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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoy them before israel's war. most of the 2300000 palestinians living and gaza were already dependent on humanitarian assistance. after 4 and a half months of a total siege, compounded by an intense bombing campaign, the situation is dire. access to aid has been a major aspect of the conflict. israel 1st blocking it, then maintaining type control over deliveries. and now it's accusing un agencies of failing to distributed all while its forces attack the strip from the air ground and see. so how does commanded terry and aid entered gossip to meet treatment, bidding go? explains humanitarian assistance for guns that goes through a lengthy logistical process before it reaches the millions of palestinians, who so desperately need it. the step one, it needs to get to the buddha, gaza is a narrow strip of land on the mediterranean, bordering egypt and israel, hundreds of trucks wait for hours and sometimes days at these checked points. and

it's donna and cut them both on him. step 2 of these really inspections all united nations deliveries are set through the economy level asylum crossing. while non u. n. a is currently being rerouted to egypt and enters via the rafa crossing steps 3, the supplies are offloaded on the causes side of the border, collected by humanitarian agencies sorted and then distributed across the strip. the all huddled at each stage at the board is, is really protest as have been trying to delay deliveries, despite the government designating the crossings as a military zone. the security inspections are conducted by co get the coordination of government activities in the territories. a unit of the is rarely defense department. it decides what is allowed into gaza and what spend the same unit is responsible for overseeing is really policies in the occupied westbank. international agencies have increasingly one to 5 minute gaza accusing israel of

blocking the entry of food and much needed supplies. but the head of co got unit has refuted the accusations saying this, the problem lies with the international organization processing and receiving the aid. there is no foot soft edging garza yet families are eating animal feet and parents are skipping meals to ensure that children have something to eat. and the us food agency, a lifeline to millions of palestinians have suspended its operations. convoys have come on defiance. despite coordinating their routes with the israeli military to meet them, have been in co out to 0 for inside story the . all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guest. joining us from london is andreas creek and associate professor of security studies at kings college london, who specializes in security and strategy in the middle east and occupied east jerusalem is every day the spokesperson for the international committee of the red

cross and israel and the occupied territories, the c r c has operated in the region since 1967 and in oslo. raymond, your hanson is the secretary general of norwegian people's aid, which has provided humanitarian assistance in the gaza strip for more than 35 years . he's also a former norwegian state secretary for foreign affairs, a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story, sir, let me start with you today. could you explain to our viewers just how the i c r c is involved to and the ongoing efforts to get more aide into gaza? for example, what exactly does the i c r c do as far as speaking with specific bodies. negotiating with specific is really government bodies and what kind of access are you getting? thank you so much for having me on. so firstly, i think it's, it's very important just to clarify that as the international committee of the red cross, we are not negotiating as such. but we do a closing gauge with policies to the conflict as well as other active other

institutions of states. and really, anyone who has influence or abilities is situation. we are heavily focused on how to embed terry and diplomacy, which doesn't include speaking directly to other parties to these conflict, including of course, israel and from us. and reminding them of 1st and foremost, a obligation on the international humanitarian book. as well as the occupying power in the mind tells the entire truth. they have the, the obligation to principle that civilians have access to it. that these things like food and say, well, i'll show these are all part of our ongoing discussions with them and their relationships with the bill having been here for so many decades. is there a obviously the i c r c has a very long history of difficult negotiations with warring parties around the world

. this is according to these long health principles of the organization. how does this compare? what we're seeing in jobs are the kinds of discussions your having right now when it comes to humanitarian diplomacy. how much more difficult is it compared to other conflicts in the past? or yeah, as you said, we have worked in in many different, complex 11 a well, i think every conflict has it's our intelligence. but this particular conflicts, as we have also has had a very intense, a few months or facilities. and it has severely impacted the people, the civilians on the ground in the you know, i'm not part of the supplies we have seen as well in this day and age. the very boss bred all the information on social media, which unfortunately can have an impact on the states and threes and all the organizations. but those are the situation and unfortunately doesn't have an impact

at times all the operations on the ground. as i said, we have long standing relationships with the law and the as well as applies to these conflicts and like someone to be just the content of that discussion as a, as a, just a discrete organization as that mutual organization that we are. we are regularly in contact with them consistently discussing all different aspects of this conflict of conflict out concerns what we're seeing on the ground. and we will continue to reduce our raymond, what mechanisms are in place for israel to ensure food entry, mandatory and assistance reaches the millions of people that the you and say are at risk of starvation in concept. first of all, i think it's important to say that the over staff in ga saw they are us from other organizations these of placed themselves. i know most of our

