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in the capital when took, it was announced last month he had cancer and was undergoing treatment in gulf was the nation started president following independence in 1990 while he was well respected across africa. some say a corruption scandal tainted his legacy. miller says, look back at his political career. how good again, god bless them, they'd be a both as president and to time prime minister. before he's presidential election, gain, gulf was prime minister from 1990. when the movie a gained independence from south africa until 2002, and he became the country's longest subbing prime minister when he again took office between 20122015. the group was born in 1941 and began a teaching career 20 years later in the 19 seventy's. again,
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god bless these homeland to work with the united nations while rising within the ranks of the independence movement, the south west africa, peoples organization, a swap on following his return home off to almost 3 decades. he, along with others spearheaded and election campaign. the boats walker to paul was much of gain clubs, work as president to focus some african organizations, conflict resolution and governance across the continent. but his reputation was painted by one of the country's worst corruption scandals known as the shot gang up was accused in 2021 of instructing a government official to divert funds from a state transition company to bribe attendees at the 2017th swap of individual congress. to vote liam, he denied the allegations as efforts i read about clear matching up the window, a 0 balance grad school option group. and again, god's leadership is party last,
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it's 2 thirds majority of the 2019 election. while swapper remains in the movies launches party, its popularity waiting due to vote to anger of a rising unemployment and the corruption scandal and 2014 gang up revealed you have survived prostate cancer. 10 years late to regular medical chick up revealed another cancer diagnosis. but his health deteriorated rapidly, following treatment in the united states and later at home, gain garbage survived by his wife, monica colombo and 3 children from previous marriages. that's everybody in the clock we got up front, cut me off. that's a good website out there, a dot com is the address that is watching the on counting, the cost of china is economy face has a slew of setbacks. is it in serious trouble?
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tech jobs, i make a big profit skip by laying off thousands of workers plus poly employment while employees increasingly working multiple jobs. counting the cost on houses 0 more than a dozen countries have announced that they are cutting funds to enroll you into a agency for palestinians. so what impact will that have on the people in the us last that question to the you in special rep, a tour on the occupied palestinian territories. francesca ebony, the 1st of january 26, united nations highest traditional body. the international court of justice rolled on provisional measures in south africa's landmark genocide case against is while the ruling was hailed as a legal wind for palestinians. many are questioning what practical implications this will have on the war. and what does this mean for israel will discuss it all with this, with headliner top advertising bastards of united states to be so entering the basset entering the thank you so
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much for joining me on upfront. thank you. thank you. since october 7, countries all around the world have been critical of israel's campaign in gaza. but it was south africa that brought the case to the i c j, the international court of justice. why? i think you most of remember the to we come from there or a similar situation as the of the palistine as we come from my path, the where we will class to a denial i basic lives in order of the so the plight of, of by lesbians we, we, we, we can relate to, um, and that we are not able to be in different to sites flight because it's just like i was, it's identical to, to, to apply them via a good me we, we can lead to, we came to
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a conclusion that our struggles with similar and then we also came to conclusions that to the people who are placed us with quite friendly to i'm, i'm, i'm in the pub dates of africa to very large extent, really tell me and or, and so on, was maintained by it is right, so so so so, so we had all of those come and $92.00 and we thought that would contrast feet and doing that feed and watch them getting from bed to worse. and that to let us do something, something just to stop the, the every day, the sufferings last friday, the, i think j issued a provisional ruling on your case of africa's case against israel. and the court said that it was quote, plausible, that is real, had committed genocidal acts in palestine. the court called on israel to take quote all measures to prevent genocide and also to prevent and punish the direct and
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public incitement to commit genocide. however, despite those rules or decisions, the world court stop short of calling for a ceasefire, and that's what the south african governor was actually asking for. but was that surprising to? it was surprising because we had hoped that we're going to get that this is fine because we still believe that to the, to the best. and that this a come students is, you know, of a, to get, this is fi, uh, as a way of stopping the, the, the, because of each, you know, but that's why it would be better. but having said that, if you look at this pro vision, the measures they will try to be amounting to this is fine because it to be very difficult to get it out to this provision that makes sense and be able to report. and in a month's time, without doing things differently, you see this. so to let me push on that little bit because israel's position is
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we're happy to take all measures to prevent and civilian deaths to prevent you know, violence, or depth and cetera. because that's what we've always been doing. so they're going to make the case that whatever the court is asking them to do, they're going to carry out because they've always been carrying it out. and at the depths that we're seeing, the 26000 deaths in 3 months are not because they want to kill people. but because a mazda is let them know choice by hiding in hospitals and refugee camps and all of this stuff. what would you say to that? you see the, those parameters not measure is i'd say if you talk is about to people access to head to, to medical and health care facilities. right. and then it means that they must be secured. they must be able to go there. they must not be a fleet that they will be ball if we are terrible about people having access to medicaid to them that toward the end a to c t and all of that,
