started seeing and stationed come down and many cost wells to understand how it affects our daily lives, outline forth how big a problem is labeled. food insecurity. counting the cost on outages in europe and organizations have no plans to ban israel from events such as the way for football championships of the eurovision song contest despite its war on concept. why does israel complete in europe and why are your pin organizations defend? it gets continued participation. this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again, it's classified as culture. but the eurovision song contest means different things to different people. once the most watched event on tv across europe,

depending on your taste, it's anything from a celebration of diversity and inclusion. to uninstall the guns of taki, could call for the pitiful pensions of the west and music for israel bo, despite being a middle eastern nation, your vision means performing on the european stage with no hint of its decades of illegal occupation and breeches of international law. in comparison, 2 years ago, russia was swifty by and from the competition and european football and the nation that gave us dry cold ski. and rachmaninoff, as well as your vision when it's top to deem a bee line, remains banned from the song contests. so why is israel allowed to compete regardless of its war on garza which is killed 2028000 palestinians, an injured many more. why is europe so strongly defending israel as participation of double standards of play? here? we'll discuss all of this without yes shortly. but 1st a report from image and came up of the israel's national football team or the 2

games away from reaching the european championships o 12 members, the west asian football federation. however, one israel to be bought from international competition for what they describe as will crimes and goals a, a degree for some, at least nations as written to the welds $211.00 federations and 6 regional confederations. quoting for a bond, israel says to me is quite cynical and shameless with one senior official commenting. the politics should stay. i just sport. when russia invited ukraine in march 2022, it's national football team and clubs. with swift feedback and from international competition. the footballs. european governing body wafer says it hasn't discussed imposing similar restrictions on israel, nor does it tante. it's rejected accusations of double standards that 2 different completely different situations between the 2 countries because of so and that's where that fits tabs over to war and action. okay. and then this,

that's what this company you know, which is regret them, of course. and in the me least not, not the have been previous bands and international football relating to political issues such as the exclusion as a form. and you can smell of us from the european championship finals in 1992 because of the bulk and will and then that's your vision as well as most in europe it competes in the annual so in contest of to winning in 2018. it hosted the event in 2019 in fox is ro is one of your vision's top competitors. having won the contest full times. but it's called dissipation. this drawing a position to where again the vision is the machine to market place isn't that is more thankful to that is the voters when in fact the sound parts, i'd say the palestinian groups including the boy divestment and sanctions movement,

almost altis on the public. not to participate, but no one scheduled a full retreat of the invading ukraine. russia was kicked out to view a vision, last year's event and livable discuss doing with flags and support of ukraine to put in 2019 items find because band members wearing scopes bearing the palestinian flock. like you a fence, your vision organizes also argue the cases of russia is rather different. the european board costing union city and russia because it state tv had repeatedly preached membership obligations violated public service media values. however, the con, tv channel, in tennessee, which broad costs the competition to select as well as your vision entry, has been criticized for featuring fall right. pro will views, including children's choir singing,

about eliminating palestinians from garza image and kimber out 0. the inside story . the what we did reach out to you a $5.00 to support his royal taking punch in your p and events, but no one took up our invitation to take part. i'm sure we'd be talking about this again. they'll be another time i hope. in the meantime, that's bringing our guests in london. we have a $105.00 state and a right to and come paid a who's that as an m p under the full, the south african president, nelson mandela from ramallah and the occupied west bank, but joined by, oh my, my go to the co founder of the boy called the investments and sanctions movement at a founding member of a palestinian campaign for the academic and cultural boy content as well. and also in london, chris rose, the director of a most trusted creative human rights organization that has a long history of campaigning for protest in human rights. gentlemen, will welcome to you all and let's start with you. should israel be bought from international competition, or does you wait for the secretary general?

have a point when he says that as well as war on guns and the way it began cannot be compared to russia's invasion of ukraine. a well, it's an absurdity from you. a for festivals, because what we're seeing is massive violations of international law, both in the ukraine by russia, and quite obviously in in garza, by israel. in fact, what we also have in the case of the gaza is the international court of justice suggesting the best possible risk. in other words, freedom of from the evidence that israel is committing genocide. so i think that that was disingenuous and best boss. somebody who was involved in the struggle against the pots a to themselves. i forget who says i'm the nelson mandela is nancy m p. the support support called the counsel on academic by cock moving, close the economic board costs while absolutely crucial, and brittany and then to

