before securing 1st time testimonies from those with skate, their narratives, and the lessons that should be here. the right person in charge of an insane script, the script becomes believable. a phillips made the end of fear on a jersey european organizations have no plans to ban israel from events such as the way for football championships, the eurovision song contest despite its war on concept. why does israel complete in europe, and why are your pin organization is defending its continued participation? this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again, it's classified of culture. but the eurovision song contest means different things to different people. once the most watched event on tv across europe,

depending on your taste, it's anything from a celebration of diversity and inclusion, to unexpectedly guns of tacky could call for the pitiful pensions of the west in music for israel bow despite being a middle eastern nation, your vision means for forming on the european stage, with no hint of its decades of illegal occupation and breaches of international law . in comparison, 2 years ago, russia was swifty by and from the competition and european football and the nation that gave us tchaikovsky and rock mountain offices. what is your vision when it's top to and being a bee line remains banned from the song contest? so why is is what it allowed to compete regardless of its war on guns, that would just kill 2028000 palestinians and injured many more. why is europe so strongly defending israel as participation of double standards of play? here? we'll discuss all of this with, i guess shortly. but 1st a report from image and came by of the israel's national football team or and the 2

games away from reaching the european championships. all 12 members of the west asian football federation. however, one israel to be bought from international competition for what they describe as will crimes and goals are a degree for some, at least nations. as written to the worlds 211 federations and 6 regional confederations. quoting for a band, israel says to me, is quite cynical and shameless with one senior official commenting. the politics should stay. i just sport. when russia invited ukraine in march 2022, it's national football team and clubs. with swift feedback and from international competition. the footballs. european governing body wafer says it hasn't discussed imposing similar restrictions on israel, nor does it, tante. it's rejected accusations of double standards that 2 different completely different situations between the 2 countries because of so, ah, no forget, it stopped the war and action. okay. and then this,

that's what this company you know, which is regret them, of course. and in the me least not, not the have been previous bands and international football relating to political issues such as the exclusion as a form. and you can smell of us from the european championship finals in 1992 because of the bulk of move. and then that's your vision, as well as most in europe it competes in the annual. so in contest of to winning in 2018. it hosted the event in 2019 in fox is ro is one of your vision's top competitors, having won the contest full times. but it's called dissipation. this drawing a position to where again the vision is the machine to market is the place that includes is or isn't that is more thankful to that is the voters when in fact the south part, i'd say the palestinian groups including the boy cool divestment and sanctions

movement almost altis on the public, not to participate, but no one scheduled to perform with 3 of the inviting ukraine. russia was kicked out to view a vision, last year's event, and livable discuss doing with flags and support of ukraine to put in 2019 items find because band members wearing scopes bearing the palestinian flag like you a 5th. your vision organizes also argue the cases of russia is rather different. the european board costing union city on russia because it state tv had repeatedly preached membership obligations violated public service media values. however, the con, tv channel, in tennessee, which broad costs the competition to select as well as your vision entry, has been criticized for featuring fall right. pro will views, including children's choir singing, about eliminating palestinians from garza image and kimber out 0. the inside story

. the what we did reach out to you a $5.00 to support his royal taking punch in your p and events, but no one took up the invitation to take pods. i'm sure we'd be talking about this again. they'll be on all the time. i hope in the meantime, that's bringing our guests in london. we have a $105.00 staying rights and come paid a hoops up as an m p under the full, the south african president, nelson mandela from ramallah and the occupied west bank, but joined by oh my, my go to the co founder of the boy called to investments and sanctions movement at a founding member of a palestinian campaign for the academic and cultural boy content as well. and also in london, chris rose, the director of a most trusted creation of human rights organization that has a long history of campaigning for palestinian rice. gentleman, i will welcome to you all and let's start with you. should israel be bought from international competition, or does you wait for the secretary general?

have a point when he says that israel's war and guns and the way it began cannot be compared to russia's invasion of ukraine. well, it's an absurdity from you a for a festival, because what we're seeing is massive violations of international law, both in the ukraine by russia and quint obviously in in garza by israel. in fact, what we also have in the case of gaza is the international court of justice suggesting the best possible risk. in other words, fremont from the evidence that israel is committing genocide. so i think that that was disingenuous and best boss as somebody who was involved in the struggle against the project in south africa who sent them to nelson mandela is nancy m. p. the support of white cock council on academic by cock moving close, the economic board cuts what absolutely crucial and bringing it into

