restricted understanding the reality for these demonstrators, it's president lucky, self reckoning, the stability of the country. i'll just say it was teens across the world when you click sensitive fonts at the store. and this has got submitted through ties with the united states, a setback from what was was a crucial online in west africa. it photos of the lead us in the highlands. 14 close ties with russia also taking power admitted to cruise. so what the impacts with base have on the region. this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program of how sion had by just a year ago, antenna blank and was india. the 1st of a visit by us secretary of state,

he hailed the west african country as quote mazda the present is a little democracy and a model of cool pricing. and 5 months later, the ministry ceased bala in a cool. now nisha is got to meet a 2 ties with washington, and once it's full says, to leave that follow full colonial power of friends whose troops was shown the door lock. this, in the meanwhile, relations with russia have been deepening with moscow's influence increasing in the region. swats gun rolled so quickly from washington's point of view. and what does news as well was that for us troops to leave being for the flight guys of drugs in the saddle, with basketball? got these questions in a few moments with us this report from almost as soon, sorry, a new jazz military government says the presence of us forces in the country is no longer justified its own to them out with immediate effect denouncing what it's

called, a condescending attitude, of an american delegation in the captain, you may flip talks, feel assured that popped in a diploma you regrets. the desire of the american delegation to deny the saw for new jerry and people the right to choose their partners and the types of partnership capable of helping them to truly fight against terrorism. even though the united states of america has decided utilized truly to suspend all cooperation between now 2 countries, a member of the us state department said the decision to end the ministry agreement by new share came off to frank discussions about the task trajectory ties between the 2 nations have strained since finishes men. she took power in a cool last year. washington suspended some entry agent responds, but in december offer to restore ties on some conditions. since the cool nation has done to rochelle for help of to kicked out french troops in december, maybe monday and booking of fossil,

which have had to military clues since 2020 have also tons to moscow for security, support control of the the restaurant duties. as for the russian federation, it's a partner with which media deals on the state to state basis. in accordance with military cooperation agreement, signed with the previous government to acquire military equipment necessary and its fine against the terrorists who claim thousands of innocence. new sherry and victims under the indifferent i of much of the international community nation has been at the center of u. s. military operations in the cell hill with the large drum base and hundreds of soldiers stationed there to the saw head region funds across west africa just below the sort of data that um groups linked to i. so i know kinda have been operating for years this year was seen as the last less than ally in the region. the state department's website describe it as a critic like to and regional efforts to come to texas and,

and promote stability for now, new chas. efforts to come back on groups in the region with nothing full of the united states and the consumption leave. i'll just see the full inside story in the that's the ring in august in boucher hey diet, hudson, senior associate non resident this center for strategic and international studies. yolanda and alexis a good year. i'm madison, director of similar for africa also than i do in capital. could be a demo. secuity and intelligence specialist focus in west africa and they have agent way to have the old in the program a diet. how, how to relations southerly declined between media and the united states of america . it's quite an interesting development on cedar in the us as been the one um

government engaging with nisha actually on government government basically the same thing. i kind of buy representation from that 10 deputy secretary of state to the assets i've sent, get you a page to service in your needs to have to be have the best to to present our credentials. so i think that there has been some form of appointments on the part of the us in terms of working with nation. but i think for me, share the problem is that the same so much fixated for the leasing. and we do know that this book lives in june, the eventually need drives and the show me soon um in the, in the john really especially considering the security template cache and the size of thoughtful nigeria does. that's good for the 1st step academy in thinking, alexis, well, i get to understand exactly what happened during that meeting between the us assistant secretary of state, molly the, on the michael langley,

the commander of us africa command with the top, new, shabby, and officials. but i mean from the, what the news areas are saying that the basically they didn't like the what the describe as a can this sunday attitude of american officials should we should waste time it up as exactly that point. or there's more to this new route between the americans on the new jerry is. i think that's part of it, but i think there is definitely more to this dentist to come to something oxygen. i think ultimately, the crux of the matter is, is choice of really true partners. and specifically, the choice of russia for us clearly seems to be for straight to that is uh, is moving closer and closer in terms of major corporation and partnerships with the russians. and we saw that in the statement from is what they were saying was that the us were trying to the noise in the machine to, to, to choose the ministry partners they wanted and the partnerships that style the

