lead sensors, a civilian medical facility, and what seems to be a target to assess the nation with detailed coverage. this is not the only school that has been targeted schools in the cause of ship are not only schools, there shelters and graveyards and phyllis journalism allegations of to, to have increased during, as well as will in garza from be things to withholding medication. yes. and the inconclusive meetings are way to deal with, with how much and fees while it comes as these read admitted to a lessening a ground defensive of the southern tip of gaza. so does diplomacy still spend a chance in this war? and why does it offer not to? this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the program. i'm hushing a bottle of these wireless whitening a ground defensive rough. uh, he might tell you, organizations have wound of a catastrophe. if it goes ahead behind the scenes, mediators are still trying to broadcast these by a deal for possible drawn defensive into a lot, but has faced the stakes of the negotiations which resumed this week. what would it take for him on sunday as well to reach an agreement as lots to discuss with august 1st, this report? well, the situation in law is rarely is intensifying its aerial bombardment, rough or something. most city in the console strip, at least one and a half 1000000 palestinians have fled that taking refuge in tents and makes shift shelter. many have been displaced, several times escaping is ready palms and following each baby forced evacuation. notice la quinta, they moved from the, on the cause we were to sleep at home when it happened, southern bombing,

the so we didn't know what was going on, the gunshots, best from street to street. we also had 5 digits and had to go up to this morning and then we will hit by missiles. we were in total shopping and we didn't know where to hide off with them. so by the end of all these rating military, designated rafa safe. so now it's threatening a ground defensive, trapped between the egyptian border and the mediterranean sea. terrified civilians have no way left to go. blooming is radio operations given c stein negotiations in cairo, and added elements of urgency. hoping for diplomatic breakthrough egyptian officials, the hosting, the guitar, the prime minister, as well as the directors of the us and is really intelligence agencies. the 1st day ended without an agreement. it's not the only attempt and will destroy the keys last month, south africa, bolt charges of genocide against israel at the international court of justice. it followed that up on tuesday with an urgent request,

asking the un top court to consider whether ground operation in vasa, the violated palestinian rights. to date this little evidence, isabel has abided by the icy g h. moving in january to take full measures possible to prevent, to plausible genocide in gaza. and even staunch is really all i seem to be changing that stance to many of the over 27000 policies killed in this conflict. having isn't civilians, children, including thousands of children and hundreds of thousands have no access to food, water, or other basic services. i'm pointing fingers at all turning on one another. how many times have you hurt the most plumbing to lead us on for a minute to a 100? was saying to many people are being killed by them by the head. this is too much on the top is not proportional as well. if you believe that too many people are being

killed, maybe you should provide less arms. you know that to prevent so many people being killed. but given benjamin netanyahu is defiance of the i, c, j, an international opinion. how likely is it that a full scale ground defensive about alpha, can be avoided? poking alger 0 for inside story, the best thing it all. gus in the, in the u. k. robert guy spin full is alexa on peace on secuity uptime university. his special expertise is these riley military in to buy house to hello. we is an independent political consultant who focuses on the middle east, north africa, and the horn of africa. and in new york city on model of man is a fellow of the middle east council and global affairs. welcome to the program brothers. how seriously this prospect of the military invasion of rough, uh,

how do you think is just more of a push by these riley's for political leverage during the tools which are on the way for the, for the i think is a deadly serious portion. israel has the intentions to carry this out and promised the net to yahoo is all you did there on the full functional him, us battalions in rafa. and now originally that were 24 at uprising him us battalions is real now i'll use it. this is all the full, all located solely in rock by surveys, row would to carry out is stated war, him, of degrading and destroying am us military and rendering it politically unable to rule the cause for after the war example feels like a grand evasion of rock but is not just inevitable but necessary. and in fact is important to note that previously these writing military late suggested the is roshan. prioritize ross of forgotten invasion because this is obviously an area of the 6 on the border with egypt. it's where most of the tunnels passed through and

