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hello welcome to the program. on top of the crate, the battles full control of sudan has created one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. well, the 9 months of fighting between the army and paramilitary rapids support forces has pushed almost 5000000 people to the brink of starvation. the world food program says the number of susan is going hungry has doubled since the violence began in april and security and restricted access of major agencies operations, nearly impossible. committed, terry and organizations are appealing to the international community to increase the funding and not to get to balance their dad, as other rules dominate the world's attention. so what can be done to ease the suffering of the susan, these people? well, there's plenty to discuss, but 1st, this report outlines the scale of the catastrophe. a child dies every 2 hours in some, some. it's one of the largest and oldest refugee comp seems to don. the doctors without borders says displaced people living here relied heavily on international

humanitarian aid even before the latest conflict. so this fighting broke out in april between the army and rapids support forces. it says the situation has become catastrophic. the ongoing violence and insecurities humphrey the distribution of food and basic supplies. nope. just as items um but also to communities in remote areas. the reality is the because of the ongoing conflict because of the in security and because we don't have the access to the populations where they are, we not meeting all the needs. we need funding to allow us to do that. the beyond that we need desperately for a safe file. during a recent visit cd, poking around the un high commissioner for refugees of the international community, not to ignore sit on the people most effective field, a band feed for golf. and the clearly, you know,

there's been ukraine and now guys, these are tremendously complex crisis if these right, that there is a tension on them. but to what we're asking, we, the humanitarians, what we're asking the international community is tied to juggle different balls. at the same time, more than 9 months of conflict has created one of the worlds was to monetary and crises. nearly 8000000 people have been fullest from the homes and displaced within the countries board is another 1700000 have so refuge in neighboring states. health care facilities are on the brink of collapse. the economy is spiraling. both sides are accused of committing war crimes. with no indication the peaceful resolution is on the horizon. 8 agencies are appealing for a global intervention. veronica pedroza, i'll just sarah the inside story. the

let's bring it in now. yes. now in kampala is a jewish cooker. he is the external communications spokesman for emergency response runs that use lead volunteer network that delivers a in sudan and kyra rush in mccauley. who is the editor of african arguments of pen, african online use platform. she and her family were forced to flee cartoon when the conflict began. and then i wrote b. william tata is the sudan country directive for the new we norwegian refugee council. thank you very much for joining us. uh, we really do appreciate your time here on inside story with him. if i can, please begin with you. you've, in the past of sid sudan has the highest number of people in emergency food and security anywhere in the world. can you just explain exactly what that means and what the reality is on the ground? it's devastating situations into done um the largest displacement crisis. and now

as you say, one of the largest food and security crises in the world. so there's a way to try and, you know, assess subjectively this bit. right now we've got 5000000 people at emergency levels of food and security. and that, that means either they're extremely desperate dying in many numbers or doing very desperate things just to survive. so it's a really grim picture of this conflict affected country. millions of people struggling in places like the full and hard to in the quote defend region. and of course, millions of families displaced from is already also facing their own food and security situation. so it was just in the thoughtful region and it's of what can with that savings, there will be those displays, they have no means of income. bank software king. there's no jobs, a c people selling what they belong. just to make ends meet for a few days. i'm a colleagues and, and know stuff for myself is just put out

a statement saying that searching children every day at dying and the largest displacement sites in, in north, the, for. so we're reaching the catastrophic level of hung up for millions of people, more than any other country in the world right now. yeah, is you say nearly 5000000 people across the country facing emergency levels of, of hunger. i mean, it is such a, such a huge number to try and get your head around a judge, how, how does it to deal with something on such a large and wide spread scale? okay, so to, to i want to talk about the emergency response room and how there is so it was a possible to reach so that you're comfortable with the worst on it. and the 1st few days you have to divide it in the news because that and you always and it's natural and your local and yours. everybody was free. and when everybody flee, we still had millions of people who we made to they, they stayed in their homes. so how is that? how do you have you have to reach their, my, the age we sent for the 1st day and this was using mutual aid. so i see that people

were the only way to do it was to help your family for people to come together and help themselves. because as william was saying, it was from the beginning that a month before the war broke out in april 15th, a lot of people didn't get their salaries yet. so people really, really quickly reached a point where they don't have any income. they don't have any need to do things, so they had to put it on their resources together and they are leaving the city. so when gas queen gas stopped being available, they had to figure out how are they going to go together? so it was like people needed to come together, do attraction, survive, and this way when mutual aid came together and this is when the idea of the emergency response room was be cold. and this is an idea that comes from the city. nice culture, but it also comes from how we go during the time of common and before that how we actually came together to topple. now, i'm going to receive a team meeting that lasted for 30 years. i ever savage dealerships and it was by

