the funds, the cost of public affairs, as it lacks, especially those in the west. and i think there is a definitely a mounting public opinion in the united states, the u. k. in other parts of western europe. the fact or somebody said to put for pressures on the government who presumably say that they close to that human rights important. and they put human rights at the center with that for them policy. and they stand for universal values based west empowers. nice. now once again to look in the matter and fix on decisions, because now there is going to be a month expression, not only from that public opinion, see because this case is about the north and the south. this case is about south africa being part of the global. so to do it myself, picking up a case where by supported by the global north accept it on the west been support division. read basically committing genocide against the palestinian people. so i think if the that's the western world is not going to take measures. now based on

the building today themselves, driven by moral consideration as much as by a narcissistic ones. if you will. i think it's going to start creating more or more rift between north and south, between the item and most of the world and the western world. i think it would create major risk that would put major pressures and western governments and their interests in the global science. so i think moving forward, the principle that has been invoked by this for i think it's going to be with us for many years. the com that is read is on trial for genocide. mullin, thanks for that. back with you. little bit lights of the time being things are roughly about forest. thank you. i. let's cross out the child stratford isn't my mother in the occupied at westbank and charles. just tell us about the situation there and how people have been waiting for this and what the reactions and i think it's pretty fair to say next to this was notes to people

here or not surprised by what is just being said in the hey, there is a great sense of distrust that is basically generational. we've seen decades of what is perceived here amongst palestinians, and all can be rightly so. it was a complete disregard by the international legal systems. and by the u. a in full full the case now, they will respirations here in the occupied westbank watching the, watching the scenes in the hague on fold. but as i say, there is a sense of desperation and fatalism, that must be an experienced for decades. and of course, we've seen an increase in the level of violence committed by these really ministry by is riley settlers since those outside but the segments. thomas attacks in the occupied westbank, 6000 palestinians, at least being detained, hundreds killed. they have been hundreds of attacks by settlers,

the palestinian saying that the is ready, government have been given the, the military, the green lights to act basically completely unaccountable to, to anybody since those attacks. so i think it's pretty safe to say that people here are disappoint you, but not a surprise to get some more reaction on joint hit by look in the front of her. she is a member of the the room. i love the city council, the initial question looking at then, what is your reaction to the, to what's being said in the hague? like you said, it's a disappointing to a certain expense because the palestinian aspirations were too cold for an immediate cease fire. and to get all the humanitarian aid into garza. but let's just acknowledge as well that this is a historic moment and we're very grateful and thankful for south africa for filing this case. but so what's the palestinians as fired for is that an immediate cease fire? and i'm actually happy that to the case was not rejected or the law suits yes,

this is a good start, but or this has, is, are, and has to do is your and has to do. there is nothing baptist, sorry to say that you should stop. there has to be an immediate cease fire humanitarian age. so go into gaza, so it's disappointing and we have different expectations for sure. do you think in any way what is being said, this ruling as, as, as concluded as last fall is going to have any effect whatsoever on the level of violence, the, the amount of, as we, as we've been talking about the tiny rage by these really all i me all on secular attack, so we're going to see any change whatsoever on, on the, on the basis of, of this ruling in the high, i think it's will absolutely escalates. because is that already thinks they are above the low. and now with this decision they, they think they can do whatever they want. and as you mentioned, we have the, so 55095 students can codes in the west bank since the 7th of october,

7000 detainees as well. and the, the not to mention the set to the violence where people are attacking or the palestinians. so i think of it because they think they will not be held accountable . and there's no firm decision they would continue and it wouldn't even escalate to, in my opinion. it could you give us your opinion with respect to, as we were talking about the level of distrust amongst palestinians towards the, the international community, towards the, the international legal bodies, the u. n. and so forward, what does they do now to what, what can only be described as, as deep distrust in the 1st place? surely don't wanna put words in your mouth, but this can only really make things worse. it certainly made things worse for the palestinians that i think after this is the 6 were on garza, and every time we have like, cab hopes that is where it would be, have a comfortable for it's crimes. and every time and now we were talking about