a pa, tate in south africa. and you know, we had a phrase in the liberation and struggled in their normal support in an abnormal society. so. so when i hear, you know, people saying politics should stay out of school. clearly they didn't believe that because of the way they treated russia. bought it for minds me so much of my friend of my friend and mental, an artificial desmond to to who said, if you in neutral in situations of injustice, you are on the side of the oppressor. and this is what these cultural and support bodies are doing. at the moment, they are effectively some colton by their position, the ongoing genocide in golf o my bug booty, the see of israel is football association says we're against involving politicians in football and being involved in political matters in support. in general, this is picking up on, well, andrew was just saying a few moments ago, he said, i'm trusting faithful not to involve politics and football. but as andrew was

saying, this isn't politics, is it? this is about human rights. it's a moral judgment on whether a country deserves to participate in sports and cultural events is excited to see size weatherstone. olympics committee both speak about the respect of human rights. it's in their charters, but both are controlled by the hedge. a monic, colonial western powers, and from critical to the core is, is indeed very different than the russian situation because it's a 75 year old regime upsets are called on, you know, the part part of that is ongoing genocide. for one that's 4 months now against $2300000.00 students in cost. so the 2nd point is that fee has comes from people, supplements and occupied palestinian territories. that in itself is a violation of international law. supplements are considered a one crime under the 4th geneva convention. so in all cases, it's the archive states that starts with about association as an association that

includes tackler. organizations that their teams should be banned from fi fi and israel should be back from doesn't it makes us well good for us as well. it says that it's acting in self defense self to the all. the events of october 7th, $28000.00 palestinians have died. it is boned gauze indiscriminately, it's actions have gone way beyond self defense haven't bait. it faces challenges of genocide as we heard from andrew at the international court of justice. football players, an athletes are among the that sports facilities have been destroyed. does he weigh foot made a re thank you. yeah, i think that's right in every thing. i think that's i'm no surprise to us for taking that with this statement. i think it would be surprising your search for tomorrow or later without concession pressure on 3 sides. why do you try to use the request? press one, do you say that to so i think anybody who follows football closely,

whether it be free for all your wife or a witness, something with advice, show them try to lead more really i'm on issues such as this we so if i put reaction with russia, but that was because of the concern from all the world's level leaders and pilots, and they responded to that. but where do i try to be honest? they haven't, so i cannot an ethical lead on most issues. i says no surprising here on this one. it's really important for people to put pressure on them today. shawn andrews is, is chris, right? sporting organizations simply reflecting the political stones of, of the countries in which they, they operate as well. i think it goes even beyond that. i definitely agree with christmas part, but we must also remember that the administration of, for, for, as we've seen over many, many years nice, deeply, deeply corrupt. and it was a fee for who just a few years ago, were very happy to have that president sat next to president,

letting me have put in russia as they watched the world in the country. so, you know, basically we've also just had a world cup in catawba, which has its own human rights abuses, etc, etc. so, i mean, these organizations all themselves deeply corrupted both morally materially. i also think it's, it's really important to make the point that z o m s. m, i suggested, you know, these are a reflection of the sort of countries and organizations that all supporting a program of settling colonialism in palestine that has been ongoing for 75 years. and i could face the soaps of the tubes that they had displaying very, very closely to the sorts of attitudes that were displayed during west days of a project in south africa. this is racist white supremacy. can you imagine the

situation as if any of the country was doing to an innocent of civilian population one israel is doing to the people of gaza. this simply wouldn't be the sort of accommodation. and this attempt to provide, not just political and diplomatic cover, but also to provide the weapons from the us that you can cross, you are being used. they off the day to slow to it, listen, palestinians. so we must then take these attitudes in the salt of racist white supremacy and color, and it will affect the regimes that they find themselves and accept the countries in europe and north america all supporting this. oh my, you wouldn't building an agreement that you do want to come in on that? yes, i absolutely agree with what the andrew said and it's all about to. so part of this race isn't that under mentioned, is that the human ice ation of people as global self in south africa,

the absolute majority of the black ground majority where the humanized and the white supremacist regime was accepted in the west patch or reagan. and so on. similarly, what this is doing, it's doing this site against the other thing is, is tolerated, funded arm 2 by the same western colonial powers. and part of that is the coming, i think the other thing, in fact, tense of the system oppression this ongoing genocide, the supporting organizations play a role in this because they are entirely dominated by those same colonial powers. so in the other streaming media movement, we've called on the global something particular to, to every bad against this western colonial domination. and if this was not to be democratized, whether it be for the next committee, it would not be democratized with not truly respect human rights. that those turns it has to be established to chris disposing bodies need more robust policies that

on the criteria are required to exclude countries from competition. and this may sound a very nice question, forgive me, but i'm going to ask it anyway, a pass and an independent body that considers the facts and makes that decision for them so that they don't have to get involved in, in decisions like this. um yeah, i mean i think give me ideas for it. sure thing. there's so much trusted interest involved i'm that is by how to see that happening. i mean, it certainly was free for the electric body as such and such that's probably the full accountability for most of the scourge and the can law shooters i see for um, search by heart for people to hold some accounts to that. and it's only when we have a real source of people standing, you know, see these policies in vermont here, change it. we see any movements or tools. but it really is by hard to get them to be accountable because i really don't need to. but as to what he said, it's yeah,

