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faced as m $23.00 rebels on the come galleys army fight in the east of the country . that changed on friday, when 2 booms struck this neighborhood on the outskirts of the city of going. so before now got mess, i was very afraid because the fighting is approaching our homes and we can see how the government's not helping us. how can the government wait until the problems actually reach us? it should stop this type of thing from happening. it's not acceptable or trouble. as the fighting draws close to residents from government surrounding villages have left heading to displacement comes from the city or to south keep it on the same day. am 23 rebels i believe, to have shot out to you and had a call to let me see region. in recent weeks, the group has been finding government forces that as it tries to steve, the city of 2nd 24 kilometers away is the last city before the launch areas of north key view on now under its control in the run up to elections in december
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president felix to security promised he would read the country of m. 23. the congolese minute treat blames the own group for the bombing. which m 23 to nice. it was the we have been maintaining pressure on the m $23.00 rebels with a military operation on the ground. and this is why they decided to launch a bomb from an area in the mountains where we are fighting them. unfortunately, it had a human cost and caused serious damage to civilian buildings. after being dormant for use, the group re imaged in 2021 and millions of people have since been forced from their homes by the conflict. un peacekeepers appearing out of phase withdrew from the area of to both of the cool people and the government accused of failing to prevent the spread of m. 23 by the end of april to start from the mission will have left south key to many people. here anxious,
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don't watch will happen next. medic onto 0. a set of calls president has postponed the presidential election scheduled for february the 25th happy concerns of the integrity of the votes last month and action authorities excluded some opposition. members from the candidates, one candidate who wasn't allowed to take part requested a delay, but another policy just from exposing the votes would be what it calls an institutional could a talk from a president my case, all his said he will not run for the 3rd time that's all from me. we're going to be back in about 13 minutes. something fun is next on the buckets on is ordering a general election on february the 8th with this form or later on von and present many buckets on. is that asking if the boys will be free and they're without the
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data for the latest development and details analysis a more than a dozen countries have announced that they are cutting funds to enroll you into a agency for palestinians. so what impact will that have on the people in god? bless that question to the you in special rep, a tour on the occupied palestinian territories. francesca i've been in the 1st of january 26 united nation's highest traditional body. the international court of justice rode on for visual measures in south africa's landmark genocide case against is while the ruling was held as a legal when for palestinians, many are questioning what practical implications this will have on the war. and what does this mean for israel will discuss it all with this, with headliner, south africa's and bastards of united states to be so entering the bass and entering the thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. thank you. since october 7, countries all around the world have been critical of israel's campaign in gaza. but
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it was south africa that brought the case to the i c j, the international court of justice. why? i think we, you, most of remember that we come from there a similar situation as the of the palestinians. we come from a policy where we went with class to a denial i basic lives and oral data. so the plight of, of by less deviance we, we, we, we, we can relate to, um, and that we are not able to be in different to sites flight because it's just like i was, it's identical to, to, to apply them via a good me we, we can lead to, we came to the conclusion that our struggles with similar and then we also came to conclusions that to the people who are plants to us with quite flimsy to
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i'm and i'm in the pub dates of africa to very large extent. really probably handles and so on. was maintained by it was right. so so so so, so we had all those cup and $92.00 and we thought that would come to feed and doing that feed and watch them getting from bed to worse. and that to let us do something, something just to stop the, the every day, the sufferings last friday, the, i think a issue to provisional ruling on your case of africa's case against israel. and the court said that it was quote, plausible, that is real, had committed genocidal acts in palestine. the court called on israel to take quote all measures to prevent genocide and also to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide. however, despite those rules or decisions,
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the world court stop short of calling for a ceasefire, and that's what the south african governor was actually asking for. oh, was that uh, surprising to it was surprising because we had hoped that we're going to get that this is fight up because we still believe that to the, to the best. and that this a comes through and says, you know, of a, to get us as far as the way it will stop picking the, the, the, the cutting each, you know, but that's why it would be better. but having said that, if you look at this pro vision, that measures on the outside of the be a mounting to this is fine because it could be very difficult to get it out to this provision that makes sense and be able to report in, in a months time without doing things differently. see this so to let me push on that a little bit because israel's position is we're happy to take all measures to prevent and civilian death to prevent you know,
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violence or death and cetera. because that's what we've always been doing. so they're going to make the case that whatever the court is asking them to do, they're going to carry out because they've always been carrying it out. and at the depths that we're seeing, the 26000 deaths in 3 months are not because they want to kill people. but because a mazda is let them know choice by hiding in hospitals and refugee camps and all of this stuff. what would you say to that? you see that those providers not measure is i'd say if you talk is about to people access to head to, to medical and health care facilities. all right? yeah. then it means that they must be secured. they must be able to go there. they must not be afraid that they will be pumped if we are talking about people having access to medicaid to them that toward the end, the to c t and all of that, it must be available. if you're talking about the humanitarian eat, to be able to reach way into is most into me that then that must not be any finding
