of the landscape, connect with our community and tap into conversations you will find elsewhere to take every day. this is going to unspeakable hard to really alone about what's happening because of the tasks and media attention the stream on out to 0. goals for an immediate cease fire in gaza, i'm growing louder, but he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu remains. defiance insisting is ministry was fact down until i'm off as destroyed. so what does that mean for negotiations and how serious isn't it from yahoo? about continued diplomatic efforts, they say is inside story, the out of the and welcome to the program. i'm joe now how old in 30000 palestinians killed tens of thousands more injured warnings of famine and the health care system

that the u. n says its own, this is on its knees, yet the bottoms keep fully own gaza. nearly 5 months since the start of israel's devastating war. there's no laptop in its daily attacks on friday. i'm also announced that some of the captives held in gaza had been killed in his rightly strikes catawba, u. s. and egypt to be mediating to express these 5. but the fee is the constant bombardment could threaten those discussions and israel's killing of more than a $100.00 pounds of students, as they scrambled to collect food. i don't says they use for the threatening to inflame the region, but prime minister benjamin netanyahu insists his ministry offensive will go on until these goals are achieved. we've already discussed with guests, but 1st this report from when we consume sharif mexico at the time of talks for the ceasefire, optimism about negotiations for the possibly troops and gaza interrupted by the killing of more than one to palestinians on testy as to be to,

to collect food. many of the victims were taken to causal cities, barely functioning our ship, a hospital o u n team that met some of the victim says many of those they soul have suffered gunshot wounds. this hospital is treating more than 200 people that were injured yesterday. you have seen people with gunshot wounds. you've seen up to these and we have seen the children as young as 12 that were injured. yes. street a group safe. thursday's killings undermined the immediate need for the ceasefire as food and supplies can and took off o. 5 months of his was will, has led to a humanitarian catastrophe. a majority of palestinians of displays and stuff in the middle, but the, there was a tens. child's officially registered in the hospital as having starved to death. a very sad threshold, similar status to 30000 tests. we reached all over garza and similar like those

these uh, official records the, the unofficial numbers can unfortunately be expected to be higher as well as relentless flights of raising questions about whether it's really prime minister. benjamin netanyahu is even invested in a deal as it's negotiate, as opposed to find in agreement the negotiations for a cease fire. the, the, the, you know, the sticking point. there has always been the end, the game. israel has been adamant that it's going to effectively destroyed god, so it doesn't use those words, but we, we see what they're doing on the ground. we, we hear the rhetoric coming out of is really political circles. they want to make life on livable. they're trying to ethnically cleansed browser as part of their so called greater israel plan, as long as that remains their intent. there's just not a lot of incentive for, from us, uh to, to agree to, to agree to a deal. as well as bombing campaign is also costing you the lives of captives

headed in vasa. the military being of high miles kaufman, forget, says, is really s flags can 7 captives being held in district. the group planes is really a tax for the depth of more than 70 of the $150.00 estimate. the captive still hasn't garza, the families have been demanding these really government to move to help them from and as to nothing. yeah. who's wound looming, assault and ruffle, is inevitable. after forcing more than a 1000000 palestinians to shelter and shouting, there will be even more suffering and destruction forgot. so let me go some shoddy . i'll just see the 4 inside story the as well, let's bring it out. guess now in terms of easier, see, bailey inform is really minister of justice who initiated negotiations of the also piece the codes here in the abraham frat associated professor of conflict

resolution at the institute, and also in the bahama to chicago, a professor of conflict resolution and diplomacy at george mason university. i will welcome gentleman to you or we are talking essentially about talks. now we know that around 10 days ago in paris negotiations took place with senior representatives of the us, katasha, egypt, and israel. that those took square a constructive enough that talks continued here in the involving hamas as well with egyptian and category mediators. shuttling between, we know the broad outlines of a deal up to 6 weeks of oppose in the fighting, 40 captives to be released for around 400 prisoners. a ratio of one to 10. the repositioning of something is really forces in the return of some palestinians to their homes in the gaza strip, but we have no deal as yet. you'll see bailey,

let me put the question to you in its most straightforward terms. is israel more particularly than nothing? nothing, yeah. who government, serious about talks to end this war is about talk to and this will also shoot, let me know government day is, is going to have an end, let's say, well, if you asked me about the current is rarely government and it's at the cube towards the 2 state solution, my answer will be very different that the i a, i hope that it won't take too long. i mean, president biden said the yesterday that the night they take place at the beginning of the day beginning or from a done on the 10. so i'll say mileage, and apparently these are the iphones. that the question. so the about the length of the line and the, the number of a, of the listing in a dental rece, the would be exchanged, a full, a, keeping

a state easily keeping it and so on, but a date place. the question again is what the doing the ceasefire. it would be possible to talk with the file base also about the much bigger solution for our problem and even need a worse crisis. a video game between ease, when police dns, dns, a 48 a may be, maybe it is an opportunity to try and talk seriously about a peaceful of solutions as you allude. but there's no doubt whatsoever at, within the nothing you know, nothing. you are going to about the position towards a 2 state solution. they have ruled that explicitly abraham frat let. let me move on to you. do you believe that negotiations are being conducted in good faith from the is riley side of how do you see the willingness of how much to cooperate?