that story, please come, come in the address if i may, i think, i mean, the christmas point is exactly right. these organizations are part of a tiny global elite who operates and utilize fulton culture and a way to effectively enrich themselves and a politician's, a key component of this tiny global lead. and i think the best thing that we can do as the ordinary citizens of the world, wherever we may be located, is to exempt as much pressure on as possible on our governments to actually change their attitude. so that there is more pressure to put these completely on the comfortable body stuff. the realities, all additions, feel pretty uncomfortable at the moment as well. but at least in some countries where we have so liberal democracy, they still require our votes every now and then. and it's of moments like this that we need to put pressure on them. for instance,

something we've heard and protests across the world and supportive god as being the phrase may cease fire know verbs. and i think this applies as much to the way in which organizations like fee for a new revision and behave. not only that, we should demand that public officials put pressure on them, but we as individuals, stops pull to their phones all sport or entertainment that they produce. if they're going to allow israel conducting genocidal actions in gaza to freely participate in their activities. all right, all right, let's, let's put that straight back to chris to what extent to picking up on what andrew was saying, what extent the sponsors and advertises have a role to play here? is it a commercial decision not to buy israel from competition? yeah, i think the commercial aspects and she's human read just same shooting, the withdrawal, the sponsorship of israel is over football association. back in december, this and here's pots for why that i can only strategy fine. i can say what say like

the reality is i withdrew the support. oscar assess impressions, i think is want to, i think, is bipolar to the board short term pain. we support that because that puts pressure on these bodies to log and listen. so sponsors responses have, for most of them wage or as known people, sir, we have to, to expose responses, but choosing not to purchase. i'm not to support organizations which further these policies across a bunch of that perhaps got to this early or the discussion but, but of all for you when. but why is israel allowed to compete in european sporting competitions? it's a middle eastern country. why is it in so important israel to do so? why does it consist? what does israel consider it important to do? so? i mean, israel was a member of the engine football confederation and we're trained but not 254, not to some people. and then they will expel from that from before they started to

come page. for the things you treat free for will chop with the european settings, and then gradually is ready to start playing in europe and competitions and that and not to full. israel became a member of the rifle, there's a few other countries installed, travels, global countries, which i mentioned to you. i for is realty on the country, which is not a member of your present it. but that's a rich as to why it's a possibility for a mice able to compete in the life insurance. all right, so i'm picking up on what both andrew and chris was saying that how much does public opinion here mass, a football fan is what a voice, the anger, what sporting and cultural parties be forced to rethink what, what am i wanted to add to? what chris said about why history on this part of european supporting organizations

like a part that's out for kind of a heart that history is european settler, put on, you know, creation. that's why they didn't care of their own, basically, so to speak. but to another point i wanted to, to attend to a thing aside from the boy cards that we're doing against the companies involved in sponsoring some of those sporting events and supporting associations with the pdf movement supported by 300. got a student in sporting across the house code for disruption, peaceful, disruption, beeping or sporting events like the pics coming up in paris, week or not just for protests and writing letters and demonstrations, but an actual physical peaceful disruption. we put many partners into bts moment, have been doing destruction since the grand central station joyce was for a piece of stops excellent disruptions and destructive liberty and so on and so forth. everyone has seen that we're asking for the same in paris so that the powers

that be listened to the people that we are not. okay, absolutely. we will not accept ident assigned to the state, participating in those mass sporting events for to washing their system of oppression. ok, i just want to turn our attention out to the europeans that the orders and the phone call test. i'm sorry, uh the or pay and broadcasting union, which represents national broadcast as across europe. has this to say about israel participation in your vision or governing bodies. the revisions on contest reference group in the executive board did review the participants list for 2024 and agreed that the is where the public board costa can match all the competition rules for this. you can participate as it has for the past. 50 is where a, where instead of the many voices according to exclude israel from this is competition in the same way as we excluded the russian pulled cost in 2022. following the, the ation of ukraine comparisons between was in conflict. a complex and difficult and as a non political media organization,

it's not alice to make. the view is aligned with all the international organizations, including supports unions and federations of, of the international bodies that have similarly maintained. their inclusive stance towards is randy participants and major competitions at this time. and that was a statement given to us on behalf of no car. i'm the director general thoughts just on the 2 years ago of the russia invited ukraine. the ab, you found the country from you are efficient at at the time said this about its decision, which it said reflects concern that in the lights of the unprecedented prices in ukraine, the intrusion of a russian entry and this, he has contest, would bring the country competition into disrepute advertising. just in the you statement. make sense here? why would russia's participation bring the contrast into disrepute but not as rails a? it's a total nonsense. you know this organization which is a function of broad cost as who frantically have absolutely not

