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a different fall row for testing in various countries. they say that the policies which national governments must enforce. cooper many of them out of business. and you directives on climate change gone to ukraine, access to you, markets rising fuel costs and deals allowing more inputs of food from outside the u . a rule being blamed. so is your pin funding really on the french, or is this just grand standing from a well organized lobby group? what are the political implications for the you, if the protests continue and what impacts could they have on the use? climate change plans will be asking you, i'll guess these questions and more and a few moments after report from full getting on why farmers are on the streets farm is across you could being taking to the streets. you mean that farms for cities to bring that on, get to the doorsteps of national governments and the you the furious about you

policies adopted by them, governments. they also fee a new environmentally friendly green policies to cut greenhouse gases, as well as the knock on effects of the ukraine and t u. food imports threatening the likelihood, and the very existence in farming they will. yes. yeah, because we want to take care of this all on the stuff, all of these supplements that that's coming from the united the europe. because we don't want to lose our time to make more paper. just we are foreigners. we are the people that to take care of this all take care of the animals, take care of your health, your fluids. the protest already seem to be bringing political concessions. european commission president, those who live on the line as scrapped plans to hoff pesticide use, which would have cost bomb is more benefits of the environment. farmers support is important for her son to write to you attain people's policy in the european

parliament. should farmers support other parties in elections this june? it could damage on the lines, hopes to win a 2nd. 10 green strategy was an important positive on deadlines platform. when elected in 2019. but the reaction from farm is heightened a higher inflation and energy prices has complicated the mass for hit presumed re election strategy rushes warm, and ukraine has also hate agriculture. hot fuel prices have risen sharply and pharmacy, a flood of cheaper grain, an uppercase from ukraine. the special access to the markets was given to the ukrainians following russia's impatient, added to that governments have been trying to achieve supermarket prices, as inflation continues to damage. you will be in economies in strasbourg, while the climate commission to push this case for a 9 people send reductions to emissions. farmers outside the european palm. and we

came to explain the business that facing already intolerable. when i thought the color opened up, we had to meet the pain of to tell them that the current agricultural policy can no longer work because of the distortions of competition. all these and then products being imported into europe, which have even less regard for all production conditions and constrain plesk, you know, and with a new e, u y to treaty with south american countries to import more precision. an argentinian beef farm was a 3rd that belonged at the potential cost to them. poking out you see you for inside story the where delighted to have to i'd like to been doesn't different part of minutes with us to discuss matters further today from doubling the joint by michael fitzmaurice, an independent member of the irish parliament. there's

a finding himself and was elected as an advocate for fathers and rural communities . from strasburg, we're joined by francisco, get out of who's an independent member of the european parliament with the group of greens and european free alliance, added brussels. we're happy to clarify who is a european policy analyst and editor in chief of these websites. brussels reports dot edu, which comes the result. gentleman, welcome to you. well, mike, let's start with you. give us a sense of just how difficult it is to be a european find the right now they get a cost of a huge subsidy, roughly a 3rd of the budget. things really bad, bad, bad, bad for the the 1st of all in relation to the subsidies and welcome to all your guest and relation to the subsidies. it's college cab. um, i run likely enough as one campus brushing it was to make sure there's people living in the cities or people with a lesser income. we're able to afford food and right into so and everybody agreed

with this. but the problem that has happened over the years is in the last cap, the funding is less, so there's less money to go around. we are launching in, obviously more countries. so the more countries that come in and you have less of a purchase, you know, the answer yourself is less funding. but on top of that, the you is constantly and i see it in our let me give you that is specific in the line of the gross and habit has direct of they are now proposing to bring in the natural restoration law, which i understand they are holding onto the next few weeks, you have to walk from framework director of the site is direct to your data. you will use the policy and it's environmental legislation on top of the environmental legislation coming. but the problem is, and there's any and repeat that's on this program. what you're telling me. that's the new in our area. we call it an interest ration all that made it very clear that

there was no funding because in my own and my understanding is that as part of support entity in said that they didn't want as a country to be giving more money into the purchase. so how can you keep calling pulling, pulling out of farmers, making them do more and more and more. by the same time, i'm going to take, for instance, you cream, such a lone firm. let's have a look at glory drivers and are these weren't that jane, and the price is being cost of hauling. what for people living in you are the rates of pay in other countries outside. you would be an awful lot less. we have a standard to keep in our areas, and on top of that then you have a yard of this is up says to doing deeds. if the talk about crimes, you don't go button and beef from brazil or your drone called britain and from argentina. if you have a radio hand in any of the countries in europe and farmers are suffering and they are sick of it and i believe and they coming elections this summer in june at the