oh, absolutely. no. there is no good faith and this negotiation there is no trust in this negotiations. i think the solid but major obstacles to a successful seed is fire, basically, and i'm up show what bennett in yahoo bite wing extremist, that the whole government walks from this negotiations was to do these. all the insulated captives. give a, seized by a for 6 weeks only, and then continue the war afterwards to go to the ultimate. that's basically what that is, why you levine and as lady position on this new york, she isn't. now how much who has only this issue of the cap is that they're able to negotiate the why you want mass or any of a part of the with given them? it's only the content that has, which is the captives in order to be after 6 weeks to be at tag again and

continue the war. and now we, we know that buddy is laid in pensions from what we see is basically the mass explosions of the experience and gods that domain does in have a not happy people, you know, for the fall of gases. there is about 70 percent of homes and guys i have been destroyed. the infrastructure has been destroyed all to me and people are displaced . so good luck with the construction and this is not the whole thing and that, that the american administration is not giving cash. what it says above out about 6 weeks, they wouldn't be seized by it. so no one has given cash. what else is best? would it be seized by on it? so that's the reason. i think there is a huge gap between the 2 bought this between buy so i think it will come us until we negotiate in good faith that we have going through these to a better minute ceasefire. sustainable sees via that chances as own

a break it through in this negotiation, the man is very unlikely in my opinion. it okay, well that question of why would, how must negotiate a way the key card is something we will return to, but festival to continue just drawing the broad outlines of this discussion. let me bring it in, but i'm gonna check holly to look at the international parameters of a deal. the coals growing up, allowed to have a more frequent now from around the world. from europe, from latin america, from africa, from adverb states across the middle east. the coast for an immediate cease fire. to what extent does that pressure do you think way on the net on yahoo government. the sofa. no, no. i don't know the song, the basic mistake, but let's look at the competitive route pro to we need to differentiate between the process and the process and know how i'm k o i know in practice. so no one can deny

that is a degree method process. but i want to know, can we clean that out some of the pro my think pragmatics, that means the beginning and the results of this process so far? no, because we have a lot more of a lost in translation problems when we see him either in the hall and watching them what i am sweating. when we talk about these 5, the meaning is simply which is put in the fire. oh, this is the largest b, b, c, 's of oracle fixes illusion processing. however, the solution, the, is that the net, the neo is, is what i do know to go that way. and i can send it in the maximum pay the true spot, open ended pool. this is why we're coming up with a 6 week pause. so far, the, the position has shifted from what it was back in late november when we had the 1st

exchangeable authors and present those thanks to the got the mediation. unfortunately, the white house, the, the buying that was of watching the, hopefully the by next week we may have a big group, but unfortunately, we're not talking about on just a full for the isn't i, it is a truthful because my age and this is fine for the rest of what i'm looking at these, these options and the auditors are coming, coming together. therefore, i think we, we maintain the process for the weeks to come, but i don't see the line at the end of that the. that means we're not talking about the same for the ticket and for what the command would. which means booking the fire out for good and then shifting thought the league into the mod opening, which agent between some cost sessions and then what is the policy is gonna gain at this point so far? it has not been this month. and i love the point i would like to add it briefly is right. and that then, you know,

basically goal set that in this process not to read specified on what it meant, but just to find a way out for the hostages and programs. this is going to be the scene in the holiday. the be is the right in the position. therefore i think that is less, less. l was indeed the need for some bethany go. she has been in communication. what we mean when we talk about just fine. okay. well, you bring up the box and ministration. of course, the by the administration, the united states is ralph closest allied, conspicuous, uh, in the international community for not cooling for an immediate cease fire. there was a resolution possibly coming at the security council for what is described as a temporary humanitarian ceasefire. as soon as practicable, i'm going to ask ya see bailing with the in the, in the t's only us pressure is that could force the nothing yahoo government to change its calculus from concentrating not just on