$26000.00 people kids. and for the 1st time, the palestinians, even not only the people in the streets, even people who believed in law and international law. they believe there are double standards when it comes to punish fine 1st and they believe then when it comes to punish find, there was no firm decision regarding this. so actually they were so looking forward for today and they had hopes and they, i think break through disappointment, disappointed of to today that's on the, on the west bank, but the gardens who are under the fire. so i think scam and people are really disappointed the kinds of less top and international law, international humanitarian law and international and mckenna isms. and they were very helpful today. i'm after this decision. they are more disappointed. thank you very much for your opinions with the com a. yeah, an indication just of how, how, how cynical, how, how skeptical palestinians have been about so as i say, the, the international legal standards each and actual legal mechanisms in the build up

to, to this ruling. but uh, old intents and purposes, if you heard that from looking uh, an expectation that certainly here in the west bank is rose behavior, the behavior of it's all me and certainly the, the hundreds of thousands of settlers living on the west bank expectations that the situation here could now get even worse, but you in uh, charles, thank you for that. charles profit, the in ramallah. let's move on to the policy and i'm back to the, to the united kingdom persons. i'm not joining us now. i'm pleased to say and pessimism that 1st of all your reaction it was take us some time for our lawyers, experts in the state of palestine, but also south africa and all those in this case, the c j to go brand, assess, absorb all of this done through this, they've just that of a, the, but i'm a legal expert. oh uh, it is a very significant moment for us because south africa and many other states to get

into the 1st time of a conservative but 3 in tangible significance steps towards accountability. i must say this has been absent for 75. yes. they, these states, i've shown the rest of the world. the states must act what the responsibility and must must are to prevent their own responsibilities. i mean, to commit to their own responsibilities on the international rules such as the prevention and punishment of genocide the convention. and also the call today was charlie's and the full. we have how difficult goals are designed to individual side to provide for the civilians to have this fuel, humanitarian man made human a teddy and cut off for me and so forth. but they found us plenty of people and many other people would like one thing now to hear the water seas fall immediate 5

minutes and comprehensive. simply because what we have from the quote today is that many that as well as actually inflected general, find the collision on the products that we have. the funding goes up and also the accounts of the fall that the westberg or the for the born now is in the cool. all the security council is and i actually got to go and get all of that before we get onto the security council. i wanna talk about internet be international diplomacy aspects and the 2nd but, but you must be disappointed that wasn't a cold from the cold forest east by as well. uh, as i say, i really want to, i really want to go with my, my colleagues and all pop those on friends to look into this more fun. and i do not want to rush into things, but i did listen line to the i was waiting for the what sees fall and

then i'll spend it is immediately and bring back the mission and then the whole state of destruction. we wanted to see that from that that was the was, it doesn't come out box. there are legal considerations, but i would want to really discuss with colleagues before i come in. however, i can tell you that should today's visit, be conclusive enough that all compared is a comprehensive i'm not a clear enough. the court would have saved his sons and with this international assistance, should it be inconclusive? oh yeah. i think this is the beginning. the of the amount of data legitimacy and the existence of the core and what the information of the system google was based on older because the people of the south are watching the people on the east or watching amelia's in the us or watching and the finding more, this is a defining moment. everybody is watching. that's cool. is watching the next steps.

everybody wants to believe that there is an international system that's represent all of us, the stuff i want to apply the i guess the cardinal junior science has been established in the most for regular been by the indicators under, by some point. he said to the job to try and make the final statement about it a bit. busy in the immediate future, what difference is it going to make on the ground of what we have to build a journey process that we and then bring accountability. this has been happening for a long time, is very sore, just offices additions. officials have gotten away with mazda or 75 years, and showed up stablish and accountability. this wouldn't be repeated again. the main main main goal though is never again, never again to allow for all children to be smoke drugs in such a way to have to go through my own execution bars in front of the world. never

again, the destruction of all houses. what was the best besides the season is all about is easy to say. we've said we've had you said many people said many, many times, but nothing ever changes that. so my question is, is not what, what difference does this mean? we can't just keep calling for these things to happen is the you were talking about the security council. what about that? is it going to be any, any change now, because of these rulings, we have got to keep trying and where it's not the only video. but if that video fails, it has failed and it sort of, it has phone and it submitted that humanity. if that isn't today, i think it's a historic moment than ever since i'm we'll have to for it's very serious my friends, i'm not telling you something that i don't see. and for the wise, this is very serious. i'm the whole, you know, the never again started the 2nd bull deliver, getting started with the hard on stuff happened. yeah. in your i'm default if the

new but again it's, i'm not sure i just need to jump to that. i do apologize, but we just the, the south africa ministry speaking at the hague and i just want to go to the not to the info down road. yeah. and so, you know, and, and just so the minutes that's going to speak and then the money's going to speak as well. did. you will take questions you already. yes, but it's over to you by my name is my lady bundle and i'm the saw that for 10 minutes sub international relations and corporation. i wish to begin by assign king the judges of the international court of justice for dealing with this matter

