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hello. welcome to the program and how should one, how about the people in haiti bracing for more violence, weeks off, the powerful guns, lawyers, and offensive to talk over government food is running out. a sense of those are in short supply and nothing is coming in or out of the capital. the united nations is wanting more than a 1000000 people on the brink of famine. there's essentially no government in place and plans to establish a transitional governing council of cause disputes and controversy. so how can, how you to overcome this crisis is for the involvement helping or is it feeling instability? we'll explore these issues with our panel of gas in a bowman's task. this report like katya lopez, how the on haiti is in crisis. gangs have taken over most of the capital with reports of killings, kidnappings and sexual violence. schools spend and most government institutions are

closed and people are growing desperate. last night gunman, the stormed our house with heavy firearms. they knew to didn't vandalized everything. getting anything in or out of haiti is a problem. the us and european union have promised aid, but delivering it is a challenge. the capital's main port is close as is the airport and heavily armed fighters have blocked the presidential palace with shipping containers. food fuel and a central supplies are running out. and for many making a living, is it possible? or the oldest in security? i don't have any more clients. even the people on the pavement con stopped to see my outlook on the street. the apple is closed and was suffering. i'm out here for the sake of it. katy is the poorest country in latin america and the caribbean. and for years it's phase political and financial and security, and 2010

a major earthquake displaced more than one point. 5000000 people. many are still homeless. more challenges followed when presidential in illinois was assassinated 3 years ago is nominated for prime minister at in, into the was sworn in and promised to hold presidential elections as soon as possible. but nearly 3 years later, criminal gangs are filling the power vacuum. and so we have to understand that for, for most people, whether there is a, a prime minister today and not tomorrow, it's not going to make a difference in their life. if that government wasn't doing anything to support them from the beginning. gang leaders are opposed to a transitional governing council that the us and some caribbean countries are pushing for. it could be made up of representatives from hades, political blocks, but after years of unsuccessful 4 and interventions, many stations are against the americans. i'm losing certain

conditions on us to run the country, and this is not normal because our country's constitution already shows us how to organize ourselves. the governing council would in theory, pay for the way towards the elections. patients are hoping that will restore stability. but there's also fear it will give cancer. another reason to escalate violence cuts here a little bit. so again, i'll do 0 for insights story the let's get to the hearts of what's going on in haiti with all aspect guests. joining us from new york is joel at a sub for the founding director of the city university of new york haitian studies institute and a professor of sociology at brooklyn college in boston. in manuel d on is the executive director of the haitian think tank for the city and social justice activist and in the canadian capital professor jump. baccha is director of

the human rights research and education center. auto university is advise the united nations in numerous based processes around the world, including high to welcome to the program, john, as thoughts with you? how did hey, to descend into this kyle's so me. what's happening is bd, uh, this was 0 is this is not. net never is not complicated to expand. i use it to your e. my t o is that on a t. since its inception, in 18 or 4, has arteries have to face sunk into an action or for sees made by do quality with and do quality with they have on we do it with the power to believe it do cost additional or not based on stevie hey this is one aspect, 2nd aspect bar. so do, do the behavior of the international community has also shit.

the 4 digit got quite a few of the hays on aids. and when you go up to our to get to the action of the international community. 80 with the age on eighty's, so we can explain why that was happening a deep so that care was that is call it be taking place in the east part of what i would call the quantity shown in. so the, the kind of all right, so they have well gotten the ation so see to be in that place that we see now. exactly. because when we see what they call the gain, i tried the, the, i'm not getting the out believe the to we still that simple nation. and if you do like to call me back, please press 32, because in order to get this signed and the important thing we have is so that is quite a 40 to come back and 46. what is happening? hate is not to that. and when that,

what is happening in the soaks on county and what is happening in the democratic therefore people call. all right, what can happen? i mean, he can be explained by doing great power. also you west and must be see what's the big odyssey menu? what do you, how does it mean to be deep? so it's a matter of how to use. uh, let's say to use the menu voice by jo as it was just the 5 of the something that has been instrumental lives by the following bowers. i would say that it's a shared responsibility. on one hand, we have the international community, some powerful country, is that being involved in 84 years. and they have any idea of access that with that aspect to and they have been promoting on the list of interest in the mean by promoting these of interest. they associated themselves with coldwell for each for patients. political news and members of the economic candidates. and this will lead us to a situation where those very few people less through careful haves