a paquet in south africa. and you know, we had a phrase in the liberation and struggled in their normal support in an abnormal society. so, so when i hear, you know, people saying politics should stay out of school. clearly they didn't believe that because of the way they treated russia. bought it for minds me so much of my friend, my friend and mental ad auspicious desmond, to to who said, if you in neutral in situations of injustice, you are on the side of the oppressor. and this is what these cultural and support bodies are doing at the moment. they are affectively some holton by their position, the ongoing genocide in golf. oh my go to the ceo of israel's football association says we're against involving politicians in football and being involved in political matters and sports in general. this is picking up on well, andrew was just saying a few moments ago. he said, i'm trusting fee for not to involve politics and football, but as angel was saying,

this isn't politics, is it? this is about human rights. it's a moral judgment on whether a country deserves to participate in sports. and cultural events is exactly that. the sci fi, as well as the olympics committee, both speak about the respect of human rights. it's been their charters. but both are controlled by the hedge. a monic, colonial of western powers. and from critical to the core is right is indeed very different than the russian situation because it's a 75 year old regime upsets are called on, you know, the apartheid deposit that is ongoing genocide for more that's 4 months now. again, it's 2300000 students in casa. the 2nd point is that fee has comes from the legal supplements and occupied palestinian territories. that in itself is a violation of international law. supplements are considered a one cry under the 4th geneva convention. so in old cases is the archive states,

and that is roughly about association as an association. that includes templar organizations, that 13 should be banned from feet. and is there a should be back from the picture as well? prefers as well. it says that it's acting in self defense, self to the all the events of october, 7th, $28000.00 palestinians have died. it is boned gauze, indiscriminately, it's actions have gone way beyond self defense, haven't they? i'm it faces charges of genocide, as we heard from andrew at the international court of justice. football players and athletes are among that that sports facilities have been destroyed. does he weigh foot, need a rethink? yeah. yeah, i think that's the right thing. i think says i'm not surprised us for talking about with this statement. i think it would be surprising your search for tomorrow or later without concession pressure on 3 sides. why do you try to use the request, chris? why do you say that to? so i think anybody who follows football closely,

whether it be free for or your wife or a witness, something with advice, show them try to lead more really i'm on issues such as this we so if i put reaction with russia, but that was because of the concern effort from all the world level leaders and pilots and they responded to that. but where do i try to be honest? they haven't so i cannot an ethical lead on most issues. i says no surprising here . i just want it's really important for people to put pressure on them to, to ensure andrews as, as chris right. sporting organizations simply reflecting the political stones of, of the countries in which they, they operate as well. i think it goes even beyond that. i definitely agree with christmas cards, but we must also remember that the administration of, for, for, as we've seen over many, many years nice, deeply, deeply corrupt. and it was a fee for who just a few years ago, were very happy to have that president sat next to president,

letting me have put them in russia as they watched the world in the country. so, you know, basically we've also just had a world cup in catawba, which has its own human rights abuses, etc, etc. so, i mean, these organizations all themselves deeply corrupted both morally and materially. i also think it's, it's really cool to make the point that z o m s. m, i suggested, you know, these are a reflection of the sort of countries and organizations that are supporting a program of settling colonialism in palestine that has been ongoing for 75 years. and i could face the soaps of to tubes that they had displaying very, very closely to the salts of attitudes that were displayed during the west days of a project in south africa. this is racist white supremacy. can you imagine the

situation? or if any of the conference was doing to an innocent civilian population, one israel is doing to the people. of course, the best simply wouldn't be the salt of accommodation. and this attempt to provide, not just political and diplomatic cover, but also to provide the weapons from the us, the u. k. across europe. that is being used day off the day to slow to elicit palestinians. so we must then take these attitudes in the salt of racist white supremacy and color new affect the regimes that they find themselves and accept the countries in europe and north america aust, supporting this oh my, you wouldn't building an agreement that you do want to come in on that yes, i absolutely agree with this what the andrew said, and it's all about to so part of this race isn't that under mentioned is that the

human ice ation of people of this global south. in south africa, the absolute majority of the black ground majority, where the humanized and the white supremacist regime was accepted in the west patch or reagan and so on. similarly, what this is doing, it's doing the side against the other thing is, is tolerated, funded arm to buy the same western colonial powers. and part of that is the company, i think the other student in terms of the system of oppression a, this ongoing genocide, the supporting organizations play a role in this because they are entirely dominated by those same colonial powers. so in the other streaming media movement, we've called on the global something particular to to every bell against this western colonial domination. and if this was not to be democratized, whether the fixed committee would not be democratized with not true, the respect human rights that i don't turn into, it has to be established to chris. disposing bodies made more robust policies that

