what do you use on purpose to 0 half the time, and it's to go live on the go live. another story that may not be mainstream the, the way that you tell the story is what can make a difference. european organizations have no plans to ban israel from events such as the way for football championships of the eurovision song contest despite its war on concept. why does israel complete in europe, and why are your pin organizations defend tickets? continued participation. this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again,

it's classified of culture. but the eurovision song contest means different things to different people. once the most watched event on tv across europe, depending on your taste, it's anything from a celebration of diversity and inclusion, to unexpectedly guns of tacky could call for the pitiful pensions of the west in music for israel bow despite being a middle eastern nation, your vision means for forming on the european stage, with no hint of its decades of illegal occupation and breaches of international law . in comparison, 2 years ago, russia was swifty by and from the competition and european football and the nation that gave us tchaikovsky and rock mountain offices. what is your vision when it's top to not be aligned remains banned from the song contest. so why is, is what it allowed to compete regardless of its war on guns, that would just kill 2028000 palestinians and injured many more. why is europe so strongly defending israel as participation of double standards of play? here? we'll discuss all of this with, i guess shortly. but 1st

a report from image and came up of the israel's national football team or need to games away from reaching the european championships. o 12 members, the west asian football federation. however, one israel to be bought from international competition for what they describe as will crimes and goals a, a degree for them, at least nations as written to the world's $211.00 federations and 6 regional confederations. quoting for bon israel says to me is quite cynical and shameless with one's senior official commenting. the politics should stay out of sport when russia invaded ukraine. in march 2022, its national footprint team and club was with the band international competition, the footballs. european governing body usaa says it hasn't discussed imposing similar restrictions on israel noticed it, tante, it's rejected accusations of double standards that 2 different completely different situations between the 2 countries because of so long story that fits the war

and action. okay. and then this type of what this company now, which is regret, of course, and in the middle east, but not the have been previous bands and international football relating to political issues such as the exclusion as a form. and you can solve us from the european championship finals in 1992 because of the bulk and war. and then as you are vision low, as well as most in europe, it competes in the annual sun context of to winning in 2018. it hosted the event in 2019 in fox. israel is one of your vision's top competitors, having won the contest full times. but it's called dissipation custodial position to where again, the vision is the machine to market place isn't that is more thankful to that is

the voters when in fact the south part, i'd say the palestinian groups including the boy divestment and sanctions movement . almost altis on the public, not to participate, but no one scheduled a full retreat of the invading ukraine. rush was kicked out of your vision last year's event and livable discuss doing with flags and support of ukraine. but in 2019 items find because band members wearing scopes burying the palestinians, flock like you a for your vision organizes also, all the cases of russia is rather different. the european board costing union set it on russia because it state tv had repeatedly reached membership publications and violated public service media values. however, the can tv channel in tennessee which broad costs the competition to select as well as your vision entry has been criticized for featuring fall right pro will views,

including children's choir singing, about eliminating palestinians from garza image and kimber out 0. but inside story, the, what we did reach out to you, i found others who support israel taking punch in your p and events. but no one took out the invitation to take part. i'm sure we'd be talking about this again. they'll be on all the time. i hope in the meantime, let's bring in our guests. in london, we have under 5 staying a right to and come paid a hoops up as an m p under the full, the south african president, nelson mandela from ramallah and the occupied west bank, but joined by oh my, my go to the co founder of the boy called to investments and sanctions movement at a founding member of a palestinian campaign for the academic and cultural boy content as well. and also in london, chris rose, the director of a most trusted creation of human rights organization that has a long history of campaigning for protest in human rights. gentlemen, i will welcome to you o andrew. let's start with you. should israel be bought from international

