a day without the data for the latest development and details. and now let's say there is no channel that covers world news like we do, we revisit places the state houses are really invested in that. and that's a privilege. as a journalist, how far will the us go? it's not getting it wrong, the link to targets, and then at least washington is counted on strikes against pro error on the groups in syria and iraq. the retaliation for drawing a tax last week in june. so could this spill over into a wider conflicts. this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian instead of going to the united states as but it struck at least 85 targets in iraq and syria using long range bombers

floating directly from the us. they were carried off in response to a drug attack on an army base in jordan last weekend. the killed 3 american soldiers on the groups, backed by a ron targeting the us of rich support for israel as well. and gaza. president joe binds and says the us attacks just the beginning of its retaliation. so how will iran react? and could this lead to a why the regional conflict? there's plenty to dissect and to discuss. but for us, this report takes a closer look at those us strikes the us as the launch dozens of air strikes and syria and iraq using long range bombers. the white house says it does not see conflict in the middle east, but warns that attacks will continue at times and places of its choosing. the us military forces struck more than $85.00 targets at 7 facilities utilized by a wrong islamic revolutionary article. and another thing,

groups that they sponsor 3 of the facilities are rec, for of them are in series in american officials. cool. the strikes are tell you ation to a drone attack on us troops. nearly a week ago, 3 soldiers were killed and dozens injured at the military base in jordan. presumably the goal of the campaign is to re establish the tourist, which is at the end of the day, a political and a psychological condition. so the question is, can the, these actions inflict enough damage on a rainy, an interest that the uranium as well uh, you know, basically step back from doing this sort of thing. again, in the future, iraq's military condemned, the attack is a violation of its sovereignty. and serious governments as the occupation of its territory by us forces cannot continue the

present to bind vows to these strikes are just the beginning, leaving me to wonder how far the us is prepared to go. since i'm on an al jazeera for inside story, the, let's bring it, i guess for today's discussion from trevor on, we're joined by a 100 not on the political out list and professor at the university of to ron from london right up ma'am. so city, a research fellow and director of the iraq initiative of chess of house of british think tank. i'm from washington dc. laurence cooled city, a fellow at the center for american progress and full about us, the assistant secretary of defense gentlemen, welcome the, we'll have it. but i'm the professor at how dangerous a little bit is for the is this for the region will lead strikes be the last the united states is only a big and get digging itself into, you know, into a deep, deeper hole of the united states. as a legally occupying one 3rd of syria,

the united states keeps its military bases in iraq despite the fact that the rocky problem, as told them to leave. they struck bases that are linked to the iraq military. they belong to the miller, the rocky military in the rockies condemned the attack. and the same issue with syria and they were fighting, wants to look strong. he hasn't attacked iranians. and most importantly is the fact that this is about the rocky and syrian sovereignty. the americans liked to call everyone, ronnie, and proxies. the yeah, many uses the lebanese, the palestinians and the rockies and the syrians. but that's just, they're just misleading public opinion and they're pulling themselves. people don't like their countries to be occupied. okay. you could also argue, professor, that the iran is occupying pots of, of syria iraq and unloading and couldn't,

you know, iran doesn't have any forces any rock. and he runs a role in syria is with the consent of the internationally recognized government in damascus. and in any case, but it has, but it has, it has proxy and it does have proxy malicious, but it does not know whatever iran does in syria. it is with a consent and support of the government. iran helps defeat. i assess and i'll kind of remember in on february the 12th 2000 and the 12, jake sullivan, the now if you and the us national security advisor sent an email to hillary clinton saying, who is the secretary? say it states saying that in syria outside is on our side. i just came from outside the us defense intelligence agency,

document of 2012 said that the u. s. allies in the region wanted to establish a solid, fed, a solid office entity between iraq and syria. and then to the general general michael saying, who was the head of the that agency at the time set in an interview on, on al jazeera that the you let us took a willful decision to support the establishment of the solid present to the that was isis so the iranians, when the us and it's allies, we're establishing highs this and now kind a and there are serious, the iranians were helping the syrians and the rockies to prevent ices from taking over the mass coast and by the boat. right out a lot. so a lot of them, what do you make of what he just said as well? i think uh, i mean it's important to kind of new on some of the history of the americans. we're also invited to iraq in 2014, by the iraqi government to support in the fight against isis. so at that time and during the fight against isis, the americans and the iranians had, they had

