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this is national people's congress all under pressure to stave off potential. i'm rest and convinced the public the chinese economy is not defined with detailed coverage. despite the show of course money here, realize you are not ready to defend itself without the house of the united states, from around the world. advocates for the homeless se criminalizing people who live on the street simply won't work, especially in a city like los angeles. or these european public support for ukraine, faltering, angry farmers in poland, and elsewhere, protesting against chief imports from the war. total country governments are under pressure to take action. so what does this mean for ukraine is the war with russia interest? it's the, yeah, this is inside story, the
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color the. i'm welcome to the program on jo, no, the european union's been one of ukraine's biggest back as an it's fight against russia. among the many ways it's given support is by reducing tariff sonya crating and out quick over cultural inputs. but now you're being farmers of pushing back, they say the livelihoods of being undermined by foreign competition, and they want to trade barriers re imposed just as part of a big a backlash. and can you repeat? indeed, as is discontent, while maintaining the support for ukraine will go to our panel in just a few moments, but 1st sent them on a hand as this report. farmers in poland are angry and they're not the only ones protested and taking place in many parts of europe. you regulations are part of what's during the unrest. but for many, the biggest issue is cheaper food enforce from ukraine that they say are under cutting their business. not the good says, according to suzan,
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ukrainian green is flooding. poland and we're getting poor and poor. we don't know what to do with our products anymore. let me for the moment then wash it. well, this is pain. i want the government to take concrete decisions. we want actions. i want the government to understand and help us financially, or to expose this grain from ukraine to countries in africa. for example. when russia and they did do freight in 2022, the european union stepped into how of it dropped the tires on agricultural imports, providing economic lifelines the crating economy. since then, europe is also provided more than a $140000000000.00 and $8.00, and taking in millions of refugees bought 2 years on a backlash appears to be brewing with the war. now entering the 3rd year, the farmers, one terrace, reimpose, poland prime minister, has acknowledged their concerns, but tried to redirect their anger toward russia. says it looks just as long as it doesn't mean usually problems not which can. it is not certainly a problem of grain and food imports from ukraine. a few people realize that all
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markets in europe and in poland is being de stabilized by products coming from russia and batteries. so we need to take all possible measures to stop that. b. u is going some way to meet the farmer's concerns. i plan to extend a free trade arrangement with ukraine until 2025 will now allow emergency measures if market distortions become too great. and leaders are promising tariffs on russia and bel roost that they say will help stabilize prices. but it's unclear whether that's enough to reduce the discontent and preventive bigger backlash against support for ukraine, defense and mountain l g 0 for inside story. the . we're going to focus on the political implications of the story with our panelists from across western europe in warsaw. alexandra reuben hska is a journalist and commentator. and so twitter o x profile as a cheese unraveling western europe in t. timothy me,
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lovano is president of the keeps going to be can nomics inform administrative, economic development, trade and agriculture. and joining us from brussels is susanne lynch, associate editor with politico. great to have you all here with us. so let's begin. alexandra rabinski with you as ukraine increasingly struggles to hold the line in the east against russia, across the border with probably within the west. it's essentially baffling on the front now, among its closest allies within the european union ponies, farmers are angry all day. right. do you think to be reacting in this way to be venting their anger at you crate in this way as well? i think that so this problem is not the instruction the sale, understand the trying, the costs of the conflicts in ukraine. i think most service palmers have nothing against helping you train this full. and the few people that appear at those farmers protests that you know,
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have any kind of co russian things to say of a very small minority farmers. and we, because they consider that the union meeting, the full shaping commission by turn loving this axis is the you time to the common market to the market. um huh. so that's fine. was especially town and then there's the u. p. green deal. that is also true match or to the, in the nest. so most of this being off of pharmacy in the u, meaning, and environmental regulation and rules for security and on the one hand farm was addressed as to comply with all these regulations. on the other hand, the union has no issue with lessing ukrainian brain, often text people ring the training show that it's not something you read the elections also just phone safety related stream and uncontrolled of the cell phone
