the torture full types of georgia, it was unbelievable that they would visit us with the bucks of their guns on our heads. 5 soldiers speeding poor. we've been before record occupied. i mean prison outages in the risk of farming is growing in does have more than half a 1000000 people are facing catastrophic food and security because of as well as for an siege. that's the stop warning from the world food program and other un agencies. so is israel using food deprivation as a war tactics? this is inside story. the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian. instead of going to survive, i got a wall that has killed more than $25000.00 people. and injured 63000 in guns. that

is not just a matter of avoiding israel's bones, bullets and brutality. survival for 2300000 palestinians under siege and under attack, also means finding enough food to eat. a crisis of unprecedented scale is looming, according to the un, with every one of guns, a risk of food and security in the next few weeks. a mass of cold for the area to be declared a fireman's own. well as well claims there is enough food. so what's really happening and what needs to be done is the crisis we'll be discussing. hold of this more with our guest in just a moment, but 1st not a problem accepted as this report on why many people in gaza, a hungry a desperate cry for help, for the most basic of human needs. when palestinians i'm looking for shelter from east really drones and rockets, they are searching the essentials for survival, food, and clean water within 2000000 people in gaza. and that is really

a take and seat facing what the united nations is cooling, catastrophic hunger. there's no, no, no, no, no, i mean, i regret to say we're not on the verge of famine. the real sam and rice is almost most of some talk about it is the 2nd was the basic food item to flour. if we run lots of rice will be consumed assembled, this is the hush we had a ton of agencies trying to deliver 8 across guys, a se, israel's unrelenting bombardment, hinges them from doing so. and nearly 3 quarters of a request to into our rejected israel. such as old deliveries it permits into the territory. this causes major denise, well some 8 doesn't get through at all. and they want to go boys, that on the 11th and the 15th of january. and cutting 200 tons of wood 415000 people. 15000 people, that's really a very, very small numbers. and this is why we're seeing people become

a lot of that for i think in patient to wait for distribution because because that is part of it. they don't get to fit funds in the confidence that these, that these come voice. what is the comedy? israel says it is allowing 8 and there's enough food and accuses 8 agencies of lying and creating falls narrative to allegations of deliberate. it says to stuff, palestinians, and guys over time is that the core of south africa's genocide lawsuit that is being considered in the international court of justice in the heat. more than 25000 palestinians have been killed in the school. gaza has been under siege and is rarely a tech for nearly 2 decades. the world bank and world health organization set before the war, nutritional deficiencies and associates of health problems with wide straight into strip. with pregnant women and innocence, particularly effective. the world has listened to the situation with food and alpha . most skiffs and expenses of the prices are unimaginable. one kilo of

this bad quality wheat flour is 1012 shekels sets up from 3 in the past. for a much better quality, half of this flour is unusable. imagine that even before the war and when people had salaries, the situation was already untenable. people were suffering right now. it's many, many, many times before the war has brought to misery for people in gaza. those who've survived, as well as a text, so fall face a daily battle to find food for themselves and the families. my live it much, it the alta 0 for inside story a will for those suffering from hunger in cause a legal definitions. i know exactly what they'll be thinking about right now, but what actually defines of funding? well, according to the integrated food security phase, classification of food security, nutrition, and mortality, a rule consider the threshold is reached when at least 20 percent of households in an area facing extreme food shortages with limited ability to change the

circumstances. about one out of 3 children in the population acutely malnourished. and when there's at least 2 people dying per day for every $10000.00 inhabitants due to salvation malnutrition and disease. optical age of the room, statutes of the international criminal court states that intentionally using the salvation of civilians as a method of wolf by impeding relief supplies is a little crime. so let's bring it down. guests from sullivan will massachusetts, in the us were joined by alex deval, who is the author of mass starvation, an authoritative history of martin simons. he's analyzed food deprivation as a crime. and research forced to starvation as an instrument of genocide and war from also with joined by mad skilled with a doctor of emergency medicine with long experience of working and guns of health sector, including during previous is really bump, bump months and from best to have in the occupied westbank we're joined by rehab

jaffar, if there's the communication and advocacy coordinator for action aid, palestine a. welcome to you all alex, let's start with you. what does the word from it actually made in practical terms and can it be applied to what we're seeing right now in gaza? you just gave the the correct definition as it developed by international humanitarian agencies over the last 20 years. and under the definition of concert is on the brink of farm. and in fact, you may already be descending in into a problem in conditions and, and certainly it's a pies here all muslims time. and so essentially back, so political or military decision, either deliberate or rep plus reckless meaning that the, those in charge know that they are producing a mess, hunger, and starvation,

