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hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian said. a good campus, respected world wide and loving it puts ins, most vocal critic despite being locked up for years in a prison cell. that's the voice of defend was silenced as russia announced the death of alexi and of i'll need the country's highest profile position. lita was 47 will lead us up in quick to blame, puts in for getting rid of yet another russian who dare to challenge and the crime . and this describing that reaction as unacceptable and rabbit russians will get to choose when the person is re elected for 5th of next month. the votes already widely viewed as a full going conclusion, given the lack of opposition, voices allowed to oppose his long rule. so who might ever replace and what does, but lack of free speech mean for future opposition? voices in russia, and how will russians remember alexis of all the lower con, begins, are coverage. this is the last time alexi devonte was seen live in public by a video link from his present cell, the russian optic russian presidents,

document pollutants. most of the cool, quick look good, but up beat office, spending 3 years of a 19 year sentence. and once he said, what politically motivated charges ever, he predicted that his descent would lead to his demise? no, i didn't get it just though you're not allowed to give up. if they kill me, it means that we are incredibly strong. the carrots magic and the corruption come pay the rose to providence during protest against polluted in 2011. in 2013, the body runs in the most go upon the presidential campaign in 2016 that ended when he was convicted of fraud. in 2020, he felt ill. the flight was evacuated to germany, where he spent 2 weeks in a coma lab test said he'd been poisoned by the nerve agent, novick chalk developed by russia's military. the kremlin denied responsibility. he

recovered him flu. hello. even though early 2021 to be immediately arrested violating his perot. and it was a 100 percent on medical pro pretty just shot now for the to. so i knew your honestly and i was just wondering if she was able to provide smotts. it's sort of a sense of humor, the test on that, i'm quite good that she did not speak about his family. my condo as of to microsoft is from it. but now if she is what i get not political cigarettes divine these debt was announced as well. they just met the munich security conference in germany. russia wasn't invited, but his wife judy of was a, gave a composed respond. effectual piece of i shouldn't probably solve just about, i want to quote on the international community. all the people in this room who lives in the world to unite together and defeat this evil defeat the horrific regime that is now in russia. well,

lead is what quick to play booted pressure authorities are going to tell their own story, make no mistake. make no mistake, who is responsible for and of all and his desk putting is responsible to develop these death follows the killing of all the uprooting critics alex on to let the young co accuse putin of putting a musket apartment building as an excuse to fill up a chechen boil in 1999, the full, the russian spy was killed in london in 2006 off to drinking radioactive t portion to night. and the link a delta of his critics pull the prime minister boys nets of who joined opposition. protests was shot dead in moscow in 2015 and full of pollutants like get a precaution, criticized the always trustee of the war and ukraine. he was killed to the plane crash last august, weeks of the leading. what, putting cold on mutiny. and so the russia put in his running for re election next

month. a change of rules based 71 year old could stay in power until 2036. with nevada, these death questions will be raise of what the pretend will ever be challenged. although it's not clear how the valley died at the age of $47.00. this, this will doubt that all the opposition figures will fear a symbol of fate. laura, on the inside story out to 0. the alright, let's bring it now. i guess from moscow, which we did by letting me have something called, who was an associate professor of international relations at the high school of economics university from london with joined by samuel romani and associate fellow at the royal united services institute. that's defense and security. think time kind of joining us from study as capital. that'll great is piece a nicotine, a russian pro democracy x best employer will welcome to old gentleman peter. let's start with you, your, your thoughts on the death of alexi,

the vanity of what it means for russia's pro democracy movement. where does it go from here? of this, this is a, this is a writer trying to do for, for roches. eventually, for many of the people who knew a lot and supported and it said nevada they, we had a bad companion strongly here in belgrade yesterday where people came with flowers and the candles and houses and uh, and went. and uh, it was really as though we lost uh a deer for some uh, where does it go from here? um, it depends on whether we as pro democracy russians, both factors is usually people ordinary people are, are going to follow what i look say. said to us, when he was asked, what we should do if he gets killed, he said,

don't be law. if this happens, this means that there a week. and we have to just work harder and best louder. if we do that, um we will, when you want to receive them from, is great. if we don't, you will have to give them his wife and they send me the romani, your thoughts on the death of alexi, the boundary of what it means for the future. of democracy in russia as well. i mean, it's obviously one of the final blow. so whatever is left to democracy inside russia, because novalis that, that did not occur in a vacuum even before the russians will scale. invasion of ukraine began in february 2022. so society organizations were patients to be a crack down human rights groups like memorial were shut down. and since the innovation seeing environment kind of looks at me to similar fate returning to russia having 25 years in prison,