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was angry about that. and the rustles and we of the 30 supplement 1st and foremost before the angry at ukraine. so what they're asking for is, and then bogu on your training info to excellence from the frame. um, they ask the transit thing and raise their social products as well secured in a way that the grain is really going to the porch and then transport the way to wherever the means of your train. oh, instead of being uploaded onto the publish mode, it says this is, i think the found me a little bit of this. okay, what sits in the same amount of time? it seems like a distinctly reasonable position for publish farms to take. do you think ukraine is right to expect to be able to so send its produce across the border into power into another you countries knowing that a portion of it is offloaded into local markets under,
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under cutting local produces. so what's difficult for us in ukraine to understand is why a farmer separate test and ukranian name presented protest, and russian embrace, which are going for billers have been the recent investigation by journalists who capsule that at least 3 companies in the fall of dog buying a roster and grain russian culture deeds and there are no protests of the border was relatives. so that's one conflicting report. and the other one, the protest small. but nonetheless, at the mcdaniel border, arguing the ukranian grain somehow gets to see any of the results of russia and then gets expert to back to boeing from there, which is absolutely not true. and then of course, another aspect is how much of the grain gets in transit through poland and how much of the green space in poland. and i think the numbers on the public. and this is a little bit difficult discussing because no one is willing to talk back. so i
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think there is a lot of misinformation and there's a, it has become a very political issue and you can feel that way of being unfairly punished as well . that issue of, of agricultural produce coming in from the bellows from russia is something that don't have to say police prime has to, has raised. so that means i want to move on to you. what is the your opinions role in a while? a commissions role in all of this back in 1922, 2022. they lifted quite as in paris at the beginning of the war to help you crane shift their agricultural projects, also to try and protect the present level food security. since then, they've set back and watched the situation disintegrate, unable or unwilling to properly come up with a solution. is this a mess of the use making it? is it the use job to fix it? i think the you don't have responsibility here and i did say it had temporarily lifted that restrictions on some in parts. and again,
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it's going to do so for another year. and it's deciding that at the moment, and it has got by and for that, with some exceptions, that ukraine is always have certain free trade arrangements with the faxing back assume years. and it's obviously not a member of the you, but it has a relationship with the which allow them to access markets to some extent. but this was a specific decision as a temporary, a lift this ad for these kind of products. the, the issue now i think to the you is the fact that the, for cold opponents have be one of the strongest supporters of ukraine. since those 4 started in the early days of the war, pulled into the boats at countries at where the wooden side of india are to. some of them are western countries saying, look, this is serious at this war may happen in ukraine and the west needs to be aware of that. and then once the war started, poland was very fortunate of your grades. so the very fact that, as i was told and that we see these a hold of happening
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a voted against ukrainian imports and agriculture is a worrying sign. i think that support for ukraine is not a steady, maybe as it was at the beginning of the war across europe. right. so i think that's right. then clear for the european union. well, that's the precise point i wanted to pick up with you starting with you. suzanne, is that, i mean, it's hard to deny that there has been a sluggish response by the you to these issues. possibly because they feel they have their hands tied by governments within the you, as you say, we feeling possibly less inclined towards you credit. and then they did 2 years ago . what does this tell us about the state of feeling among you members towards you? kind of what does it tell us specifically about the risk of a spill over into anti ukraine sentiment to empty support of ukraine sentiment among public's within the block? yes, so at the moment, i mean, and i think it, there is no doubt that it's a difficult time for you. great. in this war, there's a stay in maine with russia,
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and there's a real fear. now that typically have the russian elections that absolutely will send in the, you know, way more, more troops at to the front line of this bad news for ukraine in terms of the, the military situation on the grounds. and obviously a, it's stalls coming from the united states that the, you have still a lot. that's 8 degree the 50 been in euro a pack, a few paid recently. countries like germany have really turned around our am giving a huge amount of ministry. 8 know, 2 f t paid and even though in jeremy's case, it still exists and given these towers miss. so i was that you praise had of it desperately need. i mean, cold are showing that, you know, overall europeans are still very supportive. you praying the warranty page when this war? however, i think what's interesting about this agriculture, an important issue is that this is we're reading. what would happen potentially, if the brain was ever to join the you. and that's really where the rubber hits the road here. you know, it's easier for western european countries to support your brain when they feel