a common enemy. and they, fox, uh, you know, not looks at not on the same side by side, but with this, with the common and after i says we're living in this sort of post isis. what is it or rena, this region where now they're sort of turned on each other, and this is the latest part of this escalation. so both either on and the u. s. has significant influence across these countries. in the us does have troops in iraq and syria, and iran, of course, has, you know, i agree that you calling them proxies. takes the agency away from these blues, but they are aligned and they do work together. and, and, and these are networks that span across human webinar, syria and iraq, pursuing at times the runs uh for them, policy goals. so this is a very dangerous, i think, i, you know, some are calling a tinderbox right now, where neither the raw news nor the americans want an all out war or a direct conflict. but what we're seeing is this tit for tat, show

a force that's making the region very dangerous. yeah, it, rocks ministry, spokes person, or at least that the ministry spokesman for the prime minister said that the, this us reprise will, will have disastrous consequences for the region. what do you mean when you say dangerous, and what do you think he meant by disastrous? well again, the, the search and see it are being constructed right now. the government is trying to present itself as a sovereign country. but of course, sovereignty the, it's very difficult to, to, to maintain. when you have the right hand, the, the tax, the americans, all constantly violating the boundaries of the rock. so throughout the government's perspective, for its own population, it's trying to say we are a solver and we, you know, we need to stand up when our territories are being attacked. when groups linked to the government. and keep in mind that groups like a tab, his beloved advocates in

a job and these different population, our groups are connected to the iraq, the government. and so it's, it's the prime minister of his spokes person coming out and presenting the vin near of a sovereign states when the reality is far from florence cold. do you wanna come back on on anything that you've heard so far before i put a direct question to you? and yeah, i think it's important to keep in mind that we left a rock in 2011. in fact, i talked a while ago about state basically we came back in 2014 at their invitation because what isis was doing, and basically that has been our role and uh, before october 7th, we were carrying this out. we were talking to the rockies about leaving. sometimes they say something publicly, but privately now they still wanted us to say. but after october 7th,

you had over a 160 attacks on the american forces, where in a rock and syria, fortunately, no one was killed. so our response was not overwhelming or as strong as it has been when the americans died. and that's where we are right right now. and my experience with the rockies, a lot of times they'll say something publicly to a piece that you're writing. but then primarily they'll say, no, no, we really still want you to say, what does it mean for the us as a desire to withdrawal from iraq complete play when we, when it, as it runs, as foreign ministry said lead to the us actually becoming more not less involved in the region as well. again. now a lot depends upon how long we need to go after the groups out. we're responsible not only for killing the americans, but those $160.00 your tax and whether or ray and will crying writing these groups

in. and you all and ran has 3 proxies in the region. they've got the holidays and yep. and they've got a, they've got, has the law and level to and then they've got the, these are a rocky groups. so in, in, in a rock they completely control as well, all the others. they don't have much control, but they have. so i think this is what we're going to expect, not only in a rock, but with the who these assignments. but i the us special securities folks, i'm john cubby said that the, the goal is to get the attacks on us interest to stop with not he said, quote, looking for a war with iran. now. no targets were hit with in iran. and these were tired of 3 strikes out will i run and it's proxies respond when it will is ray in these groups in as lawrence said, the us wants it to well,

let's be clear, are contrary to what you're guessing. united states as these are not proxies. and the real issue here is the genocide and gaza have no doubt about it. and the united states, as we speak is preparing those rarely regime for an expansion and level. so in the coming weeks, we may have heavy fighting. the inside of another not of the united states is not retaliated in syria. the united states is an illegal occupation force in syria in the time for area where it occupies. in fact, there are tribes that were loyal to isis. those tribes are trained by the americans right now. and they use that area of tends to attack syrian government forces. and in the, in the last couple of months, they turn out to major attacks. in each case,

killing between $15.00 to $20.00 a conscript soldiers on buses. and i think on both occasions so the united states. it's present sincere as a legal, it is stealing, barry and oil, and the east of the country. and exporting it, any rock, the united states has bombed the rocky military position. it has destroyed you, rocky facilities that were constructed and paid for by the rocky government. this is the reality on the ground. nothing will change that. and i should also add that the united states, after the assassination of the rocky commander, i will matthew alamo hondas alongside general thoughts and solely money at the rocky international airport for over 4 years ago. the rocky problem is demanded that the united states leave and they never did. they said they leave, but the united states has one strong car to play with. and that is that all of you,

