elderly people called home. they tell us they were simply shocked at the level of destruction. with so many structures needing to be. in susie with one of the highest casualty, counts supplies are so low and it's feared many people are still waiting for rescue .

the this is really strikes. i'm showing continue to pound on eunice and southern guns. the hello, i'm darn jordan. this is how does it run nice though? so coming up, hospitals and southern gaza all overwhelmed with a number of injured and terrified products to man seeking shelter. repulse of us intelligence agencies say is right, is pulling far short of it to goals of destroying how much especially in manchester, new hampshire, we're just p's before the primary.