and through hunger and disease and continue on regardless, even if it is not the state should policy to cause death through starvation, the functions of finality triggered by this fight to not by natural calamity. alex with a declaration of famine in gaza actually change anything on the ground. a declaration of thumb and dustin have legal effect. it is really just an alarm signal to the international community that something needs urgently to be done. and of course, even of one step short to apartment and such as we are now. the conditions are absolutely unacceptable. people out whole ready dying on that's from the from hunger and disease, the threshold. this is quite an arbitrary one. and that's, let's talk about mount nutrition. what happens to an adult at

a child when they don't get sufficient food or at least food with the right nutrients? well, it weakens the bodies, assistance, the power over the 6th thing. but tara and virus on the life far cheap at large. we know from studies that the, the kind of chronic model nutrition that we see in ga sign i, i want to make a point that this situation we have now is an extra duration of a situation we've had during the 16 years of seats. there are a number of studies showing a chronic, low grade protein mountain nutrition, as a result of the seats or gossip affecting children. but what you see in the body is that you will have that weaker immune system. and then you wouldn't be more vulnerable to infection. slight infections with color, smoke, parks, and acute spit or infections, which we see actually in the southern, gaza. in the smallest of the children. we have seen a search in r, s,

the virus infection. you will have the chronic asthma and you will have an e mail. one important point is that the pregnant woman who experience starvation or funding will have a child that is in the uterus is model attrition with a protein. and that will have 9 strong consequences for cardiovascular disease or diabetes for um, um i ordered 2 problems. and in addition to this, of course, you have the problems with the coordination and with the mental development, the children who are exposed to link mountain nutrition up to all these auto body. so you see the s medical consequences that i wanted to ask you match off to a period of, of severe hunger when a person does begin to get the right kind of food and nutrition. again, i can the effects that you've just described be,

be reversed. i mean it in children, you know, as you say, particularly with, with, with unborn children that the effects can be lifelong. of. what about adults? well, the studies that we know so far from other countries also during your time and times of the few natural disasters that have quotes from in we see it seems that the problems you have while i'm being in pregnancy are no trade or so they are in lifelong to the extent that the children will have more kind of your last are problems then people and children who were not exposed to farming during their pregnancy for the adults. it is of course, a matter of how complex your health problem has been. and don't forget that from in order or lack of food in gaza is one of the only one aspect of this matter from a disaster. in addition, you have the complexity of the trauma, all the attacks and you have the injuries and we hear from or police and go. so

that's a 100 percent. all the points are infected because i'd like to border i'm probably also because because of the most amount of interesting situations. so this is a very, very complex and very dangerous situation for the people in ga. so i need so my, my company burst in the 2nd 300 give us an idea of, of, of what daily life is like. a family's trying to survive in gaza right now. we know that causes fresh water and sanitation services are not functioning, but, but how, how did people go about finding food to feed the kids? so the situation is confessed, or vicky do some more than that. that's a big if somebody is printing and got the interest in biased in the bios of desktops. and this situation is i just wanted to go towards the, the only think of this isn't an call and then combine limited in

the didn't work together. so that is in gather loans have so you should fluid to feed themselves a, get the cost of the bins on a fishing and got a product for did you want to load it for the system? v and components for the system? i couldn't find the lord so they do not have access to base, must have access to go outside of the you to the direction. why do we do the top? it says that the got so and while throwing the 70 ball distribution . but what's, what's drawing and this. so the big one is depend on that. when he did in the and the human is saying, if the weight is more than one good, this would be me, just call the,

the what the immune cleaves of the b one. so and the driver dies and the driving bus stop for this, the daily board because as well. so we have to take into consideration that there is no way to get for meeting with or for meeting the grid so so the board meeting would be good with the vehicle in addition the the of this shortage and some in this direction. so they to how the viewers to me there, what they do not have a no, it'd be one of the, just the ones that we do that people in order to get your, the eagles and the mass for the green thing gets low. i the for a week. okay, rehab, israel and system is in

a food enforcer for people in cars. i'll come back to you just about a match is what is blaming the you and, and how may i ask for the slow distribution of a, is there any marital tool in that argument? does the un have enough stuff? has a deployed enough trucks in the humanitarian in human infinity. an agent is being beaten, is used to the continuous bumping and due to the lack of guarantee for the sick to war. i'm also the communication of black off in gas in v, in special or donation to bruce, between the organization and the structure of the o. m b. the look, i'm deliberately added to the all these conditions, the me, the human interior is maybe the items are in what they will add to