me p elections which would go every punch it would be having. okay, but to be a clear message sent out because it's not a lot of fun. yeah. yeah. okay. the people might go in and see me. all right, but my, the country's nice round about i haven't made it very clear that they support. okay, cool. and the reason if you make a lot of points that we will, we will pick up on with, with the other guests francisco, let's stop. first of all, with you and the, the, the environmental issues that, that michael was, was talking about, the climate activist with farmers or against them right now. i mean they, they've, they've joined about protest this week. yes. so that they have a common cause and they should have also common enemy, any smoke the green seats, not the green policies that we should be applying to also say i will culture. let's be clear. that's who's reading the bottom and the condition and also the member states for the last decades. i'm not degrees. and so these policies that are being

fits the features agreements that can kind of disparity, that the farmers have a new c, b s. mess by the corporation by the retailers, by the b pharma and b agribusiness companies. this policies will not promote as by the weeds. we were looking for these for almost 4 decades, even for 90 may, if you're already stating the obvious that piece for when i recall sure, false policy deficient as policy. this a free trade agreements. we'll end up a smashing far. so again, they have a really important mission at the asked of suffice to help us actually cheaper foods. but again, we are watering them for more than 40 years. this is not the problem or we policies the policies that they are being union. we distribute groups,

the levels of social democrats and the socialist continued to smash the foreigners and indians at the don't promote the different type of production in the beginning of the to do the spend 8 on the 2019 we have the opportunity to change. you're coming out of the culture policy to have more funds and to help farmers produce better. we more help, for example, on the co schemes. they think we have more support to change their productions. these equal schemes are just a small percentage of the culture policy. and we are talking about $360.00 daily news and well, india, we voted against the coming every culture policy revolt against the fugitive limits and the, which supports the culture policy and pushy for the free day the we've been to the miracle. sure. so yeah, we do the single size we, we are the, i think the best i like so far as the go to the level this we are not to do it at least to be a to b, u t of default is a gospel to use basically what are we to make of the european commission scrapping

of its plan to have pesticides use of the wolfing down of other planned rules politically? was, was this a genuine concession to struggling fibers? or was it more designed to help us a bundle line when re election in june as well? these are very modest concessions. the, the pesticides regulation already face the level position that are being part of mate anyway. and full deadline has said that they still may come up with a uh, with something she also made a minor concession last week to postpone a land use restriction for about one year. uh so i think the problem is indeed the degree and the green party is not in charge, but the green id, so very much in charge. there are a number of green duck, most that especially the political mainstream, is refusing to give up. and that's why you see the same european commission this

week proposing the most rather cold climates targets ever to reduce you 2 levels by 90 percent, by 2040. and you wonder how, how is this possible? are they not reading the news? i mean, you repeat, industry is badly suffering as a result of high energy prices that are the results of the green experiments with or um, you know, energy production and the degree. and so i've always wanted to experiment indeed with the structure of farming. and i think farmers, they should abandon the idea that they should get state supports. they should understand that if you give, if you receive money, that they will always be conditions linked to it. that all kinds of, you know, policy makers and, and, and all kinds of action groups will try to, to use this, the subsidies as leverage to try to track down on,

on your business model. i think barbara, farmers are perfectly capable to survive in the free markets, and i understand that they're angry about the competition for not in america and from ukraine. because not always do these importers into europe have to comply with the same standards. so it's obviously not fair, but to then try to exports our standards to the rest of the roads. i mean, that's just bizarre, i think, or trading partners. i say, look, are you, are you trying to trade with us, or are you sending a list of and regulations that you want us to uh, to implement so, so genuine traits is about trusting, trusting each other. so i think what we need is that we don't need to, of course, abandon all of the standards that over okay and stuff. but we need the russian organization. right. francisco, you want to come in the, you know, for me, this is bizarre. so sol trusting each other so we don't have to have any regulations. for example, when we talk about pesticides, for example, we, we,

we better and certain specified. so i talked to the computer to be that much for health and for the environment. human to be new and about to select sports. and for example is also american. so we just wanted to trust the box list and we just have no choice ability on our product. so on the one hand you talk about the sovereignty, food security, and on the other hand, you are just saying for us to trust on each other. well, this is remarkably for me to, to lisa. and i also found that we are, that you are also saying that's just the free market sheets should the maintain the agriculture system and they should not receive any support to do field. otherwise they, they should have support also could change to more sustainable practices. and this is the model that's clearly understands the fact that you are having on the apartment. and for example, unfortunately the software before for functional we are talking about what to sketch the saw. so sol, buyer, that 7 p, so 70 percent at these is projected 2 pets on waterfront because we