people coming in their neighborhoods and coming out to protest. and then during the time of coffee and people came together to try to help each other. and during the time of the shut down. and now when the war broke out, people started working in their neighborhoods, putting their resources together and figuring it out and slowly, slowly as the situation became worse and worse. we started building up partnership with international and goals including i and r c. and we started like coming up with different creative ways to just food and to help with medical also with children with our he like personal, healy and how do we have him? we do all that and it was really amazing to meet a lot of people and then your, well, we're really active and you call them that vision of humanitarian aid in a way that is based on some of that and the age. and so i'm back to economy and i'm mutual 8 and there's a lot of ideas that been going on for years and years using humanitarian,

80. and it was amazing to see how the revolutionary ideas i see that help create this local governance ways where people can come together with that. and then have like these different things of having a representatives and that working rooms and, and actually getting helping each other out. because with that response from you guys, despite all the amazing work that you and many of us are doing there, there is still such a huge problem that really is just getting worse and worse. a by the day rush it, can you just explain who is holding up the 8. i know the union has accused of both sides of, of this who's actually doing it and how they going about doing it. and is it deliberate? absolutely. tom, it is deliverance. and the reason behind this is that a, it is a political tool, this is not, is, this isn't something new. a, there's always been used as a political to tool to solve the politic and agendas in terms of access on the

ground. this means that whichever war in policy has more access to life saving items, whether they would medicine, food, gas, it would, it would prolong their own lifeline, enable them not just to and the supply and we punish their own troops on the ground . but also we want to allow them to capture communities, bringing them into their fold. um, as, as the situation is it on a stands today, the territorial division of the country with sas controlling force. so down the eastern ports of them at the major kind of, um, access boards through the red sea as to which most humanitarian and what he mentioned in age an items are coming through means that they, they are effectively a major player in the a. you can process the order itself also controls different entry and access points

to sedans, through the libya desert through through the south. and, and who do we do the same? we pay the same game with him. does it feel like sudan has been forgotten about we heard in the story at the beginning of this program, the you in and i was basically cooling. it was almost a desperate play to, to keep attention on suits and, and, and how does that affect your ability on the ground to get i, to those in a, this is a very neglected crisis. just to share a scale of what's happening, the severity, not just food and security, not just war. you know, there's also states and economic collapse of a very large country is around 50000000 people. so it really doesn't gotten the right supports. and when i say that, and the right diplomatic and politically attention the right level of funding for

us to be able to, to, to do a response. so it does very much feel like it's neglected, whether it's obscured intentionally, it doesn't matter. you know, relatives that everyone needs to stand up because what's happening and sued on is completely terrible. yeah. rush it how, how do you keep it in the public's attention, especially. you know, with a war and you crying ongoing and obviously the war on guys a, by just getting the most headlines at this point in time, how do you keep the focus on sudan? it's really difficult. and the problem is that it's done on the features in the international attention when it's kind of tides or to the, to some sorts of political negotiation or piece platform. and one of the regions kind of, you don't many, many talk potatoes 1st. it was dead that they to us would add, i was add this and then now now the h as to a contender is, is that men domine,

behind and so have gods and kind of infrequent and kind of in between and and attention. and when it comes to, so don always tied to kind of, you know, and a political process sees at the highest level. and unfortunately when these for the pause, when they cease to exist attention, attention to the, to the larger kind of question is, um, a sedan kind of where there's and dies away. now, civic actors in there, kind of, you know, many, many outfits. whether they were kind of m as, as head judge said they were m e r r responders, if they were r c members. but it, they're kind of in a civic actors. um and um, you know, the part of the kind of new force dies for our lives in, for anywhere from, from cairo to uh, to, to an a ruby. those people are doing a great job in terms of using social media to raise awareness around what's going

on, who's on day by day, and why the situation is super di and what can be done about to mean the amount of am and go from the campaign so crowd funding has been actually very useful and major tool and dealing with the date today, kind of, you know, gaps in human to terry and, and needs for most of them as it needs people, whether it was evacuation and a, an urgent kind of, you know, access to medicine and support for women was the grades and all of that obviously is in the complete absence. also a humanitarian extra is on the ground and pushed from the international community on the outside. yeah, and it's obviously clearly having an impact on the ground. we saw in the story at the beginning of the show, the sands and refugee camp. we heard a child is dying every 2 hours. i mean, that should be gaining international headlines, right across the world. can you just explain,