it. so many months in guest. so if i'm not sure that i need to, i'm all the through the i'm the through the stand to once i'm present borders. so it is, i the end of the day, guess the means according to the estimation of the government and the oldest needs nowadays more that the to the needs of residents. so before the month of october, i guess i used to receive around $500.00. is it just was wow, you know, it's not, they don't cover that, it's of the people that i like. so i'll come back to you in a minute, but not so you want to, you want to make a point that yeah, i think these allegations that, you know, it's all up to you and then on the mouse and the palestinians,

and there is enough food from these really occupation army, it's a, it's another blessing fly. i mean, we, we, we have the statistics from the very punctual and accurate statistics from old shock coming every 2nd day. and as my colleague in, in the said, you know, before and this attack, they were an average of $500.00 trucks per day. oh, then a 150, at least where trucks with food to sustain life in gaza, even with agriculture and fishing, and the food basket that they could feel themselves. now after. it has to be not average down to a 100 trucks per day and only $7240.00 trucks with food. this is according to the last by pc, special reef on finding us out. so there is absolutely no doubt that these rope has been blocking the entry of not only a medical release, but also food really need to set the limits and deliver plans of mental politics to

advocate the people of gossip through the seas through bombing and through no availability of medical supplies and medical services, i'm the assignment and the lack of order. this is one of the most gruesome, a concert to that tax on public health that i have ever seen. and they say so also in the i p c report. this is the worst we seen in modern history. so this is a modified situation aimed at diminishing health and survival among civilian palestinians. let's pull them out tonight. they see some waterfront. this is a weapon of mass destruction. use deliberately vice rep alex. what does the international law say about sages and, but every company is the cost of ation and farming and, and how does the firm in threshold have to be crossed for israel to have violates of international law if it is violating international law with the siege. and it's

war on gaza, can it be held accountable? and those are all very good points. let me just preface that by endorsing something that that might just said, which is that i have been studying this topic for almost 40 years. and during that 40 years i have not seen or studied a situation in which a population was reduced with, with this speed to this regular, this comprehensiveness to state to stop by should it is extensive, unprecedented since well to go to an i've such a profoundly disturbing now in terms of international law, there are, there are a number of aspects here of south africa brought the case to the international court of justice alleging genocide and the prohibition. the most relevant prohibition on the genocide convention is and to see in the genocide of convention deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about

its physical destruction in whole or in popped on the key that gives the intent intent to destroy and hold or in part and it will take many years for the b i. c j to come to a decision on that. but in the meantime, they couldn't issue provisional order instructions for what israel might to and without having to, to, to, to confirm that there is a genocidal of intent. and here's the wall crime of starvation is the relevant one . and let me read that because the, the zip codes in it, but you don't, you actually mentioned in your, in your introduction which is and so let me read it to the full intentionally using stop. patients has a method of both pass by depriving them up on chance indispensible to best supply volt, including willfully impeding very surprised. so the key there is destroying objects,

indispensable to survival, which is not just screwed. 6, that's based on the legal definition of starvation. it also includes voltage, sorry, taishan, health care, shelter, maternal cap of children, and all of those are being destroyed. and the important thing here is not the intention is to cause death by starvation. the intention is to decry and done. clearly, it is happening deliberately. there is no question that the, the israel is, is, was strategy include space, massive destruction, of all this essential can construct. now these reigning argument is that thomas is using on civilian shields. it has, it's more, it's own more infrastructure hidden in and then civilian infrastructure of entities, obstructing and stealing pages and so on. and some of this may be true, but

a violation by one party to a conflict in no way justifies a violation by the other party. the israel is responsible no matter what a if alex israel tomorrow was suddenly to allow, in all fade in to feed the people of gaza. would that allow it to, of, to, to wriggle hours of, of the accusations the, that it has committed the crime of starvation? you know, it would not because the crime has, has, has already been a perpetrated scale. and let me, i'm going to move things if, even if it allows in pain, but it continues to destroy objects indispensable to survive. that would be prohibited. and also the, the, the crisis will, i'm afraid, not stop over night. a humanitarian crisis on this scale is like a huge, heavy freight train and the driver puts on the brakes immediately as, as hard as, as can be put on task many to have that train will continue put some time.

