is doing off, he is have not recognized the found the find the thought of $1000.00. it's bob that it is engaging with various partners of the united nations in on development of one son and various other countries, including trying to rush off like fun and even the united states. but that issue of recognition remains the issue of sanctions. the means that those, it lists that don sullivan from capital domains and the bigger issue of, of one of the funds funds that are being held by the united states is also a key hurdle. so yes, the situation is dia, nearly a 3rd of this country's population needs, humanitarian assistance. united nations is not getting enough money to help the people, and they've done this done. but the time the bond are not there on the tables and all of the stakeholders, the don't is the various and use of that. and they can give you discussing things which are going to be far from being implemented on the ground. because the people who are in charge on a part of the thoughts, all right, the summit and we mentioned the millions of people who are in need of humanitarian

assistance. so tell us, you know what you're saying, and what's at stake for people the way you are when it is a different to do what it was a few years ago where there is a relative common security disputes of cabins, every clean the new roads that are being built and there has been actively a lot less corruption, but that is the view from the urban centers, a mini van and that you speak to will tell you about the impression that they're facing about the vice of the agency about i've been going about the business and media needing a me and guardian of my bills rights to education and the basics, the basics of god's being able to feed themselves and their families. because this country has been in the cycle of poverty and has been living off of an economy. we just rely, entered on international aid, which is completely right up since the found the bottom take over. so it is very difficult and the circumstances is obviously that as an influx of refugees from neighboring countries has been so on and on. it's a dire humanitarian situation. it is a very tough problem for the,

for the outcomes to deal with it themselves. and the international community they say has more or less abundance of selma. thank you for that, that as a sama been javan live in couple. the police in the hague of used to get us to disperse, arrival ever try and protest as so confrontations between ever try and governments of pushes and opponents outside the cities offer house. the protest has tried to break into the building, smashing its windows. they also set several vehicles on file. well that set for me, elizabeth problem. you can always find more information on one of the stores. we'll cover an on our website and i'll just say are on dot com to stay with us. the bottom line is coming up next. that will be followed by the news hour. thank you for watching the they fled from the world's most secretive states. now young north koreans are

finding statement, fortune, celebrity influences, but to shining a light on the home of kings and bring dang, jeff. one on one east meets north. korea's influence is coming out new lives online . despite the risk on al jazeera. hi, i'm steve clements. i have a question, why is israel and most of the west targeting the only you an agency that serves millions of palestinians. let's get to the bottom line. the one day after the winning court ruled, but it's possible that israel is carrying out a genocide in gaza. western countries did something strange. they didn't distance themselves from israel instead. and the move led by the united states. more than 16 nations been started. this suspend funding to unwrap that organization. the united nations relief and works agency was created in 1949 and quickly became one of the u . n's. biggest programs serving about 6000000 refugees,

descendants of the palestinians who fled or were forced out of their homes by the creation of israel in 1948. israel now accuses 12 individuals have unrestricted 1000 employees in the gaza strip of taking part in the surprise attack on israel last october. the u. n says it will investigate and publish its findings over the next few weeks. but you in officials warn the crippling and now in the midst of a humanitarian crisis and gaza is to put even more lives at risk in a place where a 100000 palestinians have already been killed or maimed by israel. and almost 2000000 are in temporary shelters with no place left to go. so what's happening to the millions of people not only in gaza, but throughout the region who depend every day on and risk services to survive. and what about politics at play? today we're talking with layla hello, a former senior policy advisor to enroll and legal advisor to the palestinian authorities, negotiations department and, and are fine. who teaches post colonial studies at the university college london, and is author of refuge and resistance palestinians,

and the international refugee system. it's great to have you both on today. thank you for joining us. the somber subject, but i want to start off listening to matthew miller, a state department spokesman, and get your reaction. so assessing and matthew, so i'm not going to respond to the commons uh by individual members of the connected. but i will say that under a has done and continues to do in valuable work to address the monitoring situation in gaza at great personal risk on romance members. i believe it's over a 100 unrest. staff members have been killed doing this live saving work. and we continue to not only support it, but we continue to commend them for the really heroic efforts that they make off in time while making the greatest sacrifice. so they love that comment by matthew miller was made about a month ago. 9 days after that, united states and many other nations said they were going to suspend funding for unreal. tell us why and tell us what the implications are as well. so as

many people know that is there is riley's, and the fisher general of honor has the regular meeting and which is really a official present of a set of claim saying that 12 staff members had been involved in the october 7 attacks. and at that point, the fisher general laza really came out and made a statement that he would be firing all um 9 employees that were, that he could account for um, and this uh, and created um a domino effect whereby the us and other major donors of the west donors to honor of said that they will be suspending aid because of this claim that a association between these 12 staff members and how