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that is going on. it must be able to go. so it will be very difficult for us to tell why the should up, i mean, why be sure to school, why the, the palm disclosure of the company being that, that vince web and seeing what comes very use carpet bonding because of how much is hiding behind civilians and all that pass didn't work that way. what you'd say is, is that track ink is cumulate in you in the okay, me. and i don't think we are saying they should not change the i am is and all of that, we're not saying that. but what do i say, leave the civilians out of these and what, what it says most, it's been a number of young people to but i mean to that, that, that, that, that they seem to be the majority of women and children are the majority of them collectively, it is the 20 more than $26000.00. yeah. people have died. $10000.00 of them are our deals and it's uh, we're somewhere around one percent of the overall child population free as it has
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been killed. that that's a, that's a stunning number. cut this lot, you have confidence that israel will do anything different in the aftermath of the ruling. and if so, what we've done to know we've done to know really we don't know, we don't know. but i think that to really depend on build resolve, offering traditional community because i think they've judges have done their best . and i think they've given us the best decisions of that that to be pulled under the circumstances. and that was up to the international community because going to the un though. yeah. so it's up to international community to make up in his mind whether it wants to protect the palestinians. you're talking about the will of the of the and that's the community. what commuter national community to israel says we're not going to change or the good. there are a lot of people who i'm in the as international committee can do a lot of back level, but leg photo sense the complete type. so let's you know, if it's not complete 10 percent, that's what it is. you know, if flushing is, i'm
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a to, to, to behave in a sent in my mouth and that tool that, that to them in the, and that seems like a denying them my kids in the functioning them to the extreme and bump going them center say, and all that we have that those measures they've been used before. it can still be used. so hands, i'm saying it's not as different and there's no community doesn't have ways of dealing with the international community. we do listen to this now community have meetings and level inches and all of that. it is up to us to decide that we are going to hold for the what the charges they have said. and the judges have told us what we own is being suspected. there are people who say there are lots of places that did something wrong. but only the jewish state is getting isolated it's, it's a mob been very israel's national security minister. in addition to just dismissing
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the ruling opinion of it, so he said haig she made on his ex account. he also said that wasn't i submitted a, do you have a concern or how do you respond to the concern that the specific choice to bring israel to the international court is an anti semitic. you see that the but i find postal very, very said, you know, that you do horrible things and then you hide behind says things of, i'm just, i'm in order to model i live like maybe people and to play me less into stop me sheets and keeping quiet that has been used it as, as, as i speak. and i will tell you how horrible that is, that to say that the business of some of the most prominent pulse being in support as in south africa, jews who are in the forefront of pushing that something has to be done.
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the south african jews who will be involved in the idea about the struggle. and they're still alive at the pushing for this because they say they come say up i paid 12 the, let's was wrong. but to be quiet, upload to the what you piece, you know, supposed quite last night. so now we're then going to say, what these people are, the type of people you're talking about. they then call them, they say it'd be a set of 18 days of 18 because they've got to got to spend up. that's what we're doing as well. and that's what i'm saying. it becomes so sad to that so, so long. they have managed to do a motor made on machines on people and saying that once you could use fires, what you're doing in impulse buys, they're all plastic, even of a policy meals and this lot of pilots, females, they call that on the 17th. so i don't know what this i'm just, i'm is the minimal germany. i had previously said that it would intervene on behalf
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of israel. but at the world court saying there was no basis what so ever. for the accusation of genocide they argued that the, the interpretation of genocidal intent has to be more restricted. yeah. um, however, in announcement uh came after the i see jeez decision where a german foreign minister angelina a bareback said that israel's still must adhere to the icj a ruling based on what we see now. do you believe that germany will be intervening on israel's behalf in the next stage of this? and we really don't know and of cause. that's why we went to do. we stay out, i let them do it. but we still insisting on what we think is happening impulse of what, what i think about germany. and i just think about the why, you know, you talked to it more blackmail. i mean, is there a, is there
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a hiding guilt from european nations given their own role, and they're not to hold the costs are to go for, but when they feel guilty, they should show it's moving towards us that view. it's the opposite. that's the 5 foot at the end of the project. go now lives in the 1st go to the point you give call and they're about to go to work. basically as they both do things, that will be what would it be? would it be call that team, that is 3 and a and what do they stolen from ma'am? from the code to the end. you see? so in this, to be connected, the lives that we lost and all that. we are talking about genocide to now to have you had it, the one who fell into the club, the least genocide of pen wheeler. when people tell me, little people to look to buy a king drew up one of those beds you have you ever heard of it? nobody talks about that. nobody pops up all that. so what, how is the sense of guilt not to buy loans?