so the, the, it will be a weeks, months for, for, for the basically monetary and crisis, the crisis of, of hunger, of infectious disease of reactive sanitation to be overcome. and those map was saying earlier that there will also be the lifelong complaints almost of ation on, on pop on, on children. this is not a crisis that can be solved over night and the, the, the, the, the effect. how going to last for many, many years we have, we're talking about objects indispensable to survival. tell us something of the situation that women in particular face right now and gaza of the killer, they base them. oh, okay. so the, because this is for reading on the, to the needs of, there is some bread. i'm also a,

been the increase the nose on their shoulder. and because they need to find the warranty and the fish and for the, for you went to a board meeting and then also they have to wait in for it. oh, you were for getting more for me, the breaks for the day and then so then i'm also a pregnant woman, a go to have his 2 children, and do they mind? give them a sig, so that in your to, this is what i'm all. and they also, they have to make some of the impossible choices and sometimes they will not eat and they wouldn't give the reality of the what they have to be in terms of the so the, this a crosses, low impact or little mass increases. the increase has been roles and

responsibilities all and it may be in been then have added for the day and so and for this reason the ceasefire, the bullying of the work to be taken and you get this female, you mean just mean it is? i'm just going to be seen by a to, to, to come to somebody who might be different it's, it's because it's impacts. we stay for a long time. okay. that's what can we expect to see in the coming weeks? your test on this several times before but, but if is real, doesn't to allow enough aid in regards to what's gonna happen. well, more people will die, avoidable, best avoidable. but don't forget that there are tens of thousands of more injured

in the, in addition to that, you know, people with ordinary diseases who are also affected by the time in. and don't forget that when you are in a negative protein balance coming from salvation buckle food, your moons will hear much more slowly. your bones will grow together much more slowly and you are much more likely to have the affections in your woods. all of this we've seen goal setting up. so the other actually in addition to, to making life miserable for the population by not having enough food. they are also pulsing massive medical problems in that population with tens of thousands of or more. they were complicated woods with complicated factors, many of them going to set these emails and di scroll avoid the both infections. and i'd like to add one more point to these effect of the lack of dietary energy. meaning, you know, if you don't have enough food, you like also the energy to live

a normal and active life and the peace if, if there's anything needed for people in government. now it is to have the energy to subdivide the coal, the, the, the width, whether the lack of housing, 60 percent of the housing for people in golf sites destroyed by bumping to have medical problems to have a split. finally, all of these demands and the energy just to survive the everything with the starvation and the energy is to be stalled and so to make life unbelievable, miserable. ok, dangerous. all of these factors are sort of collectively done by his room with the starvation, the lack of water, the lack of security, the lack of medical supplies. i'm, i agree the only the only recipe now it is to stop the bone b immediately and open the gates to go. so alex, we've got about a minute left and i'm going to ask you a complicated question. i'm sorry, but be as brief as you can please. is israel deliberately trying to delay on the rail a declaration of feminine gossip?

i don't think it's that israel has this simon declaration on its agenda. i think israel to, from what we see is pursuing its role with a determination to inflict as much damage as it can in the short term before content. national pressures in general begin to press it towards restraint, all backing down. i'm afraid we are headed full scale into a complete unnecessary calamity that will go down in the panels of history as, as one of the crate crimes of the century. and that we must leave it many thanks and date. alex developed not skilled. and we have jeffery, thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the

website without a 0 dot com for further discussion and join us with our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash 8 inside story. out of course, you can join the conversation on x on handle the, at a inside story from the adrian clinic and the team here. and so i will see you again, bye for the, the the thing going off of the sauce, the full, the, it's a fucking 20 kilometers in many areas. how does the news continues to define their basic needs to live stream, leave it here. most of them are to some of the rumbling that happening. now. i'm not is going from here to the 11 east side. there is new any

place in gaza considered to be safe. leave that in the north or the south, and north in your and shelters, or in hospitals, the cold and untold stories from asia and the pacific. on would you 0 my double what kind of flips through the pages of his books. he was hoping to be a doctor, but the fighting in savannah put a stop to studies that if he population here has across the 600000 and walk most of them under the age of 13, they receive this cheese when conventionally gets into a classroom that is another curriculum and so then is different from what you're trying to get for changing the dates and send them to religious schools like this. the priority for now is to provide shelter and full, and even that is close in the united way. there is no clear indication as to when

refugees students would be able to return home and to their process. the no less often israel's attacks on gauze strikes of an odd killing into a number of colors, simians including savings, the, the sometime to try this is own to 0 live from the also coming up as well. continues to demolish homes and buildings to create and bosses on wisconsin custodians and the occupied with bank site being arrested to full family members wanted by.