it's most are presumed dead and buried, inclined to stine graves throughout the country. here in mexico's most violent state, when a what the reasons disappearance has hit this collective of searchers hard, a member of their own group has been abducted last month. armin storm rodents, the kind of home killed her husband and son before dragging her away. no one has heard from her since or knows for sure why she was targeted. so now they have added her to the list of missing loved ones and also being close everywhere we turn were stuck in the middle of the government, the people on the cartels without any way to defend ourselves. we don't want to find blame. we just want to find our children and now also lorenzo, here instead of mancha, as in towns all across mexico. the faces of the missing hanging, the city center, a constant reminder to anyone who walks by, but especially to government officials of how much this town has last already.

over one 100000 people are officially missing in mexico, 4000 of them. and when i want to, their relatives say they must take on the dangerous work of searching themselves. but i am the i still granted, given the large number of disappeared, the institutional in difference, the lack of resources and political will from authorities. it's been the families these collectives are organized to look and fields. clandestine groups, officially, 5 volunteer searchers have been killed in one why to since 2020. but the local researchers say there were at least 9 documented cases, looked up at the perpetrators of these crimes against people searching for the relative send the message of impunity, but also of fear and terror to society at large. these crimes seem specifically to be mobilized the search collectives on the other members of load is collective, have little faith that she'll be found to live, but they hope her disappearance. my servant purpose to force the government to do

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algebra to india, sports like wrestling and boxing. hit traditionally being estimates to women, one on one a meets the female athletes flash into that place and the ring on out to xerox. israel's assault on gaza enters its 5th month. the death toll in the enclave continues to rise and humanitarian crisis deepens. so when will the killing stuff and what is the missing, yahoo governments, long term strategy. and this week's upfront special, our last, the former director of inside the frame probably be the same. however you thank you so much for joining us in upfront. i am happy to read you this evening since the start of israel's assault on guys a israel's stated aim, has been to destroy from us. yet despite being 4 months into this,

what we're entering the 5th month and dropping enough explosives that rival the weight of to nuclear bombs. israel has allegedly killed just 20 to 30 percent of from us members, and instead of killed tens of thousands of civilians. but the former director of messiah, which is israel's a national intelligence agency, equivalent to the c i a here in the united states. but do you agree with prime minister benjamin netanyahu is a government strategy? i think that, um, this is a brand which took place now is unique in district of the state of israel. and i think that's the strategy of the, the parameters in the launching that is the cartridge that to the invasion of israel in the south gave him the rights together with these cabinets and the notch cabinets and other cabinets which succeeded them

to uh, conduct this war and i think that we are doing the best we can to itchy, the items that you guys uh, uh, named as the items you would like to achieve. but i'm talking a little bit more about strategy. do you think the strategy that he's deploying is proper? i cannot think of any other strategy that after we were related uh uh on uh, saturday morning, a few months ago and after, uh, the suffering uh the, this uh, went over a 1000 people. i cannot imagine any other strategy except to cartridge hacked into, uh, trying to, uh, get maximum destruction of our enemy. the problem, i think that many people have is that it's not just the enemy that's being destroyed. and at the end of the counter attack, extensively again from us, has had far more of a devastating impact on the civilians. again,

only 20 to 30 percent of mazda members had been killed and yet, tens of thousands of civilians have been killed. one percent of the overall child population and gaza has been killed since october 7th. the mother's children are they make up 2 thirds of the population killed. is this entirely unavoidable? you feel to hear about propulsion attitude. i think here we have to is started at the beginning. if you remember that there was a uh, an evasion of israel on one line in which within a few hours we lost a fall for the number of the, the civilians. uh, not necessarily gonna treat people. uh guess that one or 2 of the uh, the places that were attacked their ministry uh installations,

but basically it was attack against civilians, civilians who were uh, enjoying the holiday. uh, so with the ends who were in one place uh, having a big musical that a festival for the use of the country. and i think that the retaliation has been the issue of which it would not be a 100 years. so the law proportionality, it doesn't mean that if someone commits a war crime by killing women and children, some innocent civilians, etc, then the person who was hit, they've been vitale by hitting the other person's women and children. that that's what it would proportionality involved. if, if, if we begin from the premise that what from us don't interpret 7th was a war crime which we do. i'm stipulating that the beginning of this conversation. how do we then again justify tens of thousands of innocent people being killed? i mean this again, seems avoidable. so why do it to be 0 being killed or not so