expeditiously. given the agency of the needs to protect innocent civilians in palestine and to ensure that to the home that south africa has referred to in the case it brought before the i c j that that home is addressed about people's lives. a saved the saving of life is merely with respect to having a ceasefire extra ensuring that humanitarian aid is provided to those who need support, as well as ensuring that the state of israel, which is currently up to pi a and the administrator in palestine provides the necessary basic services that the residents of gaza and the west bank requires this case was very much about international bodies,

ensuring that they exercise their responsibility to protect us or as global citizens or members state. so the knights of nations have attached a signature to a range of instruments. but when the lines that threatened these instruments, i looked brought to bed and saw that africa had the view that we could not stand idly by and continue to observe the killing of thousands of palestinians citizens who had no room in the whole flat postage taking. and killing back to us, done by a month. and therefore we told you 2 important that we do reports and apply to the international court of justice. that the measures provided within the convention for the punishment and prevention of genocide are brought to bear. and

that to the stage of israel is called upon by the judges to act, to protect civilians. and to end the massive level of home that we have seen since these really action began. and we agreed tightly with the judges that thomas should release the hostages. that big car into holding. we also, you know, various engagements with ha partners internationally believe the moment is now right for the to be negotiations for 2 state solutions. and this conflict decisively decided that the c 4, are you disappointed? because i believe that to, in exercising the order, they would have to be a sci fi without the or the, i was more, i would have one to 5 pacific. no, they didn't tell you disappoint,

but how they didn't specify that. you know, i had no way that i'm going to say i'm disappointed i up for it. but the fact of delivering humanitarian aid, the fact of taking measures that reduce the levels of home against persons who have no role in what israel is, come back to me requires a sci fi and i believe is valid, have to attend to how it conducts it. search for the hostages, and for those how much individuals who carries out the october 7, the next lives in the picture for i believe that to be the quote, documents needs to be read very, very carefully. they've given very, very direct instructions. we assessed to size the provisional measures that results to be address would be uh, address 5,

a quote. and i believe if you read the convention very carefully, uh, the matter of how a lot of homes like this going back to the is not the library. i wouldn't want to address the word sufficient is included in the judgement, but i am satisfied with the directors that have been given and interesting to you last. i was concerned as the, the president of the quote was reading the order that reference wasn't being made to a report because the reporting is absolutely imperative. the monitoring of action in terms of the old days by total. and so for the fact that to a monthly report to report within one month of this date has to be an old it is, i believe, very significant. the germany and the i'd say to have called this case narrative. well, the fact that the quote says, remember that today we're not deciding about the allegation of genocide. what we're

dealing with the provisional measures. it's clear that the court does say so comes on, does exist where it is plausible that did the side the acts have been committed. this of course means once the marriage cases addressed. and if the finding is that the has beaten, tell us side. those states that of a, to the back to become a party to commission alban infringement in terms of the convention is that will come home to be forwarded. they don't let it go. i've never really been though full of about israel, but israel has very powerful friends who i hope will advise israel, that they should act minnesota in terms of the would you, would you say was the site i think that's where you at the public to the side what we said is he is an international instrument. let us bring it into operation. and

let's stop the looks of us. a significant pop. let's act then south africa has acted. and what the quote has actually indicated is that this convention is being brought to live in a very practical way. and then now seeing course we want to is that the member states will be united nation. must of a see the process. i mean, sure that we create a basis for a global community in which a result obviously is no longer a result to abuse is no longer easy. and that more if it is now directed towards negotiation and toward speaking peaceful means of ending conflict. come on by the time that the world was far as i understand, the convention states, a members state signatories and you bring actions with reference to states,

not to particular group, but how somebody behaves to the site. me, people that, well uh, i believe that uh, what has been done by how much is such a new quote, great home. and i do think that the hostages should be free, and that's what you bought for some of the you believe this quarter. we had, let's say in sort of in v vi here, i'm going to send it goes to you today and, and to show, tell them may be, can help finding of what is the can solution to the conflict between the people. but it's, he didn't people of these that idea. well this is uh, this is my husband's back to we will begin to move toward a process where substantively a 2 state solution is being discussed. the people of palestine that's off at home for many, many decades. i don't, but i do believe it to in today or tomorrow. but what we've done is a very clear signal has been sent by the court. and it's not

a test for the government and people of israel as to whether they will act in a manner that says all of us must respect international, the international hello. hello. this is if israel x in the cold with it, i think the implications are for the future. hope for well, should it not. then essentially we're opening up a room full of uses in many conflicts throughout the world. and i think will be septic. a terrible, terrible precedent. so what i'm sure you, what all of us should do is call on israel to act in terms of the some of the tides with a large preserve inside. i don't think it's a matter of south africa and israel. yeah. the real issue, that's all your questions are about as well. but the real issue is the people of palestine who are being killed every baby and all the people of palestine who are