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it must be available. if you're talking about to the, to many, 10, and 8 to be able to reach way into is most into me that then that must not be any finding that is going on. it must be able to go. so it will be very difficult for each level to tell why the should up. i mean, why the switch to school? why the, the palm, the school of the company being that, that one of these web and seeing what kind of city you use, cup and funding because of how much is hiding behind civilians and all that passed didn't work. that way. what you'd say is, is that truck is coming, they knew in emil kaylee and i don't think we are saying they should not change the images. and all of that, we're not saying that, but what do i say? leave the civilians out of these. and what one says most, it's been a number of young people to but i mean to that that, that, that, that they seem to be in the majority of women and children are the majority of
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collectively it have the 20 more than $26000.00 people have died $10000.00 of them are our deals and it's uh, we're somewhere around one percent of the overall child population free as it has been killed. that that's it. and that's a stunning number. cut this lot. you have confidence that israel will do anything different in the aftermath of the ruling. and if so, what we've done to know we've done to know really we don't know, we don't know, but i think that will really depend on build resolve, offering traditional community because i think the judges have done their best. and i think they've given us the best decisions that have that to be put under the circumstances and that it's up to the international community because it's going to the un though. yeah. so it's of the international community to make up in his mind whether it wants to protect the palestinians. you're talking about the will of the, of the international community. what commuter national community to israel says, we're not going to change or the good there. a lot of people who were, i'm in the,
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as international come i have to can do a lot of things, but one of the leg photos and so the big complete type. so let's you know, for user, right, complete type of percent. that's what it is, you know, if flushing is, i'm a to do to behave in a sent in my mouth and that tool that, that to them and that, and that seems like a, a denying them my pets in the functioning them to the extreme and bump going them so to say, and all of that we have that those measures they've been used before. it can still be used. so hands, i'm saying it's not as different and there's no community doesn't have ways of dealing with the international community. we do listen to this know, community have meetings and level inches and all of that. it is up to us to decide that we are going to hold for the what the charges they've said. and the judges have told us what we own is being suspect to their people,
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to say there are lots of places they did something wrong, but only the jewish state is getting isolated it's. it's marvin to very israel's national security minister. in addition to just dismissing the ruling in and of it, so he said haig she made on his ex account. he also said that was that i submitted a, do you have a concern or how do you respond to the concern that the specific choice to bring israel to the international court is an anti semitic. this is that the, but i find also very, very said, you know, that you do horrible things and then you hide behind says things of, i've the same way in order to model i live like maybe people and to play me less than to stop me sheets and keeping quiet that has been used it as, as, as i speak. and i will tell you how horrible that is that to say that the business of some of the most prominent
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palace being in support as in south africa, jews who are in the forefront of pushing that something has to be done. yes. well, definitely good jews who will be involved in the idea about the struggle and they're still alive at the pushing for this because they say they can see above paid was a let's was wrong. but to be quiet, upload to the what you pacing of, of quite last night. so now with them going to say what these people are, the type of people you're talking about. they then call them, they say it'd be a set of 18 days of 18 because they've got to got to spend up that what you're doing is wrong. and that's what i'm saying. it becomes so sad to that so, so long. they have managed to do a motor play made on machines on people and saying that once you could use fires, what be a doing in, in file size. they are all plastering of a policy. me is,
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and this lot of pilots, females, they call that on the 17th. so i don't know what is i'm just images the minimal like germany. i had previously said that it would intervene on behalf of israel. but at the world court saying there was no basis what so ever. for the accusation of genocide they argued that the interpretation of genocidal intent has to be more restricted. yeah. um however, in announcement uh came after the i see jays decision where a german foreign minister angelina a bareback said that israel's still must adhere to the icy g ruling. uh, based on what we see now. do you believe that germany will be intervening on israel's behalf? and the next stage of this, we really don't know and of cause. that's why we went to do. we stay out, i let me look, let them do it. but we still insisting on what we think is
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happening impulse. what. what i think about germany and i just think about the why, you know, you talked about more blackmail. i mean, is there a, is there a hyphen guilt from european nations given their own role in the nazi holocaust? i don't know for, but when they seem get into the issue and show it's moving towards us that deal with the opposite gunsmith flatfoot at the end that they produce color. now lives in the physical, it doesn't mean that puts you people and they're about to go to work basically as they both do things that will be, what would it be? would it be colored thing that is 3 and a lot do they stolen from ma'am, from the code to the end. as you see. so it is to be connected, the lives that we lost and all that we are talking about genocide to now have you had it? the one who fell into the quote of these genocide of 10000000 people. 10000000 people to love to buy king do up one of those bells you have you ever heard of it?