interests and the interests of the majority of the default. and you have, on one hand, they're dashing on community, the actors on the international communities and the act, us on the bicycle, then you're going to be getting he will all lead, surely shooting, deal on the agenda, you know, the new country resources and using a and found in one he, the l is now using the games to secure the power and the ability to continue to control the country resources. and it's a situation that is detrimental to people, and it leads us to this, you know, so we are seeing now. john is a failure of the political elite in haiti. oh, it's a failure of every one. and i would agree with the last speaker that there is a shared responsibility. in fact, there's an awful lot of blame to go around both in the putative international

community and certainly amongst patients both in the social and there's and definitely the so called the elite. there's a collection of persons and families that have long had dominant or influential rules, and they have failed, utterly, not only to effect control within haiti, but to reach any kind of a governing arrangements. we'll find out that kate so, so this is not a short term or something that was unforeseeable, or somebody minutes suddenly crept up on us. this is the character, unfortunately, of the state, which is to say, it's essentially a failed state. don't as the, the, on the groups or the guns are now the center of the debate, which is ongoing in haiti. do we know how they all? what's that agenda? so this is the item that i would say is this,

the allies do count street to port produce mall k or us? because when we have a care with the situation that i would succeed, which one we are, the ways require full, i think drove insurance. and he, we have on one in the haitian people. and i'm fairly glad that as, as the, the invited us to write on, that they're not to not have to use because they're mentoring media. they never for us on the haitian and people were both in the 80 and the bass full of that writing to we call very the disorder of that. and so the present do gen, after reading as a reward will show not the actor where is this the utilize? so do good. did how my faster so they have their boss and their bosses. we find their bosses as i see a menu fusion in deported to go speak to us in the private sector or business,

but also i would add on the web joint pocket. i see it on the back of the sean ations. you do use this page state. i will foxtrot a agree with that, but also i will challenge that on as i tell them that you know, in the article i would because defense did use this or all, or try the mid got too full. i for the see that the international community has pushed in who do so fine. so if we take the equal home, we don't have in the corner we did, we don't have a massive. that was, why is the we have a back door use this, those before the policy, the 80 as the police to transactions. what are the most important thing to see for the house? the wall coordinates shown we've did 4270 in the washing done. so there's one that's it off i'm, you know, would be either you method or if i mean i have them in by cd todd the last, if we take no,

no sheet. so here we thing that's happening in the us. it off. i mean, you know exactly what is going on. so fine, 10 days a center is in washington dc. that was the only part to explain exactly where the guns comes from. do not seem to find me. i do not. ready off i'm a god. yeah, the know everything that is happening, the disney be outdoors. nothing is because it's really inconvenient for them. and manuel, why is it the best time that most of the demands for waste by the guns is resonate along why the sections of the society in haiti and people seem to pretty much agree with what jimmy said? is it, for example, i've been saying over the last few days, i do use a, the idled speak jody's an echo to what do you mean susie? i've seen the he's on society is quite the opposite. we have gang the one that's still that the face using prison,

the community crimes and they want to cater to have in your narrative. that'd be, i'm not to be able to gains that deal with felicia narry. and they have repeating the same discords that paysimple as to what addition i'll be waiting for years. so let me, susie, seeing now is what so many here. so for the addition of thing, and part of it was the what the people want. he's just using this language to portray himself as someone he is not so that he can make sure that he's not treating as the gang in the middle of the years. but some sort of it wasn't extraordinary, but it's so one is not true. is that factual? the to far dear, he's a game criminal, he's been involved, he's so many so many bad things in the country. so he's us using this language and to go back to the question you asked earlier, what's the agenda? the agenda is very clear,

the all frustrating it for themselves and for the people loved be boxing them for years. they want to be presented to the same view of this and people so that they do not jail. there is a fight to avoid accountability in the country and it started back when they actually started asking for a code of an easy on the people die based on financial scandal. people do not want to go to be the people who are the us. people is and they are doing everything they can to define the country so that no one goes to the gym. that's why we are back in the reason that's one of the reasons i'm telling you reason. and then the 2nd thing, the, the games up was showing a sign to control, to have to get ahold of power. because once they get into power, they can chlorophyll. i'm the see. and then they can mix it, they never pay for what they have done is the people who are backing them the follow supported season and businessman they will not face it just as needed. so that's what we'll do