fulfilled their responsibility as broad cost is in the coverage of israel genocidal actions in gaza. it says there is the same people to find it and they don't know the people they choose to consult no better than the judges of the highest coal to the international court of justice. i think what one has to understand is that what they are doing, they trying to create a better p r lo full that justification of israel a sold on garza and adrian if i may, and i say this as of june, i say this of the front of a holocaust survivor who was election at the house for its own genocide prevention . when my mother lost thousands of have family, there was a thread of the 6 stream racism and genocidal behavior that

rose from the holocaust through pottage. south africa to impact aid israel and its brutal and illegal occupation of palestine. and we're seeing so many organizations like this broad cost to union making absolute fools of themselves, destroying the post holocaust architecture for the international who low to ensure that we never see another holocaust in boulder to defend israel actions. their actions are indefensible. and the behavior of groups like the supporting bodies and like the e b u, of similarly defensible, they are effectively endorsing and supporting genocide against to people of goss. i'm up, i'm, i'm sure you'll have something to add to that. but what do you make about line in the, in the you statement that it's aligned with all the international organizations,

including sports unions and federations and other international bodies. to what extent are they all in cahoots with each other here on decisions except to implemented panel? not in spanish says preferential it's it's, it's the exact opposite. it's a bunch of the western powers controlled ingles, these 40 organizations making cool the decisions, deciding that the russian invasion brings into disrepute to the a, b u and it kind of goes into process yet as far as trying to sign the machine. that's not, it's because europe is the center of the world on the sides. whether that's right to atlantic slave industry, whether it's the co, the some in north america, south america, oceania and so on. they don't feel a genocide goes into economy. what hard their reputation. because, you know, i was just talking about genocide, the u. k. friends, attendance, germany,

a lot of them have been involved in secretary spain. and so once they've been taught to drive the sides, but many of the p equals across europe are not represented by those decisions. we're seeing already thousands of people go to price crew. that gets rough from univision segment, the state itself is under a lot of pressure from civil side to to withdraw if it's red participates. so is iceland in ireland, across europe, in belgium, in this by mistake, we're seeing a lot of action to expel is right. and this inspires us. it's not the government's that do not care about told about human rights or international, but they never did. it's the peoples of those countries that are really pushing in the right direction. we think. and chris, do you want to come in on, on the, on the, i don't know whether your vision is the only thing, but i mean, why israel participates in the revisions on context. i mean, have a nose but, but a strange that participates as well. what do you make of, of this, this

e be used for that? again? yeah. me yeah. i mean i agree. and so your thoughts on both published as a page. the key thing is what we do about that. i think for this, there are a number of ready trying to of courageous musicians and performers. sure. so i'm not going to perform. so i'm gonna start me out to and it's about us galvanized some people and say we're not gonna make sense to us to expect anything else i think would be. busy nice, but it really does require people to stand up and put pressure on to say, we're just not going to have a dish as possible because we're going to try and start andrew. i've got about a minute and a half left on the program here. i mean what, what happens if there are major protests that you revision if there are withdrawals, if, if, if countries boy caught it despite in a winning a place in the, in the final, there's a danger for the, you hit the stats, could backfire and do exactly the opposite that the competition will be brought into disrepute optimal or?

absolutely. i think that the way in which people can most impact this is by simply not tuning in to the football with israel participates in to the or visit the vision of the song contest. all the cultural events, because to do so is effectively allowing these organizations to continue to say that what is happening in gaza is acceptable. can you imagine it's the same thing that happened after the massacre of over $300.00 schoolchildren. and so went to in 1976, this is all who was tens of thousands of times what us, what is happening in gaza. so we should make clear to people that if they all going to support this event, they are actually supporting what is happening in gaza. and we should make it extraordinarily embarrassing for the organizes all these tournaments, some of these cultural events that if they are prepared to play football with and to sing songs with those who are perpetrating genocide, then the vast majority of us around the world as we did in fighting

a cottage in south africa will be saying no sign, cute not for us. we stand with the palestinian people. and the gentleman we must have many thanks, indeed, and refined staying about godaddy and chris rose. with thanks for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website is that all just there a dot com for further discussion. please join us on our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h a inside story out. of course, you can join the conversation on x a handle at a j inside story from me, adrian said again to the team here in so i will see you again. fly from the sears for miles is here on the go and meet tonight out is there is only mobile app. is that the,

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