necessarily civilians in order to get to come out. so that the forces, it was necessary that you uh, attack uh, installation was done the underground systems where there was a mixture of both the people who are part of the forces of the come us. the issue was the most part of the civilians was not possible in this situation to separate one from the other and the answer and whether the has being a uh, the crime of one kind or another that you are trying to uh, describe the problem the uh one day uh discuss the in the proper uh. busy so just let me ask you a question because this has been something that i've heard stated by uh, many representative representatives of these really government before that the killing of the women, the killing of the children,

the killing of the innocent civilians has been an unfortunate but unavoidable of collateral damage to strike him off and that it had to be done in order to control him. that's. that's the position you're ref. you're essentially taking correct? correct. they both have been as rarely chosen in those hospitals and schools and churches and marks would have done the same thing. so i think that's a, unfortunately, in the 1st of the war, which was launched against israel in which of the target for not a bit of troops donations and not the military times. that's a, a civilian the towns and villages. i think that the, the fact of the matter is that we had no option that's a comforter attack, right. but the respect on the side, you have an answer. my question. if those have been, is rarely chosen in those same hospitals that allegedly have come os installations in schools and in camps. if the,

if is really children is really civilians have been in the very same places instead of palestinian civilians. would you have done the same thing? i think that's a hypothetical question, which i kind of answer. and i think what if it's all the more to do what, why can't you answered if it's unavoidable, you're saying that this had to be done, but that, that we were killing capt palestinian civilians, but it had to be done to control how mazda is the only option we had, why would the options open up a certainly, there was really children, there wouldn't be the exact same thing. and let's just say that is really, children are worth more. i agree with you. that's a bummer. be as a result of the nature of the war which uh, broke out, the civilians, uh, who died including the people who were non comments. i myself of that being the, uh, uh, the participants in one way or another. i, there is a, a child when i was a well go to an authorized or at the independence of his room. a successive was

this route at 25. it's a existence and an independence and that unfortunately in times of war, it's very difficult to uh, try and you separate the civilian population from the population fair, fair enough. but if i'm, if i'm understanding your response correctly though you're saying it's harder to do that when they're palestinian children, because again, you can see that it was unavoidable when it's palestinians, when it's not kind of city of, oh, maybe we could, we think the strategy but let me move on because it, as we said, it was, it was killed over 27000 palestinians, and guys, over 10000 of them were infants and children. and they blended 66000 people. then you ins. humanitarian office accuse is rarely authority of systematically denying access to northern gaza to deliver aid. and it effectively hindered their operations. they say the head of the world, the program stated people in guys a risk dying of hunger, just miles from trucks filled with food. we're seeing reports of countless children

who have faced amputations without anesthesia. on average 10 children are losing their legs every day. and now the humans top court has ordered israel to prevent death to prevent destruction, to prevent any acts of genocide in guys that uh, with all of that in the backdrop. is it fair to say the israel is not doing enough to protect civilians? and i think this is, there is a, it's best not to attack disobedience. i think that's how much is intentionally creating situations which you make the attack against civilians, unavoidable. and i think also you mentioned the international court of justice, the as being a hearing we should to base a couple of weeks ago. and the courts did not decide that israel was uh, commission, any uh, act of the, in the got it z in,

but it was doing and the was terrible. so just out of what about what needs to be confused and think that you're suggesting that the court ruled to the contrary, which was the point of the hearing. this was about the emergency measures. and with the court said, was that it was plausible that genocide was happening and they ordered israel to prevent any acts. and when they listed, all of the things that isn't was to prevent happening, those were effectively the definition of the textbook definition of genocide. i don't think so. i don't think this is a what you don't think so why the court that that's not a matter of dying and usually excuse me, sir. excuse me. so i don't accept the uh, the way you are uh the framing was happening. i explained that the, what is actually happened just totally different than the, uh what you have just now. no, no i, i. ringback i said to the court, i think that the court said that it was plausible that genocide was happening in,

