the task to satisfy the legal was life trade loses its survival skills, but re discovering them is possible with the little house a park ranger facing retirements grapples with the prospect of re assimilating himself to city life. monkey man, a witness documentary on a jersey, the heavy fighting and the democratic republic of congo is forced hundreds of thousands of people to free for their lives. the conflicts between the government, the m 23 fights is escalated in recent weeks. so what's driving all this and some piece be changed, this is inside the hello. welcome to the program on a tree instead of going to a humanitarian crisis is developing in the democratic republic of congo,

an escalation and fighting between government forces and the m. 23 on the group in the northeast of the country is fueling regional tension. and it's led to hundreds of thousands of people arriving in the regional capital, goma and such a food, water, and shelter. the situation is expected to watson when you and please keep us withdrawal from the country at the end of the leaving many vulnerable at risk of salvation and violence. so what's driving this conflict? i'm term lost in peace, be achieved in the democratic republic of congo. i'll just here is catherine. so a sentence this report from a camp to displaced people in goma. we are on a comfortable display. see for us here in go my best several. com costed across the city. we have been talking to people who have been sleeping this conflicts between government forces and, and we,

we have also been talking to aid would cuz was saying that they are overwhelmed about the needs which are so many, 1600000 people have sofa been displaced and since this closely started about 2 and a half now the whole now between the rebels and government forces is in a town called sac to this town is very significant because it's a get to way in to go my to about to 25 kilometers away. from goma and government forces are trying to push the rebels away from that area that is useful for them. there's been a lot of international pressure on all sides. yes, the thing and go back to me the ation. it's going to be very interesting to see how

that plays out, because f lots by regional sales. and what, what this means is that people in conflict this, i'm going to continue suffering with no and insights, customer and story inside story. the as well to get an idea of how the conflict is likely to one soul that son to the minister of communication and media spokesman for the government of the democratic republic of congo. patrick, well, yeah, jo joins us from the capital contrasts. i could tell you with this patrick, once you'll government strategy for dealing with the m. 23 is the strategy. it simple for us, the infinity to doesn't exist, infinity tree the offer and then go ahead and match the present made that point 2 years in our last meeting in the front office and kind of, i mean, not necessarily about the government, the companies government is working at all, and do which we can continue to dream payments in one of the humble which needs to

your staples, what you have to do. what creates witnessing the press, the tools as anthony to fighting each was a one academy using ease as true. first started a new scene, a shilling, some myspace, a game shifting, some markins. that's what, what we have seen last week at the present. mid that point here, we want to bring back in this part of the or cd we paint. but if you want to go back to go to the so we need to wear one there, and step was big thing the as we meant we made, especially in one that i'm 2722 as no power to decide those thoughts blamed on. because for the anthony tree, they've been was clear, they have to be these armored. they have to be to accept the con, the 9th, and then they have to accept it will be stationed that the on the issue, we span, we want name. we, we have for an equal should resend that one last name clear. but the m 20 stream

doesn't exist. you just said that they need to be to solve. what is your government doing to stop or to advance a political settlement here and who would be involved in between the steel government? what even ensure that. ready for the m 23 as well as i was telling you the full m 22 doesn't exist is why i'm then go for it and using buffet and the most important for us to talk directly. we fund that and i talking to those for but it's clear that they did the governor position on what change on that? sorry. that's why they're present, i think is dropping tomorrow for one to to meet again. was the place up. look into what was the dimension united this that'd be about between the present just to give them your present gave me to see what else i can do to start uh, effective to be at a 3 month thing. the agreement, anthony 3, is just a small part of the conversation. he's a proxy use it for a while, and i to be like the face of the baltimore,

the on the waiting or from the or does massacre the after meeting a guess. commodities populations, do i lose a very innocent people? so the insurance carrier be going to talk, we find that to know why present government is continued to do. an awful position is continue, which is and on. i mean there are resources that the main reason and often as well . and there isn't one is to stop is dying and 400. what is your government then doing for the displaced people in the northeast of the country in the east of the country. the people course out in this facing, what's your government's under contract, people, you know what, what year what we're doing is basically for peach storage used to use. one of the things we can do is to bring that piece and it goes, if you want to solve the issue of distressing this best fitness present paypal is to get them back in the risk of just barre. yeah, the way they can continue what they've been doing before his activities that think of assessing them. yeah, i think we some of our popular,

