the climate of absolute impunity. we challenged conventional wisdom. how does it affect you? how does it affect the community? a sense that message that and the out of bigotry, that a sama for you. but these are acceptable forms of, of hates upfront. what, how does your goals for an immediate cease fire in gaza? i'm growing louder, but he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu remains defined, insisting he's military was backed down until homos is destroyed. so what does that mean for negotiations? and how serious is nothing yahoo about continued diplomatic efforts, they say is inside story, the out of the and welcome to the program. i'm joe now. how old and 30000 palestinians killed tens of thousands more injured warnings of

a common health care system that the u. n says its own, this is on its knees, yet the bottoms keep folding on gaza nearly 5 months since the start of israel's devastating war. there's no laptop in its daily attacks on friday. i'm also announced that some of the captives held in gaza had been killed in his riley strikes catawba, u. s. and egypt to be mediating talks for us these 5. but there a fee is the constant bombardment could threaten those discussions and israel's killing of more than a $100.00 pounds of students, as they scrambled to collect food. aid on thursday is for the threatening to inflame the region. but prime minister benjamin netanyahu insists his ministry offensive will go on until these goals are achieved. we've already discussed with guests. but 1st, this report from when we consume sharif mexico at the time of talk sort of ceasefire. optimism about negotiations for the possibly troops in causal interrupted by the killing of more than one to palestinians on

testing as to be to, to collect food. many of the victims were taken to casa cities, barely functioning, our ship, a hospital, o u n team that met some of the victim says many of those they soul have suffered gunshot wounds. this hospital is treating more than 200 people that were injured yesterday. you have seen people with john shawn was you have seen up to fees and we'd have seen the children as young as 12 that were injured. yes. street a group safe. thursday's killings undermined the immediate need for the ceasefire as food and supplies can and took off o 5 months of as well as will, has led to a humanitarian catastrophe. a majority of palestinians at displays and stuff in the middle, but the there was a tens child's officially registered in a hospital as having starved to this and very sad threshold similar status to 30000 tests. we reached all over garza and similar like those these uh,

official records the, the unofficial numbers can unfortunately be expected to be higher as well as relentless flights of raising questions about whether it's really prime minister. benjamin netanyahu is even invested in a deal as it's negotiate, as well to find in agreement the negotiations for a cease fire the, the, the, you know, the sticking point. there has always been the end, the game. israel has been adamant that it's going to effectively destroy god, so it doesn't use those words, but we, we see what they're doing on the ground. we, we hear the rhetoric coming out of is really political circles. they want to make life on livable. they're trying to ethnically cleansed browser as part of their so called greater israel plan, as long as that remains their intent. there's just not a lot of incentive for, from us, uh to, to agree to, to agree to a deal. as well as bombing campaign is also costing you the lives of captives

headed in vasa. the military being of high miles kaufman, forget, says, is really s flags can 7 captives being held in district. the group planes is rarely a tax for the depth of more than 70 of the $150.00 estimate. the captive still hasn't garza, the families have been demanding these really government to move to help them from and as to nothing. yeah. who's wound looming, salt and ruffle, is inevitable. after forcing more than a 1000000 palestinians to shelter and shouting, there will be even more suffering and destruction forgot. so let me go some shoddy . i'll just see the 4 inside story the as well, let's bring it out. guess now in terms of easier, see, bailey inform is really minister of justice who initiated negotiations of the also piece the codes here in the abraham frat associated professor of conflict

resolution at the institute and also in the mohammed to chicago, a professor of conflict resolution and diplomacy at george mason university. i will welcome gentleman to you or we are talking essentially about talks. now we know that around 10 days ago in paris negotiations took place with senior representatives of the us, katasha, egypt, and israel. that those talks with constructive enough that talks continued here in the involving hamas as well with egyptian and category. media is shuttling between we know the broad outlines of a deal up to 6 weeks of oppose in the fighting 40 captives to be released for around 400 prisoners, a ratio of one to 10, the repositioning of somebody's reinforces and the return of some palestinians to their homes in the gaza strip, but we have no deal as yet. you'll see bailey,

let me put the question to you in its most straightforward terms. is israel a little more particularly than nothing? nothing. yeah. who government, serious about talks to end this war? it talks to, to and this will also show, i mean, no government day is, is going to have an end, let's say, well, if you asked me about the current is rarely government and it's at the to do with the 2 state solution. my answer will be very different that a i a, i hope that it won't take too long. i mean, president biden said the yesterday that the night did take place at the beginning of the beginning or from a done on the 10. so i'll say mileage, and apparently these are the, the iphones, that the question, so the about the length of the line and the, the number of a, of the listing in a dental rece. the would be exchanged a for a, keeping

