ron is mocking the 40, so stat of a 3 of the islamic revolution. february 11th, 1979 was the combination of the uprising which toppled the monarchy. the root of the shaw was replaced by miss law that for public both of your body has moved from pet on. this is an important day for the establishment here. it's always been use to highlight it's achievements and rally the people around the ideologies which fuels a revolution in 1979. but it's going to to much was here here for the crumbling economy, rapid unemployment and a truck down on defense. many radians are frustrated, but the ones that did come out here today did so. so one reason it's our duty to participate. this resolution is the result of lots of blood that was spilled. there were many victims for the revolution, so it's our duty to protect it. i think it's the duty of every it any and to support that of lucian and the country by coming here we showed that we stand by that evolution despite all the difficulties and problems from my name was about

done here. but i'm here today to say i support the supreme leader forever. we're all united and will never stop supporting the leader. that unity is what president of running, right? you see is praising here, 45 years on despite unprecedented for, and pressure is an internal this contents. this is the are on the authorities, wants to highlights, store sense of r e l g 0 to her on to people including a 5 year old child has been wounded following the shooting at a texas church. local police, a woman onto the wife will enter the building with the young child off duty police officers who are working as security at the venue shelter until the woman and injured the child. the church belongs to celebrity pasta, joel austin, and as one of the largest religious menus and the us to both office officer and agent engage striking the female seas

deceased here on the same. unfortunately, a 5 year old kid was here and is a critical condition at our local hospital. was a 57 year old man who didn't have anything to do with it. i don't think was shot in the leg these. they can 3, but in the hospital us defense secretary lloyd austin has returned to hospital for treatments for a bladder issue. he is president joe bivens top military advisor and it's the 2nd time he's been hospitalized recent months. he underwent surgery for prostate cancer late last year. austin has transferred duties to deputy secretary of defense, kathleen hicks, and that's set for me, elizabeth put on them for this half hour of news, but to stay with us upfront as coming up next. thank you for watching the laws and take a supervisor of the united states,

the taurus guantanamo and background detention centers, and it's so cold war on terror now, human rights activist campaign for the release of the last i've gone have been one time. i'm will be retraces of steps. we visited his nice nurse. that's the echoes of background. with this documentary on a jersey to israel's assault on gaza enters its 5th month. the depth holding the enclave continues to rise and humanitarian crisis deepens. so when will the killing stuff and what is the missing, yahoo governments, long term strategy. and this week's upfront special, i left the former director of the side frame probably the same. however you thank you so much for joining us and upfront. i am happy to read you this evening since the start of israel's assault on guys a israel's stated aim,

has been to destroy from us. yet despite being foremost into this war, we're entering the 5th month and dropping enough explosives that rival the weight of to nuclear bombs. israel has allegedly killed just 20 to 30 percent of how much members and instead of killed tens of thousands of civilians. but the former director of messiah, which is israel's a national intelligence agency, equivalent to the c i a here in the united states. but do you agree with prime minister benjamin netanyahu a government strategy? i think that um this a brand new stipulation now is unique in district of the state of israel. and i think that's uh the strategy of the, the parameters in the launching of this conference at to the invasion of israel in the south gave me the rights together with these

cabinets and the notch cabinets and other cabinets which are, uh, 16 to them, to, uh, conduct this war, and i think that we are doing the best we can do itchy, the items that you guys uh, named as the items you would like to achieve. but i'm talking a little bit more about strategy. do you think the strategy that he's deploying is proper? i cannot think of any other strategy that after we were related uh, uh on. uh, saturday morning, a few months ago. and after, uh, the suffering uh the best of, uh, went over a 1000 people. i cannot imagine any other strategy except to cartridge hacked into, uh, trying to, uh, get maximum disruption of our entity. but the problem, i think that many people have is that it's not just the enemy that's being

destroyed. and at the end of the counter attack extensively against the mazda has had far more of a devastating impact on the civilians. again, only 20 to 30 percent of mazda members had been killed and yet, tens of thousands of civilians have been killed. one percent of the overall child population in gaza has been killed since october 7th. a mother's children are they make up 2 thirds of the population killed? is this entirely unavoidable? if you're talking about propulsion attitude, i think here we have to is started at the beginning. if you remember that there was a uh and evasion of israel on blackboard in which within a few hours we lost a ball for the number of a the civilians. uh, not necessarily, but it should be, but i guess that one or 2 of the uh,