a showing it double showing. and because bose is because they are trying to convince or to show that they have the support of the people they're using the link and see how god we are for the it's joan, these guys control 80 percent of the capital and they are reinventing or trying to reinvent themselves to somehow build bridges with a disgruntled population in haiti. how do you see that moving forward? do you think they will definitely have a biggest say in life in the future? not the gains, particularly important press, has not had effective control for quite a long time. it's no up to about 80 percent of put in practice, but it would spend half of the city for a couple of years now and there. and there are many games and uh, the understanding of exactly who they are and how they function. uh, this is a bit complex. uh, as one of the previous speaker said they had their sponsors. uh they have their providers of resources. uh there are the different narratives about, uh,

the some uh like, uh, it shows the hu fashions himself a kind of modern, resurrected robin hood of swords and stuff like this is all a lot of a nonsense that the, the, the games are criminal. there is no doubt they are brutal and they are effective in what they are doing, which is to say, controlling the streets. they have the grievances for sure and they need to be engaged. but the fundamental issue here is uh, the country is without any effective control, there hasn't been a rule of law in a long time. there is no effective judiciary. there's no, the legality of any state authority is now largely absent. even the arrangements recently made internationally our extra constitutional. i'm just virtually no legitimacy. so the power of guns and control on the street, at least some part of prints belongs to the gangs, and that's going to have to be engaged with it. all right, but in any case,

don't as the how should we blame for what is happening in haiti? should we blame the audio henri, because there was no to an elected official and who was a big fan of not having elections whatsoever to the point where we ended up having political vacuum? no parliament, no efficient government and chaos came in. so yeah, that's a good question because it's so c, i p is near the whole more it seen yours. know is to say i, the is very easy. what junior's and 80, on one hand, we shouldn't blame the that the show know actor of devoted to god class, those b, portable on b. c power as a way to feed the be and cause i in the time. but also we should be in the international community do quality west ponder these, you're more than you all do you messed it up on me on the invitation. so c i p 40

because also meant by cd associates. hey, do you we how hot man, bill of cds. let's see i the form use will have been seen for a new organ and tissue and for a she off us for the what is it, why the deep but even the same. oh yeah. he was never be by the asian population you was be by do call me by my don't even need good. i leave with we. so the international not for me to be how on ways choose do was offshore, and for the do you find to call him for the people that we are talking. they are also are the workforce or not the to flight is sort of showing for he the international community. do choose to go. we do was 42 car actor easy. so is it fairly complex the, the wish or because of location people? they have a fairly foreclosure that can work. but honestly it is it kind of warranty,

in which their own call it the battery's under to deal each of the units. they don't find the castle, the daughter was dupel goosey an actor, easy to ship the d dot. i'll see then the hutch is therefore bit and by the way, law is that transitional counsel, the best answer to the problems of haiti at least for the time being the time being there is no other option then as an additional console because we need some time to live action, and we cannot have a power of auction like this. we need people to be able to get the season on behalf of the country. although it's still be get it because they are not elected officials. but there's a, there's a reason we are now, and we need to fix that. we have no other choice than having us on these are the console for now. and the goal would be to have elections as soon as possible. i a, john, is the us, does it still have leverage?

others still have a bigger role to play in the future to prevent further descent into this. i don't know, but the word liberal edge. uh it has possibilities. uh, and if you allow me just to, to take exception a bit with the narrative that we've been hearing that this, this very still idea of the external, both the man and the zip for an nefarious interest. and so, all of that's partly true, but the hard fact is that you know that he has had endemic corruption for most of its existence. its transports international identifies it a 100 and 71st of a 180 states. extremely corrupt, extremely, by the way, extreme poverty, 50 percent, a literacy. there hasn't been a serious selection and above 20 percent. turn out in a long, long time. and so we really have to tackle here is that this is a field state. i come back to that and here that means that the internet community

