take you less is an alarm bells ringing hits. just to put this into context, mexico's one of the most lee fool countries. but john lives in the world where they receive a tax, not just from criminals, from authorities themselves. free speech groups say such a dangerous precedent. the vast majority of death threats in mexico, our sense to re borders v. uh, what's that uh, the facebook messenger and other such applications. and a such local officials in mexico could use the president's actions as a justification for their own actions and basically no longer have any prior restraint to continue this. the president's revealing of the john, this number was actually illegal if she wasn't asked for permission. first, the head of the countries access to information institute told us those things are going pretty quickly. sea level we will have to abide by some loyalty. if the low establishes that i cannot disclose the telephone number or personal data that was

collected in the exercise of my powers, then why am i disclosing it? you would have to justify why this disclosure was made for the president was later off. if he was responsible, should anything happen to her in a country by more than a dozen journalists were killed in 2022? that's the hand admitted. no, don't exaggerate. if she's worried, she should change your number. so what was the new york times article about the day of to the president's tie? right. it was published reports that us officials spent is looking into allegations the allies of president lopez over the door took money from drug cartels. they basically got soon the cisco needs and it says that there's no smoking gun and the president himself was never accused of taking any cash the all it's kluso states. the us never begun to form an investigation. but now instead of talking about the pros and cons of the pace, the news is of another journalist at risk. this time off to the actions of the head of state. john holman, out to 0 is mexico city. as the 1st us spacecraft tops down on the moon in more

than 50 is, is lying on its side. the odysseus landed on the moon's south pole on thursday. a company that built the spacecraft so some of its antennas are facing downwards hampering data transmission. we think we came down with, like i said about 6 miles an hour this way and about 2 miles an hour this way and park a foot in the surface and, and the lender has tipped like this. and we believe this is the surface, the, the orientation of the land or on the moon, as, as it from a mon, he was in half an hour with darren. jordan upfront is next to stay with the highest branch of chinese government and national people's congress is missing in the didn't outline. it's amazing. but as the economy fails to recover from the

pandemic, what's called the cushions of an increasingly weak outlook for the rest of it. was color the latest development as the war and ukraine enters its 3rd year. the civilian death toll continues to mount in large areas of the country had been ravaged by war. so what is the future of ukraine? and will the war spill over into neighboring countries? that's our discussion this week, and it upfront special the 2 years on from russia's full scale invasion of ukraine fears or mounting that the conflict may become another endless war. the hostilities thus far have led to more than $10000.00 civilian deaths and left massive destruction in its wake. militarily the situation on the ground is difficult to assess. but last week, russia scored an important victory when it captured the eastern ukrainian city of difficult. so what will happen now are peace negotiations even possible. what lies

ahead for ukrainian and russian leadership can just be the best today are less, you have bustling co ukrainian member of parliament and human rights lawyer. billy, it might be of a political scientist currently and you see berkeley and aaron match a journalist and host of the push back on the grades. i wanna thank you all for joining me on upfront. let's see, i'm going to start with you band been conflicting narratives as to which country is succeeding in this war. russian president vladimir putin has said that russian defeat is impossible, while ukrainian president of vladimir zalinski previously said, we know russia will lose. so what's the truth? you're in your view. what are you? what are you thinking span at the moment to just brain is fighting for his existence. this has been the case since day one, which was back on the 20 is february 2014. when russia sauce attacked ukraine, there nomics premiere and ukraine is fighting against russia's military aggression,

aggression being an international crime, the whole world was standing behind you, for instance, 2014 and especially opposite escalation. that's a direction of 2022, to push back from russia to push back on the very top. all the aggressive spreading of autographs. this is, this is the assessment of the situation and what is possible or impossible and what should and shouldn't happen. this is a full for the global community to judge, and i think it's up to you great in the and all those parts understanding kind of praying to judge and at the moment everything is the only thing possible is being done to make sure that there is no victory for russia and that there is a collective victory full the urban aaron and into this conversation, eric, i mean, what do you make of that? i mean, uh, let's see. it was putting a pretty clear cut moral and political picture here. she's saying there's a,