how much is elaborate. smuggling operation has been based in for many, many years. but as well as the political leadership, vito died in favor of initial operation early in the north of golf. and i particularly ran goals and safety as these roles failed to achieve its goals as far as the warrants increasing, slowly, south, and rock. but is, of course, the last place on the map still and how much is control? how some of these writers have this thing though, if i hadn't made the final. uh, see for how much key made it 2 battalions. do you see the push pull it off as a turning point in the war and gaza? thank you. i have some and yes, i think we're at a major what the said moment in this conflict. not just because of the mass save humanitarian cost of any tool because the ground invasion, we shouldn't forget that throughout the war. and even in the last week, these are these continue to bombard off off. this is not an area that has been

a safe zone as they initially labeled it as thoughts when they are citizens, to move from the city and further north down to the south. but also because of course it is uh right. it sits right on the border with the egypt. it's the last it seen by the egyptians as a major breach of uh you know, that, that national security and ultimately it brings into the question of why will these 1340000 people go the know the rest of has that is effectively uninhabitable? there are no services, we're on we, we, we've had to talk assignments for months now and, and now we're at a stage where this is, this is really the, is randy government enacting what they promised in the 1st week off to the attack, salt type of 7th which is to plot to illustrate all the way it is right. the problem is understanding how has been altering the army to draw up plans. evacuated

civilians from the city towards the north end as have so it was basically saying no safe in gaza if the invasion takes place. what kind of impact do you see it? having all the city is facing of the south. i mean, don't take it from me, take it from the head of the w. h o, the head of the land ahead of under the head of all these un agencies, anybody that's active on the ground, anybody that's been there and seen what it looks like today. and what these really have done to the rest of the strip has said this isn't unfathomable catastrophe in waiting at the moment. i have so said there's nowhere else for people to go. israel has driven 1500000 p. ready or less because it was 250000 in the before the war started into their. so that's the overwhelming majority of the gaza strip. has been driven into the small sliver on the border with egypt. most of those people are

intense and shelters starving with know where to go and the kind of the war machine that is there as a mass is bearing down on them with what the i, c j has said, is genocidal intent. so, you know, despite what the other guest set about, you know, war aims targeting, how may i ask for battalions? i hang there, we, we can't lose sight that the i c j a few weeks ago said that israel has, is, is plausibly preferred, perpetrating a genocide against the pulsing and people. and if you look at it through that lens, then what they haven't seen. ready for the people of gaza is, is as much military as it is a psychological to break the, the will of the people that are hanging on for dear life that have a mass there that are starving. and that israel has, has demonstrated through which we. ready is indeed its intention is to put push them into the sign i credential robots with scenes on roll on 4 phases, really land plus bombardment or the northern part of, of,

of guys. and then these wiley's move towards hind eunice. and each time that was saying, basically, the reason why they're doing this is to degrade the minutes with capabilities of how my son's in light, how much admitted to present and but also the looking ahead to what happens next. now when it comes to it off, i do see how would you see the scope of the invasion if it happens, then what kinds of weaponry do things these bodies be be using? i suspect will see significant numbers of boots on the ground at now. israel has encouraged significant military casualties in this campaign, but it is actually those policies and the numbers all lower than the initial, all the estimates suggested now and less that just short of $600.00 is ready. the military personnel had been killed since october the 7th, but still a majority of those were killed october. the 7th. so 4 months of fighting has been less, is ready to cash these than on that one day. i think these ready military were very keen to get in that for the problem. he has some the other guests of alluded to

israel house based on folding humanitarian crises on his own home on his homes. i'm that crisis is also an operational issue here because we have 1500000 civilians crammed into this very small territory that used to be inhabited by around 250 people. so the potential for civilian casualties is even high as it has been at the top of its funds. it's military company and you have an acute problem of civilian casualties. israel also has more of an acute need to avoid civilian casualties. on the other hand, because international pressure and combination is increasing, the bi noticed ration, making it increasingly clear that is losing patients with as well. and it was a cx 5 and it was at the escalations hostilities as soon as possible. so is why is it a race that gains time to achieve its very, very lofty goals? didn't really correspond to a limited incursion at what time is running out for it to do so. but yeah, when you look up the situation on the ground, you see a total of defense reality. i have saw 1400000 people shot to him in tons without