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it's not their problem. if you create mr. joining the you would then we cut out this issue where you bought this huge country, but a huge agriculture and markets now become a part of the european union. i think that's an issue for a lot of countries, which is what happens. why ahead of tune parliamentary elections and the issue of accession has been parked for now. alexandra ruben is good. i want to ask you about as the so to send to ben evolves within poland with remembering that poland has taken in millions of refugee since the war began around a 1000000 and a half of actually settled. there is the risk of their situation inside poland becoming untenable. i don't think the situation will become untenable, but for the current government, which has been in power only since december, the cheese members was the actual period of time. it's a coalition the 9 costs and discount which of the different political programs. so
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um, what keeps them together is the real poke some kind of political change of how long it will. c nobody knows, and you have to present the problems in this coalition. so to talk to you said you have an intellectual manual calling. it is something we have visual elections in naples, we have you seen elections in june, and then we have because essentially next and especially in the region of the actions, well they have full child in the country sun. and this is where the 2 cousins, awesome. so the government coalition actually get those from so this is a very contentious issues apple and i think the government is trying to just trying to find the balance between healthy right and the same time satisfy the needs of the products. farmers they makes you can send it to gp and they have talked with the lecture, the quite last finds 20 percent of the people in the somehow working in the as a cultural section. so this is the difficulty that you have
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a political issues inside of countries and there's a reason why the ukraine cannot change. it's fast on this other social issue because for you trying to think of it is 11 percent of it should be so it's equally important. that's why i don't believe the solution will be out soon. and we have seen on both sides the tools to the didn't walk. this is and asked me to come and discuss this issue on the 24th of february. now, which does events you would like to pass? this invite you to publish trusted those. um, these are what we can see. this is actually becoming more and more contentious quite as far as the base model of the training process shields. so um, well this creates some kind of distortion of coverage. i'm sorry to interrupt the, talking about this balance thing of interest. so these balances are having to be weighed on both sides of the board. the team assignment of on of take us into this thinking in the ukranian political mind. presidents the landscape outraged. he was
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at the sight of ukrainian grain being spilt on road sides and rail sides by ponies pharmacy quoted, a mockery of you crying. he's got to walk up very delicate line, hasn't the president's a lensky between trying to keep these markets open for revenue to be generated to be able to pay for the war? and at the same time, not alienating. he's nearest his closest allies by undermining or dismissing the cuz concerns of the constituents. yes, absolutely. so residential and skin ukraine is extremely grateful to polish people for support. and this support is felt strongly, i recently was traveling through bought and it is there, people support to put fuel crate. i think the situation was farmers is indeed the unfortunate hospital. this is indeed the few brand new farmers in discharge or the
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longer on that more competitive because they have more investment and capital historically. and they simply bring. 2 1 sometimes better quality on the st bought it, but definitely the cost is lower. now, in principle, this benefits consumers in particular, important to uh, having more competition. and uh, but it is version of course the producers important. so that's a typical, very classic example of political tension within any country where local producers, i'm more consolidated than consumers and therefore they have more political spend. no, you probably doesn't want to jump into this at all. so we don't want to in any way, make it more difficult to figure out political compromises either within the u. o. as in paul, i cool or undermine the support was in the, you know, for you. what we're going to do is to find a solution which would be