the places that were attacked their uh, ministry uh installations, but basically it was attack against civilians, civilians who were uh, uh, enjoying the holiday. uh, so with the ends who were in one place uh, having a big musical that a festival for the use of the country. and uh, i think that uh, the retaliation has been the issue which it would not be hard. so the law proportionality, it doesn't mean that if someone commits a war crime by killing women and children as an innocent civilians, et cetera, then the person who was hit, they've been vitale biting the other person's women and children. that that's what proportionality involved. if, if, if we begin from the premise that what from us don't interpret 7th was a war crime which we do. i'm stipulating that the beginning of this conversation. how do we then again justify tens of thousands of innocent people being killed?

i mean this again, seems avoidable. so why do it to be 0 being killed or not so necessarily civilians in order to get help to come out. so that the forces, it was necessary that you uh, attack uh, installation was done the underground systems where there was a mixture of both the people who are part of the forces of the come us, they measured was the most part of the civilians. it was not possible in this situation to separate one from the other and the answer and whether there has been a uh, the crime of one kind or another that you are trying to describe the problem of the one day uh discuss the in the proper uh costs of justice, but let me ask you a question because this has been something that i've heard stated by many

representative representatives of these really government before that the feeling of the women, the killing of the children, the killing of the innocent civilians has been an unfortunate but unavoidable of collateral damage to strike him off and that it had to be done in order to control them as that's, that's the position you're, you're essentially taking, correct? correct. they both have been as rarely children in those hospitals and schools and churches and masks. would have done the same thing and i think that's a, unfortunately, even the 1st of the war which was launched against israel in which of the target for not a bit of troops, donations and not really comes that's a, a civilian, the towns and villages. i think that the, the fact of the matter is that we had no option that's a comforter attack, right. but the respect on the side, you have an answer. my question. if those have been,

is rarely chosen in those same hospitals that allegedly have come os installations in schools and in camps. if the, if is really children is really civilians have been in the very same places instead of palestinian civilians. would you have done the same thing? i think that's a hypothetical question, which i kind of answer. and i think what if it's all the more to do what, why can't you answered if it's unavoidable, you're saying that this had to be done, but that, that we were killing capt palestinian civilians. what it had to be done to control how mazda is the only option we had. why would the options open up a certainly, there was really children, there wouldn't be the exact same thing. and let's just say that is really, children are worth more. i agree with you, that's a bummer. be a as a result of the nature of the war we ship broke out. the civilians who died, including the people who were non comments. i myself of that being the, uh, uh, the participants in one way or another arrive. there is a, a child when i was

a well go to an authorized or at the independence of his room. a successive was at the israel, at 25. well, it's a existence and independence and that unfortunately in times of war, it's very difficult to try and you separate the civilian population from the population fairfax. but let me know if i'm, if i'm understanding your response correctly though you're saying it's harder to do that when they're palestinian chosen because again, you can see that it was unavoidable when it's palestinians, when it's not palestinians. oh, maybe we could. we think the strategy, but let me move on because it, as, as we said, it was, it was killed over 27000 palestinians, and guys, over 10000 of whom were infants and children. and they blended. 66000 people you ins, humanitarian office accuse is rarely authorities of systematically denying access to northern gaza to deliver aid. and it effectively hindered their operations. they say the head of the work program stated people in guys a risk dying of hunger,

just miles from trucks filled with food. we're seeing reports of countless children who have faced amputations without anesthesia. on average 10 children are losing their legs every day. and now the humans top court has ordered israel to prevent death to prevent destruction, to prevent any acts of genocide in gaza. uh, with all of that in the backdrop. is it fair to say the israel is not doing enough to protect civilians? and i think this is, that is very, it's best not to attack disobedience. i think that's, that's how much is intentionally creating situations which you make the attack against the millions unavoidable. and i think also you mentioned the international court of justice, the as being a hearing we should to base a couple of weeks ago. and the courts did not decide. israel was

a committee, any uh, act of the, the got it z in, but it was the and the, well basically it was possible to just out of what my, what is to be confused and think that you're suggesting that the court ruled to the contrary, which was the point of the hearing, this was about the emergency measures and with the court said, was that it was plausible that genocide was happening and they ordered israel to prevent any acts. and when they listed all of the things that isn't was to prevent happening, those were effectively the definition of the textbook definition of genocide. i don't think so. i don't think this is a what you don't think so why the court that that's not a matter of knowing and usually excuse me, sir, excuse me. so i don't accept the, uh, the way you are that framing was happening. i explained that the what is actually happened just totally different than the what you have just now. no, no, i. busy i, i send to the court,

