style john, every time i travels and whether it's east or west gas, people stop me and tell me how much they appreciate coverage. and our focus is not just on their suffering, but also on a more pop listing and inspiring story. people trust to tell them what's happening in their communities in at p a and i'm biased and as an applicant, i couldn't be more proud to be part of the consequences of israel's war on gaza is causing a maritime prices in the red sea. one that has drawn in major powers like the united states, the u. k. and china. so is the red sea becoming fully mill? that's right. this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoyed the red sea?

it's one of the busiest shipping roots in the world, and one that's been a source of contention for some time. everything fighters, indiana and had been targeting vessels they say are linked to israel since the war on cause that began. they've also recently banned ships from the us and britain from their surrounding waters. vessels being routed have caused considerable delays and come at high cost. the us and u. k. have launch several air strikes against the targets in yemen, in an effort to stop the attacks on ships. they're also launching a multinational force to protect trade, which the u is now joining. so is the red sea now becoming fully militarized, and should protecting trade outweigh other issues? we'll put that to our guess. first, this report from my hobby. what's that? british owed cargo ship island is the latest merchant ship to be targeted by humans receivables just days earlier. another u. k registered ship, the ruby mail was hit. it now stands at risk of sinking in the gulf of 8 and of

these strikes in the red sea are hiring efforts to protect the maritime car door that connects europe and the mediterranean to asia. the european union has approve the establishment of defense naval admission to work alongside us led coalition. so far, the pentagon says it's operation and the region has been successful in protecting cargo ships sailing through what has become perilous waters. do some of the missiles get through every now and then? yes, we've seen that happen. but for the majority of the time, our, our engagements have been successful. our allies engagements have been successful. and we know the importance of this wide array. we know that 10 to 15 percent of the world commerce was right through here. the u. s. n u k have lunch several is fixed against who's the target in the a minute. but the who these who insist they are targeting ships linked to israel, say they one stop until the end. it's month long. go and gaza this all the way up to charlotte and the senate in support of the posting and people's just cause. and

in response to the american british aggression on our country, the menu who is the armed forces carried out 3 qualitative military operations. the 1st operation was conducted by the missile force and the unmanned aerial vehicles of the many armed forces targeting zionist enemies in southern occupied power starting was allowed hostilities in the red sea significantly affecting global trade with european shipping companies. feeling the pinch ships being rerouted to avoid the suez canal, increasing transit times and costs. but experts are skeptical additional military intervention will due to the rainy infect, who sees the fact that the united states is designated hudy's, the terrorist organization and europeans are coming to this move at the same time, will leave the hoodies to increasingly view the us britain in europe all in one block, and that will lead to more tax on european ships. the also had the embry, which the recap, live carrier also finding itself at risk. do i just in the past from you for hours?

so war tax or you have to cancel there's no fees have previously said that you can see that the strategy if more humanitarian aid was allowed into gaza, but was no seized by incite the and more countries sending the naval ships to the region. concerns are growing about the impact of a fully militarized rate. see my, i haven't looked at it. oh, to 0 for inside story. the. all right, let's go and bring in our guests and on correct the tool go on a cash. she's a researcher at entre university and examines golf, foreign policy, security, stretch strategies and political culture and singapore. stop ro, scott. i'm pretty this head of the maritime transport research group at the university of plymouth. and then london found items to me, a research fellow with the middle east and north africa program at chatham house. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. find out,

let me start with you today. the us and the u. k. a one several airstrikes against pro, with the targets in yemen in order to try and stop these attacks on ships. but the who is the say that they won't stop their attacks until israel ends. it's war on gaza. will additional military intervention actually to turn the earth these yes. what, how much? thank you for having this 1st and foremost and a 2nd. i think that overall i share your concern. i'm very but that the, that i'd see is becoming noted mostly because of a blog that is about to spill over. and i think that is something we have not yet seen. the consequences of it that he sent a select by the united states sunday. united kingdom obviously have been a qualitatively targeted specific troubleshooting asylum areas and other military capabilities. but i have a huge thought that they would actually be a bit to actually stop the healthy attacks on that, i'd see or make a fundamental military a does a military defense in