lea ashan also being brought down upon and other dissidence. so this is a major blow to democracy inside russia and also represent cyber who has brought a strategy. i'm pressing down to the 2 phases of national as opposition, the liberal nationalist, anti corruption campaign in the valley, and also the altar nationalist vision, ivan virginia, progression. and now i think that is relatively, i'm challenged heading into these elections. i mean, is, is russian. i want to tell it to reinstate or my few states. well i think it's certainly been about being saved for quite a long time when you see the assassinations of people are gods and you live in, yank out 2006. describe my voice in ex boss them. so this is a state that clearly does not have much respect for the rule of law when it comes to you who you know some of this or i guess i just use liter m's that could europe operate. but now i think it's not just the matthew states also dietary. and what i think that after the elections, we will see moves i, the construction of a $100000.00 new soldiers into the russian military occur most likely with that

protest and with that backlash and further movement towards the world economy. ok, let's bring in a lot about russia is now not just a matthew state, but have to tell it terry and state. what do you make of that and what's your take on the death of alexi and of only oh, thank you. well, thank you very much. for having you and your show festival, let me disagree with the previous speaker with central, because i think of russia is looking to southern states. if you just compare the history, this is look like spelling, the cetera we have for we have democracy. we have democratic institutions to be out of the russian. secondly, what my daughter to fill out for the death of all way. you know, i must say that i met can briefly, exactly 4 years ago when i was getting an interview, a full fledged interview for us. and then you went to the west to the company. that's a cnn. i wasn't so much as breakfast pick. i wasn't so much impressed the backups

you were saying, but i saw in his office because the interview took place in his office only of a bit. okay. this is uh uh, from the full sizing of fighting corruption. i saw a lot of young people who were very much as disaster and i thought to myself, i thought, but okay, probably this guy is a professional politician. and the place he has a goal, a goal to what he's trying. so yeah, if to just for the talking about is that i think i can agree with the all the speakers that this is really a tragedy lead a trailer to live for elliptical fox in russia. this is a tragedy, personal journey, like it's family for the children as probably all the future which are still unclear. yeah. okay. well, we'll throw this back to samuel in just about that but, but, but maybe it was, was alexis of eileen viewed differently. and you think that in russia to the way that he was viewed in the west or uh yes, yes, i think so. actually what, what, what they, what they there,

what i heard in his interview. he was uh, proposing the program which i really like to do from the, from the actual, uh very well because, you know, there were some slogans as a, as a is i think. and at the same time, he was suggesting some specific. gotcha. let me say one thing. i think i think that a russian society, especially ordinary people, they are not get to use steel to any drastic changes at all the uh, the, the whole palm like right now when she died is thinking about how to move this you the keys own when well, believe well being that in just to see that they have to box and then address the got sounds like a dissent and a dissenting brush. and at the same time, i must say that to my mind as a historian, the any attempt to descend in russian history was never very much successful if he

would take the categories and then go to sauls in need some and all that. all the people who went into search and saw it in this sense. i think that i was saying that the future was unclear because i don't know who actually will be doing watch in the future because the so called pro democracy groups. uh uh, they call themselves well democracy. uh, anyway, but uh, this is a long story. uh, to uh, suggest something tangible for reference, the site, somebody else you want to come back on that wasn't the volunteer. and what he represented someone who truly bought the president puts into the extent that he would want instead secretary of state anthony blinking. so the fruits and how to fix ation on see of one man to on the school the week. lesson ross at the heart of the system the pollution has created up. is he right? what danger did the valley post a pollutant?

the one, the only definitely was one of the most tenacious. the one of the most dedicated activists in terms of exposing the correction to strand is library put in the system as well as some of the access. does that mean him? he was certainly important and inspiring the demonstrations of the f, like real fraud and 25 black man square, which some of the last major demonstrations. he also was helpful in inspiring demonstrations against students, domestic agenda and not be implemented for and exposing the direction to senior officials. i give it to you by, by the average man even contributed to his reassignment from the foreign minister position into the national security council. so he certainly was somebody who had the ability to mobilize, people rattled, and then even the times induced concessions right now in person. it's hard to see him being got so much of a truck, but he did continue to express his views on twitter, on regular videos, and regular at the attempts and also through his team or him. right. and maybe it's just part of, it was broad desire to find down on all forms of defend ahead of the mar,

free $24.00 elections to prevent lever on her desk, and also to prevent, alter nationals interest, which is why you're getting a provision. are off the scene here, peter deal to respond to what you've heard from letting me assign me well before i put a question to you as well. yes, i would like to make the words have lived in there about democratic institutions in russia. and before this program started, i also heard those words on the 17th of march russians will have a realtor given the kitchens. that is not true there. there are no democratic institutions in russia. there is no conditional system. there is no requirement already about 10 years ago. the chairman of the russian duma can came with those famous words. this thing to model parliament is not a place for discussions. and that's how we never since it's 100 percent book and supporters of millions of people who are against this policy are under represented