sleeping in the quote. the people of palestine was denied food all to an energy. that is the critical issue that all of us should focused upon the oscar that was quoted and witnessed all that and with the people of palestine. we stand with the people of palestine and i'll mrs to them is never give up. hope south africa got over the update to oppression they will overcome the that will never be grateful unix. let's see. thank you for allowing me to start by saying that's with the phone with everything that's the excellent see the that are appropriate for international cooperation to south africa department or has, has stated in front of all of you on to read the message from the palestinian people on this very important day. yes sir, this hearing from outside the international court of justice there at the hey, from the south african minister of international relations. and they need to hand or say it's very important moments. a very clear signal has been sent by the court

to, to israel. so that is where i have been called upon to protect civilians and, and the massive level of home. she was asked about how disappointed she was about the fact there's no si size. she would not say she was disappointed. she wanted to see as far as she said, but she's also said in exercising the order that israel must protect civilians that would have to be se sauce. then went on to say there's never been. she's never been hateful about israel, but it's down to israel's powerful friends to act now. all right, we've had a long and uh, pretty complex pronouncement from the international court of justice. and it just beginning to digest it. so let's say more now on exactly what was 70 measures that were outlined. the court indicates the following provisional measures as one by 15 votes to to the state of israel shell in accordance with its obligations under the convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide in

relation to this house. the indians and gaza take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of article 2 is a convention. in particular, a killing members of the group. be causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. see deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction and hold for in part in the imposing measures intended to prevent birth. within the group in favor, president donahue, vice president of oregon, judges tonka. behind the noun, use of trey bundari robinson salon. he was our no to charles forest friend. judge at hawk was sent against judge 17 day judge at hawk or rock by 15 votes to to the state of israel,

shall ensure with immediate effect that it's military does not commit any acts described in point one above in favor. president donahue, vice president of oregon judges tonka abraham noon, uses sch way bundari robinson. so he was so no to charlesworth, brand judge, had talked with cent, okay. against judge said, attend a judge at hawk or rock by 16 votes to one. the state of israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the palestinian group in the gaza strip in favor, president donahue, vice president of oregon, judges tompkins. behind the noun uses sch way bundari robinson.

so he was our no tech. charles was brand judges ad hoc rock syndicate against judge 17 by 16 loads to one. the state of israel shell take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by palestinians in the gaza strip. in favor, president donahue, vice president of oregon, judges tonka. behind the noun, a yourself to a bundari robinson. so he was so no to charles. where is brant judge's ad hoc for rock. the seneca against judge said, attended by 15 votes to, to the state of israel, shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of article

2. and article 3 of the convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide against members of the palestinian group in the gaza strip in favor. president donahue, vice president of oregon judges tomko behind the noun used to tre bundari robinson salon. he was our no to charles worth. brent judge at hawk the syndicate against judge said the 10 day judge had talked rock by 15 votes to to the state of israel shell, submit a report to the court on all measures taken to give effect to this order within one month. as from the date of the order, us and savers, president donahue, vice president of oregon, judges tompkins, behind the noun, uses to a bundari robinson. so us our no to charles worth.

brant judge ad hoc was indicating against judge. so attend a judge at hawk brock. that was the presiding judge of jo donahue, of the international court of justice as laying out those provisional measures that she issued today. busy take this on with thomas. mine is director of international state crime initiative at queen mary university of london joins as life from the so thomas layout for us, if you would just simplify a bit if you could. so the court is basically found that there is a case for israel to answer against genocide. and in the meantime, these interim measures have been issued a yeah, that's right. this is to kind of big things to take away. the 1st thing is the court has said, based on the case presented to us by said, i forget that there is now a plausible case of genocide in gaza. so we now have

a serious risk of genocide. and the genocide treaty is a special treaty, not like more crimes or crimes against humanity where once any stays here is of a serious risk, then they have to do everything. they come to stop enabling that genocide and to start taking all action in that capacity to prevent us not applies to all states in the world. so there's going to be a huge amount of pressure on his row and a supporting states following that part of the case. and the other part we have is the provisional measures which set out the action that is real, have to state take. now the 1st thing they have to do is stop the killing. if killing is intended to destroy the palestinians and they have to instruct their army to do the same. but further than the further, then there's no measures we saw in the burma my i'm our app. well here's your case . they have said that they must, the state of israel, most facilities, all necessary humanitarian aid. em restore basic services. so that is rebuild the