there's an active aggression at the legal and the global community knows the right side of the issue here. what do you say? i have a different take on how this war began and it's important understand how it began because that holds the key to how this war and 10 years ago i agree, this war began, but i think it began and much different terms. 10 years ago there was a coo and ukraine, there was a democratically elected president, got a call, which he was overthrown. he was corrupt. there were many people protesting him, but the fact was, he was democratically elected. he was over throwing the leaders of the crew. were members of far right groups, including right sector and so go to who the european parliament when you earlier had condemned for anti semitic xena, phobic views. they receive top cabinet post and into into government. the us plan and really dangerous of all by backing this cool, victoria new in the top us official was caught on tape podding, who would be the next leader of ukraine. that the new co government then waged thoughts on the ethnic russians of eastern ukraine. one of the 1st movies was to try to band the russian language in response. you've had eastern ukrainians. rise up and yes, rush. i did see, i'm sorry, rush on

a 2nd. i didn't for up to you. i didn't interrupt. what will i will bring it back and i'll give you a chance to respond russian russian to cheese crime yet, which by the way, a lot of the population didn't support joining russia is ukraine officials admitted at the time then it was a piece process. there was something called a meant to a court. the basic bargain was that ukraine was gonna recognize the autonomy of eastern ukraine. and the fighting would stop ukraine under the pressure of the same far right nationalist or drove the crew refuse to implement minutes. which led to ultimately rush out deciding to invade. i don't support rush as invasion, but you have to recognize that from the start there were opportunities to avoid that invasion by respecting the municipal court. afterwards, there was a peace deal of reached in turkey in april 2022 weeks into the war. we all know this from multiple officials, nato officials, incorrectly officials. there was a deal rich between new craner, russia, but forest johnson. the permanent w. k. stepped in and said to ukraine, we're not going to back you up. if you make a peace deal with russia, you should keep fighting. and that i think is,

has let us to where we are today. let's you. i'm sorry, but the amount of um, just twisted fast and basic. incorrect information was absolutely incredible. so 1st of all, let's go back 220-142-0134 that matter. what was happening in the crate on what was happening in the crate and at the time was that the people of ukraine came out. it's not just him keys, but across all of the print to protest you can call, which is regime on his pay and putting down the foot on a democratic process that was unrolling in the country. and you prince choice to become a to come on the past to the exception to the easy. and that's when the call, which was you was often on where the general for which fleet he went to russia, where he is now welcomed by the function and all of his ability to cover today. you

can still have a democratically elected parliament, a democratically elected president who the population supports. i'm also a government, which is functioning. and i'm in the years off to the my don revolution of dignity. an officer, russia has an next the next grade media. there was no referendum. none of that. if you are calling a referendum a, an inquiry was where a lot of the people were held the gunpoint. that's not the referendum. so and also russia has legally occupied significant regions. the people of we pray are still absolutely united in bringing territorial integrity back to you. i'm a so just another correction, dement, i court the soul. goldman, sky ports were made under

a force and any agreements made under force or even threat them use of force is deemed now and what day these are basic international law, pretty united security card and then they want to jump in. i gotta move others we want to cover a lot of ground to make sure both even just jump back into the conversation. anyway, let me go to you for a minute. because over the weekend are russian forces took over the eastern ukrainian city of difficulty, which has shifted the front line. and some say, it's given russia the upper hand at the moment. but what do you make of these recent developments? i think that it was a tech to go victory, but there is no chance of russian victory strategically because you, greens immediately potential and the will to resist these invasion is so strong. that's the real breakthrough on the front line isn't possible. so 5 div, correct is one small towel and the front line is uh, thousands. get one with this else. look at the lives of the boards to make about

add ons, speech, but i guess i don't have the time. i will just ask one single question again and to let the presidents become a dictator. and another question is going to be both rises up used, uh, educator. let's say yellow jenkins and friends have this demonstration. and then my court decides to show 100 demonstrators. what do you think is going to happen in this scenario? i mean, you got this demonstration. it was a dispersed with the use of force and people who are shot to people. but you do think the people for us are going to just stand by this and say, how about to you, but use our elected president? you know, we should, we should not try to raise up against you. so in that sense my don. ready was not, it was, it was a revolution. and the response to that uprising in violation of every possible agreement, which is a next grade here in violation of 19 i'm the wedgwood there in an interview with