people that from da subsidy and the for the time being the resources is very limited. they are doing their best to set something up, some like trains on the for women and children, and the, at the same time we've talked and that, but a just that goes, are subjects to direct attack on the soul are also the health things reduce the amount of power in the sides. and so it's extremely difficult for the time being to do any monetary assistance on the s, the represent the papers from the site and go with men say that there are no food. so tags in golf. so that's of course free fat betsy, is food. so that's in golf. saw an even before the 7th of october, 80 percent of the population in golf saw was dependent on

a i know with the blockades. i'm just a rough across thing and that kid and shot on crossing over a with a minimum capacity with the restriction. it sets itself the bone being most stop on it. we have to open up for more sites. busy to bring in humanitarian assistance and the it's extremely difficult a situation for the people who lives on the day, the bathing small area, which is the presence of all the conflict. this is small, small area we to millions people in the biggest places, placement in the world. so we the, we, i'd say important to take something back on the best. well raymond, let me follow up with you about another point. the policy and red crescent is warning that the number of people and got to have died as

a result of israel's deliberate starvation. and famine in gaza is what we're seeing now from your perspective. is it war by starvation and are israel's actions causing families? of course that's the consequence of the bomb being that's, that comes to grant. and so the last go x a story many times in the the seasons me so. busy so the northern part of gale ga sized the basic game and all this military songs. so it means that this all solve difficult or almost impossible to, to go back to see if that is possible to find the hardest, some to define some food deficiency, a impossible to solve. the topler depend on the manufacturing assistance. andre, as we heard in dimitris report earlier, he was talking about the body known as co got that short for the coordination of government activities in the territories. it's a unit of the is really defense department. i want to ask you more specifically, what is co gad and how does it work to?

right, i mean, co good sounds civilian. but as he already said, as a unit in the ministry of defense, it's run by the military. it's run by military officer. it's staffed by military officers and it's an excuse execution. it executes a body of the idea of to actually implemented occupation. so we have to understand that always the occupation was supposed to be phased out of the also, it didn't happen. so this was sort of an interim body to facilitate the military side of the civilian side of the military occupation, but to get responses and on says to the military, it's part it's, it's altering to a military body in the central c'mon increments military strategy. so it's not a civilian body. and as such, also we see that is obviously responsible for all the choke points for all the flows of data of people of aid. 3 of goods, financial services, anything that goes in and out of the occupied territories, and that includes the west bank and gaza. and it's such as in many ways when it comes to gaza, that the present gatekeeper,

because it kind of keeps the gates and controls the most important, sharp, sharp points for aid. for people, for capital, for any sort of flow is going in and out of gauze on what ever goes through the roof of crossing, which they now control increasingly as well. it is also is usually not controlled by co good, but it is a is punished when it goes through this. so they're trying to implement. they've tried to create a situation where they can control the flows of people in particular there as well . but it's absolutely a pivotal point and then a crucial element of military occupation and the fact that they control everything that goes to the arrows crossing as well as cut them a shuttle in the south. they consider an enforcing us that's very important. enforcing forcing the bro okay, means that they have very much not just complicit, but they're crucial part of that real k that crucial in controlling that territory . and that makes the adf and the military and the ministry of defense as well. a very much a,

a party that occupies the gaza strip even if they don't control the day to day operations on the ground. usually maybe in a, in a, in terms of illustrating that, i would say that co good is in many ways the national government. why, what, how much is doing domestically is more like a municipality government because it completely tied and controlled by what cold that is doing in terms of information flows, flows of people and flows of money and goods. so audrey is we can follow this train of thought a little bit further. israel is being blamed by many agencies for blocking a deliveries to gaza. of course is really government denies those accusations. but then you also have co get officials with co got who are saying essentially that the problem doesn't live with them. that the problem lives with international organizations. and they say that international organizations need to do more to insure the flow of 8 into gaza. how do you make sense of these statements from co got leadership saying that the you, when could do more to get aiden? i essentially pushing blame onto the you in or other in g o as or agencies. well,

well as your say, they're actually the ones in control. this is obviously a part of that information contained as a way of deflecting responsibility away from co. got colgate has been on a, on a mess of information contained in the united states with some of the senior members going around speaking to people in saying that we're doing everything that we can. but it's not our fault. but in reality, considering that they are the gatekeepers, the prison gate keepers of gauze us in many ways, they do control what's going on. and it's, it's part of that information contained that we've seen in western capital was run by is really information networks to kind of blame the u. n. and you and agencies are saying they're insufficient. they're undermined by how mazda they have their, their complicit and whatever is going on. what ever happened on the 7th of, of october. and so that's part of that information combining, co get is part, is integrated into that overall strategy, because that isn't as strategic. so it's still because it reports to the military, it's not a civilian institution that is next to the military. it is on spring to this same military strategy. and as right been said already before of military or unit turn 8