health service that has been destroyed and 5. gov, and i think that's a very strong statement as well. and their boss is ralph report back to them in one month to let everyone know and what progress they've made and bought what they're doing in order to enact these matters. so i think it's really a strong job and from the course. right, thomas, what did you make of what the other if you had the south african minister and the lady pandora of international relations saying about the, the lack of a ceasefire. she said that actually in affecting the 1st or exercises, the 1st part of the order that is where i must take full measures to stop coming members of the group by the palestinians. they would have to be a sci fi, as well, as we've discussed just before. and the provisional measures ran the cases. i didn't think that they would ask for c expire because in a way that with a render israel defenseless against attack. and it's not really within the purview

of the court in this case, but what they are asking, i agree they were asked to stop the killer. so in effect, we have a face not maybe not a postal station or facilities. maybe now as well can have, you know, very targeted counterterrorism operations, but they cannot continue with the attacks on guys as we have seen over the last 100 or more days. so what the court have our 1st stop the killing stop injuring so effectively is, is the see far from the point of view of the majority of the civilians inside casa, and whether israel follow the court's orders. another question. so that's, that's the thing, isn't it? say perhaps explain for us if you would, what the legal ramifications of this up, because it does, it's legally binding isn't a yes, this is a legally binding an order. so states and any states and both must follow or

if they want to uphold an international rule of law, if they don't want to hold up on international uniglobe and that leaves us into a very dark place. so i think many states will be doing everything they kind of hold this order. and the court, of course, doesn't have any enforcement mechanisms, but it is the judicial body of the united nations. we have the united nations security council, which would be in a position to enforce this order. and so that would put a lot of pressure on the u. s. the u. k. i know there is not to exercise their veto . if a resolution is put before them, somebody ex, 5 their veto, then it will go to the general assembly and then we'll go to domestic chords. and this will have more are wide ranging implications where you are now wanting to know . since the whole world is under doctor's stuff, is a serious risk of genocide in gaza. and so all states now have to step up and do a due diligence on what their capacity is to prevent this genocide and assume as

soon as we can get involved to we can pressure all of their own governments and we can pressure our local pharmacies. we might be considering planning permission for is there any weapons companies i'm any is really government official that wants to travel up to any stays in the world now. wouldn't be at risk of arrest. and because interest warrant can be issued, if they don't follow these orders, so we will have a wide range of complications. even this is around the side to look more at thomas . i appreciate that you put it on in a good perspective for us. thanks very much. and data tell us what minus director of the international state crime in the queen mary university. let's get a view now from tell of, even as well, we can speak to a keep a elda, who's a political analysts say, keep a, just give us a view for ms rela, and how this will be received to waste was already receives lifetime use of the you know, actually as good use because uh they were very worried uh,

the government that, uh, the quote will decide that it's time for his land to agree to a ceasefire. and to these guys all get back home and uh at the same time age was not offered anything to the hostages. now the good news is that uh the uh, judges took it very seriously. the is ready. all of us that uh, the uh wall started on october 7th with the vicious attack of how mazda and the kidding of uh, 1200 is very serious and soldiers. um there were some people in jerusalem that were hoping that uh the isaac g, were we just in the mind,

the appeal offer. so that's it got but uh it was not really in the cause. so they voices that i can hear from the use of them is that uh um we cut the losses. you mentioned not about the seats for the fact that it wasn't as be stated, but then it does say amongst provisional measures, israel must take all measures to stop the killing of members of degree by the palestinians or harming them and stuff. imposing measures to that, to jeopardize bus. and as the top african minister that we had on a little while ago was saying that effectively does mean the sci fi. because if israel doesn't abide by that, it's breaking the rule while he lay down as well as levy interpretation. that is, that is a, is already doing, it's ok most to uh, not to targets videos. and here's where it is and knowing you when they tell you in a, into a god zone,

maybe the not true as well as possibly true. um, in the last few days, there were families of the is where the captives, who were blocking the passage is where he's allowing egypt to uh, transfer goods. uh and uh, uh, other materials such as drugs that you guys offer. but at the same time is why it is presented to use as a tradeoff. and that's the, the last must give something, they didn't return and elsewhere, it cuts up. we see another kind of a process. there is a legal processing the hey, but at the same time is various americans consolidate agents of trying to find a way out of this mess before no one gets involved. so what happened was,

on your respect to the judges, 15 judges who spend the time very seriously in, in the hey, the scene will be happening elsewhere. now i have also to add that this is not over the age you days. in february, 19th the i c, g is going to meet again to discuss many terrier and other issues in the west bank which is use of them and gaza, which is dealing with the entire occupation. and this is coming from the genuine assembly of the land and the wasn't mentioned today, but the game is not over yet. right. and this ruling, so that's down the line. but this immediate ruling is now likely to put