partnership. and they wanted to pursue this. i think that's ultimately what the problem is. now, pots it may well be a condescending attitude because that is a continuation of the type of language that we heard and the media of the month of the crew last july. where is the gym to was consistently say, look, the french have essentially a near claim is at the church and we've had enough for being dictated to and similarly we're seeing the type of language. imagine you're getting way they prefer . i just called us and they got to change, but specifically, i believe the attitude this one relation to then site will not be dictated to me because her relationships with russia could be if this is about russia's growing footprint in africa's high region, is this still a an opportunity for the americans to build bridges where they are far it is in new jersey about the need to maintain that part of the ship. one understanding that

political reality is changing and that the advocates have the right to have different bots. it is russia in particular. yeah, i mean, the sounds, the policy of it well with the big enough ministration with the african countries that's been one of the technician. i believe that is what has been stated in practical them. so ever. we all know that the focus of the american and most western countries have been on the agree and that, that has allowed a lot of development in africa, perhaps not. but so we want to go without the us sometimes even to be done taking notes or there for the blue, cultural. and i think this to an extent is what happened in new york. so it took us almost 34 months to declare will happen in new jerry. cool. and just like um, previously because mentioned, even after declaring the jericho they remained open to discussing with the

community, treat into which was a contradiction to what, what was presidents as expected. but i think beyond that, the fact that there was an election. yeah. in the us, the 5 of them for president beat in particular, he would want definitely to make actual case of the outcome of this particular. but i would say unfortunately, development, it seemed, it seems to me that i did it with the munition of the u. s. influence in the jar and in spite of the fact, like you mentioned, they maintained an open relationship where they don't time can inspect the basic despite several of the top top of u. s. government officials, the announcement def, calling from the cns b, it indicates that the point that i think it goes to crucial to how this would play out if the relationship that has been be if reinforced that between the 3 and the talk to my country. so what's, you know, 5, so money funding the jar on the influence that rushed by the industry countries. so

all of these i think and their own going to play a role in the outcome of how the car and look jim and please out it visit, did the americans, you know, in a way or another on the estimate. what happened in molly, which is interconnected with what happened in book in the past. so we should interconnected with what happened in the, in these uh, the same problem of the same mistake made by the french. a, you know, i think there may conceptually to fill out some days to make that. so if you look at the, with the english, like the previous, it shows that the last week i mentioned you took months before they put even things like b, c. cool. that has been lots of boss, daughter conversations. there's been lots of open conversation desk and lots of v 6 . actually most of the states are trying to learn from their mistakes in the side in booking. i am in in book in there. and of course,

in my live that and also you will find that well, be to you as kids to actually be back in their plus times. they will continue to engage on your country to country basis on the stand and the importance of the should to be a boy against ad. so the way you can tell what reason. so there is actually no on days commission. i think there is all just a different way of doing things by the minutes region to particularly the last all um, it'd be here. yes. a lot of money, but can i'm finishing, which is a bank on see what some fathers to and how about all the ash i sanction troops by the us actually did not prevent them from getting defense treatments if to go to print richmond. now the question is that we've been coming in no rush. yeah, which of course we continue to see that countries should be allowed to page, which will be one to they should not be. we should not, that's

a point to ask because i'll be happy to choose between the west to the u. s. for instance, all of us, we should actually have the opportunity to, to engage at whatever level and on whatever bases we want with these country. well the realities also quite talk you have talked in that's not collectively modern in terms of 500 uh soul just will be pull house eventually from the shit. when that happens, easy, the long trick that the asked me to call this. yeah, he's able to provide that, we do request change what not. that would be not to do with all the internet security could challenge rich. charles bought their implication for this i here. i think this is actually because what we actually see. okay, so as we speak to you to close the west africa, alexis, 2012 was a turning point in the sense that groups affiliated with al qaeda. and i still

decided to shift the prizes from the middle east to the have region. the french decided to set up a process in molly and then they were followed by many other countries that changed when the money and said we don't want any funding troops that so everybody that indicates it to these. yeah. now they've been kicked off from the yeah, what does that mean for the future? like guys these drugs. so i think it's a pretty spike before heading out on the head. i think this does leave is a and also because if i, so am all extremely exposed ultimately because i don't think that they have the capabilities to make up those numbers. when you push out one of those western troops. um, you can see an intent to try and make up the numbers by forming a security pop between themselves and turning to russia. but i don't think that's going to make the short for, you know, in terms of numbers. it's such a, you know,