access to food, water and batteries in the united nations. and he might tell you the fast chief mountain griffith said that the miniature prices could lead to a slaughter nga. you have these bodies of saying the elements of the need to go that because they say that's the only way for them to crush. how about these 2 things that the international community can have some sort of leverage to some of these writers from looking forward to i mean just says also to comments on the, on the previous intervention, answer your question. the question is, do they have leverage is very obvious. yes. they do come. they have leverage to the main question because they haven't even used it. they haven't attempted to. the un has made its please, the security council has had resolutions table, but the united states has to be towed united states that the largest military of supply and both aid and on sales to as well. no leverage has yet been used by the

international community. the biggest powers, namely by the united states to try and prevent the so we saw the talking around in circles because we get these double speak statements from the white house, from, from different podiums in washington telling us that they're incredibly concerned. and they've explained these consent at no points in this, in this campaign. over the last 5 months, have the united states move to actually have it for all triple to a number of incidents and actions that seem to full fall out of the um, bit of the rules of engagements in conflict. let alone the intense bombardment, let alone the attacking of civilian infrastructure, humanitarian infrastructure, like hospitals and other places. so we're actually more to stage of talking about austin ourselves. will the united states use this leverage all indications to this point, even with such a slow to as molten griffith very well points up and dropped off. blooming doesn't

appear that it will use as leverage. so we have to move to expect, but that will be no significant push 5 against these riley's moving forward on this invasion. so the ha, i'm on the south african lawyers when they put together or the, the, the, the, the procedure to was the for the i c j. they were hoping to see the 3rd parties, particular states that provide substance submitted to a financial assistance to is way to be held accountable. in the case of something similar to what happens in i was, it always goes on, particularly if the invasion of fluffy, that takes place. is this something that could further resonate among the judges of the ice? a g knowing that the south africans, they have us officially the ice age. i to consider what that a full scale invasion of i would by day the into the voting by the court itself issued yes, i think, i think, you know, what's, what's transpired over the past few weeks since their initial ruling definitely comes into play when the south africans have gone back, are going back to the i c,

j to ask for, for, for the rulings further injunctions because of the situation being so urgent with what's happening on the portal. so i think they have to take that into consideration. certainly we all hope that israel's enablers over the past 4 months, would have gotten the message from the i, c j and, and put pressure on israel to, to halt it's been barred, meant into at least take seriously the 6 orders of the i, c, j in terms of protecting a civilians, unfortunately that has not happened. i totally agree with have. so in terms of her analysis on all of this, but we have to take on the bind administrations, hand ringing when it comes to nothing. yahoo with the sense of disingenuousness. because in spite of the inside of the rhetoric, the u. s. has continued to enable and every in every way, i mean, just 2 days ago, the us senate passed, you know, if 14000000000 dollar aid package to israel now. so it needs to go through the house, but that should tell you a lot. in spite of the ruling of genocide,

this is where we are. rather when you look at a post october the 7th through then you don't get a sense of these, right? it really have a sense of clarity about how to move forward me to tom. really oh, politically. because people are wondering, why would these riley's decide now to go for an offensive in rough walk when everything got it is a stake. the typically the talks which are behind closed doors to try to secure a political dean that would pay the way for these riley captive to be reduced. yeah, i think what we're seeing here is a very delicate balancing act. boy, that's in yahoo because and he does have, i want to challenge this unit. there is mega pressure from the bottom inspection. i think i was extremely one sided interpretation that is pressure from the bite of ministration. it is a modem at large, the behind closed door, the bottom. myspace has tried to shape this war. it is getting increasingly frustrated. and he's rel, i'm