has become weaponized that become a tool of state. promptitude of will fed by these readings and co back, therefore is become part of that same military strategy of attacking, not just how much and the how much infrastructure, but also the civilians that live in garza. and that's such target is very much completed in that. and i would see any of these kind of information co pays as part of a wider reference to this credit, international, international community and the especially and goes into you might turn into a community. raymond, i saw you nodding along to a lot of what andreas was saying, there is when you want to jump in, please go ahead. yeah, i just don't do to jump in on the i think it's fair also to to mention the catastrophic game back of freezing outcomes to unwrap and rob the most responsible to the invest structure for receiving monetary assistance into gall, saw noisy to freezing funds. and right, it's not able to do de berg that also being very instrumental to the rest of the

amount of that in family because they add that infrastructure. so i know when they come to this are also a de la increasing the funds. so this is very, very dramatic, and that's also the part of the ongoing campaign that everyone who has been involved in gaza from the military and sides. if his angels, if it's you and they to blame, i mean direct to say that they are supporting groups that they are not supporting because they are doing different money, 7 assessments, and we trying to be don't find us. think the see very democratic society, which is also the best guess for trying to find a more peaceful solution. first bill, so have to think through that because it may not be sustainable. if y'all just flushing in and look the way we don't have any control. i mean, know that the engulf of the space a lot, ordinary of course it's

a almost impossible to, to pervade. so we need access at the same time to see that we are partners not doing over those to trying to save lives. he makes. did he create the goats innovation for the population in gospel these days? sarah, before october 7th, you had around $500.00 trucks of ada would enter gaza daily and, and even then, most of the population depended on humanitarian assistance. of course things have grown much more dire and the drop off. it's been precipitous when it comes to the number of trucks that go in. everyone knows not enough relief, is getting into gaza. what are the priorities right now and why isn't it getting to the people who need it? there's definitely is, is not enough. uh, entry of agents and gaza right now. for all of the international committee of the red cross. one of the main priorities is medical care, medical supplies and medical equipment. right now there is,

i would say north functioning health system in the and there are increasing concerns and increasing rates of things like infectious diseases. on top of doors you have being rented and require ongoing check, ongoing dressing changes, you know, people already, li, a big product diseases and disabilities. before the sentence about kind of before this escalation began, there are still people who require their regular medication. things like dialysis and intensive treatment team, right? therapy does. now they had him as pressure added to it because there are certain many thousands of people who have been severely wounded, expired as to the elements in gaza. right now, living in tents in a very small area in about 20 percent of the entirety of the gaza strip. and this is really just a hot bed of public health concerns. i think there are many challenges and many

reasons why supplies are not reaching people. the thought is that there is such a, a boss to raise of beads, very individual people, individual families have different dates and to even be able to, to go with that and try and address each needs is, is a challenge, you know, itself, there, of course, the security concerns our team has been impacted by security instead is not seen, was a fortunately in november, off by and phone. i know up to minutes. harry and organizations have i've had similar incidents and the logistics there on dory. possible varieties in the old very few possible grades on the lease i rumble. there are the concerns, all unexplained wouldn't it says, my guess is that the people in the i'm not able to tell where it is. and then of

course, there's very little access to those to billions to us. do you know, sir? let me also ask you what you're talking about, you know, the logistics and how difficult it is and, and on that note, there are reports now that the u. k. and canada have started to air drop supplies to northern gods because they say it's impossible to get aid in there. from your perspective, is that a sustainable or efficient way of delivering aid? and is it really impossible to the extent that that's the only way that aid could get in? so it drops off something that we at the ice you all see have used in the past in the, in different conflicts around the world. and we're very pleased of course that this means that some and then those will receive the medical supplies, but i believe with drugs, but for us and for all jury come with that rain in our sales challenges. um, as far as i know, logistics, things like that that needs to be budge, areas that are not filled with people that do not have all just in the way it is.