in terms of capabilities because, you know, if you look at this new, a space, for example, variability to maintain surveillance across the hill, across a number of different competing situations in different folders out across different groups. that's assurance capability that's being removed and is not being replaced separately. implication is that we've tons of security situations going to to, to right. i'm in this area, but then also let's see what happened already and became if i saw and molly and i think that they'd see ration will continue, can be it was don, made a trip pack signed between them. not cause any jane to of 2014, that paved the way for the americans to vote for more infrastructure, particularly in i got these and in the capital. and you want me to try to contain the going binds over the on groups in this, the head of age and the american likely to further lose the fight against these. i'm dupes, as they are denied permanent presence in

a cushion. place such as need. yeah, i think if that's really important, that we appreciate the fact that before the americans and the african countries that are affected by this, the tentative of this groups more or less mor bang, you know, invited to one to you to address them, contain them all in the best i comes does get to read both of them and so there are 2 major issues that i would say my progress because did not mention i did the what we have seen in real terms. and i said it would also be the responsibility of failure, all of the problem issues like she in measurable terms, the interest of, of the country. and then of course, we do defy to mention that i've been, are, i've done this, it's not, i would, i would say,

i'm not the region. if i be at the moment this i have, the region remains in spite of despite them they shipped me, send the sport for to all of them in the world with several groups of academics in spite of digital version. so this question that led to populated in that and of godaddy beaman, for which they do not have about that. right. and it's also a little bit difficult to conclude in spite of the fact that we all agreed with that option. the any go left with what to do, given the circumstances that there was a reason to say that there has been a determination in defect every 2 seconds of us, incidental car in which if you don't get them to the time when suddenly shifts way out, they wouldn't use the one to 2 origin. so point i'm trying to make is it is a good time for a reality check for the types of mission, the types of agreements. and then of course, the objectives of the agreements, the public. i'm going through the same that we're not getting the best out of those

agreements. i need to the reason why it was deemed if that by since then perhaps, especially, and i want to emphasize this point, the 6 you read to 2nd quarter reform. um, you know, a training support that has been coming on the different phones from western country africa in reality, it's very effective and i think this is the result of what we have seen in several countries including the job. okay. a diet in news. yeah. a molly, i'm the and booking of fossil the june tele, does have been saying that the reason why this set to the foreign troops to leave is basically because the fight against iso outside of the audience of groups was not efficient to the country. they sold the pretense of full anti western sentiment, spreading across the beach and which could have a huge impact on their own personal survival. does that make sense to you in a way or now that was just part of the populace trends,

which has been prevailing that i didn't really know parts of the police trend. when you look at the test site from the games that was made with the with keep in mind. and there's not been heard me substantial opinions that we have actually seen. what do you look at the book and at 1st? so the numbers of people being cute, will definitely increase. less than 2 weeks. they both are way more than 150 people killed. the conflict itself is actually moving. that's one frame that we should actually pick called me sensible dyslexia, to cation of the actors, the purely provision of the actors in 2012 who were basically just dealing with a mila. and then the other groups came in. now we're dealing with multiple books, see him or i so as g f b, i chose to like multiple groups. we actually dealing with ben decide to keep moving stalls there from the most of the country in places like looking at what it does actually move into the be spend book, you know, as well. so in real time,

when we look at seats, it's not as seen, there is actually substantial progress. we have slow, get me, i mean, and we're making a lot of results to not vigilant the books themselves for me so much huge human rights violations. begin to cvb. s me. uh huh. okay, alexis, this is an area that has had a long history of bad governors, with body ins, long cycles of drought. and now the presence of on groups which have further expand that influence from the tiny groups operating in an rules. and molly, all the way to posing serious less to countries like go do flossing ago and getting a could it be the moment of reckoning for the americans all the need to reinvent the way they've been dealing with these groups? i mean, i would go so far as say someone with directory for the americans,

because i think it's a huge country that's very insular in the way in which is the world. and i think maybe they might reassess to some extent, but i don't think towards i'd go so far as to say if somebody went to reckoning. and just to expand to the previous point that i made would say something else that we haven't touched on in depth has been for the fact that there's not just the partnership with western countries that for them by the wayside. this countries are looking to lease a costs as well. so they're not looking to what we offer compartments. they're not looking to ship information, which is crucial to bear in mind the relationship between these countries with the pores, both a support phone put the situation in nigeria in terms of security is difficult to say the least, the security forces arrive as fresh spencer. we're seeing problems in the northeast, which has been the case for more than a decade in terms of islamic states and then also lastly, bulk of around whether that's a diminished group. and then in the north west,

we seem so to find that. so these criminal guns are roving and uncovered spaces. and when you see the groups, let's say i'm excited to the shop region, and then the so co bonded to bo freely now without for per um, communication between african countries. so then then we're going to remove all of these problems and that will come if molly between if i so, and as i say the, let's say for the top rope, it's been too much for us to speak to nigeria and then they don't can speak to us the partners as well. okay. could be a so we've reached this point, this critical junction where you have the knowledge, molly, news, your book enough also pointing out the from the g 5, which was instrumental in the fight against the insurgency threatening to pull out from the eco us. what does it leave all the countries like laurie tadja and chad was austin insisting we would like to be still part of the g 5. what does it leave the entire fight against these girls without further expanding the influence?