i think that the court said that it was plausible that genocide was happening in, in, in it 1000 by me was really government. and that it was bordered to prevent such matters and wouldn't listen to specific things. but here's what, what's to prevent doing those things where the, where the, where the items that are that define genocide, it international law. which part of what i said was untrue. you know, if you want to just uh, this thing, oh, these 2 sides of the problem. well, they'd be doing, i think you should go like going to the sequence of very fast. i think that's a ranking women and then and, and, and that, and um, touching up the, the bodies of people as it was in the 1st few hours of the law and preventing them being identified in any way. and after that, the taking the people who they towards and removing them from where they were and

the captive, capturing them and taking them across the board and acting as if they had the freedom of what to do, whatever they wanted to run to the israel in the re vintage that they entered and to close that, right, i think it is a what has to say the, the both sides of what is happening and not just the simple a description of yours or what happened to the cause of the population. i myself, i'm very, i'm very, i upset the because the population or something so much. and i also have said that to the leaders of the gaza today considering to continue the around the arts and then not to a sick at a ceasefire, which was ultimately in one way or other enable the hostages on both sides to be returned. i think that's what you're trying to do is to place the blame all of

those up and go this route. we did not begin this war. we did not launch the small, but he did not spend hours in the big in the attacking people and coughing up the fathers, we did not break people. we didn't do all of these things. and i think that this has to be mentioned. i put in clinical wouldn't be an accurate representation of your position then to say that because a mass, the allegedly did the things that you're claiming they did that the israel's response is warranted even if it's also contravenes international law. is that a fair representation? no, i don't think that we have acted against it's an issue though, we have the system administrator legal system. and if a x are being a being the kind of dog which are against that of the most of a complex and international law, this will be uh,

probably the new cost. but i think that this is not the case. and i don't think that this should be necessary. the main issue that we should be discussing this evening. i think what we should try and find out is how to put an answer this more on how to bring about a reconciliation and more of a, a bible to reduce the those who are captives and that not being dragged across the border. and then now dying in the dungeons in the it does up. so obviously i want to hold everyone accountable for what they do. but i also to your point, want to talk about do use your word reconciliation. i want to talk about peace. i want to talk about cease fires, you've talked in the past about israel and i'm us having dialogue, having a kind of tea to quote you it kind of mutual existence. you also said in 2016. 1 on this very show that you have to pull talk to your enemies of what, what

a dialogue now between is really tomas looked like i unfortunately cannot imagine today a dialogue between israel come us i for many years, advocates of this. and i know that's a long time there were serious attempts by that details as well to try and get a uh, dialogue going especially uh, sometime around between the 2005 in 2010. and i think the most of that time was also interested in finding that maybe uh, uh, united states support or yeah, efforts to, uh, read about a reconciliation between israel and the, and the some us. but this didn't work out that way. and unfortunately, instead of that, every few years, how much launch the fact that this is, well, we had the, uh, uh, some of the uh, casualties. we had one case we have a uh soldier who was uh,

taken across the border and the spencer 5 to 6 years in, in the a uh, jail uh from us in the gaza. it was like a nature that it was a repass range. it was so just again, over a thousands kind of thing is, is really, uh, uh, business including uh, you're guessing where it was in his ready prison. and he was a repass raged amongst the all the leaders or the nation became the leaders of the subsequent attacks against this, or if dialogue. is it possible if you feel that a mazda is in a place, 80 illogically, or politically, where they're not looking for peace or reconciliation? then how do you imagine getting the hostages back, who you've been talking about? how do you imagine those families, you know, receiving their loved ones?