a 6 week temporary pause with unknown a follow on. but instead to be looking at something more elastic, what 1st of all, he feels thinking about pressure. this is why he's not being it done here. you're going to done you. how is the legitimate and the elected prime minister. but a, you have many voice, the many voices in many groups in these way. you have the, the security establishment, which is a different view than that. and then, you know, you'll have a lot of the public opinion. they're going to be competing on both as they are, which are not the simple people say, and it any out that of he's a big deposition, a billable joint, the government, a guns, a sold a company. the behind the was the to the fat a. yeah. but the difference is about the how to do manage it the next

the steps. but if i do not have space, i think that the point with united states is not that they equal both. is the general idea of the east or a be including people like my sense that the main aim is to prevent from us from governing garza in the future. if that is issued, then there is no need to continue this se well to continue to less often from the south and, and to keep people and to be good and whatever. and you, so what happened the other day weekday? when we does these things to these poor people in, in guys though, in the 100 people apparently a died. i don't believe that any, but the things that the, these really all me is still daily in order to, to kill them. but these of the, the resides of offsets the sats confrontations. and it is not till the 1st time, regretfully, and we should emptied me,

declined to go on the best way to prevent the best way. better way to prevent it is due to the end, the small any can be ended weekly. if we, we are show that how much is not going to be filed of the of the morning after? oh god for them guys. the pieces are mostly both my want to to tell me that if you don't mind, i'm the only in the sense that if that is the simplistic and goal simply to ensure the time us cannot govern the gaza strip. i mean, the nothing you know, who government has put out a one page document suggesting that some unknown groups will simply materialize out of the population and take over that role. i mean, that's not a, that's not a feasible plan. be that the degree we deal with it. it is not a it is not the plan. you didn't call it the plan. it does not is government. it was never confirmed that accepted by the government. i believe that have you

brought that? have you brought it to the government? a many, a ministers. i don't know whether my joints or not. well, the rejected deed and the excuse me for saying that these really very unassuming us . these groups are not going to govern guys, is what cannot say, a dress, something like that, that can be a kind of a plus b sheep. and it is before for solved, lied for a year or 2 in the week. the main think of the price to, you know, sorry, be, and then it to should be the price daniel, a, sorry, the old if we haven't by then the other thing is 30 this evening, but the okay. let's look at how much in order this abraham proud you say that home us has no incentive to negotiate, certainly not to give up its key called the captives. however, i do want to ask you whether at a certain point the pressure weighs on how much as well,

because we've crossed the 50000 mach now in terms of palestinians killed. in this war, the vast majority of the population living under tremendous pressure within the gaza strip, now facing a shortage of aid facing family and children dying of malnutrition. that incident, we talked about on thursday, absolutely representative of what is happening to palestinian people, ostensibly governed by hamas. at what point does a mazda as calculation change, or to do something to save the palestinian people? well, let me fist the disagree with us. have been over to you said that the goal is to ensure that pam us will not go with them and goes in the following day. this is dorothy false because how much has already be the ones who question has already announced a lot of times that the exit think i think about cost government. i think the government that's totally outside politics. so

a specialist i kind of makes who would be able to join and one does that, and so that will come out. so this is the solution. if this is the case, the how about the bottom, the bottom as user problem said above design and government at all. so how about says accepted the you need to government when the policy that measured all those are the, which is also what the bible was about. to see the alternative to and got so, but the, but on the contrary method, you know, as repeatedly repeatedly said that he's not accepting me, but i must move up the, the policy and also to see that you will see bill and signed the old will agreement with them, it's unfortunate to see you with somebody that he's defending bethany all the spiteful, it has these parts of that team at the box. and so you have uh, do you want to come in on that? know these are different is my make the month mom and stand by him. it's done by

you'll see. please do the really think that nathaniel i would like me to see to and, and defend him in front of you. i am very thoughtful. i'm about to do the, i'm not doing that. i say the whole piece you're going from the molding, be of the abraham. i beg your pardon, let. let's put those issues to one side and could consider them the free quantity. now i continue please, because i do more catchy to why i might go up the method the whole by saying that this has been born because again, it's missing. yeah. would it be the said that these about like something given the also you know, going to be and also you, i'm saying that the is not part of the drywall messic on that happened yesterday though we have new times we'll see joe down for a watson because all couldn't fan of me that it was due to the app is somebody

firing on the uh, what's the, what about the flow of domestic, good old people. how do people that they're going to do it for the saying that not be able to find out who if i may be, am i think that you'll see was making a slightly different point and saying that they would simply standing there with the pre intention of slaughtering palestinians, let's leave that for the moment to one side. what i want to ask you about abraham is what would make her must put aside it's preconditions and step in to it with a gesture, if you like, in the interest of saving palestinian lives to end this war. what would make, how high must change its calculus to do things one as a better man i'm see is find out that the is the man, think about except bon jovi and nothing at all. and his to fascist us. there's a small groups and bring it in, and i'm, i'm,