a state easily keeping it. and so on, but they do, they place the question again is what the doing the ceasefire. it would be possible to talk with about these also about the much bigger solution for our problem and even even day with crises eval in between user and bodies. dns, dns, a 48 a may be, maybe it isn't about 200 d to try and talk seriously about a peaceful solutions as you allude, but there's no doubt whatsoever at, within the nothing you know, nothing. you're going to about the position towards a 2 state solution. they have ruled that out explicitly. abraham frat let, let me move on to you. do you believe that negotiations are being conducted in good faith from the is riley sides of how do you see the willingness of how much to

cooperate? oh, absolutely not. there is no good faith and this negotiation there is no trust in this negotiations. i think the solid but major obstacles to a successful seed is fire, basically, and i'm up show what the yahoo bite wing extremist. but then the whole government walks from this negotiations was to do these, all the insulated captives give a, seized by a 4 to 6 weeks only, and then continue the war afterwards to go to the ultimate. that's basically what that is, why you levine and as lady position on this negotiation. now how much who has only this issue of the cap is that they're able to negotiate the why you want mass or any of a part of the would give them a it's only the content that has, which is the captives in order to be after 6 weeks to be at tag again and

continue the war. and now we, we know that buddy is laid in pensions from what we see is basically the mass exposures of the experience and gaza to make guns in have a not happy that will, you know, for the fall of gases, there is about 70 percent of homes and guys, i have been destroyed, the infrastructure has been destroyed all too many and people are displeased. so good luck with the construction and this is not the whole thing. and that, that, that the american, a better solution is not giving cash. what it says above out about 6 weeks, they wouldn't be seized by it. so no one has given cash. what else is best? would it be seized by on it? so that's the reason. i think there is a huge gap between the 2 bought this between buy so i think it will come us until we negotiate in good faith that we have going through these to a better minute ceasefire. sustainable fees via that chances as own

a break it through in this negotiation remains very unlikely in my opinion. okay, well that question of why would, how must negotiate a way the key card is something we will return to, but festival to continue just drawing lip road outline. so this discussion, let me bring it and i'm gonna check holly to look at the international parameters of a deal. the coals growing, if allowed to have a more frequent now from around the world. from europe, from latin america, from africa, from adverb states across the middle east, the coast for an immediate cease fire. to what extent does that pressure do? you think, way on the net on yahoo government so far. i don't know to sound the basic mistake, but let's low got a competitive route pro to we need to differentiate between the process and the

process and go ha, i'm kyle and know in practice. so no one can deny that. is it the monthly process, but a one level can we claim data of some of the pro magic pragmatics? that means their meaning and the results of this process so far? no, because we have a lot of a lost in translation program when we see him either in the hall and what have done what i am sweating when we talk about use for the meaning is simply which is put in the fire. oh, this is the logic, the bases of all fixes, illusion processes and how are the installation the is the, the nothing. yeah, was, is that i don't, i don't know to go that way and i can send it in the maximum speed of true spot open ended pool. this is why we're coming up with a 6 week pause. so far. the, these are the position, houseman, folks shifted from what it was back in late november,

when we had the 1st exchangeable. also, here's the prisoner's thanks to the got the mediation. unfortunately, the white house, the bind that was of watching the hope for the by next week we may have a breakthrough, but unfortunately we're not talking about on just a full 40, isn't i? it is a truthful because my age and this is fine for the rest of the world and also to repeat these options and the auditors are coming out. we're coming together. therefore, i think we, we maintain the process for the weeks to come. but i don't see the line at the end of that the, that means we're not talking about the same. what is it connected for? what the language, which means booking the fire out for good and then shifting thought the league into the model for negotiating between some cost sessions and then what is the policy is gonna gain at this point so far? it has not been this month and i must point them back to us briefly is right. and that then, you know, basically goes to that in this process,

not to read specified on what it meant, but just to find and went out to the hostages of problems. this is the, the, the scene in the holiday, the be, is there any position, therefore, i think there is less, less a lot of it is indeed the need for some bits of negotiated communication. what do we mean when we talk about just fine? okay, well you bring up the by the ministration, of course, the, by the administration, the united states as well as closest allied, conspicuous uh, in the international community for not cooling for an immediate cease fire. there was a resolution possibly coming at the security council for what is described as a temporary humanitarian ceasefire. as soon as practicable, i'm going to ask ya see bailey with the in the and the tease only us pressure that could force the nothing yahoo government to change its calculus from

concentrating not just on a 6 week temporary pause with unknown a follow on. but instead to be looking at something more last to what says the for he feel speaking about pressure, this is why he's not be nathaniel done. you always the legitimate and elected prime minister. but today you have many voice, the many voices in many groups in the easy way. you have the, the security establishment, which is a different use than a and let them, you know, you'll have a, the most of the public opinion. they're going to be copying on thursday of which are not the, the sample people say in it that the out that of he's a be in the position is the, the whole joint, the government, the guns is sold to continue the war though to be fair. a yeah, but the difference is about the how do you manage it?