most activity you're in. let me ask you the, the you in a comp you in relief and works agency for palestinians was created in 1949 even though there was an un high commissioner for refugees. and then just sort of interested in why this organization was created when the united nations had another agency, the un high commissioner for refugees. i'm already in place a show. well, best up the, it's important to note that the u. n. h. the out of high commissioner for refugees was no actually in existence when and where was created. so in redwood created, as you said, at the end of 1949 unix, the i did not come into being until the following year. so that's the best thing to keep in mind. the other thing to be aware of is when you and hcr was created, it has a restricted mandate much more restricted than it has now been enabled its work to only be applied few european refugees. so this idea of creating specific you an

agent, these are particular groups of refugees but very much the know at the time that was in raffle. no. actually the palestinian refugees of palestine, refugees, refugees from palestine which until 1952 included also providing services to jewish refugees and restore the doing that in 1952 at the request to be through the government. there was internet, there was u. n h the at which time like, you know, used to and then in the 1950s we also had u. n. k r i, which was created for created refugee. so that was the norm at the time. it wasn't until 1967 that you in a sea of monday with universalize and then you are essentially them withdraw. i think that's the 1st thing that's really important to keep in mind here because that often gets lost and it's all that's been noise around this issue. the other thing to keep in mind is that inner has a much more restricted monday to this day. then you and actually i have not only and who is that through the, in the kind of work it does, it is mandated solely to provide relief services to palestine. refugees in the 5

deals where it was, as i called you. and it should be out by contrast is also mandated to dispute. durable solution for, for general position, 2 cases of displacement and to provide protection for the refugee is that it works with. so how does the policy, i'm refugees, are actually in some way or my disadvantage because the agency that says them as a much more limit mandate than the age of the defense pulled out the refugee group . i don't want to spend too much time on it, but i found an important distinction that on wrote, wasn't a way never designed to necessarily. we turn people back to their homelands or to resolve those issues. is that correct? that is correct. yeah. you and h d a does have this purpose to fit you in solution on it for faster solution over time. that'd be dead. internet does not have that purpose and it's never been built and said with that date. well it, i, i want to try to get it again the scale of this. so providing schools, hospitals,

medical and food nutrition, kind of the broad social support within guys itself. they're 13000 employees of and rough. the broader when you look at the west bank, you look at other displays populations in syria and jordan and, and so the footprint of this organization, one is a huge employer. but to what happens, we're talking about 12 individuals and i, you know, the thing that comes to mind is, every big institution may have bad x. what are your own thoughts about holding an institution liable just for the activities of a very small number of people? well, it's absolutely absurd in given the, the circumstances to say that an organization that is so vital to a delivery as it is in gaza is unable to function or that states that are giving the voluntary contributions to support under those services are going to withhold those funds because less than one percent of the south

has been accused without a significant evidence. there are numerous outlets have reviewed the dasa, the summary that ca, that israel has released. it does not include any evidence of of what they are claiming. and so given that there is no evidence given that they're such a small percentage of the $13000.00 a staff that, that are vital to a delivery it, it becomes extremely out of content x. and lets complicit with a and a, a genocide agenda. so there, there's several of things going on right now. one of which is that israel is, you know, rhetorically and tactically, using this,

this claim of a and associates from us and honora, to mobilize american public opinion to mobilize the congress a and an anti palestinian bias. right, the word terrorism is so provocative and can be quite leverage with us congress and other and, and, and the public. but then israel and released this summary dosa with this. these claims that staff members were involved and october 7th. on the day that the icj, a opinion rendered, a a finding of plausible genocide and called on israel to take measures to stop that genocide. so israel's also obstructing and of scaring it's its responsibility. and we've seen that in what i would call it a love of her for the train vide,

and then israel and congress at this point, that they are willing to work with israel. and it's project of ethnic cleansing and eliminating how this finance and gaza and just john pays well, i think it because later made a really important point about the i c. j rolling. i think it was lagging because you asked about the western state role in that. so the icj, i also rules that 3rd party states had a role and a responsibility to ensure that essentially military in a to get into gaza. there was also a possibility that in now withdrawing, essential funding from en route. those states may actually be in breach of that ruling. so go a little bit deeper and because the international court of justice when it came did not find is real guilty of genocide said there may be reasons possible reasons to think that this may be underway. israel is,