a country like yemen. let's not forget to young men is $44.00 times bigger than 11 and, and obviously the hunting capabilities have been savvy and they have developed and it would be extremely, i used to think that this new attacks under i'd see a basically develop since october 7. they have read the more than anyone thinks, actually for the maritime effects. and i think the, we have not seen even half of what they are a bit as a to do in that they've got so obviously, no, i don't think that would make a fundamental difference. now the way that the technician of the hotel is as an um, to go to buy the united states. in fact, it would have a account that are productive. and i think the big quote here right now is what you have is youtube's position in the middle, which is the same thing. also another a position, but call and get to the defense one better than an attack. when i think that the attempt to have a thin line between that i can, you know, and,

and put that thing internationally by the time will come into this to the next few days. and i think that it will not be as a clean, as your pope's ultimately at one point someone will be killed from the holidays or the other end. and then it will start sending you around the $54.00 i and a facebook face was more or less from the focus and which and i think we are going to see a bit to love the days i had done that. i'd see i'm pushing up to the, to the us and u. k. are also launching a multinational force to project trade of you is now going to be joining that as well. from your perspective. does that mean that the red sea is now becoming fully militarized? so it's a difficult question because i think the problem here at the end of the problem here, how the rest of the countries, especially the ones who are heavily using this vote for international commerce commodity quote. because my, the direct from who these since 201415,

they actually paused inside the human. whether this, the expectation that tuesday is long, they are gonna try to security off international covers. and what was the expectation of international? i mean countries or public opinion on, on the side of the human. so in terms of militarization since it's the pipe, i mean, really critical, rolled off the rates. and since it's at the heart of the world, the commercial volt, which might affect other volts of the international commerce as well, we might see further implications of floor fear about as the previous speaker mentioned. i don't think this is gonna prevent any other effects for food. these the read the because the purpose of index is actually to get more attention from the international countries as who is being a more global actor or, or pulling down cells as a global actor. rather than an actor on the merging in the human or functioning in

the and so this is why even if we have thursday sion on the side of the best in progress, this is going to be more efficient on the aspect of protein. so this will be a 0 sum game rather than a game which is going to bring for the piece, the rest, the to stop rows. i just want to take a step back for a moment to look at the larger picture here. if you could just talk our viewers through the consequences so far that these hostilities are having when it comes to global trade and, and what those, those consequences might be for global trade longer term. thank you very much for coming to mohammed 1st of all and thank you very much for the question. and what we're seeing so far is that we have seen a reduction by 40 percent of the vessels passing through this is coming out. so it means that there's the buses by using this for this kind of island. that's why you see on a daily kind of basis recently versus being composers. and of course, us by the guy certainly are not formations,

nearly 10 percent of the global traders passing through. so there's come out. and of course, having an impact there. you know, we're having a 5 percent inbox in the over global operations of the amount of time sector. but the thing is that we have to stay also take a step back and see who needs to do what this company. as you may know, the bottom i cannot is facing some problems because of the new and there's also having a 40 percent dropping terms of the crossing some of the vessels passing through the actual associates holistically. yes, the overall systems are having some problem in terms of supply chain. but to be frank, so far we've seen that that kind of reacting ok, you know, we're not having some mixing. that's what we have seen in terms of the companies, for example. yes, there is some inflated inflection in, in the over freight rates. so the phrase rates have increased for nearly 1000 years dollars a box. and people are a peak who shot back to nearly 2000 years dollars. but that's look at a store 50 foot compared back to what's happened and by can call it. does we have