. they're not allowed to, to speak up, they're not allowed to run for elections and they're, and when they vote in elections, there, roads are stolen and read. so i would like to speak directly to, to, to your viewers and those for seen this. do not believe that when, after the 17th of march and seeing headlines, russians have elected booked them again, booked, it is not trasha to present trasha. russia is not the democracy in any way. it's a dictatorship, and that's how it will show us. okay, i'll be back with you just a 2nd peanut, but we're going to give me a right to reply to that. russia is in no way a democracy flooded man. well i, i had the right now i had what was, uh, no, it will say actually you know, that she's, she starts the point of view, you know, i mean that the, she, uh has mistaken in many things. i think it's just

a fault. it looks from the what you saw, the show, it looks like, well, it didn't do all living in the slavery my, my stuff and let myself, i'm, i, i don't think that i'm living in this literate. i can, i can type actions of my thoughts. so i can criticize, so uh, what do, what do you think that this is not a democracy so well, living in that spot in this data? well, living in this way, right? you know, i, i got to that. let's get back to the next. all right, i got only, i, i, i don't want to to this to dissolve into an argument, but, but peter, just want to come back on that for a moment to i'm sorry you're as far as i understand, professor courtney is actually in the bay over us and he's sitting, we are getting paid by the russian government or not. okay. thing the russian barrels position that just because right. and uh she, she surely might have been given the voice, but i don't think you can take seriously his work,

but he is able to criticize that to criticize the russian car. i haven't heard a single word of criticism of from him so far, and i don't know him as the russians are briggs, the rest of the critics that they do know are exiled in jail or they're like kind of statement, right? those are people. that's what happens to people in the print to size the russia and that's it because they don't ship just like north korea, just like every tree, just like the arrows and then the other standard, these things are shifts. and that's how i, the viewers right now to regard which is russia. it's a, it's, it's a country where power is user as the, the sold prices that it does not represent, because people, they never elected him after the year 2000. okay, let me, i'll give you the right to reply to that in just a moment, but we must bring samuel back in samuel reaction from the west. alternative all the staff was, was swift,

the case foreign office on russian diplomat saying that it holds the russian authorities fully responsible. that was statements from president by and answer the blinking the council president child. so shots, the secretary general of nato, the list goes on. what tools does the west have to constrain or punish? pushing for the can we expect for the sanctions on russia? do you think cool some of a form of, of punitive action now? and so i've been talking to uh, russians uh, and pro democracy activists and people around the valley over the past 24 hours. and one of the biggest things that they told me was that they were very frustrated with the west, that lack of response to kind of all these previous treatment in prison is disappearances occurred shortly before is that eventually that and they really felt that the words that came from joe by him where he was talking about the devastating consequences that would be imposed on russia, where someone, holla, so now it's incumbent on the last do gap prove those efforts, systems to be wrong,

and they actually have some guide. however, i think that the actual most likely be confined to additional sanctions on perpetrators. ab the expansion of the biggest yeah. can be the rights violators. and that will probably end up just sanctioning people who already are sanctioned. i don't have much inclination to move to the left. the other, the other thing that's interesting that was what was have a role in expediting or facilitating the house republicans passing the $60000000000.00 a package towards ukraine because they either a public into our well they have that package have also in the past the critical of on river human rights abuses as to that for human rights and russia. so will this finally be the move in that, that leads to that about 8 packages. moves forward that would be at least some kind of understand their response and develop these that. okay, a lot of me i do think that apart from issuing stipends, a saying that it holds a president present response. ok for the death of election of ality. how. how do you think the west will respond?