rocky oil that is sold. the money goes to accounts in the united states, and whenever the rocky government goes too far, the americans start withholding the rocky fund and creating a crisis in iraq. so the americans are like the godfather, they stand back, they pretend to the good guys. but just like in gaza where they are part of the this genocide. and here they play the same role. remember the united states and the rock, they helped saddam hussein the west gave sit down with st. chemical weapons. do us both alongside sat down with st against the wrong in 1988 striking iranian ships. and then it turned against iraq. later on, it invaded iraq who created this mess. it was the united states largest. you want to come back on on that as well. again, i think it's important to keep in mind that we did leave when the rockies asked us to leave. okay. we were willing to leave some folks there. but biology said no. so

we left completely. we were asked to come back by the iraqi government and the other thing i think it's important to keep in mind the rocky government publicly will say things to a piece of land, but privately they'll tell us no, we really still want you to have to stay so i think it's important to keep that in mind. and basically we ended up in syria to fight isis, which was going after the rocky curves. that's why we were, we're all up there. so this has been our role. and prior to the attack, the october 7th attacks, there was no conflict going on. there were no shell waiting or anything like that. it was october 7th when a ray and i think gave the green light to a lot of what they called a cod force. people in iraq to attack americans in rock and

syria. so i think this out is the key thing. but norris, i mean how to, how do you answer a professor around these accusations that the, the us is ultimately caused all of this in a hit, for instance, he was the, he was saying that, but the u. s. is in syria illegal in his stealing. it's oil. no, wait a 2nd, we're not sarah. legally. we went, they are when they are rocking government assets to protect the iraqi kurds in isis went up into syria. that's where we're there. we're not. they act fact. we've been criticized with not getting involved in the syrian civil war, which was part of the arc spring right on. i know you're waiting patiently, but i'll just throw it briefly back to the bahamas, where on they just adjust the ones to that and then we'll move on the book. i gave the evidence the book and go back to the email jake sullivan. they can go to the defense intelligence agency, document of 2012. they can go to michael fins interview on al 00. they can also go

and look at the history of the us dealing oil. they can also go back into 20142015 when iraq you, oil was being sold at by isis to neighboring countries and to out of be and as well . and the us air force back then was flying over ices positions that may never struck any of those thousands of tankers. it was only when the russians actually entered one of the 1st things that they did was a space truck that was convoys. the history of the united states and ices is clear as day. and the united states is history with saddam hussein. being an ally of saddam hussein and with the west, giving him chemical weapons that is clear as day as well. all right, the united states always wants to present itself as the protagonist, just like in gaza. ok, and gaza fits the palestinians. vault history began on october, the 7th end of story. that's not going to solve the problem for the united states,

the united states as a declining power, and it has to begin to look at reality objectively. otherwise, it will suffer more than anyone else. all right, right outside the textbook for waiting for a patient before a again, i ask you a specific questions you just want to uh, want to come in on on what you've heard to you the yeah, sure. i think the, you know, trying to build a narrative between good guys and bad guys, no matter who is on the good and bad, isn't really helpful to trying to understand what is going on. of course, both the ronnie ends and the americans pursued their interests. been pursued politically, economically, militarily, how they could maintain as much influence as possible in the, in, in the, in the region. now what's become there is that the americans have had more of an ingle here is to their foreign policy withdrawing at times. coming back in really being unable to maintain strong influence. and if you look at the other side that your audience have the, your audience have built strong networks of allies on groups across the region with

a plan inside. that's not a plan for just today and tomorrow, but a plan for, you know, decades in advance and that's the strategic difference, the binding of the ministration right now. you know, before october 7th was withdrawn from iraq. there was the joint cooperation, you know, dialogue, security, dialogue in which the divided ministration was basically saying, we are withdrawn our troops and this is what we want. and the rocky government was, was on the same page. so there was a process, a roadmap. now of course, october 7th has had, you know, it's complicated that because of israel's bombardment of guides and also attacks again. so you know that i guess americans and iraq and syria, as we've seen, including the depth, it's hard for the buyers with ministration. now to be seen as withdrawing, especially in light of what happened and i've gotta stand by the administration doesn't want to leave it like it's running away or that it looks appears weak. so that's what we're stuck right. and now it's very clear that both americans and they

are different want to with martha withdrawal. but how do you, how do you construct that theaters is the challenge. and then as far as the strikes themselves, a concerned of what, what are we to make of the scale and scope of them? were you surprised at how far they went and on will they as national security spokesman john cubby is hoping to get the attacks against us interests in the region to stop? well, 1st of all, i mean there have been a tax against kentucky as well. uh and then other of these are groups, these iran outlined globes in your options here for many years. um, you know, places like outta and which was quite heavily had, has costs and even been hit over the year. so i wasn't surprised that such 5 by these heads, you know, i don't mind the lenders who was killed along side pass and spend money by the americans. you know, in january 2020 was the head of contacts as well. and then many of these groups i think was become clear is as a response, you could a time, you could kill them,