a power of non compliance in what it wants to achieve and what it's asking for from these raiders. but it is pressuring these res, behind close door, over time, that may become increasingly public. so that to me, yeah, i thought pressure on the one hand to de escalate or agreed to a ceasefire, or at least to tell us how this ends. but what, but yeah, but you know, rather than it is the coalition within israel, and that's and you know, who is dependent on a fall right cohen as you, who said, we will talk to the government if there is a deal to at 3 the hostages, the ends of the seas funded doesn't add to the mazda store. this isn't matching his best interest to remain. i'm bidding us for as long as possible. and as a result, we see israel a basic next spot. and he gets campaign because the military is not getting a clear enough and basically direction of the most and the political rational and subordinate the, you know, uh, rubbers of the general consensus who this, both of the, well, the absolutely don't believe that there is any pushed by the international

community, all of them that it goes to put an end to the war in gaza, or for any leverage on the is right is because but said this aside and look at the scope of the massive destruction and the loss of life in gaza. then you get a sense that no one is doing anything to try to help the policy is half. so will this have any kind of impact on the talks on the way to come up with a political agreement? i mean, it's also actually quite interesting and how they're running concurrent. so all of this language coming out to be is randy will cabinet and from the prime minister that focused on and off off. and i, you know, we, we continue to be in the cycle where we get a flurry of diplomacy from us officials to come to the region. and this sort of, you know, initially it took some proposal that has been amended and shaped into something that it is hoped that come be some meeting in the middle between is relevant and how come us at the same time, i would just sort of, um you know why them is scope

a little bit if we're talking about a political agreement, we kind of look at how does that in a vacuum. what has happened in the west bank since october 7th, thousands of palestinians have been arrested. hundreds have been killed just since up to the 7th, let alone pre october, 7th in the bottom. and since you in disposition and you know, an increase of civilian militia at the hands of the national security minister this government and is ralph has a very clear co current empower now policy. it is looking to implement under the guise of this war. and the fact that under the guise of this one apartment and the husband that seeks to root out from us and the 2 adults mutually exclusive of one another and then not working separately of one another that very much in terms of and i agree that you know mentioned y'all who was completely dependent on this far right coalition. but in the same sense this far right coalition is dependent on the current circumstances of this war to continue to conduct its behavior and its

activities across the entirety of the occupied territories. so even if we want to look at and a hostage agreement, and sometimes the spot in, in the heads up with a hostage present, a swell in the last one that we saw more is kind of sinews, were arrested, the were released. so the entire team of the tired trees and seems to be taken into account, which is not being done on the part of any of the actors around the table speed in cairo, in paris, or at any point that they've mentioned recent weeks of my would it be possible for the autonomy is the jeep shows of the american to now to some of the differences between how much and is why this is why this done is why it says that they would continue even with a deal. they would continue the fight until they cross have mass mass on the other hand is saying they're not going to go ahead with any of them unless there is strong government to you. of a permanent seized by and these right is putting out entirely from guys that would be possible for the mediators to not assemble those differences. unfortunately,

i don't see them coming together. maybe narrow a bit, but ultimately i think these 2 sides are too far apart. israel, i think is intent on the, you know, in pursuing this campaign to the end and nothing else has made that clear total victory. what that means is a bit more obscure. some people are reading into it the, the elimination of how math is military capabilities. others are reading it to something that you know far more sweeping a guess about sending people. and gosh, i mean towards the latter, but i don't think that nothing, you know, has any intention of stopping. i don't think there is even a prioritization of the hostages. that remain there, if so, is or would not be carpet bombing of the gaza strip. you know, it's already killed the $31.00 of its own people, including 3 that were shot dead waving white flags trying to escape. and so i don't think there's, you know, any, any other interest here besides pushing all the way to the end and, you know, bringing the, the full weight of that military machine down on the pallets and, and people that are there in the gaza strip of us the side of the,