competition, or does your wife a secretary general have a point when he says that as well as war and gas in the way it began, cannot be compared to russia's invasion of ukraine. well, it's an absurdity from you. a for festivals, because what we're seeing is massive violations of international law, both in the ukraine by russia and quint obviously in in garza by israel. in fact, what we also have in the case of gaza is the international court of justice suggesting the best possible risk. in other words, freedom of fallacy, evidence that israel is committing genocide. so i think that that was disingenuous and best boss. somebody who was involved in the struggle against the pots a to themselves. i forget who says i'm the nelson mandela is nancy m. p. the support of white cock council on academic by cock moving close. the economic board

cuts what absolutely crucial and bringing it into a paquet in south africa. and you know, we had a phrase in the liberation and struggled in their normal support in an abnormal society. so. so when i hear, you know, people saying politics should stay out of school. clearly they didn't believe that because of the way they treated russia, bought it for mines. me so much of my friend of my friend and mental ad auspicious desmond tutu, who said if you in neutral in situations of injustice, you are on the side of the oppressor. and this is what these cultural and support bodies are doing at the moment. they are affectively some holton by their position, the ongoing genocide in golf. o my bug booty. the see of israel is football association says we're against involving politicians and football and being involved in political matters in support. in general, this is picking up on, well,

andrew was just saying a few moments ago he said, i'm trusting faithful not to involve politics and football. but as angel was saying, this isn't politics, is it? this is about human rights. it's a moral judgment on whether a country deserves to participate in sports and cultural events is excited to see side as well as the olympics committee. both speak about the respect of human rights. it's in their charters, but both are controlled by the hedge. a monic, colonial of western powers, and from critical to the core is right is indeed very different than the russian situation because it's a 75 year old regime upsets are called on, you know, the apartheid deposit that is ongoing genocide for one that's 4 months now again, it's 2300000 students in casa. the 2nd point is that fee has comes from illegal supplements and occupied palestinian territories. that in itself is a violation of international law. supplements are considered a one crime under the 4th geneva convention. so the whole cases is the archive

states, and that is roughly about association as an association. that includes templar organizations, that 13 should be banned from feet. and is there a should be back from the big us about prefers as well. it says that it's acting in self defense, self to the all the events of october, 7th, $28000.00 palestinians have died. it is boned gauze, indiscriminately, it's actions have gone way beyond self defense, haven't they? i'm it faces charges of genocide as we heard from andrew at the international court of justice. football players, an athletes are among the that sports facilities have been destroyed. does he weigh foot, need a rethink? yeah. yeah, i think the thing i think since i'm not surprised with for time out with this statement, i think it would be surprising your search for tomorrow or later without concession pressure on 3 sides. why do you start to use the request?

press one, do you say that to so i think anybody who follows football closely, whether it be free for or your wife or a witness, something with if i show them try to lead more really i'm on issues such as this we so if i put reaction with russia, but that was because of the concern effort from all the world's level leaders and pilots, and they responded to that. but where do i try to be honest? they haven't, so i cannot an ethical lead on most issues. so it's not surprising here, and it's one, it's really important for people to put pressure on them today. sure, andrews is as chris right, sporting organizations simply reflecting the political stones of, of the countries in which they, they operate as well. i think it goes even beyond that. i definitely agree with christmas party, but we must also remember that the administration of for board, as we've seen over many, many years nice, deeply, deeply corrupt. and it was

a fee for who just a few years ago were very happy to have that president sat next to president, letting me have put in russia as they watched the world come in the country. so, you know, basically we've also just had a world cup in control which has its own human rights abuses, etc, etc. so, i mean, these organizations all themselves deeply corrupted both morally and materially. i also think it's, it's really important to make the point that z o m s. m, i suggested, you know, these are a reflection of the sort of countries and organizations that all supporting a program of settling colonialism in palestine and that has been ongoing for 75 years. and i could face the soaps of the tubes that they had displaying very, very closely to the sorts of attitudes that were displayed during west days of