on the criteria are required to exclude countries from competition. and this may sound a very naive question forgive me, but i'm going to ask it anyway, a pass and an independent body. the considers the facts and makes the decision for them so that they don't have to get involved in, in decisions like this. um, yeah, i mean, i think given the ideal, so i'm sure thing, there's so much trusted interest involved. that is by how to see that happening. i mean, that certainly was free for the most of the electric bodies such and such that's probably the full accountability for most of the scourge and the can law shooters i see for um, access by hard for people to hold some accounts to that and it's only when we have a real force of people standing, you know, see these policies and demanding a change of receipt. any movements or tools. but it really is by hard to get them to be accountable because i really don't later. but as to what it said,

if this story please come, come in the entry, if i may, i think, i mean, the christmas point is exactly right. these organizations part of a tiny global elite who operates and utilize spoken culture in a way to effectively enrich themselves. and politics is a key component of this tiny global lead. and i think the best thing that we can do as ordinary citizens of the world, wherever we may be located, is to exempt as much pressure on as possible on our governments to actually change their attitude. so that there is more pressure to put on these completely on the comfortable bodies of the realities. all additions feel pretty uncomfortable at the moment as well. but at least in some countries where we have so liberal democracy, they still require our votes every now and then. and it's at moments like this that we need to put pressure on them. for instance,

something we've heard and protests across the world and supportive god as being the phrase may cease fire no votes. and i think this applies as much to the way in which organizations like fee for a new revision and behave. not only that we should demand uh, publications, but pressure on them, but we as individuals, stops pull to their phones all spoiled or entertainment that they produce. if they're going to allow israel conducting genocidal actions in gaza to freely participate in their activities. all right, all right, let's, let's put that straight back to chris to what extent to picking up on what andrew was saying? what extent responses that advertises have a role to play here? is it a commercial decision not to buy israel from competition? yeah, i think the commercial aspects of she's human read just same shooting. the withdrawal, the sponsorship of israel is a football association. back in december. this and here's pots for why that i can

only extract the doing fine. i can say what say like the reality is i withdrew the support. oscar assess impressions, i think is want to, i think, is bipolar to the board short term pain. we support that because that puts pressure on these bodies to log and listen. so sponsors responses have for most of them wage or as known people sure we have to, to expose the sponsors. but using those for the purchase, i'm not sure support organizations which further these policies across a bunch of that perhaps got to this early or the discussion but, but of all for you when. but why is israel allowed to compete in european sporting competitions? it's a middle eastern country. why is it in so important israel to do so? why does it consist? what does israel consider it important to do so? i mean, israel was a member of the football confederation and we're trained but not 254, not to some people. and then they will expel from that from before. they started to

come page for the base you tree free for will chop with the european settings, and then gradually is ready to start playing in europe and competitions and that and not to full. israel became a member of the rifle, there's a few other countries installed, travels, global countries which are mountains, as you, i for is realty only country, which is not a member of your present it. but that's a rich as to why it's a possibility for a mice able to compete in the life insurance. all right, so i'm picking up on what both andrew and chris was saying that how much does public opinion here mass, a football fan is what a voice, the anger, what sporting and cultural parties be forced to rethink of what i wanted to add to what chris said about why this ran this part of european supporting organizations like

a part of the district is european settler, put on, you know, creation. that's why they didn't care of their own basically. so to speak to that one. another point i wanted to, to attend to a thing aside from the boy cards that we're doing against the companies involved in sponsoring some of those sporting events and supporting associations with the pdf movement supported by 300, got a student in sporting across the house code for disruption, peaceful disruption. beeping sporting events like go live picks coming up in paris, week or not just for protests and writing letters and demonstrations, but an actual physical peaceful disruption. we put many partners into bts moment has been doing destruction. the grand central station joyce was for a piece of stops excellent disruptions and destructive liberty and so on and so forth. everyone else think that we're asking for the same in paris so that the

powers that be listened to the people that we are not. okay, absolutely, we will not accept ident assigned to the state participating in those mass sporting events for to washing their system of oppression. ok, i just want to turn our attention out to the europeans that the origin song called test. i'm sorry, the autopay and broadcasting union, which represents national broadcast as across europe, has this to say about israel's participation in each provision or governing bodies . the revisions on context reference group in the executive board did review the participants list for 2024 and agreed that the is where the public board costa can match for the competition rules for this year and can participate as it has for the past. 50 is where a, where instead of the many voices according to exclude israel from this is competition in the same way as we excluded the russian pulled cost in 2022. following the, the ation of ukraine comparisons between was in conflict. a complex and difficult and as a non political media organization,

it's not alice to make. the view is aligned with all the international organizations, including supports unions and federations of, of the international bodies that have similarly maintaining their inclusive stance towards as many participants and major competitions at this time. and that was a statement given to us on behalf of no car. i'm the director general thoughts. just on the 2 years ago of the russia invited ukraine. the ab, you found the country from you are a vision of at the time, said this about his decision, which it said reflects concerning the in the lights of the unprecedented prices in ukraine, the inclusion of a russian entry. and this he has contest would bring the country competition into disrepute. advertised in the you statement, make sense here? why would russia's participation bring the contrast into disrepute israel's a it's a total nonsense. you know this organization which is a function of broad cost as who frantically have absolutely not