former fox news host tucker carlson. vladimir proves that he was willing to discuss a peace agreement to in the war, but russia has shown no indication that it will renounce any territories that were in x during the conflict. he previously told key that new port territorial realities have to be taken into account if that is the case. can you see negotiations being even possible and i definitely see negotiation as possible. i don't see the results in anything that's a different thing. i mean, certainly rustic and have freak negotiations sending a 3rd year for the people to negotiate like you deeds in march to 1022. but this is not important to put, you know, he's not going to negotiate and he's in his mind. it just you, possible to inflict and leisure military defeats when you create and this is gets

altima. the goal ends the tool to achieve this goal here triggered but what does it mean to turn the is it also possible, really i'm gonna bring you into and that he does what a peace agreement. it's just the, the, it's just the relinquishment of annex territory. so we won't be part of the state agreement. is there any way? very sincere button agreement, but simply holding his ground on, pardon me, you know, it's not about right here. it wouldn't take his own words. now it's about the full blown kids adult. you boards territories that will help you, but it's up to 2022. and secondly, i see 0 instigation. that which we see here is to stop the war even with the steps, basically stealing almost 20 percent or for you brittany, on that. so i, i see no indication of that which is good. so is there, there are, what do you make of it? what do you make of that assessment? he said, look, this is an empty rhetoric. you can't have a peace agreement period if you have no one if you have

a doctor and or commitment to permanent war. but also you can't have a legitimate piece agreement. if fundamentally you're unwilling to relinquish, not just crime here, but any of the land that's been, that's been annexed in either way, and it's gonna take, well, i agree with the point that putting in now is not going to give up territory and not just crime in other parts of it, 20 percent of the new crane that russia has taken, but we have to look at how that is come to be. and my fundamental point is that in april 2022, you would a piece deal risk in this dumble between russia and ukraine. a topic printing diplomat. it was part of the delegation recently said, quote, pollutant, did everything possible to make peace? the head of you crimes delegation was a member of the credit, and parliament said that we could have ended the war, had we just declared neutrality. that was russia's demand back. that russian was ready to withdraw with pre invasion lines. but what happened, boris johnson came over and told ukraine, sorry, we're not going to offer you the security guarantees and you need for a peace deal with russia. that was an order basically from ukraine's western sponsors to keep fighting. and ukraine unfortunately obeyed. so, yes, right now,

russia's terms would be a lot more harsh. we have to understand. that's as far as you'd agree, that there are the reasonable well, they're just the sure. sure. listen, i would love it if russia didn't take the creative territory, but that's a reality now. and the point is for ukraine, the question is, do you want to kill what, what do you mean when you say it's a reality? i mean, almost the ukraine could have kept all of its territory. had it been i, i get you the void. i guess my question is, what's, what's the value of pointing to saying this could have been different at this moment you're conceding that there is no legal annexation. you're acknowledging that this is wrong. why not have the critique of the russian annexation of land and the illegal occupation of land rather than say, this could have been avoided diplomatically or since usually wrote in the case of crime you again, yes, you will have to trust the referendum that was held under russian control, but according to u. s. government funded pulse of premier majority, the population wants to be part of russia. that's a fact or multiple polls showing that that's not rushing profit data and the is the interest. i'm sorry, i didn't if you're on deck,

leslie i probably will bring in so you can respond to this in eastern ukraine. i don't know what the popular sentiment is that i would propose referendums as some people have talked about to see, you know, who wants to be with it. but what i'm saying is you can kind of kept all the territory, had a respect to the mental chords, which contrary to what was said before, was not a legitimate, it was endorsed by the web security council. it was reached by the cranium government. when you cream, tried to implement some of the provisions, there were protests led by alternation with outside the parliament saying no to know to capitulation, police officers were killed because you have unfortunately in ukraine, a contingent of alter nationalists who don't see eastern ukrainians who identify with russia as equal and that's why they've been condemned. and there is even in us congressional ban on funding an army as off battalion, which is a neo nazi brigade incorporated into i'd be printing military and one point in 2014, the best source for whether or not this was a popular revolution i think, is ukrainian public opinion, and you can read from polls back then in the key post in the washington post that