a project in south africa. this is racist white supremacy. can you imagine the situation? or if any of the conference was doing to an innocent civilian population, one israel is doing to the people of cause the best simply wouldn't be the salt of accommodation. and this attempt to provide, not just political and diplomatic cover, but also to provide the weapons from the us that you came across europe. that it's being used day off the day to slow to elicit palestinians. so we must then take these attitudes in the salt of racist white supremacy and color, and it will fit the regimes that they find themselves and accept the countries in europe and north america all supporting this. oh my, you wasn't building an agreement that you do want to come in on that a yes, i absolutely agree with sort to enter so,

and it's all about the whole. so part of this race isn't that under mentioned, is that the human ice ation of people of this global south. in south africa, the absolute majority of the black ground majority, where the humanized and the white supremacist regime was accepted in the west patch or reagan and so on. similarly, what this, what it's doing, it's doing the site against the other thing is, is tolerated, funded arm 2 by the same western colonial powers. and part of that is the coming, i think the other student input contents of the system oppression this ongoing kind of side. the supporting organizations play a role in this because they are entirely dominated by those same colonial powers. so in the other streaming media movement, we've called on the global something particular to to every bell against this western colonial domination. and if this was not to be democratized, whether it be for the next committee, it would not be democratized with not true. the respect human rights that those

turns it has to be established. chris disposing bodies need more robust policies that on the criteria are required to exclude countries from competition. and this may sound a very naive question, forgive me, but i'm going to ask it anyway, a pass and an independent body, the considers the facts and makes the decision for them so that they don't have to get involved in, in decisions like this. some. yeah, i mean, i think in the ideal sense, i think there's some expressive interest involved that is by how to see that happening. i mean, that certainly was free for the most of the electric bodies such and such that's probably the full accountability for most of the scourge and the can law shooters i see for um, search by hard for people to hold some accounts to that. and it's only when we have a real force of people standing, you know, see these policies and demanding a change of receipt. any movements or tools. but it really is by hard to get them

to be accountable because i really don't later. but as to what it said, if this story please come to come in the entry, if i may, i think, i mean the christmas point is exactly right. these organizations, part of a tiny global elite who operates in your glass, fulton culture and a way to effectively enrich themselves. and politics is a key component of this tiny global lead. and i think the best thing that we can do as ordinary citizens of the world, wherever we may be located, is to exempt as much pressure on as possible on our governments to actually change their attitude. so that there is more pressure to put on these completely on the comfortable bodies of the realities. all additions feel pretty uncomfortable at the moment as well. but at least in some countries where we have so liberal democracy, they still require our votes every now and then. and it's at moments like this that

we need to put pressure on them. for instance, something we've heard and protests across the world and supportive god as being the phrase may cease fire know verbs. and i think this applies as much to the way in which organizations like fee for a new revision and behave. not only that, we should demand out public officials put pressure on them, but we as individuals, stops pull to their phones all spoiled or entertainment that they produce. if they're going to allow israel conducting genocidal actions in gaza to freely participate in their activities. all right, all right, let's, let's put that straight back to chris to what extent to picking up on what andrew was saying, what extent the sponsors and advertises have a role to play here? is it a commercial decision? not to bar israel from competition? yeah, i think the commercial aspects of she's human read just same shooting. the withdrawal, the sponsorship of israel is

a football association. back in december. this and here's pots for why that i can only distress a doing fine. i can say what say like the reality is i withdrew the support. oscar assess impressions, i think is want to, i think is bar to the, to the board short term paying. we support that because that puts pressure on these bodies to log and listen. so sponsors responses have for most of them wage or as known people sure we have to to expose the sponsors. but using the ser, purchase, i'm not to support organizations which further these policies are chris, i should have perhaps got to this earlier the discussion but, but of all for you when. but why is israel allowed to compete in european sporting competitions? it's a middle eastern country. why is it so important that if israel to do so, why does it consist? why does this well consider it important to do so. i mean, israel was a member of the football confederation and we're trained but not 254,