is expected and required to respond to those. what's interesting to me is i'm on aware of any countries that distance were suspended their relations with israel after that i c. j funding. but literally, on the, on the day after you know, nearly 2 dozen countries, i think we've got, we went from 9 countries and 16 countries. and now i think we're up to 20 countries right now that are at least temporarily suspending funds to enroll. and so layla just said, maybe this is a distraction tactic, but the systemic nature of the size, the biggest vendors of germany, the united states, the you are all in the suspension line. what do you think is going on there? well, i think it's worth keeping in mind that this has not come out of nowhere. there is a long running and that has been a long run campaign against en route, which pre date, the type of the 7th which predicts the current will by yes, i mean nothing you know, bad cold. so in order to be disbanded, i believe in 2017

e called for again in 2018. at that same year 2018 we had the trump administration, a close alliance with nothing yahoo! pulling all of its funding to enroll, there's been a long running theme, all that basically mary and her up trying to present it as some kind of a problem on the ground, often trying to conflate and or is what with her mouth. and the, the latest allegation is already best understood in that longer time to contact some on the is real side. some do not differentiate between palestinians citizens, citizens of gaza and from us. but we sort of look at that and you kind of look at the, you know, the arrangements here, you know, event changes the game about how you look at one, right? if one right is empowering and supporting all of these folks that you look broadly as an enemy is realize, had enrolled on it's in, it's in its target list for

a long time. but what does it think would be replaced? i mean, i think it raises the fundamental question, if not under a then what? well, let me just say one thing very quickly is dave, which is the palestinians are not citizens of gaza. gaza is a very small strip of territory and it is not recognized as a state. it is effectively occupied. their point is real and 80 percent 70 to 80 percent of posts. and he's living in gaza or refugees, of who had lived inside israel, including places quite close. i appreciate that distinction because i look at them as having rights and you know, having deserving a state. i'm showing my own bias in this situation, but thank you for raising that. right. and so then the larger point is that what, what, what the irony of israel's desire to get rid of of on or is that referring to what and mentioned the,

the you posted in refugees are treated as an exception and they're not covered by the you and hcr, which is empowered to move politically for durable solutions, including the right of return for palestinian refugees in the event that unreal stops operating. and so should israel proceed with this plan to try to you know, get it, move to a situation where a palestinian refugees and gaza are not covered by an rows aid. we would be able to call on the you and hcr to stuff up and essentially ask israel to allow them to return. so there is an irony in, in this, in addition, israel as an occupying force would be legally responsible to care for the population. and so the quick pro, quote in the west has always been, we will funding this agency despite it's 0 taishan to the israelis because we are

not going to move on as israel to address the rights of the refugees. but we will fund this aid mechanism in order to keep the status quote and help manage the conflict. so, you know, israel sees an opportunity of disruption at this moment to try to leverage of bias a and a accuracy of the agency, but of its own costs. you can just imagine a horrible escalation of the situation this point. and i'm saying if that is the, the a possibility, a nightmare that we may be walking towards, why aren't more people careful about the under a dimension of this? i think that's a very good question. and many common cases alongside palestinians in from god i have been raising the alarm for months now about the mounting evidence that the

israeli government is the king that you use. it will as a way to force the be display, possibly millions of palestinians from god that we have, as i said, you know, mounting evidence that that is the plan. that was a neat a document from these ready for a ministry that can be talked about this. and that have been suggestions coming from various members of the is really they that cause i should be or i'm quite emptied of its inhabitants. and also being concerned that what being dressed up in framed a few minutes hurrying evaluation would really be a way to facilitate this post displacement. but i'm the, the u. n. a leadership themselves actually said earlier this week that they would not be part of a because really moves to evacuate rafa, which was which was partly coming in the context of these writing can then that that might be on the card. and are there areas that been read needs the reform

where it's under performing? you both know the institution? well, mean on the other side, those that will be critical to ventura, but are there other areas where the institution is performing poorly? they would also, in gender doubt among its donors is the problems that i've just really, really reflection on the underline. stay yeah, of the international community. more than 75 years now. to grab the palestinian refugees. that right of return and to recognize that right to national self determination. so when there is this focus on en route and is that, can it disregard that for the framework for them, which is operating en, route, has now for a very long time, the operating with serious deficit it is significantly over stretched, but unfortunately, the, you know, so for the international community in reality, that's what we're talking about. there is, is really the west has for whatever reason, refused to recognize what that indicates about the underlying on inability to