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nobody talks about that. you know, nobody pops up all that. so what, how is the sense of guilt not to buy loans? why is it like that side and not this side? so if it was a me to show it was to investigate. thank you so much for joining the. i appreciate that. good. thank you. thank you. that is, it may be facing a collapse of humanitarian system as donor countries pull funding from the united nations relief and works agency or underwood acoustic provider of a both before and after october 7th. thus far at least 26000 guys have been killed . and another 1700000 have been displaced. so why during the time of crisis of countries pulled the funding and what will happen to civilians will depend on the agency for survival. here to speak with us about this is the united nation special rep, a tour on the situation of human rights and the palestinian territory occupied since 1967 francesca albany. same for jessica,
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thanks so much for joining me on upfront. uh, israel has accused 12 underwood employees of being involved in the october 7th attacks against israel. the u. n. has said that it's investigating these serious allegations, but since been at least a dozen countries including united states, germany, u. k. have already stop giving funding to the agency you in the officials of warned that the loss of the funding could lead to a collapse of the humanitarian system from your perspective. but what impact would this have on the people? oh, thank you for having me mark. um, 1st of all, i think that should impact is the spanish of times and to my knowledge, the number of countries will pass that down. so i've reached 18 right now, and this is absolutely shocking, and it's not justifiable apparently. i mean we, we have not seen the evidence that their obligations that time
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a 12 staff member survived raw, has participated in the 7th of october attach. and while, without even ensuring your gross has terminated the contract. so these are all these people in the interest of the agency as the commissioner general said again the, the logic of the suspending funds given the fact that the united nations iraq has already taken measures taken very seriously. these are negations to make some sense whatsoever. and also because it's going to need to weigh your money targeting capacity worse than what we are see already with the risk profoundly news going to it got to straight and with the risk of all diseases which are already spread the even worse and killing more people that you might even affair as an emergency release for the nature of the un marketing. grace shapes has hosted withdrawing
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funds for money. well, is found is and would resolve in the collapse of the mine or it's just, i mean, you gotta, we find ration you mind are in and human rights consequences know totally in gaza. youtube, i just want us to encourage rebuttal for us to reach them because we shall not forget that our rock will vary in i enjoy doing cd 11 and it'd be putting the into as they finish jerusalem on the so bottom line is that a keystroke would have to take immediate responsibility for the $2.00 media and survivors in gaza. and this is not a reassuring prospect of getting their reported level violence against civilians but also in the rest of the policy and territory. so in light of the picture, you just painted the gross humanitarian consequences, the violence of displacement, the disease, the potential famine, if all of that is going to happen as
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a consequence of the alleged crimes of 12 people in under. what would that not amount to collect the punishment as it does. this was my 1st assessment when i, when i heard these, because 1st of all i was, i just, as i said, it makes not no sense logically, to palm the should the agency for something that has been allegedly done by a few members of the organization. you know, i has a very sore king groceries, but i mean, what is expected to do that and have the policing tools so i like no other agencies that has that. so it's very unrealistic choice. inspected an armoire, who checked in an environment, austin's of the dental, the guy says trades which has been on the paid for 16 years. and we just offered 5 major worst before the 7th of october,
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where the reason the extensions and warehouse east this back to the routing. okay. all righty, it's, it seems logical but also the people. so could you say a little bit more about the embedding process though? because there are people in the global community who have accepted the logic in the narrative. that under will actually is very indiscriminate in the palestinians that they hired to work on the ground for unreal, particularly in the gaza strip. and that it's just a breeding ground for, for these types of things. how would you respond to that? what is, what is it like, what is the bidding process like? you know, i think that there is being and these uh, these on vacations against our, our, our bar to open and i've talked against the agency that dates back to the cage. and the dogma intensified as of the 7 jo looked over there as being a current, increasing sneering on the agency associating it to her mouth. and including