has huge why that is what is happening in that refugee camp? is it just simply that not enough is getting into more of people having to, to, to try and survive. i mean, i think that the boredom of the world with that, with this repeated one narrative, single narrative of africa as war and see these images is, is no, isn't that'd be normalized. so that's why it does not matter. so i see, i feel like when you concentrate on the idea, despite all of these people are not dying and, and the idea off, yes, there's mutual aid. yes, people are helping each other. and i'm finding the human story. instead of talking about that through general or, or rushes involvement into that, i think if we try to do the guy to humanize specific, these people brings individual stories and figure out how, despite all of this, where all of these people should actually die. they're not that and why, why,

why the not that? and that's the that's when we start tapping into something that's worth it because really we're giving the pollution within that you humanitarian aid and the amount of health and we're being giving is actually amazing. so although the world has not been responding, there's been a lot of a back back to sit down because of ourselves because outside the field because of helping each other. so i feel like if we want to humanize the applicants and humanize our stories, then we will look at it differently. but if you want to just talk about how like how, how sad it is and, and the food and everything. so 9 has been already before in 1988 through uh, 5 and uh, seeing uh the staff weekends enough diamond state is not gonna move anybody that much. the guys, that visit is already been normalized. and so we have to start digging deeper into and having better reporting, deeper reporting and actually make it for lack of a better word 60 to actually watch what these people are doing and how amazing what they're doing. so i feel like if we just concentrate on that one single narrative,

it is really important to put it out. it's really important to have this number that is really important to stay. this is the biggest crisis, but actually to get people to be involved and excited and feel like we can do something about it. is that the more it is going to forward not just from the is this famine, but actually go to where i sit. developmental not, and it is possible you have to really dig to sit down and really find that mazing so you need people who can do it. so i really feel like what is needed is harder, deeper reporting and do these places. and it's going to take awhile because it's going to be really hard from the beginning too important. so that was the only point on once, once every month or something. so it's really hard at the beginning when it gets continuous and people are starting to follow stories that are different that just famines and one single. now to go back and story, let me move forward. yeah. what do you like and see, you know, thing along that, do you agree with that sentiment that organizations like yours and many others need to change the narrative here and, and how do you go about doing that? i definitely agree. it's, you know,

is partly neglected because sometimes it seems so hopeless, thoughts we, we have, you know, a very positive story to tell in terms of the resilience of the suited these civilian social movements. you know, 4 or 5 years ago. so dawn was a good new story. it was having a democratic transition pushed along by civilian social movements. now we have one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in the world. and despite all the barriers to, to access and young, defending and the different by taking political neglect, we have again, a sort of fees in social movements trying to, to pull out the pieces. and there's a very positive story that i think the fact that john is caught easily access. those stories aren't coming out, but there is social media. i think there's something very positive to tell. and that should i hopefully to a reconfiguration of how a to us. but we will need, will act as we do need to you and let the system with their needs and joe's and thoughts per groups of that. but definitely what's showing houses is what's

happening on the grounds and some of the west affected areas left by communities and local initiatives. yeah. rush it, i just wanna move on to the possibility of, of pace. do you think at this point in time, 9 months on from the beginning of the school that there is a path to pace any time, sir? well, i mean to be a 3 and the on this tom, it's very difficult to answer this question with any degree of certainty, if we're going to kind of rely on off addictions and predictions on the possibility of a to a general as we can signing it. doesn't, it doesn't seem to be likely, mostly because of the international process that's driving the, you know, the supposedly driving the and the reconciliation process isn't, is one that's kind of peg to the political interests of

the group. it's are the countries that are and then you know, that are actually and, and, and sponsoring, sorry, sponsoring these these thoughts. and there's a reason why they keep failing. there's a reason why me is p stock, so i can move forward and in a productive manner. they do reflect a lot for fracturing population of regional politics. this seems to dr. conflict is done kind of um, um, in a more kind of, you know, as dire and intense way. so it says from what, why, why did they keep silent? why did they keep saying, what does that mean that i mean the beginning? because and because the drivers of you know, what makes pete, it's possible and isn't reflected neither in the approach or the agenda

of, of, of, of, of, of these, um, the systems. and 1st of all the event that they're very transactional is nature. they tend to kind of, um, facilitate the process where and the of the opposing parties and approach approach would be the piece process from a point of a showing power. so whomever has more authority, more, more, more, um, more fighting power on the ground is been unable to kind of dictate the terms of the negotiation piece process he's is that are and continued to be, they were always like, this is very transactional. um, and while you know the humanitarian conditions of the, of the people of to them, it should have been at the center of these agendas of this that the center of these agenda tools. they know where to be phones. there's no represent a sion force and these people and their needs to either drive the process or even