the country was divided, but half the country supported the protest, half the country didn't. and in that situation, when you try to force inquiring into one camp, into cutting off all its ties to russia when you have millions of people who identify as the russian who want to have ties with russia, it's suicide and helps explain why we're in. that is, as i ran today. but let's your last april, russian did offer a piece deal that was rejected by ukraine on the ground. it said that moscow could not be trusted to him. hold it. however, the leader of the crating and delegation to the negotiations did spell out. one of the requisites russ russian was asking for thing, quote, they were prepared to end the war if we agreed to as finland once did neutrality and committed that we would not join nato. what ukraine consider not joining nato to region in to the war. over 80 percent of the population on the printer, they supports. 5 grand joining me on this as a result of russian aggression against the crime,

because we want security guarantees and we need real security guards because again, uh, you know, going back into his, in russia was supposed to be a guarantee of the price security off to you print de la puts nuclear weapons. # back in 1996, the prussian wants to come to that actually ended up in raising print also as he wants to go into history as i run. and does this is important in 1991 when you train regains it's independence from the soviet union from russia. russia was the country that accepted that ukraine is an integral, independent country was, crania, as he transferred, was done yes, because you can started for, you will have to reprint surgery and all the of the therapies which rush up to date, quote, effective control over was, it's new, it's russia accepted, it signed off on it and then reached it's very work on this very legal responsibilities. so what are we talking about now? what kinds of negotiations negotiations to a fees

a terrorist autocratic review doesn't skewing ukrainians by the day or the, the duration of the last 10 years. and where do you want to come with this negotiation? what give off the premium line? give us the rights to the people, all the people who are living on that line to be bringing in to speak to you, putting your language as they want to speak it, including and let me ask them along which do speak ukrainian, by the way to when people there want to associate themselves with the phrase i live under the playing inside, but they cannot because that is endangered to their lives because showing any affiliation was you print today in finance. coal, hans means that you are taking to prison to torture counts. i'm sorry, what kinds of negotiations are we talking about on what kind of a peaceful russia and regime is aaron trying to print from the audience it, you claim is received billions of dollars in europe and united states in the form

of military assistance and other a and u. s. as in the process of trying to improve another $61000000000.00 in support to the country. southern voice they're concerned about this approach, hoping to prolong the war. one us senator called ukraine, quote, america's new animal is more and warned that the united states, as quote heading down the same path that mired us in middle eastern conflicts for over 2 decades. what do you make of that? that the funding of crating to this extent and this, and this approach to funding only allows ukraine to keep the war going. and i see, i see this as the logical because you bring the blood stats. these wor, usually the biggest obstacles abuse is what you're gonna put you and haven't decrypted. so uh, is if uh, in a situation with those american military supports,

the water would store because what you would just simply stop it taking you. great . so this is not codes going to go. it's not like you for the gas stoves supplying your brain with weapons, then suddenly decides to stoke is invasion because, oh no, they don't get the weapons. you know, i'm not going to take your brain anymore because before 2022, a supplies of weapons through your brain or the so called lisa beads were meaning mo, uh, in contradiction to what the tribune is saying that the woman and we don't these weapons, the water will be prolonged because butcher is going to push until she can inflict the strategic defeat because he is ultimately. ringback in does what is to defeats you great, it isn't what you need to win or lose. so for what you meant to do, it is important to win. i think it's the logical proposition. so stopping the supplies of where the question and that same vein here is it, and you're saying that you're saying that point one would continue to prosecute

this war. some have even argued it might prompt him to expand his imperial ambitions in november of last year. russian foreign minister surveyed that wrong, insinuated, bet mailed over, might take a similar path to ukraine. thing about the is destined to fall to the next victim in the west unleashed hybrid war against russia. i mean, it's not that far fetched the air and when i got i want to get your take on this to, i mean, they've occupied part of georgia and, oh, wait, annex premier, it pardon me, in 2014 and as a full on invasion of ukraine in 2020 to one could argue you don't need a crystal ball for this. this is, this is inevitable. and, you know, it's just very shortly. that's in the beginning of the work. there was an official statements by some russian junior rule that the goal is to make a land score either to adulthood because part of my door will grass these 3 or.