especially in united states age. i'm going to provide e mind at the end for dr. is placid by the woods seeing here is to make united states in order with some countries news, but a sanction, a guess, or one and 400. so they can start useful. and then from there they move in. when we make sure we get back, this will be the issue of what are they needing before. what i'm doing now is to provide some policies to provide some assistance. but these as these tend to want to be a really a solution for those people, they need to go back in their respective area. and we think that you want to reach this one for store we for this, but actions from funding governance inside our country. we wouldn't be able to do that. all right, so buddy's excellent for being with us. that's perfectly either and contrast, so thank you so much. so we've heard what the government in contrast to has to say about the conflict and alex here, some of the perspectives lawrence,

can you across, is the political spokesman of the rebel march 23 movement, also known as m. 23. he jones just now from the eastern democratic republic of congo from cape town, south africa, with joint part, crystal otis. and the journalist of africa report from the veteran africa commentator joined from nairobi by fred bama, who is the executive director of over tele, an independent congress research institute, focusing on politics, governance, and violence. let's start with the lawrence. what did you make of what we heard from the governments? folks posted there, our inventory, 3 just puppets, of the land and government. this is the lack of knowledge. both we are and the company they're supposed to. yes about the editor, the free is a good one. of these organs this to that sign, it that we may get to government on december to do in the we've gone to the community both for the brought municipal

united nation. so i think july and all the international partners we went into detail. so we spent 14 months of videos to go with the team that present it just took a base for us to discuss it all for that and to give it up to the lady at the additional sound of the governors to come today say to the office of wanda we are who are these that how it goes. we've been asking the yes the government to discuss to have been done to resolve the causes of the cause that making our country have been a soccer. ready was working and dig into how they find the piece, you know, let's bring in a crystal or something in case of what do you make of, of, of what you've heard so far. crystal, the adrian of south africa has about 3000 troops. federal heading to the d,

r c. they've seen a specialist unit, and already we've had body bags returning to south africa. in fact, just the suite came to soldiers that were killed in the move to attack the bodies arrived, so it's becoming a domestic issues. but of course, the south african troops, a part of a scientific mission to the d. r. c, which consists of south africa. i'm a law we and times in the. and i have spoken to south african diplomats and officials, both within the army and diplomatic officials, and they add them in south africa as part of a peacekeeping mission. they want the drug see, to have peace, but cannot afford conflict. the continent cannot afford conflict. now, one could argue at times of africa, and it might be perceived as having a non eve kind of viewpoint of peacebuilding use makes the sooner we get is time to bring different policies together. but so that's what gets really involved in the d r c. since the 1990s, in fact, for president nelson mandela in 1998,

you know, hurt the coal soft lowering could be less senior, the late northern could be low cost and he had in fact um, you know, dealt with the wanda and somebody who, you know, one to 2 seem to be done a full space. and so for south africa, it is absolutely puts in that, that this piece in the d r c piece in the east stuff come go. they of course, um, as part of southern which is a, you know, a mule. um, one of the old regional bodies in africa. i'm so this is the siding mission and they want ultimately for the d r c and to the one to come together and find a peaceful solution to what's happening in the east for from a a. what is the pricing itself looked like now in the east of the country? is there a coordination between the, on the groups that are fighting in both people who's, who's facing who right now? i mean, how powerful is the and $23.00 is a fighting force compared to say, the congolese ami. i mean, who is fighting? who is a, is a, is a good question. um,

because on one side you have to go with this government. of course we have uh the support of uh, of this admission uh of, uh, yeah, huge range of for me this is called the uh, was an endo and also the, the, the you and keeping force and, and missionaries, and the, and the other side. you clearly have um, mtv drops and um, and the quote inconvenience. so uh several if know, 1000 of a front entrance there at the end of the underground. but i think um, just to emphasize what i've heard and we're about to go st. go. so the, the, the, the cost request to use it because specify, so this valdez is on its own people and who have been displaced by media. and since the beginning go of this conflict. and people who wants peace and people who are the last thing as an attorney, as a temp, is that we bring back

a big guys back to as we've seen in 2012. and as we have seen right now. uh and, and did the, uh, what's called a government and other group at facing and you said you're seeing around grandma is more than entity fee. it says ronda. and it says provide many other countries that are supporting the i'm 20 feet and that's uh, making all this conflict becoming slow. the uh, the less it completely is conflict, but more and more general original conflicts, lawrence view, and special representative to the region briefing. the un security council reported but serious human rights violations of being committed in areas on the m 23 control, but at least a 150 people killed since november all m. 23 fights is a part of that. what are you doing to stop it? i basically have to go ahead as so many students that have been said and

is action against damage and degree, which i know go ahead without the motor, basically on track. the dream gets it in the afternoon to pray when the next 44 votes, and today, 10 years, we have 256 groups according to not to mention a set of states. so all of the talking about the under buttons, but true, but we did it on the populations were done by the groups that i'm now part of did you see that recording what that ended up? i'm groups that when it school supposed to 5 and they are getting the d i see. so basically the difficult, straight, the 25th is not a sports support for all this crap. okay. that's been set by french we. i have a good one. bye bye. okay. find out about any of the most important. what about lawrence? what about the 80 s which has been accused of of human rights violations?