i don't think, i don't think that's a little bit a betty of cost actions because so as, as, as all know that i have something that could shift from sanction. this is the debate. it's in europe in union. so probably the us, the president by them will uh, be imposing some, some, some personal sanctions against some of political figures in russia. but that's, that's what bill i know the thing. let me just comment on what people say mississippi to in the kitchen will say, okay, a q as in the, as i, i'm the stewards defends being paid by the state. so i am just, uh, uh we see what the state things. let me ask one simple question, the picture of what you're say to all of us. who are you paid by? are you paid by yourself? are you paid by the southern states, or are you paid from 80 kind of less than seduce,

sounds like your mom each of very much. yeah. okay, great. all right, okay. okay, cool. all right, peter, before i put a question to you, answer that right? so do you want me to answer now? yep, please do. you know, i'm a, i'm the 3 last legal translator i work for 15 years in international law firms are 1st of the virus. and then in the modern right now i, i am working on making my bread as a freelance legal translator from several languages into several languages. i live in a 2 room apartment in belgrade. i am not in any way connected to any government. and so far as to be able to do is we're organizing human downgrade our concern. those are fine most by dimensions, even mostly in gosh, by the russian is our community here, which is very large. that cuz by homepage i am not a, i don't hold

a position at the state university like mines or local. okay, let's, let's get back to alexi and validate. peter got a customer on the right thing on x said the quote. person isn't of all these killers, make no mistake, but that's blame enough to shift 1st for the russians who failed to match alexis coverage to end pollutants dictatorship and war. my rage and the tunnel school, the school in both of the west and politicians who treated the bounties poisoning. and jailing is just another negotiating point with boots and big tool. no action. he said, more blood on that, hans. how valid is that criticism as well as i'm sorry, it was a very low quote. i'm not, i'm not quite sure what. what restrict as far as trying to say yes sir. as far as uh, as far as he's concerned. i wish he, he supported my volume a while while she was alive rather than after she died. as far as i understood the topic is what's the, where's going to be now? is that right?

yeah. well, my view is, i don't know what the west is going to do, but i know what the west should be and that she should have done long ago. the west should 1st stop recognizing the judgment representative of the russian. people stop by me kind of context with him apart from those that are essential for uh, for security purposes. second, the where should finally implemented the sanctions that is already introduced. because we know what can we still producing rockers, including with elements and boards from the west, from western countries, going to leave in front of the united states? sure, the western finally give you a credit on what to pray, needs in order to defend itself. and in order to get into this more, this is what the west should do. and i hope that nobody's there will be brought to the west to action to more serious section. and then there has been shown right now

. unfortunately, i don't have very much hope for that. some of the valley believe that exile would lead to political relevance. he was determined to stay in russia as you heard and, and laura's report at the beginning of the program, he was jailed after returning from germany, off to a being poisoned. and he was behind bars when russia invited ukraine. would he have been, do you think a more effective opposition voice, have he remained outside russia? well, it's really hard to say whether he would have been or not. i would say that obviously there is some possibility that he would have still been a public figure, an influential voice. but his use may have had a lot more difficulty reaching at ordinary russians because some of the restrictions on social media. so there's issues on media censorship. you still can watch his voice out, but he may have been a bit hotter. and i think that, you know, did he see more coordination between the russian bass for our communities that are formed, proclaim us liberals in countries like armenia, georgia and serbia,

that and also elsewhere in europe for there to be more of a chance of concrete action. so i think that the end of all these obviously what it is like probably would have been said by sitting abroad by his in fact i'm and his legacy may have been quite different if a lot of the criminal was claimed that the finally was just a minor political figure, but president pushing was clearly bullied by him. wasn't he refusing even to say his name? when asked about him, why wants that? i think the fall will do the boats in a presence like you have to choose the really he was really mind the political, political leader. you know. i mean that's uh when, when the national treasure been met. so would be the general 2nd to buy the nation . so with the present been saw from united states, some of the congress will be a thing could by the way, what, how it can just be got, ah, how come and see if they got the raleigh. although i myself,

i personally think that she was a great fit professional, wanted to go professional and she, so what, what president the point you could think about that all you know and has and let me, let me disagree again with my um, with my colleagues that uh, the total prosecution, all the addresses clearly uh, are killing all the follows. you know, of the, the, the big ship that they are showing in what they say uh for the of us is very much green. so it makes the rush and the probably russia is the best country. i'm the butcher, which is a bad guy. and though the west has to do is just to remove him from fall. but there's not like a dilemma. it's not like that. beautiful, beautiful ma mazda immediately and not by force will be what we're thing 14, and you will see the results. all right, one last question to peter, what will alexi develop these legacy be given the way in which russia has gone

on the president pushing did he die in vain? and i like sitting around them. its legacy wont be rushes of questions he here he does a lot of clear russian rushes name. uh, before the main move there, i should be able to show that the total russian people, like the way do i have the nurse said immediately, immediately go ahead and hold for pumpkin. there are actually people who resist or not afraid. and he was the greatest example of the future. and it depends on when you viewers, whether you will support this and the back of your brain, or whether you're going to cindy morris. okay, that gentleman, we must end it letting me have something called samuel romani. and pizza, nick has

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