a intense pressure, get more pressure on his rails best friend. that is the united states. and you as president joe biden, in an election year with the polls guy against him. how do you think it's a us will respond at the next you and security council meeting? a little united states made it very clear that they see what's happening in gaza. and i say you mentality and crisis but not as genocide. and i will not be surprised if you're going to hear the next few hours about the holocaust tomorrow. there will be the national memorial day of the uh, the holocaust. and the fact that there is a cues of genocide, the jewish state. um, oil will help that sending out to portray,

is read as the victim. and the design of the public is having a very hard time understanding and accepting the fact that you can have more than one vixen here. and there is no good news here, or any news coming from the hague to the people who are suffering the but a cnn one. point 2, but a seniors who were absolutely from their homes at 150000 is what i have is from the south. and then those who have been also evacuated from their homes, let alone the 130 captives that uh, we know nothing about the whereabouts and is there, there we live. we hear so many type of stories about sexual harassment, about torturing. and we don't know how many of them will be back on the

feeds all in plastic back. okay. okay, but we're gonna leave the appreciate your analysis from telling me that cuba elder speaking to us, let's get more analysis here. just, you know, just go on less small and bizarre and what do you make of what you've just heard. we've also been hearing from these ready, 5 minutes to says, not surprisingly that the case is outrageous and that israel will continue to do what is necessary to defend itself. he was going to say that no matter one but roland wise and, but he is also known to be missing a thing. now that is to be, you know, is roads number one spinner. so he was going to spend this to his advantage any which way. right. and i think it's kind of sad, of course that some people just don't learn the lessons under his tenure or during his 10 year. busy because of hen benjamin nothing you know is right and today is on trial for genocide. these are the people who are headed back from the people who

went through the holocaust because of benjamin that then you know and they just coordination of criminals. these are today is on trial by the world's court, the international court of justice on genocide that there is evidence been provided to the court. both material evidence about what is going on in garza and in terms of intent. and in terms of the united nations agencies, and this is a federal or united nations court that basically describe in details the awful situation for the civilians. in follow stein, inc garza and why is that it has been deliberately targeting civilians and why the step is for auntie. so that's practice, core cannot continue as, as we see today. and that's why i think it's a story important that this be viewed for south africa as

a huge victory. even though it is not an immediate twin for the people in gaza. because as we said, you and i have been talking about it for a while now that no matter what the court would have come up with is right, was not going to abide with it. now what we hope is that because now is our, is on fire for genocide it's backers would probably do some sort of criticism. okay. which brings his own view and security council kinds . we've already seen united states, 3 vito so far to not have a sci fi. how are they likely to respond now because there's a lot of pressure and it's just ramping up on vitamins in this election. yeah, absolutely. i, i hope we start with a little pianos an on to the americans. might my sense is that the or p as are going to be on the even more pressure for the, to our big specifically. you can just exactly, i think i don't mind if you heard through. it's just not just the last couple of days. you saw me speaking about an image of sustainable ceasefire and image is what

sustainable right time. right? you start the words. yeah. by then, it depends what advisor is going to go to the expedient way or the principled way. i mean, the guy is 50 years old. if i were to him, i would be writing my will now, and go to the, the big way on principle and what i like it, or i don't, and expediency on short sightedness. so he should be looking out for political future. they should be looking for a patient history, his patient history. now for a man who said that we're going to end the 4 of our wars. and are we going to put human rights at the center of our foreign policy? that man should be really now considering what does it mean for his main i lie that he finance that to you arm that he protected, but this all i today is on trial for general side. what does that really mean? no. the court judges what not strategists don't mean if the strategies, right, the court just said, apparently in an indirect way, that is there

a can fight time us without getting genocide. i mean, we can interpret it that way. mm hm. that is there, as can continue to 5 time us without getting just sites and hands. it has to take these 12345 measures voted by a majority of 152262116211522. that's a huge majority, suspect thing that is i could be getting acts of genocide. i'm asking, demanding that it does not do 123456, right for this is important for the united states to be listening to. i mean, as you're, as you and i been speaking earlier, it is imperative for the security council now to be divided in quantities 5 because that's the safest way to making sure that those are professional orders that cut it off. so is that the next thing that's going to happen in new york that you are next year? you would expect that that cold for us is fine because i mean, which way even though this is binding this fish tours and there is no way to unit