how much control over the 80 asked as being 23 have in the area is understandable because of the max. sometimes missing some differences, becky, not, but if i understand, but in the area, the answer to frequent pro there's no guidance of of human rights abuses, the human why i visit happened. yeah. so you can talk there. yes, we seen in a go law where i'm to administer to people where your for the live by the, by the but it, but for, for this process. oh, well, that's spring and crystal. once again, crystal, you, you mentioned fedex and the forced the south african force on, on the ground, how to regional international actress contribute to or either exhausted, basically, mitigating the conflict. i mean, what is south africa's view? is it committed to bringing peace to the region? a lot or who replaces this you and force which is on the ground right now is just

used to leave at the end of the absolutely, i do and, and that's, you know why these also some confusion until, you know, when ease of the forces the, you in forces withdrawing. how will the 2 missions work in sync with another? because of course, as i mentioned beside the commission, consists of south africa attends india and malawi. so i think so firstly again, um, so it's not the 1st time that south africa is in the d r. c. it's been they since post a hot date um, 1994 of course, 1998 was told the president of nelson mandela. and then it was also part of recognition in 2013 that actually broke the policies to give it and that's the spokesperson had mentioned um, but i think this time around, they facing much more the foot to right. and as we put um from the various parties, and these are concerned domestically, adrian, that you know, as much as we have well trained troops on the ground that might not be enough.

we've already had body bags arriving back in south africa. we've also had a few weeks ago, so you know, some of our most trained, highly trained on me officials also coming under a tech when they were flying a helicopter to you in hospitals. so i'm this concerned domestically that south africa's including the terrain. and as all previous because said that could you know, engulf the entire region. however, south african officials are still adamant that they are part of a southern commission. they've been tossed by the regional body to be part of the schools to bring about peace, south africa as long time and see what the agenda of peaceful being of getting different bodies together. but i think it's a bit more complicated. we've heard from government spokesperson, we've heard from human rights organization that the human rights violations happening on the ground just absolutely. that's the, it was stating with the continuing of displacement. and so i think the concern is

that he's beside african troops, really of the lead this mission was malawi intends in the and the most importantly, do they have the financial resources and adequately kaufman to actually deal with the different ripple groups that are operating in the east. fred, how, how dangerous is the situation right now? could it escalates into a, a regional? well, i think we, we, we own most. yeah. um we have um the, as a key enrollment of rolanda. there is a, um, an additional uganda being involved. so i was i for you guys have casualties and burundi is very involved. so. ready we, i think we uh, already um, uh, on the, on the e, both of original war and there is a need to de escalate. so they, they quickly, but i also like to uh to say something on, on the human rights violations in the human rights situation. and you send

d r 6. i think its careful for everybody. uh the rest of the additions. and the thing is this item there sent yeah, i see that the m 20 for you has committed no style of human rights. not admission this uh in this, um, incursion of the movement as well as in 2013 and tentative. went through with their uh we, we had, we had um, demarco that they committed in, into share and bundle. um there is a lot of schools that are being attacked there is uh, hospitals that been looted um and especially the women and kids who died. and because of course it was as of these conflicts. um, it is easy enough uh for, for people in this region to they, they've been in during this for years. i think it's time for this country to and, and it's time for m p t for this group does keep recycling themselves. seems at

1996 at least to, to end different lawrence, what would it take for them? $23.00 to sit down with the government in contrast to is it the interest of integrating as uh, the c o with us for the, the da da as the government or the not really the saying that for, for, for don't to just that we need to have that data? yes, the government to discuss some of them out to solve the root causes of the companies that either or the time just ask one of the country, but i have to go back to one of the gentleman just say just now this or this stuff you say dental thing, this is that just about done the voice of the government because the answer to, as i said, was in a heads up from the 2013. and we came back here. all the crimes that done before that done by the people with that. and now the d r. c, government army,

so we're talking about to share. so as you say it see wasn't, it was just wondering what was the issue. is there any over anybody does that don't, don't do feet. i've done that kind of stuff that just let me know it's not every day. so, so the fees calling on international for me to come and stop old people, the message, whether your money doesn't question is a bus to go to. so many people are sleeping outside the ds. a government is supporting from every single day, like a digital moisture given to the women and the people. this is what we're talking about. they're really things which is what i've done. so we are recording an international community to act right now because of the conversation. democracy is really huge and come up for do you want to come back on that? there is a little bit of a desk of muscle graves in, in uh, in your own decision. and we can go on and on. and there was also, it was also every day. so uh, a few days in it before. uh and oh,