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why is it like that side and not this side? so if it was a me to show it to us to investigate. thank you so much for joining that. i appreciate that good. thank you. thank you. 1000 may be facing a collapse of humanitarian system as donor countries pull funding from the united nations relief and works agency or underwood of course the provider of a both before and after october 7th. thus far, at least 26000 guys have been killed in another 1700000 have been displaced. so why during the time of crisis of countries pulled the funding and what will happen to civilians would depend on the agency for survival. if you were to speak with us about this is the united nation special rep or tour on the situation of human rights in the palestinian territory occupied since 1967 francesca ebony same for jessica, thanks so much for joining me on. upfront israel has accused 12 underwood employees of being involved in the october 7th attacks against israel. the u. n. has said
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that it's investigating these serious allegations, but since been at least a dozen countries including united states, germany, u. k. have already stop giving funding to the agency, but you wouldn't officially have warned that the loss of the funding could lead to a collapse of humanitarian system from your perspective. but what impact would this have on the people? um, thank you for having me mark. um, 1st of all, i think that we should impact is the spanish of times and to my knowledge, the number of countries okay. does. so i just reached 18 right now, and this is absolutely shocking, and it's not justifiable apparently. i mean, we, we have not seen the evidence that their obligations that term a twitter, staff member, savannah. i have participated in the 7th of october. i kept i while
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without even ensuring your groceries has terminated the contract. so these are all these people in the interest of the agency as the commissioner general said again the, the logic of the suspending funds given the fact that the united nations iraq has already taken measures taken very seriously. these are negations, it makes no sense whatsoever. and also because it's going to need to raise your money turning to pass for future worse than what we are see already with the risk profoundly lose under it got to straight and with the risk of all the diseases which are already spread the even worse and killing more people, they you money for him, affairs and emergency release corps. the nature of the un, much in great shape, has hosted withdrawing funds for manual is founders and would resolve in the collapse of the mind or in the system. in augusta,
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we find ration you mind are in and human rights consequences, not totally in gaza. youtube, i just want us to encourage rebuttal sort of the region because we shall not forget that our ovary. and i enjoy doing cd 11 and it'd be putting the into was by finish jerusalem. and so bottom line is that a keystroke would have to take immediate responsibility for the $2.00 media and survivors in, in gaza. and this is not a reassuring prospect of getting their reported level violence against civilians but also in the rest of the policy and territory. so in light of the picture, you just painted the gross humanitarian consequence. the, the, the violence of displacement, the disease, the potential famine, if all of that is going to happen as a consequence of the alleged crimes of 12 people in under. what would that not amount to collect the punishment as it does. this was my 1st
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assessment when i, when i, birthdays because 1st of all, as i just as i said, it makes no sense logically, to palm the should the agency for something that has been allegedly done by a few members of the organization. you know, i has a very sorrow of becky groceries, but i mean, what is expected to do enough about policing tools said like, no other agencies that has that. so it's very unrealistic to a respected an armoire who checked in an environment, austin's of the dental, the guy says the truth, which has been the case for 16 years. and we just offered 5 major worst before the 7th of october, where there is a lot of tension and we're east this back to the routing. okay. all righty, it's, it says all people but also the people. so could you say
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a little bit more about the embedding process though, because there are people in the global community who have accepted the logic in the narrative. that under will actually is very indiscriminate in the palestinians that they hired to work on the ground for unaware, particularly in the gaza strip. and that it's just a breeding ground for, for these types of things. how would you respond to that? what is, what is it like, what is the bidding process like, you know, look, i think that there is being and these uh, these on vacations against our, our, our bar to open and i've talked against the agency that dates back to the cage and it got the intensified as of the 7 people to over there as being incorrectly increasing and sneering on the agency associating it to ha, including parliamentarians in the, in israel saying that the only way to ensure victory would imply destroying.