fulfilled their responsibility as broad cost is in the coverage of israel genocidal actions in gaza. it says there is the same people, the finding and they don't know the people they choose to consult, no better than the judges of the highest coal to the international court of justice . i think what one has to understand is that what they are doing, they trying to create a better p lo full. that justification of israel sold on garza and adrian if i may. and i say this as of june, i say this of the front of a holocaust survivor who has election at the house for its own genocide prevention . when my mother lost thousands of have family, there is a thread of the 6 stream racism and genocidal behavior that

runs from the holocaust through a pop tape south africa to a party it israel and its brutal and illegal occupation of palestine and we have seen so many organizations like this broad cost to union making absolute fools of themselves, destroying the post holocaust architecture for the international rule of low to ensure that we never see another holocaust in the boulder to defend israel actions . their actions are indefensible. and the behavior of groups like the sporting bodies and like the e b u, of similarly defensible, they are effectively endorsing and supporting genocide against people of goss. i'm up, i'm, i'm sure you'll have something to add to that, but what do you make about line in the, in the you statement that it's aligned with all the international organizations,

including sports unions and federations and other international bodies. to what extent are they all in cahoots with each other here on decisions except to implemented panel? not in spanish says preferential it's it's, it's the exact opposite. it's a bunch of the western powers controlled ingles. these 40 organizations making cool the decisions, deciding that the renovation that brings into disrepute to a b u and it kind of goes into process yet is sort of genocide the machine does not . it's because europe is the center of the world genocides. and whether that transatlantic slave industry, whether it's the cold war in north america, south america, oceania, and so on. they don't feel a genocide goes into economy. what hot their reputation. because you know, i was just talking about just like the u. k. friends, attendance, germany,

a lot of them have been involved in insect from spain. and so once they've been involved to drive sites, but many of the people's across europe are not represented by those decisions. we're seeing already thousands of people go to products. we think it's from univision segment, the site itself is not there a lot of pressure from civil side to to withdraw if it's red participates. so is iceland in our event across europe, in belgium, in dispatcher state, we're seeing a lot of action to expel is right. and this inspires us. it's not the government's that do not care about told about human rights or international. they never did. it's the peoples of those countries that are really pushing and the right direction . we think. and chris, do you want to come in on, on the, on the, i don't know whether your vision is the only thing, but i mean, why israel participates in the revisions on context. i mean, have a nose but, but a strange that participates as well. what do you make of, of this, this

e be used for that? again? yeah, i mean, yeah, i mean, i agree. and so what's the best policy said the page. the key thing is what we do about that. i think for this, there are a number of ready trying of courageous musicians and perform a sure sign that not going to perform understand me up to and it's about us galvanized complete trust. so we're not gonna make sure i have to to expect anything else. i think would be. busy nice, but it really does require people to stand up and put pressure on to say, we're just not going to have a dish as possible before lunchtime. so andrew, i've got about a minute and a half left on the program here. i mean what, what happens if there are major protests that you'll revision if there are withdrawals, if, if, if countries boy caught it despite in a winning a place. and in the final, there's a danger for the you hit that the stones could backfire and do exactly the opposite . that the competition will be brought into disrepute optimal. a absolutely,

i think it's, it's the way in which people can most impact this is by simply not tuning in to the football with israel participates into the visit. the vision of the song contest, all the cultural events. because to do so is effectively allowing these organizations to continue to say that what is happening in gaza is acceptable. can you imagine it's the same thing that happened after the massacre of over $300.00 schoolchildren. and so went to in 1976. this is a 1000 pounds of thousands of times what us, what is happening in gaza. so we should make clear to people that if they are going to support this event, they are actually supporting what is happening in gaza. and we should make it extraordinarily embarrassing for the organizes of these tournaments, some of these cultural events that if they are prepared to play football with and to sing songs with those who are perpetrating genocide, then the vast majority of us around the world as we did in fighting

a cottage in south africa will be saying no sign, cute not for us. we stand with the palestinian people. and the gentleman we must ended many thanks indeed, and refined staying home about godaddy and chris rose. as well with thanks for watching, you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. so i'll just say we're a dot com for further discussion. please join us on facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h a inside story out of course you can join the conversation on the x. i'll handle a j inside story from the adrian for to get into the team here. and so i will see you again by from the the latest news. as it breaks, people are scared from the facts that are also a target is happening is 20. 24 with detailed coverage is

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