in, in it 1000 by me is really government and that it was bordered to prevent such matters . and when it listened to specific things. but it was to prevent doing those things where the, where the, where the items better the, the fine genocide it international law. which part of what i said was untrue. you know, if you want to start this thing, oh, these 2 sides of the problem. well, they'd be doing, i think you should go like going to the sequence of very fast. i think that ranking women and then and, and, and that and um, touching up the, the bodies of people as it was in the 1st few hours of the war. and preventing them being identified in any way. and after that, the taking are people who they towards and removing them from where they were, and the captive, capturing them and taking them across the board up and acting as if they had the

freedom of what to do, whatever they wanted to run the israel in every village they answer and to close have. i think it is a what has to say to both sides of what is happening and not just the simple a description of yours, of what happened to be a cause, a population. i myself, i'm very, i'm very, i upset the because the population or something so much. and i also have said that to the leaders of bad guys that today considering to continue to wrap it around that more and then not to a sick at a ceasefire, which was ultimately in one way or other, enable the hostages on both sides to be returned i think that's what you're trying to do is to place the blame all of those up and go this route. we did not begin this war. we did not launch the small,

but you did not spend hours in the big been attacking people and coming up the fathers, we did not break people. we didn't do all of these things. and i think that this has to be mentioned. i put in clinical wouldn't be an accurate representation of your position then to say that because her mass allegedly did the things that you're claiming they did that the, the israel's response is warranted even if it also contravenes international law. is that a fair representation? no, i don't think that we have that acted against international law. we have the system administrator legal system. and if a x are being are being kind of out which are against the, the laws of a complex and international law, this will be uh, probably the new cost. but i think that this is not the case. and i don't think

that this should be necessary. the main issue that we should be discussing this evening. i think what we should try and find out is how to put an end to this more on how to bring about a reconciliation and more of a bible to reduce that those who are captives and that not being dragged across the border. and then now dying in the dungeons and uh it does. uh so obviously i, i want to hold everyone accountable for what they do. but i also to your point, want to talk about, do use your word reconciliation. i want to talk about peace. i want to talk about cease fires, you've talked in the past about is really them us having dialogue, having a kind of team to quote you, they kind of mutual existence. you also said in 2016 on this very show that you have to pull talk to your enemies of what, what a dialogue now between is really tomas, look like hi. i'm such as the kind of imagine today

a dialogue between israel come us. i, for many years, advocates at this, and i know that's one time there were serious attempts by come upset deals as well to try and get a uh dialogue going especially uh, sometime around between the 20052010. and i think the most of that time was also interested in finding that maybe uh, uh, united states support or yeah, the efforts to uh, read about a reconciliation between israel and the and the come us. but this didn't work out that way. and unfortunately, instead of that, that every few years time us launch the fact that this is well, we had the, uh, uh, some of the uh, casualties. we had one case we have a uh, soldier who was uh, taken across the border and do it spent a 5 to 6 years in, in the

a uh, jail uh from us in the guys. uh, it was like that. it was a repass range. it was so jim, again, just over a thousands kind of thing is, is really uh the prisons including uh yeah, as well. who was in his ready prison, and he was a, uh, refrigerated mouse the, all the readers are native became the leaders of the subsequent attacks against israel f dialogue. is it possible if you feel that her mazda is in a place a logically or politically, where they're not looking for peace or reconciliation? then how do you imagine getting the hostages back, who you've been talking about? how do you imagine those families, you know, receiving their loved ones? once again, what do you do? and it has nothing yahoo done enough to make it happen. and i think that there is

within the 1st of the past few weeks, more than a few weeks to get a dialogue going and to find ways and means of re pets ranging that the prisoners on both sides of the, of the, of the, of the divide between us and the, and some us and i think that they are not consumed so much is, is to get back the businesses, but they have the loss. and the, they're not that inclined to a release the captives of the hostages that they have every day that goes by more and more people may be losing their lives as a result of the, the food drag upon us on the negotiations which are now proceeding. i want to ask you about the hannibal directive. it's an operational order developed by these really military in the eighty's to prevent the capture of soldiers at any cost including endangering their lives to prevent them from being captured according to