don't have water and we did the, the, the data on the fly i'm, it's use, he's a scary sorry, but it's all scientific knowledge he's, he's available and well, i don't know nothing. the farms the most uh the most the heats by these climate change. okay, michael, i'll get back to you just a moment, but 1st let's, let's get to the right. so reply that. well, if the european union would indeed stake a scientific approach, you could make a case, but look at the glitter, say debates, all the experts are saying it was fine. and still there was a massive push to try to ban and unrestricted, to end. indeed to it, when it comes to support for farmers. i mean, i understand the argument, the idea is okay, some of them are struggling. that's give them some cash, but let's look at the reality. 80 percent, all off. um, you know, these uh, these farming subsidies are, are going to the big boys. uh, the biggest concerns. and that's how it always goes. you know, when you have this central planning system, you always end up with crony, as and,

and of course, it goes hand in hand with, with protectionism which at the end of the day not only hurts consumers, but also mix or forming of sector less competitive. you know, if we are protection this done, all the trade books will always also be, you know, protectionist and oliver farmers are actually exporting to the rest of the world's a. so i think it would be very unwise to abandon uh, you know, the id does a trait is ultimately a good for, for everybody. okay. alright michael, please feel free to comment on, on anything that you've heard of the last few minutes. but i, i wanted to put it to you that but from is the main concerns very from, from country to country. they do have grievances that have common to all, what is it that farmers want? the 1st of all the ones to be treated fairly and at the moment the farmer is rude and i can speak for our number indeed. raise your own jewel dispatching that

to get you to where that the works. you want the people in the world that was putting basically putting up a car. but i put in a meeting and you wouldn't hear people saying we need to get rid of all these animals. that's crazy. so, as, as being pointed out and you can do something better, you will just try and do it better in a farm or under land. it costs too much to make mistakes. that's the boss you might in relation to the front. so from francisco, what he said in relation does not to greens well, i can try to do an ard and we have a b minister for an environment of agreement issue that has gone over to your and has taken everything, hook, line, and sinker, and agreed with it and, you know, you kind of keep bringing art on does a different country and a different time is to spain and to, you know, other parts of europe. and when you do it, when you make legislation that just lation can affect some countries, worst of the other process goals going to vote for the nitrous duration and all the

consequences of dash in a turnover. and is that you would put family firms actual production. and if you look at the amount of firms you're to pub lost in the last since 2010. if you look at the ard and when it joined the e. c, which was a very good project, it was a community it and that's now gone to union. we have gone from 300000 farmers down to a 100 and talked to 1000 farmers and twice you after protects. it's not in the firm or is the local community because in our lives here, you will fall, we would cause small farmers along with them. that would be part time working as well. but they have built into a community that the low kind of hardware and the local shop down the road would survive. but what we are doing is starving them, pushing them in a situation that if they have to re, with our land, the don't need to live in the area. they can go from there without watch the

consequences of that. the local school, it shows the local shop with close, the local community will find a part is that what you were being project is about. i believe at the moment, there are people going round and the name of the environmental is the tone driven. we either say yes, if you can do something better, that's great. but i saw even last night and the debate was be ahead. are the, the, the new targets that came out of industry have stage. we kinda do basically a cost for, but the e you have came ocean set by $20.00 far jake. we're going to slash to. so you have, in my opinion, civil servants dreaming up ideas that do not live in the, in the areas are work. the areas are live in the saw it, but we have to work with is different type of lands, rice around you are okay. where i am from there is no pints and trying to grow and saw you because you,

you wouldn't be fit your group. but there are parts of your that is pretty good. there's no more we're able to produce quality press. the said beef in our that. but we are be know told you got a quote, the numbers every day. there is something new coming out this trip feed of information that is leaving people in disarray. that is, has people the fed up of the whole european project the way it's going up. and people are very dismounted just all right. the francisco, environmentalists don't get it in reality that could have put family funds out of business. you know, again, it looks like it's a, it's a, these degree measures they are pushing farmers to bankruptcy and it's not, we are promoting that too. we can only incentives to farmers so they can produce food quality foods and a 3rd party permits. and they gave it to stated here that the c p money is going to be pharma and to be industrial agriculture sector. so again,

we're jeff. it's usually rejected this. all right, give me one. indeed. okay, i the. all right, michael. hang on, michael. yeah, it started francisco. whatever money i get doesn't match. or if the not the nature restoration law is going to flush my land because i don't need to live in the area, get that into your hate. we found catherine so infirm. she know they don't walk on one of the is proposing on our pg towards the, the you getting part of the 2 irish ways is just for or the most of in general mcconnell, i don't, we can't, we can't talk over each other a big because no one has a thing, different francisco, yes. please come to the stage. the countries have national plans that do take into account barely ality. so he's just saying that we,