the next a is steps, but if i do not did states, i think that the point of doing i did states is not that they each of both is the general idea of the east or a be including people like my sense that the main aim is to prevent from us from governing guys in the future. if there is issues, then there is no need to continue this, say well, to continue to less often from the south and, and to people and to be good and whatever. and you, so what happened the other day weekday? when we does these things to these poor people in, in guys though in the 100 people apparently a died. i don't believe that any, but the things that the, these really all me is still daily in order to, to kill them. but these of the, the resides of offsets the such confrontations. and it is not cold the 1st time, regretfully. and we should indeed calling to go on the best way to prevent the

best. what better way to present it is to uh, to, in the small any can be in the weekly. if we, we uh, show that how much is not going to be filed of the, of the morning after. oh god for them guys. uh, mostly both. i wanted to tell him that if you don't mind, i only only in the sense that if that is the simplistic and goal simply to ensure the time us cannot govern the gaza strip. i mean, the nothing you know, who government has put out a one page document suggesting that some unknown groups will simply materialize out of the population and take over that role. i mean, that's not a, that's not a feasible plan. be that the degree we deal with it. it is not a it is not the plan. you didn't call it the plan. it does not is government. it was never confirmed that accepted by the government. i believe that have you broke?

have you brought it to the government? a many, a ministers. i don't know whether my joint or not. well, the rejected deed and the excuse me for saying that these really very unassuming us . these groups are not going to govern guys, is what cannot the, a dress, something like that then they'll can be i, it kinds of, it was the sheep and it before for sold, lied for a year or 2 a week. the main, think of the price to, you know, sorry, be, and then it to should be the price daniel, a, sorry, the old if we haven't by then the but the thing is 30 this evening, but the okay. let's look at how much in order of this abraham proud you say that home us has no incentive to negotiate, certainly not to give up its key code the captives. however, i do want to ask you whether at a certain point the pressure weighs on how much as well,

because we've crossed the 30000 mach now in terms of how students killed in this war. the vast majority of the population living under tremendous pressure within the gaza strip, now facing a shortage of aid facing family and children dying of malnutrition. that incident, we talked about on thursday, absolutely representative of what is happening to palestinian people, ostensibly governed by hamas. at what point does a mazda is calculation change to do something to save the palestinian people? well, let me test the disagree with us have been and overseas said that the goal is to ensure that pam us will not go with them and goes in the following day. this is totally false because how much has already be the ones who question has already announced a lot of times that the exit think? i think about con, garbage. i think the government that's totally outside politics. so

a specialist i kind of makes who would be able to join and one does that, and so that will come out. so this is the solution. if this is the case, the how about the bottom, the bottom as user problem said above design and government at all. so how about says accepted the unit, the government, when the policy that national those are the which is also what the bible wants, the policy the and got so, but the, but on the contrary method now has repeatedly repeatedly said that he's not accepting me, but i must move up the, the policy and also to see that you will see bill and signed the old will agreement with them. it's unfortunate to see you with somebody that he's defending. but then you know, the spiteful, it has these parts of that team at the box. and so you have, uh, do you want to come in on that? know these are different is my make the month mom, it's done by my home. it's done by you'll see please do the really think that

nathaniel i would like me to see to and, and defend him in front of you. i am very thoughtful. i'm about to be. i'm not doing that. i said the whole piece you're going from the molding, be of the abraham. i beg your pardon, let. let's put those issues to one side and could consider them the same for you. now i continue please, because i did look at, you know, why i might go up the method the whole by saying that this is very important because again, it's me the beeping. they said that these about like something given the also you know, going to be and also you are saying that the is not part of the drywall messic on that happened yesterday. though we have new times, we'll see joe done for a watson because all couldn't fair to me that it was due to the app. is somebody