the for so what that it for the, this is binding it to be executed. it has to go to the executive authority of the world uh body that you are a security council. i think i can see that it comes with depending on which ones on which chapter these things are taken. but if there is no veto into part of the united states that would send a more clickable, what actionable step on the part of international community to force is right to act or to stop fighting. but now we have 3 things happening at the same time. next one we have is there a bunch of sites that one prior to for genocide, we have the public opinion threatening against design and we have a situation in gaza and it is right. that's not going well to the advisors. neither of the palestinians or for these right is so pressures are buttoning up in all directions. now, interesting law and thanks for that for the time. big mom bizarre us. now we are continuing a coverage, finding a reaction of calls from

a correspondence right around the world. declines in washington, dc from the miller in johannesburg. hold on how many it is in television. i let start at the hague with step vass and, and step you being with a palace door, all with palestinians of photos that were marching to the hague of that. now, what's the interaction amongst those? if you following this, a well, sorry, strong emotions here among the protests in the hague. as soon as they heard the routing, there was disappointment, it was anger, but it's also mixed feelings because this, sorry, moment when the charge was right now, we're rolling on saying and acknowledging the suffering also kind of thing and people in gaza. that's really a piece of work trying to a 100 each other and there was a lot of hope. but of course we know that it's not been rolling on the seas fire. so i'm going to ask now some people in there what their response has paid off on. this was not really what you were hoping for. those,

the bills that were 6 or for the amount of before christie and the big one is, is not good to know. so i mean, we've made some good ones, but at the same time you can't really order is ready to do everything within his power to stop the genocide one. the only thing is as far as the, as far as what we want they want to know is the most important thing to stop the genocide just insane. it's unacceptable and we would not see is to resist. we would not see is to, to talk with us even if it takes months. but this semester, this just started testing stop seas for know that you are also listening. it was a very emotional moment to your and that in front of the piece pilot. how is your response? but it's very bitter. so we use actually this, we have to be grateful that they're fine. it is intumescent recognition that there is a genocide being committed against our people. so i think this is a bare minimum that should be done. so they gave us something, but it's certainly not enough as much as i mean, but, but the total awesome this,

but the, this inter mitchell, but this is the only the whole for us to get things that's also south africa is the only country that the mom didn't, and you might see that the mom did respect to international law for us. someone i, i like as dogs on, know i have my final is asking me on daily basis, the worst stuff. sorry. what is that is the, you know, side against us, the side of the news. i have to say to them, it's a process, it's gonna take time, but it shows the politics behind the course behind the shop shoes. and that's why when it comes with a ceasefire, the u. s. is behind or this, of course. and this makes us sad. but at the same time we have to stay optimistic. i'm for the guys and you know, port day remain it and you know, nobody is now stopping the 0 sides. i guess them not even the international now that it could be, you know,

they're court of justice. thank you so much for joining us. so here it wasn't really a task for international fees and just to see it at the fees pallets and the people here are shouting now we're still trying to sign but also ceasefire now. and that's not what day has gotten and a lot of homeless now being bashed for now. all right, that's a view of people on the ground. they're outside the hague. is that fast? and thanks for that. let's cross to tell of the vault correspond hold on how many joins us now. and so all the we've been hearing from this ready prime minister of the, as indeed we heard somebody say the prime minister on social media say that he will continue of fighting to protect ourselves. and the people of israel says, searching tune up defy. is there not much mention about anything else about the proceedings in the hague today?

we also heard from defense, vanessa, you of garland who was maybe a bit more defiant than his don't saying that israel does not need preaching a moral preaching router. that's how he put it. and then we heard from the far right, administer each m r button clear who actually the ride the court and a cooling, a cooling at the age made. and then saying that it was of an decent method for dad . that the, what is south africa was this is starting to adjust. and then, but, you know, oh, this kind of sigh of relief in israel that there was no direct cold, whereas this ation of hostilities or is this agent of fire. but apart from that, there is a feeling that israel got a yellow card as someone and these really need to purchase. i think also people are very surprised about how the boat went. there was an understanding or that was the

whole surgically, that just coming from western countries. so do you as japan, friends, lavaca in australia would vote in favor of israel that did not happen in all. a the different measures and that the us judge joan donovan actually has voted in all these measures against israel. there's also a lot of surprise that then these really judge has voted in 2 of these motions against israel. so i think the country is the wrapping it said around what happens satisfied the work and go on, but certainly it is a stain on israel. hold up. thanks for that to bite with you a little bit later in the meantime. let's cross from 10 to be to johannesburg. the front of the miller is dining by for us, the at. so what's the reaction there in south africa as well? we heard from the international relations one of us to another, the bundle in the hay,