and lead to probably by the united nations because care to come for all of its goodwill and present and present ally of gayona's enthusiasm to take some leadership simply doesn't have the capability to do what needs to be done? i think what we need to be talking about is something like a trusteeship that can create the facilities to, to react, to reinvigorate the sovereignty of hey, he for the haitian people. that is so long before. but that's not going to come magically from some kind of organic process. this is going to have to be supported internationally. and i think the when's going to have to step up. but that requires political will and resources. and it's not clear that that's their joint, as the you said earlier, the on so should come from within, should be lead and owned by the people of haiti. that's when you look at the situation on the ground, you have the g 9 lead to 2 minutes chose you, for example, to meet up with the zip lead to gabrielle g. and yeah, on one hand, you have gave philip who leads the national awakening for sovereignty. of haiti

and who is very ambitious about taking over the only people now leading the movements in haiti. do you see the potential for a stable, prosperous, lived in katy with these actors? yeah, definitely, definitely. i see that and for that to happen, we need is to cheer should be for sweet. see, we need to send it back to you and it finds that we never stop by. we do, we'll do the, got 2 more off with the mainstream media and of course, do you know that quietly in p t mentoring me? yeah. the hey, don't then you know, the to call me cry and they can have what we call duplicating. yeah. so the that is also um, you know, a, he didn't agend of the minutes with me that on with his and he to as a group level,

i totally all violence. this is one of the 2nd thing i, which i mean the idea of having to do, i have to trust the sheet of he because the haitian is the only so c, i p in the, with the heavy speed that i had is that kind of the photo shot, so patient people, they have this sort of showing ation and people that have disorders on board we are, we have to meet that hall. i'll do white save here. so white people say, oh this is, i've tried to, this is really a logical dish of ice copy. that is why people say that again. this is john swan who some people are well, talking about option. we have ecology and we didn't need an actual now these are actually not for me to be clear to continue on. and then finally on the board to let me see, would you mind if i got ok, but due to somebody in the don't go to the haitian government, they close to this store is doing nothing out there. and you basically kinda busy,

busy the washing door. so the international community has to stop thinking, hey, show people as you then and they need do require a whole new way to go. we want to why did senior need patients before have the opportunity to soon been set by themselves. all right, well, briefly, if you don't mind, do you think that the assassination of juvenile, and whereas in 2021 was a turning point and that what we see happening and that was just one of the ramifications of that event alone does as a nation of the business was just one more fee in the head and determined it was as kind of $80.00 and it was of use for any one of the situation any. but it was going to only to get worse. and this was the now the representative of the ways wasn't doing anything while he was involved to find the games to come back to the game. he wasn't trying to restore democracy. he wasn't trying to even develop the country.

he was meaning trying to buy time in bower and when he was killed his letters to i mean the president like so the one that back to my, the level of the executive board. i was going see there, he's as a falls off. okay. so the piece of the situation, john, if we are to unpack what's next full height, t v you and for example, is always a big yeah. in favor of an architect. so based on a transition, followed by an interim government, then election and then a transition towards more stability later in phase 2 and phase 3. but how can you put together the elements of a transition when nothing works in the country, you have an efficient government corrupt political elite, a corrupt business community. and you don't have keep little parties able to get

the act together of this crucial moment for the people of haiti. that's exactly the conundrum. it's not a unique one. this has been the case and some of the situations historically and, and transitions the, the international community such as it is, is getting better at managing transitions in some respects. it's highly challenge in many places. so this is no panacea to be sure. but the option is to face increasingly deteriorating, not, not just chaos, but really all fairly state collapse and uh, and with all of its, uh, in, in dodge. and that's an extraneous external effect. so really, this is the only path i mentioned trusteeship. you can call it what you like. there has to be some kind of an actor that provides physical security, instability, and some kind of a basic rule of law around which planning an order can be restored. because that does not exist, not only for the people of haiti, but for the region. the community of kind of being states, for example,

neighboring states and support. this has an international problem and it needs to be engaged in with bigger and urgency. and that will require security, external security. and by the way, i don't think a 1000 canyon policemen are going to be up to the task facing a barbecue and the games and so forth. that's going to require by much more robust, extraordinary moments for the people of haiti looking forward to see what happens in the future. john, do something for him, and while i do young jone pack, i really appreciate you decide. thank you and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just be a dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside. slowly. we can also join the conversation on x, a 100 is at a j inside. so for me, i should mind, but on the entire team here in the pipeline or the, the protests against policies from brussels. ok,

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