we are going to do everything hugh for brussels and we have just moved to florida. everything. so we can rewind, make sure this is just see, this is missing information, this is nothing serious. i haven't got the better the glass or the back and forth. mike michael, just very quickly, excuse me. it's not misinformation because the default position onto the nature restoration laws that will all pete signs are in bad condition. second of all, and you talk about the member state, what happens is the member stays in good. faith tries to do the sadness, then you will get environment is going to be b, c j, which has happened on the habit that's direct to you. tell me one country that isn't in a straight jacket at the moment. be it industry role, it's transport farming or whatever, or that have been type story of patient and you have more than say, the members the that's correct. don't buy your above the time. people will be back with you in just a moment. but very quickly, francisco, i need, i need a, a 32nd answer from you. well again, this is, this is lisa formation. uh,

in my perspective because the word. okay. all right. all right. the reason being this information, i would fax. all right, the gentleman on this will agree to disagree for the moment i want to bring people in because that's something else that i want to touch upon here. pizza, to what extent is the the quote between a rock and a hard place here. and on the one hand, it needs to be implemented by to climate measures. it also needs to be mindful that as a voting block, funding communities are pretty powerful of how realistic is the fear that follows those in rural areas whose incomes are dependent upon funding. i will vote for the fall, right in june elections call maybe some of them will, but indeed it's, it's not just the farmers at the end dates may a 9 move to protest bodies. many people are, are fed up with the willingness of the main stream to abandon a certain, you know, those months. and that's indeed have been pushed by the green movement for years.

and i think that's uh, or green friends, i'm sure that many of them would agree that you know, your pin member states are perfectly capable to decide for themselves the right balance between economy and nature. and especially if you're talking to bald lands and, and use this is typically something very local. so why don't we um, conclude that indeed the top down approach has failed. that's indeed the straight jackets. those are being in post from the policy level. but like, for example, i'm from belgium originally and, and in the netherlands and belgium you have this big nitrogen debates, which is about a severe restrictions on nitrogen emissions for farming. which house goes to the farmers party last year to become the biggest party in the country. in the netherlands. now, i mean, this is sparkly, a national responsibility, but the not tutor directors of the you make it very hard to change the

designation of protect the nature area. once you have decided that this is protected nature. so, so i mean what, why should the even half of say on this is the democracy not capable of deciding this for uh, for itself. uh so i think we, we need to, um, the thing is that we need to take a look much more modest suppression brussels. okay. francisco, you know, a scholarly saying that the use of the graphics that the member states almost represented is it also which they are and that people are multi life is still the bottom of that we are. so i get the, the side view the far right as a solution to, to, to the problems off of the farmers, all, even the common problems that be facing the you, it's measurements. we see the results. even though we saw the populist example of rex it that now they are facing a huge flash endeavor thought of me and they were promoted to be the best paid off prosperity. and so these formulas idea is that the far right is going to save the

foreign suite to see the bottom. and that the states doesn't that don't have the same in the policy. these, these things fall is sorry, but this doesn't seem to be reality. there are things that you can change, obviously, but it only goes with democracy and more integration and more debates. not just going around and for being our testing that you have to be nationally said we are going to solve all problems, especially if i'm yeah. if i'm across is not as francisco, i, uh, thank you i, michael, i have a minute left on on the program or to get your reaction to that. but i also want to know whether these protests are set to continue to get bigger. in my opinion, the approaches are set to continue. the farmers are just how they are sick of what's going on right around the, the whole of your 2nd of all i really hit this idea of the greens are discharged. start seeing it everywhere. fire rice, i am not for rice. farmers representatives are not far right. farmers that are

farming the land. they're not right for the are is common sense. we live in a reality. we live in the world where you make your fuel power and just spend your few pounds to try and, and they are now living. and let's go back to what was said by your dear speaker. and it just shows the way you are of has moved with from radiology. we have a place here now and then with that's designated as, as being spoke about in the hot and there are people in danger of losing their houses. there is another elderly people in danger of getting drowned in their houses because it turn lock is in functioning. and the designated area is actually dying right into the cords because of the housing types director as blocked, making an over road 3 and 5 by it's tied up with like 4 or 5 years. but that's the order we live in. no bureaucracy, not common sense. okay, that i'm afraid gentlemen, we're going to have to read it many thanks indeed to you. oh, michael fitzmaurice francisco, get it all. i'm peter clapper. thank you for watching. you can see the program

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