is that by the list of the where is the man because he's 5. so this is one tool. i think no problem government, the government involving the policy number for the mass is not all the following did with the release of prisoners from both sides. why is that? we're talking about a 100 to 20 is a to prison us, but little if 1000 a 100 policy, not a prisoners in the present. most of many of them are a children with no trial, their own as or by many of them on. but what school, the detention admitted detention, but that is why you wouldn't, you know, try, i was normal. yes. but no one is talking about that and this is, this is the issue of justice. it would be for both sides. the sudden was probably give it a bit of stuff to give us about a 120 later presents,

but not to mention the prisoners. so what is the injustice with this issue? and that's why what i guess is mostly known as even more that they've been treated as lives human out of somebody you with this is not acceptable, and that's why what's making, unless we have a wonderful thing, both bosses are treated as each one of human being i don't think we're going to see an end of this lecture unfortunately. ok, mama check out. we increasingly listening to this discussion, listening to the, the polls that exist between the israelis and how much on the palestinians it feels like the united states really is the only country that holds the key to unlock this paradigm. what i want to ask you is going to change the calculus of the by an administrator, and is it going to be more violence against civilians like we saw on thursday?

is it going to be domestic pressure waiting on him in the united states in an election? yeah. or is this really simply about bibles own decade sloan determination to stand by israel? no matter what? before i address your question, let me just make one comment. i have the highest respect for minnesota used to be named bro, wants to book into early ninety's, but now i printed a form and the way is become in the corner. just stick about a minute. nothing, you know is action and i think we know that they more than a 100 people died. i don't think of just as more accidents. 2 other boys. yes. we mean the great power. they broke the peaceful house so. so most of those and then it happens to be united states, but the deed is a split within the us administration, the by documents region in particular. and now between no believe that the us should save the situation and should put some pressure on both sides. the storage

is just fine agreement, then we move into more than romantic model and the student and the other group that is led by secretary of state to bring cannot unfortunately, or even put in by students any else to try to get by the gate. how much and then reach what they call the day after, and these are 2 of school phoenicians, nothing. basically, i'm not sure that the number even steve is one, even kills more than 30000 individuals in go that we, we've given the position of how much because it's living should've been got the bless and all those the heads of how much a girl are willing to start play 5 and up to 200000 individuals, they've seen the number of multiple working in a know he's paying for the design. unfortunately, they are putting the blame on the idea and the whole world now has realized that we define them as much. so as you need to provide in full military and diplomatic,

i'm better love for them than i was actual. so the we need to, to, to point. and the district in point wouldn't be when the, by the being can look at each other in the i then realized that these, the open ended supports. the new is cool and there's some losses both. okay. no problem. i think as one of the more last, when do you have a position there, but i expect that's one of the key to put enough pressure. and also to have the coverage will come with similar pressure on how much the the ship to accept the formula. be all what's going on. my other kind of fortunate team and then you know, is investing both the degree in an open ended room with no vision. the no strategies we need, and then we need to approach the end of our discussion. you'll see bailey and i want to ask you the window digits of associates, euphemistically cold, and israel. this paint this,

this power runs by the united states of israel's actions in the past in the occupied palestinian territories. do believe that window of legitimacy is closing? i don't think so because the defense of what's going to happen in the new future if it is possible to change the situation, to go seriously for peace. we to the be the all, i believe the whole world there wouldn't be a very happy with you said a situation. and then what ever use right in the buddies being yes, we agree. a don't yearly and otherwise we'd be accepted by and allowed by the will. of course you've got full beat. nothing like that happens. we cannot and diesel, we cannot go full bees. there is no other government in use right. then i think that they, it would not be very bright future day for us,

and especially for the peace campaign is way a gentleman by, thanks to all guests, you'll see bailey abraham for help and mamma to check out. and thank you to you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, delta 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. and you can also join the conversation on x out handle is at a j inside story for me, joe and holland, the entire team here. and that's good bye for now. the, the the, [000:00:00;00]

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this month on sort of discussions that come through the norm upfront on how to do the it is where the forces palm residential areas across garza 7. our students are killed in giovanni, a refugee camp in the north of 15 or dead in a row, trying to get a rough the other on till now. this is just to rely from doug how also coming up. the us says, that's a framework agreement on the table for a 6 week gaza cx, 5 is ro, hasn't turned it down while a mouse is yet to respond. we all know how much of us should each sub has secured,