not to some people. and then they were expelled from that from before they started to come page for the ac tree, free for world chop with the european settings. and then gradually is ready 12 started playing in europe and competitions in that and not you full. israel became a member of the rifle, there's a few other countries installed, travels, global countries, which i mentioned to you. i for is realty only country, which is not a member of your present it. but that's a rich as to why it's a possibility for a mice able to compete in the life insurance. all right, so i'm picking up on what both andrew and chris were saying that how much does public opinion here mass? a football fan is with a voice, the anger, what's bullying and cultural parties be forced to rethink of what i wanted to add to what chris said about why this ran this part of european

supporting organizations like a part of africa. part of the district is european settler, put on, you know, creation. that's why they take care of their own, basically, so to speak, to one another point i wanted to, to attend to a thing. aside from the boy cards that we're doing against the companies involved in sponsoring some of those sporting events and supporting associations with the pdf movement supported by 300, a student in supporting a close house code for disruption, peaceful, disruption. beeping or sporting events like the fix coming up in paris, week or not just for protests and writing letters and demonstrations, but the actual physical piece for destruction. we put many partners into bts moment has been doing destruction. the grand central station joyce was for a piece of time, excellent disruptions and destructive liberty and so on and so forth. everyone has

seen that we're asking for the same in powers so that the powers that be listened to the people that we are not. okay, absolutely, we will not accept a job assigned to the state participating in those mass sporting events for to washing their system of oppression. ok, i just want to turn our attention out to the european that the origin song called test, i'm sorry, uh, the europe and broadcasting union, which represents national, broad cost is across europe. has this to say about israel participation in your a vision or governing bodies. the eurovision song contest reference group in the executive board did review the participants list of 2024 and agreed that these really public broadcast to can match all the competition rules for this year and can participate as it has for the past. 50 is where a, where it's set of the many voices, according to exclude israel from this is competition in the same way as we excluded the russian pulled constant in 2022. following the advice of ukraine, comparisons between was in conflict. a complex and difficult and as

a non political media organization, it's not alice to make. the view is aligned with all the international organizations, including supports unions and federations of, of the international bodies that have similarly maintaining their inclusive stance towards as many participants and major competitions at this time. and that was the statement given to us on behalf of no car on the e. b, you director general box. just on the 2 years ago of the russia invited ukraine, the ab, you found the country from you are a vision at, at the time. said this about its decision, which it said reflects concerning the in the lights of the unprecedented classes in ukraine, the inclusion of a russian entry and this, he has contest would bring the country competition into disrepute. advertising the b u statement make sense here? why would russia's participation bring the contrast into disrepute? but how is rails? it's a total nonsense. you know this organization which is

a function of broad cost as who frantically have absolutely not fulfilled their responsibility as broad cost is in the coverage of israel genocidal actions in gaza. it says there is the same people, the finding and they don't know the people they choose to consult, no better than the judges of the highest coal to the international court of justice . i think what one has to understand is that what they are doing, they trying to create a better p. uh, look full the justification of israel sold on garza and adrian. if i may, i say this as of june. i say this of the front of a holocaust survivor who was election at the house for its own genocide prevention . when my mother lost thousands of have family, there is

a thread of the 6 stream racism and genocidal behavior that runs from the holocaust through a pop tape south africa to a party it israel and its brutal and illegal occupation of palestine. and we're seeing so many organizations like this broad cost to union making absolute fools of themselves, destroying the post holocaust architecture for an international who low to ensure that we never see another holocaust in the boulder to defend israel actions . their actions are indefensible. and the behavior of groups like the sporting bodies, and like the e b, u, of similarly defensible, they are effectively endorsing and supporting genocide against the people of casa, i'm up, i'm, i'm sure you'll have something to add to that,

but what do you make about line in the, in the you statement that it's aligned with all the international organizations, including sports unions and federations and other international bodies. to what extent are they all in cahoots with each other? yeah. on decisions except to implement the final not in spanish says preferential it's it's, it's the exact opposite. it's a bunch of the western powers control ingle of these 40 organizations making cool decisions. deciding that the russian invasion that brings into disrepute to the a, b u and it kind of goes in a process yet as far as trying to sign the brushing does not. it's because europe is the center of the world genocides. whether that transatlantic slave industry, whether it's the called on us, um in, in north america, south america, oceania and so on. they don't feel a genocide to center calling me what hod,