um and serve as an, as an, as a, as a, as sorry, as a pressure card. okay. um so they, they are, they are deemed to fail. yeah. okay. as you've come across a sofa as very positive and optimistic. uh you have obviously go to a very wide spread team right across the country, working through the grass roots. how did they feel about? we have things on 9 months on from the war. and what could potentially happen in the months to come? okay, i mean it's, it's on different levels. we mean, we accomplished a lot, we came up with a lot of different theories. we see we started working in hospitals and you back to raising centers. and we created communal kitchens that grew up to become children centers. and we have women restrooms. and we have

a after school program now this coming up. so we went a long way, but, but going, going so deep into the war. uh we, we didn't really, we are running into a situation where we not have enough resources. we don't have enough money, was tourism became to be worse and i'll buy instead of becoming less, we now have more emergency response room in many in other places. so we, we just realized that we're just on the beginning of this is gonna be a long haul. and even if the war stops, and we're really hoping the worst stops. and really when we start talking about the generals and app on additions, it takes away any agency. we have me, that's it. it's really something beyond us. we have nothing to do with this, or it has been non non involved in this unit. so we just need them to stop fighting the moment they stop by they we, we realize now that we need to actually build this instruction to all countries destroyed, our resources are destroyed. but somehow, somehow slide all of this, the billions managed to until now it keeps increasing the running water running uh

internet running so is really, there is a being a lot of work by civilians, by engineers, by doctors, by the conditions, by cleaners, by everybody to keep to keep the country somehow together, the biggest issue, the big issue we gotta face is actually h, speech, the amount of 8, the amount of this war turning into this war against strides and whatnot is the biggest problem we have because our biggest problem, after the war ends is, this is going to be an essential question, trips to that, and we get into that either remain as one country and we live to get our, we get into this and really the way we do it is because if you go to my neighborhood and you see who's being fed in our camino, get you and you actually find a mother of a narrative soldier who brought his mother there took over one of the houses from the neighborhood to jamaica live. and when he disappeared, most probably got killed the um, the neighborhood, the people from the neighborhood are the ones actually, uh, feeding her and taking care of her da,

spending time with her. so this is the kind of, uh, uh, social life, peaceful coexistence that is already happening. but the more part goes to more of this, this will be question. so this is, that would be us. yes sir. now, even we made it as we heard, you know, urgent, decisive action is needed desperately. what do you think should be done? i mean, what, other solutions right now to make things even a little bit easier, a little bit, benefit the people of sudan, a good question. i mean, as we have from good colleagues and a changing branch of it, the scenario is that we say is one that it gets more painful, more cruel, for a little while longer. but there is some forms of relief from despite you know, these local initiatives like funds to you and let the response, including and g o is lack. funds is only a few percent funded in comparison to, to what is needed to know about finding light conditions. you know, to respond to and one of the was civil was and conflicts on the planet at the

moment. so 1st of all, we need donors to step up in front, the diverse, the centralized response. the gets age to where at most matches. we really need some diplomatic leadership and politically to ship. uh, yeah. and best as a try and fit it hasn't really been a priority for, for administers or the security council, or other things to how to impose piece here was admitted tracy's far towards failed . so we need to, to re strategize a little bit on, on this, but i haven't seen the competing power of the international system really come up with a, you know, to hit runs effective solution and, and in the meantime, we see both sides investing more and more in the, in the world machinery this playing out at the moment when we've only got about a minute or so left. how hopeful i, you did all of that can actually happen any time. so i think that the world can decide tomorrow to take saddam and his people's situation seriously. i don't think that there is anything stopping us trying, but i haven't yet saying

a hugely serious effort. so i'm hopeful that is positive where the, the right start as of aligned, you know, if we still need to keep pushing for it. but i think that the world will be persuaded. i think at least one test of whether there's a genuine in sentences where the humanitarian access is provided with the protections and safety. for low correspondence is provided side or side of both sides. but i think you, they, you know, we, we have to have a much stronger folder plan in place. yeah. like you say a real test of the world's genuine intent. thank you so much. i choose roger and william. uh, all 3 of you for being on inside story, we really do appreciate your time and your insight into this. well, thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. i'll just share a dot com for further discussion. go to a facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is at ha, inside story. for me,

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