this is a lot of uh, entity i said use uh no as knows exactly what i'm talking about. there is also a vanessa of of i'd be touring, you keep things in, in areas where i'm 20 fi controlled and i'm not say that the go go with is government is perfect and doesn't mean human rights violation. but in, in the, in the, in this call, feet key, any entity fee is responsible for many and by save human rights. so listen, creating an area that is, it is controlling what is, what is, what makes this situation complicated. it is also that people are tired of this. um, these are awesome. every time people have uh what they call the roots causes of golfing to what they go above to take to taking guns. and every time it's

actually put the twist, the made people to them to figure out, trying to, to, to protect, at some point people empty for you and other who needs to still, uh, just going back to, to uh, military resources. this is ways of uh, resolving the problem and fee because actually the way to protect defense communities in d r c for uh for, for, for long and not only put nothing, not put in its risk. the very, very people. yeah. pretending to defend this disconnect because today and they can not bring a piece tomorrow and may be one less thing for the school sick as low as, as a, from san to pay and, and the 1st enter the fee. every time randa, we'd throw it supports to him, tend to feel to send it to the group ended. so this time again to go, i think the colors governments and come with his people,

right to say ronda should be pushed and pressured to re throw it into project. that will be up to you. i'll come back here in just a moment on, on this issue. of orlando, but 1st crystal as we drove to a close, a lot of the some potential avenue useful are good. okay. lawrence, very quickly. i'll give you a 30 seconds. okay. yeah, i'm saying to the junk demand replied to the junk demand. does fleming stopped on the outside the country? we are going to go on? we'll have all the n g o is that guy here? that's not his every single day. that did yes to go. all right, he's the one going to be plans in a moment. we stood as so many times that it, yes, the government should be judge, but times it gets amenities. they won't crash. i'm trying to free for many, many times, for people to come to do as drug investigation, funky, she, we, the more we say come over, we're going to go to get the doors to get you or to get the never came to our

discipline. i just the voice of the government, it put back on the end of that star, defend you. in all the organizations are close to the gospel. we're going to get the crystal at some potential avenues for cheating, lasting peace and stability in the region are all there any um what, what, what obstacles are standing in the way? well, listening to the employees, we spoke smith spokesperson, adrian, you can clearly yeah, there's a lot of obstacle, but i think on the serious note that, you know, from the south africa's a vantage point, presidential candidate is be elected president of the country. and he has cooled that he wants peace in the east. he's also of course, accused of the wonder of supporting that in $23.00 rebels. and we know the one that's denied this. um, but i think, you know, from the vantage point from a down south is that basically the fact you have to bring the weaving parties to give us it has happened before. it's happened, the 2013. what happened?

the 1998. and so they do use the us that you have to bring these parties together to get lost the piece. however, the troops, the southern commission will be on the ground for one year before radiate casualties. one can only hope that the resources will be the full, both the malawi in pennsylvania and the south african troops. and of course, a mission of a peace, a peacekeeping mission is to do kind of get some peace. but so far we've seen more to attacks. and so one would hope that the different parties will actually realize that the construct con, continue and the human rights violations con, continue. and the last thing piece is the early on. so i'm full of that part of the world, but i'm afraid we've, we've got a minute left or they were when the, which of course continues to, to deny that it supports the m $23.00. anyway, what's, what's it going to take to bring peace to the region and for when to, to with drawers support for him. 23 ronda to be very simple. it's,

i think it needs to be patients, but by many countries that type of thing they, they, they, u. k. a for, as the us china now and, and, and other countries. that's what the president to the run the government. but to debate these, to the i see it is not only about sitting in the table and saying, because they that's it have been tested several times since the beginning of the door. what's the common is government. we have to do it to it's in going to, it needs to be in a non that can do to those kind of things and do the same time work on, on root cause is in, in the time if it's not in 10 will be sent for the net need a solution, the entrance, if he doesn't know, given of a lot of space for, for a constructive discussion among those can i think would that to happen? um the, the support that's in 10 to 1015 right now should seize. thank you all for being

part of our programs with a lawrence kind of your car crystal orders on fred bama and it's part of the beginning, patrick, but yeah, yeah. and thank you for watching so you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. i'll just do a dot com for further discussion. you can join us about facebook page, which you'll find that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can join the conversation on x, i handle the h i inside story for me, adrian, for the team here. we'll see you again, bye for now the this magical facility in the mind, incidents capital, heart to them is a single room that provides health care for dozens of people every day. and it's run entirely by volunteers. for dance health sector is nearly destroyed after 9 months of conflict between the army and the parent minutes for your rapids support

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