$5000.00? here's dollars for containers moving from asia to get them, i think is something and dissipated. yes. so i can book for whatever it as it gets you pulled up and is a satellite, you complicated, probably not the most of the supply chains. and it's, it shows that we have to do additional insurance. we have to use uh, other issues as well. so it's not a very black and white concert, it's kind of like a central park kind of thing. but causing to over logistics operations and mental i, i saw you reacting to some of what stopped for us was saying there's, i want to get your perspective on this as well. i mean, how much damage is all this doing to global trade? how much do these for, with the attacks and the red sea jeopardize international commerce right now to is the notes from the records and as the speak, previous speaker mentioned uh, from a brother perspective, learned unhelpful speak to national commerce at the moment i have, i mean, v directing, they are rolled from the rest the and the problem here is this,

these things can happen. there might be another issue, $2.00 to $3.00 director role. but the problem here in the rest, the, the don't know how long this is gonna take to make sure that the rest the space for international commerce. so the problem here is the, is that there is no time limit. we don't know then or how will these are going to answer your attack. so then having to national companies or all these organizations been wrong, they run this companies hope they are going to insure to trade. so there's a time problem. the other problem, the scope of the effect, so we don't know how much the other international countries or regional countries are going to involved with this. because the know once there's no figures on interrupt the, there will be further problems. there might be further from those in the heart of africa or for the other got smaller keys, who would like to see your money in a stable and secure zone. once we have all this is happening in the it's already unstable into region. so this is why is not only to the timeframe,

but also the scope. and the intensity of the attacks might change the regional dynamics. but let me ask you how much of what the her with these are doing now is about essentially the her with these wanting to command more attention on the world stage. how much is all of that playing into this? so it's definitely that a man goal actually this is of at the tentative for them to a project about regionally and internationally after they see that have finished the project and get domestically. let me add those. so to what the last to speak, i say that i think that would be fuel long term impacts of these ethics. 2 of them, of domestic on 2 of them outside dom domestically speaking we have, we will have a huge and crisis in one of humans. most of 5, a few minutes to strategic goods, which is fishing as an industry that will have an impact for tens of thousands of families. and obviously the 2nd part of this will have is an impact of some of the

prices of food and insurance. the i'm and as i come to the overall, which is already have been a problem due to the water and many other factors for the last 10 years extensively . i think what this was do in the long term is it, well, 1st of influenza inspired other groups of the other end of the heart of africa in the sense of even the criminal gang smart just ideology kind of groups. but by to see me, a lot of other things that i think the damage that is supposed to be done, because especially when it comes to motor time security and when it comes to insurance and shipping. first and foremost, it's about perception. and i think that tax have destroyed the perception in many ways. the other aspect that we'll have on the long term is this is the thought about as difficult right now is how do you not engage relatively with the how it is, but also don't let them get away with this? because there is no guarantee that if they get away with this

a tax but and fee is whether them or the add on in. so anyone else can do the same with that. see. and then it becomes kind of a hostage bullying cause on the long that is a problem. and i think the how does definitely have a lot of domestic motives for it that have a lot of ideological motives folder. and obviously, if this comes through all so help the long specifically i a, the international of the pollution of the got, then that's actually nothing either a bad idea for them. but 1st and foremost, this is probably the 1st opportunity to an offensive global if they market and the position themselves right now, you know, in wall street in london and sing about an every where they will not head off in the best. it's fabulous, here to fight. are there talk about the fact that these saying that the earth is want to have an impact on the global market, essentially right now with these attacks, i want to ask you, cuz you mentioned the global supply change, it's a few moments ago in your previous answer. what effect is all this having right now

on the global supply chains and, and how much does this ultimately increase the cost for it for shipping companies? and also when is there the knock on effect that the consumer will face when it comes to increase and prices? mm hm. but i think that it was more of a so the question just to clarify, even though you may believe especially, and that's the one you just ask, is about the global supply chains. my, my gut feeling says up for the global supplies in spain, but we will be medium of because we see that the moment that's just varies. i mean, but the freight rates have increased. we're talking probably be part of the increase in terms of cost for moving that kind of go of 2 percent. and the if will come down to the general level again, if we start thinking about conners like egypt or to me that in hand companies, which approximately, approximately the costs want to be in a deeper. and then they, they impact is big because i don't forget, that's uh, you know, the north futile, for example, when we're talking about a 30 percent davis, if occasion by the, for talking about sab places like that here. so they're going to find at least these as a diversification is much further for,