ready russian troops and so the idea was to one goes, so then you bring and to one good ideas. and so make a board or the, you know, do, does needs to, through the you bring and standard 3. so. ready taking model is definitely possible in this scenario. and so it was almost denounced by russian. so they do go as far as actually seeing that they're going to exact model. but they said that the goal is to make this corner door of dignity at the trash rules from the actual russian standards we do, the tendency to, i'll do it to would companies do so we just northwest fished and new shooting. you ensure that the view this comes down to whether you're seeing russia is acting as a fundamentally aggressive expansion is power, or whether it has legitimate security concerns. georgia, 2008. that happened because george attacked russian allies 1st, russia that intervene. unfortunately, george, i think got betrayed by dick cheney, which encourage them to watch that operation and made, given the impression that the us would have george's back again 2014. we've already

gone over the history. there was a crew that happened whether you like in a corporate or not. he was over thrown crimea historically, as part of the russian sphere in house for us as most important naval base. there was no way rush it was gonna let crimea fall into the hands of a government that is now talking about joining nato. which by the way, was previously outlined on the funding constitution. if roger was expansion his wife and to take donuts in the honda in 2014, when the leaders and the brakes were public's were begging to be part of russia. russia said, no, let's do the math. i don't know, air desk, i mean every, the imperial power that has occupied later and explained they always say there's a security concern. they always say it was a strategic military purpose. they, they never just say, hey, we're being, you know, warmongers and everything is taken out. there's always a good question and is a legitimate or not the part the question was, do you think rush to take it more? do i do? i see them expanding to go after nato countries. absolutely not. that would be suicide. or that would be inviting more with native world war 3. they are in

ukraine because of ukraine's significance to russia. william burns was a current director of the c i. he bought a cable in 2008 warning that ukraine for russia. it was a red line across the spectrum, whether it's put in or his liberal critics, because of ukraine's historical significance to russia, including having people inside your brain, millions of who are a family in russia to identify as ethnic russian. and that's why it was always crazy to try the dry ukraine into one camp. why not let it be neutral respect, and you have people in ukraine who hate russia fair enough to do people. and ukraine also want to be a part of russia. so the projects and the 2014 has been to integrate ukraine into the u. s. light order. and that's been catastrophic. let's say i wouldn't renew is i want to respond to aaron, but also this fundamental question of doing, you see russia expanding even further and continued this sort of parent that we've seen since 2008. yes, russia will expand once, given the chance of this. nobody fight spots. if you praise stops twice and back,

rushing, fluids. fine. and what will happen is that you will have russian missile directed at a number of western capitals located that you praise the fall most west and borders, which will mean that it will be reachable within 2 hours. if this is something that says you're lucky, required for the us one, i'm pretty sure that the answer is no. i'm this is why there's also robot support for you. right and drove off and i'll just come to the nation by pointing back towards rush. i'm something that i want to get straight arrow and has implied so many times. that's e praying is almost like the prophets of either the us or the that is not the case. you present as an independent country, fighting for its very existence. it says not to be any foreigners coming from any other country, but the people of ukraine, r o b, that heart their wish to preserve that holes protects their families and to

re gain control of our own land. and this is what has happened, and we are grateful to every single country that is spending the find us with military support financial a few minutes early on any other support and how that can be provided to make sure that the process of russian and rushes or to practical on the food, you know, under a whole bunch of other positions, does not spread floods up then rushes borders. and we're trying to push them back and making any kind of negotiations and peace with russia without actually having security guarantees from a number of countries is impossible and will never be possible. i think this is where i'd like to to these things and make things clear and just discuss, all right, that's all we have time for unless you alia aaron. thank you all for joining. i'm sure. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back the,

the child does not die from the bombing. he will die from the cold. no clothes, no food, nothing. no diapers were 5 and children in attends of one square metre towards continue without having a hostages. right now, the specs for the governments of the country for texas on october 7th, this government failed miserably. hard hitting into buildings as a un ambassador position given to you by or does have both. you've described that is better than is better than any thought provoking ons. my question to you all the good cooks, i think, is the most difficult press than our part to answer facing realities. us vito. in the security council, this is a major stumbling block, is the problem to get access to if he of the story on told to how does era all

these officers solutions that gives us know for future that we have to find creative solutions, not just turn our backs on the don't think that has a number, think about it as a person and yourself and that person's shoes. so as you can see for this is my us, my life, or at least in my life, those stages we want. we want the education, we want to go great. because the women in my country, they're not sweet to us. we are in the night all or 2. we are human beings and this has to be trees and the coins. we are walking in their footsteps, our ancestors whatever has been done before, can be done even better. as long as a human being is doing it. you just have to keep pushing because no one else can

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