once again, what do you do? and it has nothing yahoo done enough to make it happen. and i think that there is between the 1st of the past few weeks, more than a few weeks to get a dialogue going and to find ways and means of re pets ranging the, the prisoners on both sides of the, of the, of the, of the divide between us and the, and some us and i think that they are not consumed so much is, is to get back the businesses that they have the loss. and the, they're not that inclined to a release the captives of the hostages that they have. and every day that goes by, more and more people may be losing their lives as the results of the, the foot dragging of us on the negotiations. we turn out proceeding. i want to ask you about the hannibal directive. it's an operational or developed by these really

military in the eighty's to prevent the capture of soldiers at any cost including endangering their lives to prevent them from being captured. but according to is really newspaper hearts for the army, a quote, dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release. you were already in massage when the directive was introduced and you eventually went on to head. the agency is this, the director that you supported? i do not know any such directive. i've never heard of such a directive before and it was all due respect to you. i a question, the sincerity of, uh, this particular item that you have on your desk. when you say you've never heard of such a direct here for now, you've heard of the hannibal direct and you're saying that you weren't given that directive. is that what you're saying? you know, i know say i don't know of the existence of such a direct. okay. um,

other people who have been in the military have talked about the directive. they've said that they have seen it employed. they said that they've seen it canceled all of these people who are discussing a handle directive. what do you make of it? you're talking about the item of which i am totally, i'm terribly sorry. i would be very happy to accommodate you, but i cannot follow this the line of your discussion with me because i am not familiar with what your thought is really air force, colonel nuff edits refer to october 7th as a quote uh mass hannibal event in reference to the controversial directive, ordering is really commanders to kill their own soldiers to prevent them from being taken captive. when i, when i hear that just as one example among others, can you understand why the public may find it implausible that you the head of them

aside? former headed them aside, has never even heard of such a directive when multiple members of the idea of multiple members of government have said that they've had the directive seen the directive challenge and directive impose the directive. can you see why that might be in plausible to people? i've ever seen any version of what you be saying just now. i'm not seeing isn't any item in the process. i know being involved by self in discussions with this guy. and i don't believe that this uh item is a uh, verified item. and i don't feel that it's possible to discuss this with you because i am ignorant as to the entire, uh, uh, uh, as this of the planes and the discussions that you have just now described. okay. i mean it's, it's entirely possible that an entire directive was happening in the military in an organization about which you had no knowledge. and i guess that's possible,

it seems again impossible, but i'll, i'll move on. another issue i'd like to touch on as a potential of a regional war. in the last few weeks, the us launched air strikes into syria and iraq, after an iranian back group claimed an attack on a us out post in jordan, a fighting between his below and israel has continued along your countries northern border. the us and the u. k. a mazda been launching, strikes against the targets in yemen and response different the attacks against international shipping. how big is the risk of a larger war in the middle east right now? i think there is a danger ladaja war and the disease. i don't want to visit, but i believe that those who would be a potential of participants in such a war, i'm not keen to allow such a war to breakouts. and when i say that i'm through is also iran, which in the past and even today is considered one of the most

important. and grandmother said the dangers and editors about us. i do not see around the anxious to enter a war at this stage in the released i don't and imagine any other of the, of the policies, including by the way the, the, is by the, the most is and that will be and attacking various, uh, uh, targets in the country, but they have not to move beyond a certain level of the war of the war. and i believe also they are not interested in increasing the propensity for a lot of breakouts. so my spirit, my feeling is my estimate is that they will not be

a major breakouts of a, a regional war in the middle east in the immediate future. 1 before you go, you originally stated that there are many people in prime minister netanyahu, whose party, who have reached the conclusion that it's very dangerous to allow him to stay in power for any long period of time. you said quote, let's imagine we, when the war and mister netanyahu will get up and say, i won the war, maybe it's truly won the war. but what will people say the day after? and my question to you is exactly that. what, what people say about prime minister benjamin netanyahu in the aftermath of all of this. well this is a measure of the, the internal politics and these red uh and uh, various people have their views of the usually obvious rather than the future of the governments of israel. i for one or one of the people who believe that the time

has come for a change and the leadership in israel. and i assume that there is a possibility that this will come about. i don't think that this will in, for us the war games come us between is rather than come out of the development because that is a measure of national, the acceptance and the present a log cabin. it's as it age members, not only of the government coalition, but also people outside the garbage and drive it eve. this of this, i think the chances of a major additional war in the middle east are not very i wish to help you. thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back next week the

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a 12 level is global food insecurity. counting the cost on outages in the it does rarely as strikes pounds alpha and southern gaza. with 1400000 palestinians of sheltering at least 63 people having killed in the wake of those attacks as well as has its military has rescued to captive townsend 1000. this is algebra live from the hot and so coming up, the u. s. president tells us ready funds to benjamin netanyahu that civilians must

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