it is a very expensive inside the house and sustainable would be for, for multiple attempts. you know, there's always the full attention about things break on impact. it really depends on what's in these edge roles. is it the medical equipment that's very sensitive and is it supplies is a found surprise or flower they all they are in challenges with the ad drops out on the, on the possibility of gaining access to the door. i don't know if i would call is impossible in a general sense, but space please. absolutely not right now. it's very cold places. very challenging . any organizations to, to 1st within no overtime, for example, this is what said the little boys, logistics wiper rumble, but unexplained ordinances. but it is an active causeway design. still, they're still watching on going there is no, no this off and broke. it's flying back. all stereo fines and somebody finding in

different areas. mm hm. so you get patient is a huge challenge. what seems to be able to even even communicate that copies where they are. that's the, that's a really big challenge for anyone who is attempting to gain access to. now, andreas, i want to explore a bit more about co god because this is a complicated issue and there is a lot of confusion about how exactly a gets in. we were talking earlier about co got being a body within the defense ministry you were saying as part of the military structure from your perspective, would things be at all easier if something like co got were shifted under a civilian controlled structure or would that perhaps complicate things for their maybe even politicize the matter further, you know, in a normal country and a normal level democracy, i would say, yes, this sort of agency should be under civilian control. shouldn't be wrong by the military. when you look at, you know, the, the, what happened in our accountants. so just the approaches in iraq and they've got us

done executed by western countries. we kind of tried to shift governance back to a civilian body, said he's with the, the problem. and israel is obviously, and that has been quite a lot of debate in the, in recent months to kind of shift coal got away from the ministry of defense to at no, no less, no one less than the minister of finance. i smoked it you in selves obviously subtler. he's a convicted a is a convicted offender as well in that space and obviously is highly politicized. has a huge interest in making sure that co, that is a she no longer full pricing and that's will criticize and co get quite rightly for what it does as a gatekeeper to lead aid in to gaza. it thinks will be fall as if corporate was not controlled by the military, but would actually be controlled by a highly politicized ministry such as the ministry of finance, which would respond to a red collection voltage, who in his own views would love to continue with the ethnic cleansing, and kind of create a situation with thousands wouldn't no longer be able to allow to live in the gaza

strip and when instrumental i forget for exactly that same reason. and so i, the military has been pushing back, raymond, there is confusion when it comes to reporting how much aid is actually getting into gaza. there seem to be a lot of discrepancies in the numbers that have been posted and reported by different bodies. how difficult is it to actually decipher how many a trucks are getting into guys are these days? early reading the discussions today, we heard that usually before the 7th of october, it was $500.00 jacks each day. no, it's some days it's low tracks. some of the day it's up to 20, maybe 100 and then down the senior year old the day after. so the overall perspective there, it's that there is a lead, meet all the money period assistance is almost nothing. so i think it's the same even more the 1st week in the theaters.

and this is also the 3rd in this bar. we're trying to say that's when it's not that serious. it's not the blockade. it's stating as we heard in the earlier the discussion today. there are no foods, so tax in golf saw of course, well this the consequences $30000.00 i was i've been killed. that's been killed since the 7th of october. mm. 80 percent, but about that so it's limitation. it's difficult this but big. we know that it's coming ramen, so. yeah, raymond, i'm, i'm sorry to interrupt you. we just have about a minute and a half left. i also want to ask you about the fact that when it comes to the concern about being able to operate in gaza and distribute aid we heard in the last couple of days at the world food program is going to be halting a deliveries in the northern part of gaza. how much concern is there about that

right now and, and do you believe that perhaps even norwegian people's aid will have to halt distribution of 8 in the north of gaza because of security concerns to going forward? yeah, that's true. we hope that they've been, that we need some more international humanitarian workers into outside. we think that that was supposed security. the reason they took the good news about the program that they have in the pipeline suited for to 2 months more to go uh, which is possible. the cd access is the main problem. no, we have to see that both 8 is crossing new gothic they. that's built on got an engrossing can be open and not the same time we have enough. i've also got to get them shut them closing, which is necessary because it's limited access for the people who lives in golf. have to move from north to south. um, east to west, so we need to have more more access. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of

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these cop cheers solutions that gives us no hope for future that we have to find creative solutions. not just turn our backs, i don't think that has a number. think about it as a person, person yourself, and that person ensures. so as you can see for this is my us, my life, or at least in my life, those dishes we want we want to break because the women and my country, they're not sweet to come to us. we are not. and neither ology, we are human beings on this earth to be treated equally. we are in their thoughts, that's our officers. whatever has been done before, can be done. as long as a human being is doing it, you just have to keep pushing because no one else can see. the vision is clear.

what's most important to me is talking to people, understanding what they're going through here. it just here to we believe everyone has a story. we're hearing this magical facility in the mind, incidents gap. and so hard to them is a single room, but provide health care for dozens of people every day. and it's run entirely by volunteers for dance health sector is nearly destroyed after 9 months of conflict between the army and the parents. minutes for your rapid support forces. b, u. n. says 70 percent of hospitals around the country aren't functioning. i study business administration but came here because most medics have left the capital. i took care of distributing the medicines. we have 570 patients who come to get medication for chronic illnesses. minor emergency operations are sometimes performed here as well. and the center also receives patients with a gunshot wound,

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