their reputation. because you know, i was just talking about just like the u. k. france, germany, a lot of them have been involved in insect from spain. and so once they've been involved the driver side, but many of the people's across europe are not represented by those decisions. we're seeing already thousands of people go to park. so that gets rough from univision segment, the state itself is not there a lot of pressure from civil side to to withdraw. if israel participates, so is iceland in ireland, across europe, in belgium, in dispatch mistake, we're seeing a lot of action to expel is right. and this inspires us, it's not the government's that do not get the care of that tool and about human rights or international. they never did. it's the peoples of those countries that are really pushing in the right direction. we think. and chris, do you want to come in on, on the, on the, i don't know whether your vision is the only thing, but i mean, why israel participates in the revisions on context. i mean, have a nose but, but

a strange that participates as well. what do you make of, of this, this e be used for that? again? yeah, i mean, calling me yeah. i mean i agree. and so your thoughts on both published as a page. the key thing is what we do about that. i think for this, there are a number of read and trying to of courageous musicians and perform a show. so i'm not going to perform center, study out to and it's about a scope. and i should people say we're not gonna make sense to us to expect anything else i think would be. busy nice, but it really does require people to stand up and put pressure on to say, we're just not going to have a dish as possible because we're going to try and start andrew. i've got about a minute and a half left on the program here. i mean what, what happens if there are major protests that you revision if there are withdrawals, if, if, if countries boy caught it despite in a, a winning a place. and in the final, there's a danger for the you hit the stats,

could backfire and do exactly the opposite. that the competition will be brought into disrepute optimal. yeah, absolutely. i think it's, it's the way in which people can most impact this is by simply not tuning it to the football with israel participates into the visit, the vision of the song contest, all the cultural events. because to do so is effectively allowing these organizations to continue to say that what is happening in gaza is acceptable. can you imagine it's the same thing that happened after the massacre of over $300.00 schoolchildren. and so went to in 1976. this is a 1000, was tens of thousands of times what us, what is happening in ga that. so we shouldn't make clear to people that if they all going to support this event, they are actually supporting what is happening in gaza. and we should make it extraordinarily embarrassing for the organizes all these tournaments, some of these cultural events that if they are prepared to play football with and

to sing songs with those who are perpetrating genocide, then the vast majority of us around the world as we did in fighting a cottage in south africa will be saying no sign, cute not for us. we stand with the palestinian people. and the gentleman we must have many thanks, indeed, and refined staying about godaddy and chris rose. with thanks for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website, so i'll just say we're a dot com for further discussion. please join us, allow facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h a inside story out. of course, you can join the conversation on the x a handle at a j inside story from the adrian said again to the team here. and so i will see you again by from the this is the 1st one they saw that we see the real time. it's the victims themselves

. there's a disconnect between what we are witnessing on social media versus what we're seeing on mainstream. it is always an attempt to frame a to side of them, but there is no 2 sides to this. the western media does have a western bias. understand what they are looking to see out and raise. the listening post covers how the news is covered. what constitutes exempt, so we generally talk, you were saying, i want you to start with just the fence runners to what happened as independent. we won't be, we want the education. my wants to be the we don't have lead them in different countries policy on it's meant to get 50 percent representation and accountability and benefit. no 1000 service this claim and then you're saying you don't have your reports with it. i should just trust the community. austin is 5

times the crew that used to produce outstanding gentleness and integrity in the pursuit of truth, the innovation of israel's communist oscars. if the plans to push into the city when more than a 1000000 palestinians of sheltering the eligibility online from durham. so coming up the you enter our good cause for the us to at to the for as well. the tax with alpha they want to stop before this displacement of hundreds of thousands of palestinians full of pock hasanti put.