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a win win. and my view one, there's my personal as an economist on is that people are looking at this a 0 sum game where it's either bowl is farmers for you premium. but in fact, big point in ways joyfully into infrastructure, investor jointly into storage because in the joint place in better products. and that's the required what policy says to step above the problem and 5 greatest solutions. in fact, what we have seen is a new brand new grain from the football and has been steadily decreasing all in the course of been weren't exactly because of the book dates. and then in fact, it was an increase in through all the governors such as hallmark and some of the, your investment and your brand new investment in international investments into infrastructure brands. in fact, even more money, all the up gone into bullets. so i think we're in a very unfortunate a 0, so i'm kind of political argument and we'll have to find a way to get out of this. and now the pictures on great be on the, on the,
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on the ground is probably disturbing point out for us because 1st it brings us, the memories will follow the more info or just a lot century, when rock that start up. and 2nd, we know how we might just bring under view styles in the past, so people died. it's really, it's really insult. and so it's, it's really, unfortunately, i'm going to pop that issue up to hold onto more until the end of our discussion. because i wanted to talk about the residences of history at the end, but just picking up on this idea of a 0 some political calculation happening. suzanne lynch, you report from the heart of the you in brussels. there is this parliamentary election coming up in june. uh, there is concern about fire file, right, a groups, piggybacking, all these fama protests and grubbing sentiment against ukraine and the war is it, the case that you create is essentially now taking back seat in the politics ahead
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of that parliamentary election and that it will suffer as a result of local politics concerns to do with the far right. i think on definitely the junior being part of mental actions are way on everything here in brussels at the moment. i think this is a reason why there are the new fine with caution. from the european commission, from the european commission president version of underlying about how quickly to move forward with the next steps for ukraine joining the you that you need or state agree to, you know, give the green light to you. craze. join the you even though everyone knows this well i'm for every country takes years and, but there seems to be attend saturday school to slow down that at least. and even though they're going to come forward with a proposal over the next month or so that any big decision by you leaders will be made after the elections. because quite frankly, they're worried about stroking any kind of an ad. p e. you both in the, the lapses holes are already showing that across the constant. we could see
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a surgeon support for right waiting fire right parties. and we're seeing from farmers protests and not just in poland, but all over europe, from road to paris to here in brussels. we've seen a lot of very kind of violence approach have here the hearts of the you with farmers annoyed not just about imports instant you, but also be use green. clyde have policies that they say are very targeting them. so all of this is adding to a sense of anger from some part of the electric before the due to the actions. so i don't think they're going to want to move forward in a significant way with ukraine's membership bids for the you before the elections are out of the way your time time time is something that you cry and just doesn't have a moment to assign me the value of one imagines that with all of this going on, it's going down extremely well in the kremlin. yeah, so, so i think the problem is, is happy every time there's some arguments within the your,
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between your country and your brain. the group benefits from that they excited about this. so i think we'd have to be very, very careful. we have to be a bonus. this is a major experts, media ability, since it's all responsibility to understand what the kremlin is actually doing in eastern europe. and if you great falls below the 1000000 refugees in fall and but to get that and the roster will not stop, i'm not sure this will actually try to take on maple. but it definitely will continue to follow, arise and undermine the union as approaches. so in that sense, this is an example where in the birth of the way they believe defense and political system work benefits kremlin. elliot, i want to make it very clear. it doesn't mean there's anyone on the part of the protest or so anyone who's actually consciously doing something. but we have to be careful. and when you need to gauge and, and mobilization and finding ways to win win,
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rather than spite within each other. that's exactly what kremlin, what alexandra reuben's good pick, taking on this idea that this plays into pollutants. narrative pollutants, hand pollutants, idea of the time is on his side that it is only a matter of time before corrects and use your pin. so solidarity. c, poland, joining countries like hungry in slovakia in taking a distinctly and to ukraine. stand as well as we have seen the hum, gary and resistance can be broken and has been growth is waiting to hear from you small the the issue you see the issue here is not to laura. how's the cost? and from the beginning that was a, this is going to the cost for you frame, especially firstly, but then also for the whole coalition that supports you. prince summary, see if we have to change the way we provisioned the countries with,