their leaders, you could continue to, to attract their economic interest. you can sanction them. but this isn't working. these groups are surviving and they're more influential. so there's just a fundamental predicament that the americans have, and that is that their policy tools, whether it's attacking whether it's sanctioning isn't working to advance american interest. lawrence cope to what extent did president bind to have to act and order these strikes. he was in a pretty impossible position was the but needed to tread a fine line between the tyrants says as the us sees it, an escalation as well. there's no doubt about it, he had to do something for both, i think strategically and politically because he's up for re election and the republicans are criticized them for just leaving our troops and they are and their view defenseless. so i think his 1st response was very, very well plan. okay. unfortunately,

some people were killed about 37 in the 2 places, but they attacked the infrastructure, all the forces. they are about 85 of the targets so far, and this will make it more difficult for them to continue attacking the american, the american, the all forces. so i think it's been measured, want to think was really significant, is the fact that we use b one bomb or start slow all away from the united states. because these are nuclear capable. now they weren't high tech, a nuclear bombs, but they can really unleashed devastating consequences much more than a fighter aircraft that you might have on an aircraft carrier. and the other thing is, i think we're basically working now with the right. and so i'm sure this doesn't get out of hand. remember, we were the radians that isis will go to attack them about a month ago. we trauma, because that's why we're there. remember isis?

the one who attack us on 911. so we have been concerned about it. we're not involved in this? no, no, no, no, i didn't mean to interrupt, you know, i just, i was just coming towards the end of your point. okay. but the, by the by haven't, my idea is i can see him smiling and shaking his head. he has a he wants to want us to get it and go go ahead. mama, that's the americans did not give any intelligence about the bomb attack. that is just a fable, but at the end of the day, the facts remain to fax, the united states occupation in syria and iraq are illegal. contrary to what you're a good guess in london. believes the united states hasn't, has no plans to leave syria, aren't you? rock and the united states has been dragging its feet as much as possible, and it will do so. and that's for us to leave. but what the united states did last night is not going to change anything. they, most of the people that they killed were innocent people, they found the bakery,

they bombed a gas gas station. they bombed a recreational park and they killed the few syrians and the q u rockies. they didn't touch iranians and the bomb the same place that they've been bombing for many years. they bond as are guessing london pointed out they find these areas in the past. and it is interesting that as soon as the americans carried out these air strikes, isis attacked these bases in 4 different areas. why is that the case? because the united states has been working with the tribes that were with isis before. and as time is a center for that, so ultimately if the united states wants to continue down this road, he can work in killing more people that can create more minutes range. but this is going to get worse. and in the united states, ultimately, just as it failed and you rock enough on this on, in libby and german and elsewhere, it's going to fail here as well. okay, we're, we're rapidly running out of time right now, but i will come back to you. you can have the final word, but 1st i, i've got

a plan lawrence responded to, to what he's just about as well. again, i think it's important. keep in mind we want to take it out of a rock. it was a mistake for us to when they added cost. so it's much more than we thought we were asked to go back. i can't emphasize that too much because the president obama was trying to get out of that. that area, he campaigns are. we were asked to go back, that's why we went back and we have back channel communications with around all of the time. and as i say, again, i have very good information that we warned around about. the ice is attacked close out to we're fighting and previous to october, 7th, to all of these year since 2014 and 10 years our courses weren't attacked. there was only after october 7 that they were attacked, hoping that would get us to put pressure on uh, on israel. and by the way,

we are putting pressure on israel. okay. alright. all right, we're almost out of out of time and please briefly it coming on on what you've just told i wanted to ask you about about what would it make of us policy. and the reason concerning these groups is that a coherent us policy? i think one of the challenges for the, for the us isn't incl here isn't. and in the policy, it's a sort of one foot it one foot out approach, which isn't working. as i say, the americans have killed very senior armed leaders in iraq, syria, over the years. they've sanctions, many of these groups, all the policy tools that the us have to try. and as you know, quite bottled these groups to try and maintain their own insurance aren't working. and that's why we're in the reality that we are today, which, which is an arena and a region where the americans, insurances is waning, and you know, 20 years 21 years on since 2003, the us is losing its, it's increasing it losing as leverage that, i'm afraid, gentlemen,

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