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parliamentarians in the, in israel saying that the only way to ensure victory would imply destroying. i'm wrong, as i said in general, you, when you money garden agencies can not bet lucas personality for meetings and see. but i'm logged out of background checks when, when he does to, when he come through. so it stops and he has 813013000 staff members in gaza serving 1700000 of find a seat. and so 75 percent of the policy and seeing guys are on rough beneficiaries . of course i'm working on monitoring stuff. auctions outside the work at the same time i'm ross has a stronger scrutiny of over the personality tires. and in fact, every 6 months at the needs of both staff members and beneficiaries and vendors are
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due to the judge to all most states, including israel. and so if you're going to use will be didn't have information concerning any possible wrong doings completed by iraq stock because i hadn't had to equal the to the agency. okay. and will be bleeding right now. switching to me an orchestrated campaign against up against iraq. so the allegations against unruh were made public on the same day that the i c j rolled on provisional measures in south africa's genocide case against israel's. is that a coincidence? hm. do you want me to be honest, 3 diplomatic, honest. i think the honest, yeah. ease of course it was try again. it was striking the day after the um, the i c. j, rudy. there was this new circulating and oh stop it or the stop another vendor
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stage. the us, 1st and foremost, is decided to suspend, just from the aid it to the agency. so it can be read as a way to shoot the pension away from the i. c j, a general side in 3 mortar. and again, it could be able so seen as far as to buy long spending, export to these ro, to, i mean, he made the agency. this is something that they expect, as i said to the post, also agreement. this is something new. but at the same time, what shocks me is the it's not necessarily the maneuvering a symbol maneuvering from israel. what they find is shocking is their response by member stage, because acting fast, one rock at the moment if he's big, substantial for medium, for honesty and seeing gaza, who are enjoying catastrophic leading companies. that helped me understand that those members things. because again, if it weren't even just in the united states,
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or if there's no just made the call and no one responded to, to the request to cut under refunds. it would be less shocking. but again, we're talking about more than a dozen countries. suspending the funding before the investigation is completed. how do they, how does it justified? how do you make sense of it? it makes it cannot be justified. so it so immoral, irresponsible, but also in my have seriously got indications for this, for this stage. the and again on the one ahead of the, during the fox to death. some of these transactions have been originally founded by new r i, c, j. those are pretty close to judging general side uh these implies and these are the responsibility for member states because basically the i, c, j has a nurse and international community. all the reason. i'm kind of finding garza and the does order the media to an effective action. so they have to dig an action, seeing their power to prevent these drugs from couldn't to continuing with my
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procedure genocide. and the 2nd is to um, to ensure they, they do not to aiden the, but we the, we tend to go to the ox and they might be seen the high school police it without soap jo site. so instead of ensuring that you money tie a is the very to is that they even trenton. now what they do is they take action, castigating the agency that provides critical support to maintenance of the policy and seem to try, how do you make sense of that? i mean, your point out the paradox and it's jude contradiction. how do these powerful nations arrive at the conclusion that this makes sense? i seen and i'm the country, and i'm now seeing then they will, can see their restating 8. well, it's not sufficient. they shouldn't have done anything the 1st place. and now they should, the really defines the soonest possible. i don't know what they're telling themselves
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. i have no idea. but i hope that the civil society and the people, the peoples of this country, we let, we take action themselves as a single women. this is all the time to be signed. again, the international community has proven unable, unable to be then to general tides in, in other patients because something in wrong died a subsidy, mostly are single, be not. but this is unique as the status of the be not as that has said before, the international court of justice. because this is a genocide that is being painted by and documented by this back, the very big things. and then i call them to see they're not going to be in the door. these people show in the by priority, but not the only western countries is a be small. and this represents the structure. this is actually what they're should moment tomorrow because it is the stuff is clear that there is
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a huge divide. that is not just a symbolic between the west and the wrist where there is also like really a real where in my you, out of countries, i've not done enough either to protected the policies, but a game international law is being completely this month. so whatever it international, the national babies, the system can do to protect the lives of, of people in danger and to ensure a peace. and that'd be before role is being completely dismantled. and this is, this is shocking. of course, francesca, vanessa, thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you. all right, everyone, that is our show. a 1st will be back the
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