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i'm wrong, as i said in general, you, when you money, garden agencies cannot event. lucas personality for me, it doesn't say, but i'm logged out of background checks when, when he does to, when he can read through it. so it stops and it has 813013000 staff members in gaza serving 1700000 of find a seat. and so 75 percent of the policy and seeing guys are on rough beneficiaries . of course, on what kind of monitoring stuff. auctions outside the work at the same time um that i'm wrong has a stronger scrutiny of over the personality tires. and in fact, every 6 months, denise of both staff members and beneficiaries and vendors are due to me just to all whole states including israel. and so if you're going to use real, di didn't have information concerning any possible wrongdoings completed by iraq
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stock because i didn't have to equal the to the agency. okay. and we'll be building right now. so it seems to me an orchestrated campaign against up against iraq. so the allegations against unruh were made public on the same day that the i c j will, will during provisional measures in south africa's genocide case against israel's. is that a coincidence? hm. do you want me to be honest, ridiculous i'm, i think on it. i think the honestly, yeah, of course it was tardy. king, it was striking the day after the d. i. c. j, rudy. there was this new circulating and all of a sudden that order was started and on the vendor stage, the us 1st and foremost is decided to suspend, just from the aid it to the agency. so it can be read as
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a way to shoot the pension away from the i, c j, a general find the in 3 more order. and again, it could be able to see now as far as the volume spending x for to be 0. do i need you need the agency? this is something that they expect, as i said to the post office or agreement, this is something new. but at the same time, what shocks me is the it's not necessarily the maneuvering a symbol maneuvering for me as well. what they find shocking is their response by menter stage, because talking fast one, rob, at the moment, if he's big, substantial for medium, for honesty and seeing gaza, who are enjoying catastrophic leaving michelle, helped me understand that those members things. because again, if it were even just the united states, or if it was just made the call and no one responded to to the request of cutting the refunds, it would be less shocking. but again, we're talking about more than a dozen countries. suspending the funding before in the investigation is completed
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. how do they, how does it justified, how do you make sense of that? it makes it cannot be justified. and so it sort immoral, irresponsible, but also in my have seriously got indications for this. for this stage. the and again on the one ahead of the, during the fox to death. some of these transactions have been originally followed by new i. c. j mosley, constituting general side. this implies and these are the responsibility for member states because basically the i t j has a nurse to the international community. all the reason i'm kind of finding garza and the does order the media to and effects to the auction. so they have to dig reactions, seeing their power to prevent these drugs from couldn't to continuing with my procedure general side. and the 2nd is to um, to ensure they, they do not to aid and abet. we the,
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we tend to go to the ox and they might be seen the hoss complicit with lots of genocide. so instead of insuring that you money tie on a is the neighborhood is zip is given trenton. now what they do is they take action, castigating the agency that provides critical support to maintenance of the policy and seem to try, how do you make sense of that? i mean, you're in point out the paradox and it's huge contradiction. how do these powerful nations arrive at the conclusion that this makes sense? i seen and i'm the country. and now seeing that they will, couldn't see their restating 8. well, it's not sufficient. they shouldn't have done anything the 1st place. and now they should. the really defines the soon as possible. i don't know where they are telling themselves. i have no idea, but i hope that the civil society and the people,
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the peoples of this country when we take action instead of a series of women, this is all the time to be signed. again, the international community has proven unable, unable to be then to general tides in other patients because something in wrong the separating both are single be not. but this is unique on this data. so somehow we got, as that has said before, the international court of justice, because this is a genocide that is being painted by and documented by this back, the very big things. and then i pull them to see they're not going to be in the door. these people shown the by priority, but not only western countries is a be small, and these are present structure. this is seth showed what there should moment tomorrow because it, these stuff is clear that there is a huge divide. that is not just a symbolic between the west and the wrist where there is also
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a gray area where in my, you, out of countries, i've not done enough either to protect the policies, but a game international law is being completely this month. so whatever the international and international base the system can do to protect the lives of, of people in danger and to ensure a peace and that'd be before all is being completely dismantled. and this is, this is shocking. of course, francesca, vanessa, thank you so much for joining us, an upfront thank you. all right, everyone, that is our show. a 1st will be back the the latest news, as it breaks, the old wind gauze has left thousands of students across this trip in limbo. the
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