firing on that of what's the flow of domestic good on people? how do people that they're going to do it for the saying that not be able to find out who if i may be, am i think that you'll see was making a slightly different point. i'm saying that they would simply standing there with a pre intention of slaughtering palestinians. let's leave that for the moment to one side. what i want to ask you about abraham is what would make, how must put aside it's preconditions and step in to it with a gesture, if you like, in the interest of saving palestinian lives to end this war. what would make, how high must change its calculus to do things one as a better man i'm see is find out that the water is demanding about except bon jovi and nothing at all. and his to fascist us. there's a small groups and bring in it. and i'm, i'm,

is that by the list of the web is the man because he's 5. so this is one tool. i think no problem government. the government involving the policy number for the house is not on the following day with the release of business from both sides. why is that? we're talking about a 100 to 20 as a to prison us, but little if 1000 a 100 policy, not a prisoners in the present. most of many of them are a children with no trial, their own as or by many of them on. but what school, the detention admitted detention, but that is why you're with no trial was noise, but no one is talking about. but this is, this is the issue of justice if would be for both sides. that band with the push button was probably give it a bit of stuff to give us about a 120 later presents. but no one mentioned that the prisoners. so what is the

injustice with this issue? and that's why, well, i guess we'll see next even more that they've been treated as list human. a, somebody you with this is not acceptable, and that's why what's making, unless we have a wonderful thing, both bosses are treated as each one of human being. i don't think we're going to see an end of this a bunch of unfortunately. okay, well, how to check out? we increasingly listening to this discussion, listening to the, the polls that exist between the east riley's and how much on the palestinians. it feels like the united states really is the only country that holds the key to unlock this paradigm. what i want to ask you is going to change the calculus of the by an administrator, and is it going to be more violence against civilians like we saw on thursday?

is it going to be domestic pressure waiting on him in the united states in an election? yeah. or is this really simply about biden's own decade? sloane determination to stand by israel no matter what, before i address your question, let me just make one comment. i have the highest respect for minnesota used to be named the girl wants to book into early ninety's, but now i printed the form and the way he is become in the corner. just take about a minute and it's any hours action. and i think we know nothing more than a 100 people died. i don't think of just this one accident. 2 other boys. yes, we mean the great power, a bronze gold piece. so high so. so most of the things to be united states, but the deal is a split within the us have ministration to buy documents, region in particular. and now between don't believe that the u. s. should same as the situation can, should put some pressure on both sides. the storage is just fine agreement and we

move into more than romantic model, wouldn't the students and the other group that is led by secretary of state to bring cannot unfortunately, or even put in by students. and, you know, to try to do like the gate. how much and then reach what they call the day after. and these are 2 of school positions. nothing. basically, i'm not sure that the number even steve is one, even kills more than 30000 individuals in go to that we, we can the position of how much because insulin ownership being got the blessings, all those the heads of how much a girl are willing to start play 5 and up to $200.00 pounds. been the same, the number of the multiple working in a know he's paying for the and unfortunately the putting the blame on the idea and the whole world now has realized that we define them as much. so as you need to provide in full military and diplomatic,

i'm better love for them than i was actual. so the we need to, to, to point. and the district in point wouldn't be when the, by the being can look at each other in the i then realize that these, the open and the 2 ports, the new is cool and there's some losses both. okay. no problem. i think one more lost when do you have a position there by explaining that to lunch and some of the key to put enough pressure on it. and also they have to cut the book and put similar pressure on how much the the ship to accept the formula be old. what's going on? my other kind of fortunate team and then you know, is investing both the degree in an open ended room with no vision. the no strategies we need, and then we need to approach the end of our discussion. you'll see bailey and i want to ask you the window legitimacy. it's euphemistically cold. and israel, this paint this,

this power runs by the united states of israel is actions in the palace did in the occupied palestinian territories. do you believe that window of legitimacy is closing? i don't think so because it depends of what's going to happen in the near future. if it is possible to change the situation, to go seriously for peace, we did the, the, the all. i believe that the whole world there wouldn't be a very happy with you said a situation and then what ever use well in the buddies the yes, we agree a don't yearly and otherwise we'd be accepted by and allowed by the will. of course you've got full beat, nothing like that happens, we cannot and diesel. we cannot go for peace. there is no other government in use right. then i think that they, it would not be very bright future day for us,

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they can to help those left to believable by the conflict. the the alarm, so venue, it's good to have you with us. this is the news, our life from doha, coming up in the program. this our, the us says there is a framework agreement on the table for a 6 week ceasefire in gaza. israel did not turn it down, and the u. s. is now waiting for how mazda is response. right now though, the attacks continue in gaza at least 11 palestinians are killed in the southern part of a strip after it is really here, a strike. it's.