for the one lane is coming from asia detecting so as on odds even further to the overall cost at the foot. talking about the global picture. you know, i'm single brother moment 70 percent of the global trades is in, in that asia trade. so it's not passing. in other words, through sort of that i'd say by, of course the other 50 percent has been affected because don't forget because at bonham i cannot was praising the same problem. so i looked at the kind of go that was as going for these because of the united states and his boss, a mentor buster there and see. and i was pushing to the cape of good call. so the site is causing another additional, i mean, back to the us as well and kind of the but to we know that there, with these are involved in negotiations with saudi arabia or formerly in the war in yemen. from your perspective, do the who with these believe that these attacks are going to give them more leverage at the negotiating table with saudi arabia. thank you. how much for bringing this up? so this is the 90 problem now in the regional politics because we know how these

are climbing. i mean they, they, they would like to wrong or move the wider part of the young men. so not only the one they will at the moment, but they would like to go further am and still to do this and to be the let go forth. and am i to be international lady called noised. they need to be in a negotiation table. the baltic, the and if they have this barbara in the rest, the if they feel like international public opinion is seeing them as a new book coming for something to do, at least even if they're already called nice as a terrorist organization. this is a broadening front for them for them a so this is going to make them more powerful the negotiation table. because if you, as a text on your mind, if there's more conflict happening in yemen or in the board of you, my name's read. see, this is not going to make gcc molnar keeps happy because they would like to see a stable your mind. this is why they actually start the military intervention. this is why haven't been done on and she did all these policies towards the amounts. so

this negotiation table is critical for her teeth 1st for they are domestic position to increase their leverage inside the mind as a, as, as almost the components of you have any society or political scott at the moment. secondly, in terms of regional policies, there has to be an issue between how these are installed these, of course, because they're had, they has that they had the war. but also the data on all the year on is the supporting partner of i also want to use who do i mean, the aim of policies is not to be a proxy of it on only stabled like to be upfront, but to ally of your own about the purpose is not to be on the proxy, it's more like the lego cover of the human voice corporate thing. but you know, so if they have a powerful handy the negotiation table is going to help down the road. so you don't and that i mean, the rest of the or the so the needs and layered source of power to be powerful

against 2 regional hydro money and to the sake of the, or international or the completion of course to side or the hers. these had said before that they'd reconsider this strategy. if more humanitarian aid was allowed in 2 guys, i want to ask you if you think that that's a likely scenario. and if more, humanitarian aid gets into gaza, or if there were to be another, sees fire, which of course doesn't look a minute right now would that stop these attacks? i don't want to get into the games, but i do, john, one of the things that the hotel is when they acted like on this, on, on attacking that it see, they do believe that they're helping because of the way, the factual world that said through i know is a different conversation and obviously with the health is like every other. yeah. many sides. i think um, the tools of conflict resolution to supplies, which is no one good stewing too much and then everyone's on it gets to be kept. so

definitely walking out of some sort of an aide towards the obviously also because the heard is few that have got to what they want out of the specially that from the, to the, in my opinion with the change. because also it will end up being the what i dennis the human is if something does that stops on, the hotels don't stop, there is no gosh, and i, they have for that domestically, even among the eyes of their own support this i do think that actually what might also happen, but with minds can make a difference in the house. the behavior is if solve the actually asked them to stop . because big about the right now of the house, the math to at that that it see is because they see that have secured the deed was solved. there may be a no matter what they do or don't do or miss. do they have that delta d for granted? then for sure. so we'll solve that. i'd be a waiting that would probably make a difference. i think even before heads up, however, the entire regional and international response to human to the house is aside from