immediately off to that order and through close it said that she is not disappointed. certainty should hope for a ceasefire, but she's not disappointed in that the court did recognize the, the level of home that was being caused to palestinians to those under bombardment . and because the issue of hom had been addressed to that is what had been in order to save lives, protects of millions into a minute, a few minutes here in a be provided. and that he's well as occupier. she promot necessary services. this was some level of progress and she was glad that the issue around potential genocide had been addressed at least to some extent. there's another statement that has been issued from the department of international relations, which had called this order by the i c. j a momentous one and also that it's a landmark ruling and that is roles, actions in gaza, applause of lead genocidal, and as indicated provisional mit measures on that basis. and then this potentially

could open the door to the issue of the lack of justice, the lack of freedoms be adequately addressed later on. and even though it may take many months so years, those could be addressed through the icy jays. ultimately for south africa, this is what the minister had said prior to the ruling, that this is an issue around freedoms and justice and humanity. and that these organizations, these institutions like the i c, j, should be doing what they're tossed with, protecting humanity for me to, thanks for that. so if somebody will of an agenda is back on reaction that let's cross from johannesburg to the united states to washington dc. in fact, i think i'll hate as being monitoring events from afar and also reaction the in the united states. what you so far? it's so far, no news. i should point out our white house producer christopher sheridan has reached directly out to john for be the national security spokesman. so hopefully

we'll hear something soon. but my initial take is in many ways this decision could not be worse for the united states because it doesn't call for an immediate cease fire. and that's something that the us has said consistently that they don't support what it does call for is what the u. s has been calling for an end to the mass of environment, what the president himself described as indiscriminate bombing. they've been saying they need to go to more targeted operations, not targeting civilians, which is what this order calls for them to do. it says it needs or israel needs let more aid into gaza, the exact same thing that divide him ministration has been asking for. so if this comes to a security council decision, because as we know, the c j doesn't have an enforcement powers. if someone brings it up to the security council, is the us going to be able to veto exactly what they've been calling for israel to do. now the way they might be able to do that as they have in the past is since the beginning of this case they've been calling it merit,

let's say. and that it distracts from the real mission which is getting out the captives. and that it is a distraction and culture productive and completely without any basis in fact, so well, it might seem hard for the us to come forward and veto these calls for them to do exactly what the us has been calling for them to do. they might be able to say, well, the whole process was flawed barrett less. we don't believe that the, you know, there is no genocide in palestine. so it's gonna be really interesting to see how they're going to react. it's probably not going to come out any time soon cuz you can bet the people in the building behind me or try to figure that out right now. but as soon as we do hear something, all right, patty will be back with you just as soon as you do. i've had to go home there in washington dc. i let's just take you to pictures. that's a piece palace the at the hague, where the international court of justice is based, where they've just made those pronounced. and so you can see lots of palestinian supports us out that we go outside that we just had recently from across from the

state for us. and that they're disappointed by the lack of a cx 5. but to the general mood is the israel has been given the yellow card at as a reminder of the world court on friday for the israel to take the measures within his power to prevent acts of genocide in gaza at the court said that as well must ensure its forces, do not commit genocide and take measures to improve the humanitarian, the situation. israel must report to the court within a month for what it's doing to uphold the order, so that you have products and use the products outside the hey good, that's it for this. these are, but i'll be back in a couple of minutes. so we'll have more analysis and see in a bit the in the markets almost as busy as normal. the single largest employer in palestine

is the public opinion will far as he will pay a deposit of send, you know, authority remains the key economic dr. palestinians implying a 143000 people. the p a is currently paying an average between 60 and 75 percent of salaries due to each worker. because israel is withholding the tax. this is the trade crossing between palestine and israel. these rarely saved will release the money, but with deductions and no money for the employees and goals of us present joy. gordon is putting a tremendous amounts of pressure on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to release the funds for the palestinian authority. to us though is claiming it once a revitalized pe to take a vengeful controlling cause off the wall. anything other than a week, p a is not something is wrong, one's currently view far as he is this week. as it as the past, it's getting weaker on counting the cost of tax, my whole face of the red sea,

it disrupting global trade, could then push out the price isn't pump fuel inflation. africa's mounting debt is crippling the confidence development. plus we look at how sleep has turned into a multi $1000000000.00 business, counting the cost on i'll just say around the video and stop cool rules. it is real. must take steps to prevent and punish genocide indoors or the around the clock. this is out 0 life and also coming up for just as outside the international court of justice in the hague, of demand strong action. so this is the death toll times more than 26000 palestinians have now been killed in his rails with lint.