pasadena possession. and i think that chosen to make out, but it's the problem that exists with the agency itself. layla the funding mechanisms have ventura seem very tied in to those powers that were big in significant building united nations. it's activities in the late 19 forties, but eric gulf states which are now very rich themselves, are not a major part of the and rough funding scheme. why is that? because they, because as precisely usa, because it is the, the, the british, the americans because of the, the, the germans, the europeans that are responsible for the situation of essentially handing off mandate palestine to the creation of a jewish state on a palestinian territory. so there is a longstanding sense of responsibility and to tie in to unrra

a. structurally, they sit on the advisory council and commission of honor. they have ongoing mechanisms of review and monitoring and requests for what i was doing and the gulf states while rich are not in the practice of stuffing up and helping palestinians in general. but also they are not they want that's interesting. you just said something. i never thought about you're saying that at the founding of this, it was essentially a deal created around the displacement of people in the creation of these real estate, displace palestinians resolving and responding to those. that itself may be a reason why other arab states in the region are not being more supportive. but i guess my question to you then would be, why aren't the state standing up and creating competitive structures? we're doing much more than they're doing that doesn't necessarily validate that founding at why, why should they,

i guess is what my my question would be, i ultimately these are, you know, the house and refugees are refugees because they are not allowed to go home. their property was exposed, created. they've that, you know, the borders are close to them by israel because they are not jewish. so they want to go home on like many other refugees who are seeking a protection and wanting to stay in other countries for protective purposes. and so the question becomes really, why won't israel allow the refugees to come back? and why is it that we have to have an ongoing agency that acts as of you know, of state service for state laws, refugees who are seeking to return to their original homes. many of which are still standing or a property which is still

a or land that is still vacant. so i think the question becomes really, why is an israel stuffing up to its responsibilities? and let me give you the last word in this and, and i guess my use, oh, i'm a realist, i'm, i'm not an idealist. i don't see things as they are not as we, you know, sort of want them to be. but when i look at an equilibrium between israel's interest and eventual palestinian state for palestinian entities interest, i look at the are region broadly. you look at the us and europe. i guess you're an expert on just place people sitting on how to support. do you see any pathway to a stable and enduring and just alternative then the chaos we're seeing evolved today, and i just love to get you to quickly sketch out what you see as an alternative other than what we're seeing evolved today, which is chaos and a lot of horror actually to well we need to keep in mind that the, what the palestinian people have been asking for for 75 years and have been

struggling for for 75 years is simply the realization of their rights as they stand within the framework of international law, these include, you know, most permanently in this context the right of return. so when we're talking about the possibility of wasteful order, new ideas, it's worth keeping in mind. we have an existing framework. the palestinian people have very consistent, meet the 75, yes. demanded that their rights under that frame, what they recognized and be implemented. and that is really what we need to come back to. rather than going to fight down the rabbit holes of acting as though in right is itself the problem and not a product that the biggest structural problem. well fascinating, an important discussion. i want to thank human rights lawyer, layla law and university college london lecturer and you're fine. thank you both for being with us today and your candid views on this. thank you so much i. so what's the bottom line? remember george floyd's dying words. i can't breathe well without interrupt. palestine is being suffocated, buried alive in front of

a saw where they are bad eggs and run who have joined him off and participated in the october 7th attack. maybe so were there agents in the fbi i in the c, i a who worked for russia and china and resulted in the deaths of many americans and other agents cooperating with us? yes, huge institutions with tens of thousands of employees have all sorts of folks in them that doesn't discredit the entire institution. particularly one is important as on this new jerk rejection of innocent palestinians during their nightmare that they did not create is something none of us should be complacent about. and let me add another dimension. if civil society completely collapses in gaza, if rafa is attacked where the population has swollen from 300000 people to one and a half 1000000 as israel's work lines on. how about if people start trying to escape by any means necessary? can the surrounding arab countries avoid escalation? the countries that are joining israel to undermine and run our steering into the abyss. and it's staring back. and that's the bottom line.

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a lifeline to many invest fixing volunteers and say they'll continue to do what they can to help those left to believable by the conflict. discussing the defining issues of our time and we are the subject of a i, we are not the users of a i going beyond the artificial intelligence hyphen big tech propaganda to explore how to build the sites. an ethical ai though is racial bias is getting worse. you've got more of those in power. are the ones with the resources to decide where it's used? how do we change this paradigm? studio b, b a r series on a jersey to the markets aren't as busy as normal. the single largest employee in palestine is the public opinion. thorazine or p a. the palestinian authority remains the key economic drive of the palestinians, employing a 143000 people. the p a is currently paying an average between 60 and 75

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