bumping them like the us. and that you have being one of 2, either trying to play the game of we told you so which has been to your am to solve the position to the west the you, we told you. so we told you, so thing is about the head of this, which is a pretty much what i'm child discount to say the least on it has sort that it's on that increments to stay safe. like the chinese, the products, the use of others to have done that, the hope is in a different deals under the table. oh no. obviously they didn't get up and the trying to not say anything because of the optics leg, jordan and egypt. and because obviously they don't want to look like they have 5 different portion of doing something. what it was that and that at that, so invited to a friend does have made that agent an international. you're going to act in a totally function of the way of totally opposing way is absolutely helping the hoses. and i think that we continue to happen anyways, not just on palestine insulated issues, but so many phones in the me that is,

i think nothing would remain the same post october 7th. and that applies even to the other the, for the giant, the speed we already have had to sell the house is they both have hope that things will continue. but i doubt that will continue to be the same even estimate of the stops. and even if the motor of both these stop that, that's the one that it's cheap, we will not be able to go back and do the same at engine. and the u. n. was hoping to do after the solve is handed them an agreement with the hope this ought to be better than agreement between the house is on the other side. before october 7th stopped. it was, it looked like you were nodding along to some of what side are, was saying there, it looked like you want to jump in. so i'm going to give you a chance to do that. but i also want to ask you, what would full militarization of the red sea look like going forward? oh, that sounds very interesting questions. i have to be honest with him because he's ation will be over him, said i bro. lucy can voice going up and down. of course i'm having us on the 7 of

my time security, the expense of them coming into my group. that seems to be slightly difficult at that moment by you know, us more and more forces on mobilizing debbie region. maybe that would be probably the case and of course, you know, that's cool. probably a bit of the complexity because you know, you have to have convoys of the vessels going from one point to another. yes, it's going to be fast and by, you know, we, we have to make the combustion at the end of the day over the, over the course of having a convoy system running on one side, some coffee tree navigation from the cape of good hope. so, you know, from what i'm hearing from the expert. so that's the way that you adjusting the viewing is like, if it doesn't seems to be like a nice situations ordering from a place for the future. and of course, you know, i don't want to just come piece of this on the fact that, you know, these are a little bit lower zone over the nice around spring and kind of increase. so, you know, we have to keep in mind that every time the vessels are passing through the agent, they have to pay a lot of money to insurance premiums. uh uh you know, it does,

it seems to be a nice way to go forward cuz she thing, especially if we have inflation in most of the european boundaries. and that is not helping the economies to, to boost and to go forwards. but to looking at the red sea um, russia had also shown interest in establishing a naval base of port sedan. and in 2021. that essentially didn't go through and i wanna ask you what else is going on in the area that showcases just how important a route that it is. so the role of, i mean the, the side of international commerce is already, i mean, discussed in the show about let's, let's full more of a on the aspect of mr. involvement. the nova, you, you has moved. surveys is on the side of front of africa and on the borders of, i mean the many is the site the have, as you mentioned, the involved with the terms of fresh or the for the fresh out to be involved with the military prisons and uh, in the side of the world,

we have turkish involvement in the front of our food, cutting the sub saharan africa. so we have is really and chinese in roland there and we have other interest international companies, especially rest and partners, who are personally diary they are mr. prisons or with some part of the local actors in terms of providing uh, stability and peace in the region, especially for the far enough off because we just connecting rest the with um with them. and so this is definitely an internationally target uh for many states to be visible into politics, to make sure that they are military relations, are good with the local officers to make sure that the already a safe from the turn them or any act of i mean further problems or conflict, but um, the thing is going on at the moment is actually bringing the off the man to the

globe. so we knew that there were a near my people knew that there's a war in your mind. they knew that as put in security, more than 10000000 people are in secure with the you're a supply full supply. but what's happening in the red sea right now roll more it into the many more as well. the old, all this is happening and it's really changing the dynamics of maybe international commerce and the security a front seat. i thought this is gonna bring further attention for the sake of human needs to slide what they are. think since 2015 or even before they, they might need, they might get more attention. so there might be heard the real actions that you're suffering are. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests, but to go on a cash cypress. got them pretty this and found out it must be me. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just do it.

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