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with natural resources, with gas, all of this i've cost a lot and there's an actual process of, you know, being tired of starting to be a little bit war. now. will that how it has to be deliberate and you can see that they often also cause issues come into play like in the us or the republicans of connect to the issue of health for the train we're solving, the for the price is price on the border with mexico. so, um this one which one's political impulses and things coming into play and then this little silver fox. i'm not you. if me wasn't prepared for this, what west and you, it was a suit headphones for. and it turned out that it doesn't have the capacity to deliver weapons and ammunition in the mountains that are necessary to this have to restructure its defense industry. but these things take time. yes, news. so before that happens, use will test. so all of these issues have come together as a full countries are looking at costs because they're looking at the elections and
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they look at people complain a installation rising prices as well. so all of this is coming into play. that is very important in my opinion. um, but the thing receives the healthy needs and the references needs now, because if it does, then the roll will be over seen and you will win. okay, and i think this is something we have to on the line and someone will be in this. i would, i want to begin to rep a discussion by bringing us back to where we began to angry farm is in europe to black, blockading the border with ukraine, spilling tons of ukrainian gray and on the roadside to offend me. the amount of you touched on it that i wanted to ask you about, you kind of commentators talking about how those images triggered memories of the although the more they started an era of forest famine that led to the style of ation of millions of people. this is incredibly potent rhetoric to you, support it to stand by these appeals to history as well. so the problem was
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this up deals on the indeed is very powerful and there is a need was people, but they can go either way. so is it that we are upset up all of that? they are doing something to us. what is it that the cause of all of this, of these concerns of this conflicts of these frequencies extra with the kremlin again? and i think that's due later. and so we have to remember that indeed, in my mind, i did the very compelling mental picture of people starving in your brain. and even now we have 40 percent, according to some estimates 20 percent according to some other estimates on the farm or july. people are dying and every day people are starving and we actually have to experts. oh wow. good, some of our products because we need money and when you this money to buy breakfast so that we can defend both of those and, you know, it's, yeah, i want to control myself. it's really, really real. it's 3 of we have died. so it's real and so you know,
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when we got caught in the fall, i think someone killed this bus 0 a some mentality where we cannot build when we environment. this is just, you know, this is just, it's costing why i come outside of course, and no one knows us. no, not the support, not the ability to support. but we have very great who, who this, the for the may be in the century. but the 1st time you grant has a chance to defend itself, but you're right, this image just remind off what roster has done to us and continues to do as tim, tim of i. thank you. alex 100 rabinski our final notes on history, these borderlands between ukraine and poland. but since the war began have been a super highway for refugees going one way. weapons going the other back in the 1940s, these were killing lands. blood bonds happened the between nationalist ukrainians and poles who died in the 10s of thousands, a given the history or at least
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a very subjective notion of history. is that the very base of this entire war? it feels as if these are the tensions that urgently need to be resolved. would you agree? well, i, well, i would like to go back to the history of the mass exit because we up there. i divide into this issue and selling anything how to, how to cheat this also. i think let's leave the house for, for now. the whole the most of course, a terrible message which, which each happened to tell me the size of the russians, hospitals. i use a styling but um, so far so exclusive also is associated with very uh, you know, strong images, but i think i think mistakes have been made of both sauce. i think that sometimes also the risk for it that is coming from the thing inside of every time something doesn't go to flat on the way. maybe ukraine thinks it should to say that we are usefully use for russia. is sometimes a little bit hurtful. um,
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so i think this is also something i think decrease in diplomacy does because he thinks level my opinion on the um, i think all these filters are on the and so, but it has to be with those. well, my thanks to all of our guests, alexandro rabinski to my faith middle vaughn offenses lynch, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, delta 0, don't com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x r and leaves at a inside story for me, joe, the whole and the whole team here. good bye for now the, the stuff ation
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