a look frankly, in a very precarious circumstance. uh, did you buy it? if i go to that? um, the major concrete, i mean the headboard does, wasn't in money. uh, there was planning to move it to new jersey and then of course the who happened in, in, in july. so that's good. other than that, um, to an extent test brought to him when police tons deal with the regional corporation. of course you have the multinational joint tax spots that is in chat before we insure new jericho. so we have member and then of course them charter as well. but in the fact that you have that wide, i'm giving a little that if it's a helps vulnerable and so we travel really def cost to the marketplace, video fucked. the multitude of groups that are operational and like i said earlier on, this is more or less than send the sport for them to read. the tentative and was at the moment. and then you have the original incorporation. that meant to address

that with the call ups and so that takes you jelly. i think um the by the a cool. and although i'd like the you, as i knew you need to come together, i'm the $11.00 flexible option. of course, it's just turned into most electron done talk sports and um, and of course, and then increase the sharing of intelligence. that's all i think about the deal. it's do i have the different on goes to, to discuss with you. so i appreciate you can give me some short answers. it does a russia have all it takes now to take over and replace america and friends in the south region? no, you know, i think that's the shed does not have even the geographical knowledge they own wrong knowledge or being in west africa on the side here like this, french or the us and the conflict, the securities actually too much for just one country and with very small numbers to manage and by this event, essentially i pick out the kind of places we give you

a fridge. that is not, it's, it's, it's not going to be who for those countries on, for the rest of west africa. this is more but what septic i'm problem then the united states of america will spread this problem. alexis, the may not have the know how though they have more incentives, more casual weapons to deliver to those countries. and also the success of obama, which is the difficulties of pricing in many parts of the region. i know i'm not going to have to sign the theory incentive. i think the incentive for the west is that there was a concern that um, the hell region will become a hot bed for instruction and things that might come and help them harden. so instead, it's mike coming to georgia tech's somewhere and you report in the us, i don't think bush has concerns about that. what the russians would be looking to get out of these a relationship. and they all catching is access to minimal resources that will access to gold. for example, they want access to diamonds. if a get hold of that,

just, that's what they want. and they can virtually get access to the things that they want and make some money out of his endeavors. but they don't have the same incentive about princess group. i don't believe they say ready for this type of attack then over in russia. mm hm. do you see the potential for this have region west african countries to break away from traditional allies, full colonial powers, the american and americans and embrace more parts associates with the russians and the chinese in particular in the future? a yes. so unfortunately, and i'm being realistic, the current and arrangements is not meeting the needs of some of these countries, and that is what the alliance of them once created and even more countries of the we, we don't yet know what the outcome of the options by the would, would be if they see it as being successful then of course, small countries went to the atlanta let. let's not forget that the economies of

these countries where by 10, by included 19 and then the current site consensus of the world at the moment. and so the, i need of update, and if the west is not providing that data and are a china russia trying to do that, then of course they're likely to do it in the direction that they don't have any concerns here. that group such as that model is not what it was the mean lead by uh yeah, uh huh. they could take advantage of this situation along with the country, but my seen on the move south, east north. yeah, i think that's just the reality. think the truth of america is that we just based on like a pig system or measuring tens of the above and not enough supports us to see these groups from um, from san my oldest groups to actually we are reserves with actually more small group people named people induced both in the next couple of months what the

effects of imagining access. we've been asking questions about what politicians think about this. go to situations and ask you these questions and give me a very short answer. if you don't mind, what are people in africa thinking about all these latest developments? i think because a lot in support of the idea that we will not be dictated to. i mean, i think there is something that has been tapped into a popular sentiment about enough is enough, particularly the funds i freaked project and we'd have to leave it that i really appreciate you inside the diet has said that excess aqua durham could be a demo thank you. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at to 0 dot com for further discussion goes to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash h a concise. sorry. you can also do i have a conversation on x, all 100 is at a giant sized buddy from the house, from my law,

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