if it was going to be any evasion of rough or has going to be boots on the ground. now if you look at the of the geography on the landscape, we're talking about the area of the board as age of. do you see these values moving forward, if this thoughts, pounding, those of areas is going to be closer to the minutes of both of the egyptians? what the potential massive spin over yeah, this has as you say, potential folk as legion of consequences is something that is this more is looking less and less limited to the cause of straight. you know, we've had mention of what's happening in the west bank. that's the unfolding situation on the 11 and border and this conflict now responding over to the agent, which is the cc machines was nightmare and they have warned as well as any, any such spell it as a would basically operate the peace treaty between both countries. i'm what c c dave is trying to do is to try to induce a stronger response and president by the gypsies. we'll be talking to the americans and say, no, we need you to stop these, right? he's going into rafa or at least minimizing that presence because we kind of have

this further, but we kind of anything looks like we are all complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the gaza strip or the fullest migration of golf and from the southern goals into a saw and i put into because best studies, these people have nowhere else to go. israel. what that number to knowles at the goal of the city to the end which has been essentially reduced to rubble? i didn't. well, i mean, well let them come over the border. so these 1500000 displays people on that add more desperately have more destitute than have. but at the same time that really, you know, clear exit strategy that for these people. and that is where the bottom ministration on egypt should stay at the will. we pressuring is ralph. okay, try and come to the conclusion that how so should we take they've just seriously with the rules that if they offensive takes place, that could you put dies the decades old history to between these violent egypt and i would love to confidently say that yes, you could my personal feeling is but now is the time to suspend the company of

a treaty? i think that it is the only thing that may consequentially put some distance between the us administration and these ratings and, and you and have the us, you to significant leverage to ensure that the homepage doesn't go ahead. sadly, i, this regime is incredibly a, generally a bunch of us to conflict. it does not want to a red skin. and i think in part the messaging over the last 5 months from the united states, even as, as late as 2 days ago when president biden insinuated the presidency. see, despite the mix up of the countries, the presidency, c, have tech support are closed for a few minutes. are in a, we know at the time that that was an issue with these rand, he's not wishing to have 8 in. and once it does need people out said they don't have confidence at this point, i would argue that if they what the presence of suspend the treaty, that the united states would actually take that seriously. having said that, the judge says rules and not a very, very um, sort of logic to major need

a policy decisions, especially under this leadership. and i don't see the cc regime following through as much as i do believe it is the right policy. wanted somebody to give this point all my way. if you look of the, of the latest diplomatic bush, it seems to be pretty much centered on this deal. but you look at the both the big . so you've got a sense that we've moved beyond the phase of a deal and we're looking for new security arrangements. so was always great. who's going to take over, guys that is going to be a new policy and leadership policy, you know, thought it to what kind of, what do you have is this, is this a legitimate thing to happen now, or do you think this is something about the policy or themselves would ultimately have to decide in the future. well, certainly the palestinians will have to decide and agree because nothing will have any kind of legitimacy among the people without their consent. but i think,

you know, what's, what's taking place so far in terms of discussions has largely come out of the united states to find a way for. ready word, they are kind of grasping at straws here, bring the pulsing and authority back. something to that, that in fact have the gulf states that use their vast oil wealth to rebuild. but when it comes to the perspective of those states that are up states about states, they don't want to be roped into a project of, of rebuilding without some kind of passed away to a permanent piece. because then in the end then they are ripped into kind of the same trap that the pulsing and authority has in the west bank in which they are doing israel's bidding, their policing and governing on behalf of israel. while israel continues to colonize the west bank, you know, judy, eyes, jerusalem, and all these kind of things without doing any serious steps for peace. ok, so i think the goss, it's very wary of being complicit in what is real has done and fitting the bill for israel's mass grow. this guy's been fold. how so? how loudly. although i find i really appreciate it. you're inside looking forward

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