is really newspaper hearts for the army. a quote, dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release. you were already in massage when the directive was introduced and you eventually went on to head. the agency is this, the director that you supported i do not know any such directive. i've never heard of such as director before, and it was all due respect to you. i a question the sincerity of a this particular item that you have on your desk. when you say you've never heard of such a direct me to hear from you, you've heard of the hannibal direct and you're saying that you weren't given that directive. is that what you're saying? you know, i'm not saying i don't know of the existence of such a director. okay. um other people who have been in the military have talked about

the directive. they've said that they have seen it employed. they said that they've seen it canceled all of these people who were discussing a hannibal directive, what do you make of it? you're talking about the item of which i am totally or it's, i'm terribly sorry. i would be very happy to accommodate you. but i cannot follow this the line of your discussion with me because i am not familiar with montreal, sorry, is really air force colonel enough, and it's referred to october 7th as a quote uh, mass hannibal event in reference to the controversial directive. ordering is really commanders to kill their own soldiers, to prevent them from being taken captive when i, when i hear that, just as one example among others, can you understand why the public may find it implausible that you're the head of them aside? former headed them aside, has never even heard of such a directive when multiple members of the idea of multiple levels of government have

said that they've had the directive seen the directive challenge the directive, impose the directive. can you see why that might be in plausible to people? i've never seen any version of what you be saying just now. i'm not seeing isn't any item in the press. i have never been involved by itself in discussions with this guy. and i don't believe that this uh item is a uh, verified item. and i do feel uh it possible to discuss this with you because i am ignorant as to the entire, uh, uh, uh, as this of the planes and the discussions that you have just now described. okay. i mean it's, it's entirely possible that an entire directive was happening in the military and in your organization about which you had no knowledge. and i guess that's possible, it seems again impossible, but i'll, i'll move on. another issue i'd like to touch on as a potential of

a regional war. in the last few weeks, the us launched air strikes into syria and iraq after an iranian back root planing attack on a us out post in jordan. a fighting between his bela and israel, has continued along your countries northern border. the us in the u. k. have also been launching, strikes against what the targets in yemen and response definitely the attacks against international shipping. how big is the risk of a larger war in the middle east right now? i think there is a danger of the war and the disease. i don't want to belittle it, but i believe that those who would be a potential of participants in such a war, i'm not to appear to allow such a war to break out. and when i say that, i'm doing also iran, which in the past and even today is considered one of the most

important and grandmother said the dangers and editors about us. i do not see around the anxious to enter a war at this stage in the released and i don't and imagine any. busy of the, of the policies, including by the way, the, the, is by the, the most is and then all will be and attacking various targets and then also the country. but they have not to move beyond a certain level of the war of the war and drive a law. so they are not interested in increasing the propensity for a lot of break ups. so my fear, my feeling is my estimate is that they will not be a major breakouts of a, a regional war in the middle east,

in the immediate future. uh before you go, you originally stated that there are many people in prime minister netanyahu, whose party, who have reached the conclusion that it's very dangerous to allow him to stay in power for any long period of time. you said quote, let's imagine we, when the war and mr. nits in, yahoo will get up and say, i won the war. maybe it's truly won the war. but what will people say the day after? and my question to you is exactly that. what, what people say about prime minister benjamin netanyahu in the aftermath of all of this. well this is a measure of the, the internal politics and these read uh and uh, various people have their views of the diffusion. obviously in the future of the governments of israel. i belong to a lot of the people who believe that the time has come for a change and the leadership in israel. and i assume that there is

a possibility that this will come about. i don't think that this will in, for us the war games come us between is rather than just come out of the developments because that is a measure of national, the acceptance and the present a log cabin. it's as it age members, not only of the government coalition, but also people outside the garbage and dr. dave, this of this uh, i think the josh is of a major additional wall or in the middle east. uh, not very i, mr. halloween. thank you so much for joining us and upfront. thank you. all right, everyone that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the

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