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hello and welcome to the program. i'm. i'm a general anatomy of a genocide is the title of a report by the you in special raptor tour for the occupied palestinian territories in just $25.00 pages. francesca, albany, the sets out in start detail. her belief, the genocide is at the core of israel's war on god more than a $100000.00 dead and injured in just over 5 months. fueled by rhetoric from is really government ministers to the human ice palestinians and justify indiscriminate attacks. bombs dropped on so called safe zones where people were directed to go only to meet their depths, sustained attacks and destruction of hospitals and health facilities, denial of food, drinking water and medicine, and plenty more. well examined the report in detail with our guest shortly. first, this report from the costume sharif of the policy and mother grieving the depth of the delta v toodle and moment a terminal was killed by it's really shinning in gaza,

southern city, a for alpha as the depth destruction and suffering goes on a critical you and report now says there's reasonable grounds to believe is when is committing genocide in gaza. francesca albany is the un special rubber 12 on human rights in the occupied palestinian ted freeze says there are 2 indications. israel has violated 3 or 5 acts listed under the un genocide convention. they include killing members of a specific group, causing serious bodily or mental home, and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life to bring about its physical destruction. he's really has use become a flash of you money, tell you on low to characterize the entire police team and people in life sustaining a life saving infrastructure of gaza us target. adult key level destroyer will do you and specially repertoire says the relentless is rarely attacks on scale of

campaign and also also showed genocidal intent. blaming statements by seniors, rarely, military and government officials in disregard to the reports as the genocide, as part of a long standing settler colonial process aimed at raising native palestinians. these acts of genocide have be motivated by the human on people as seen in discourse, which characterizes the entire palace, kenya, and people in gaza as enemies to be around, dictated or forcibly removed. these rights are because being pervasive across those segments when he's ready. so site that is really high ranking officials, we've come on the top of all right to you routinely cold on soldiers to night, late to the people of gaza is compelling evidence of explicit and probably consignment to commit genocide. francesca denise is calling for an immediate arms embargo and sanctions on is run. her report comes just off to the united nations security council,

voted for an immediate cease fund casa and release of captives held that the policy being an investor to switzerland said, the report highlights how genocide has now become is really government policy in casa lindsey on the south store, but this has been clear to everyone since october 9th, when these really minister russell announced that he would cut off water, electricity, food, and fuel from entering the gaza strip all by speaking of the palestinian people as animals and not men. this was an explicit declaration of intent to commit a little crime, a crime against humanity and the crime of genocide by forcibly displacing nearly 2000000 palestinians and destroying more than half of the homes, hospitals, schools, monks, attaches. the report was immediately rejected by israel calling it an obscene inversion of reality. it's allied, the united states says the you and drop, which was mandate is biased against this while. but on the ground and gauze, millions of palestinians us too long to attack,

while many of also facing famine and disease, with no end in sight to the suffering from the consumption of these. i'll just see the inside story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guest in the middle, a suburb of with the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative and girlfriend and southern gaza use of how much guys advocacy officer at the norwegian refugee council. and in canterbury, jeffrey nice and human rights lawyer who prosecute his former serbian liter solve it on the loss of a welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside store use of. let me start with you today. what's the situation like on the ground right now in the rough i and as the special rapper towards report, doing an accurate job of reflecting what palestinians and guys are facing right now . the. ready go, i've been being change except for those in the past few days in the sense that we

are passing it on us. would it be a little. ready to figure it out, to get it out, that's the issue or the dishes, better citizens will outright then that's of the box as well. but unfortunately, that didn't happen. i'm not going to be change except for the was we have more ways, if displacements from the area also the same. we were hoping that this would be a whole box. unfortunately this, it seems, you know, this an endless nightmare that i'm going to use in the but i'm going through and guys, i just got them. and so, and, and then it'll be the roles, especially with the process kind of been in. it's much appreciated. i think it's 100 miles or what's going on here, but i don't think that any, any poor thing. couldn't jessica as far as getting by exactly what's going on here because this is the fee that we never know patient history before. most of one of

the things that report says is the genocide is a process, not an act, it goes on to say that genocidal intent and practices are integral to the ideology and processes of settler colonialism. i want to ask you, if you think that the way the report laid out it's context of genocide when it comes to palestine and palestinians is, is accurate. absolutely. i think that it is very accurate to band to shape and on us. and the fact that the link, the actual genocide that we see today and goes up to the, is it and the behavior and unit on since 1914. it is just because the, the general side started back in 1942 to lose the force. the no less than 70 percent of the understanding and popular and destroyed. so i found that the 20 for the student communities,

i'm going to text it to my seconds to force people out. and the it does the important to mention that 70 percent of the population of the gods. a refugee is for them that the beating from the time, the 1914 and the they haven't been subject to repeat ok patients to the occupation and that the 67 was not the 1st one that they would hope to by the 1956 to they was subject to then also to my so it goes about the cause much done any time before. mainly because media is the catch and what's happening and is reporting that before it was not supported and the one could not see what was happening. but the ending ality i talked to earlier, and then he with the conclusion, this is a process of human side that is very much linked to design, is that it's just ideology of set an article on the and is an idea that is expected so repeatedly by is there any need those data goal is to take away the land, some kind of studios to steve,

the land trump on this thing as i'm to force them out of midland. this is what i'm saying is we do prisons, jeffrey francesca, albany. these reports says that there are reasonable grounds to believe israel is committing genocide in the besieged palestinian enclave of the gaza strip. do you agree with that opinion? i don't think it's going to be very helpful for me to agree or disagree with it because for commentators to make kind of thing like a final decision on comfortability is, is kind help to view as very much well he is all i do to help them use to understand the basis upon which people i call them, easy and also moving on section by the international courts of justice. make the findings they do in each case qualified as being preliminary findings. and she makes her finding on the basis of looking 1st the 2nd, but in reality, 1st for the evidence of intention and genocide is

a crime of intention that the intention to destroy and wholesale parts of group. there's no possibility of genocide. anything else follows up funding? now that funding is can be made either by looking at what people say and she refers to things set by the leadership. well, what is done which it might be. so he's consistent only with one of the ways in which genocide may be committed and she refers specifically to the level of carrying the quantity of damage done. so what it is clear as all the common cases closer to the action than i am people who are on the ground . that is indeed material of the country identifies to support a possible finding of genocide intent and then to support one or other or the 3 ways in which she says the genocide may be committed. so it's of the,

i think it's a very important report. and in particular, for the reasons touched on by most of the it's a report which sets out that which is on speaker will in the miles of the western powers who best social responsibility for the tragedy that has developed to which they paid a part right at the beginning, going back to the beginning of the 20th century, not just after the 2nd world war and in respect to which they have been didn't treat to put it mostly in, in. sure. and it was either a one state or 2 state solution to a problem that was bound to arise. if you had 2 groups of people wishing to occupy the same piece of law that needed careful. power tree management by the external community did not need the worst besides the one side. so

the outcome of failure to do what should have being done may do close be said to be that which we have seen going back to the question. there is create a material, accomplish informed people closer to the action that i have, have found the genocide is indicated and the different tragedy. jeffrey, you mentioned the fact that the report highlights these statements that have been made by senior israeli military and government officials. i want to play for our viewers. a sound bite from the defense minister. it is really a lot of good want after october 7, this take a listen to. what do you have to say then i'll ask you about, what do you mean? i have ordered a complete siege on the gaza strip. there will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. we are fighting human animals and we act accordingly. so geoffrey, as i said, this is one of the statements. one of the many statements by is really officials

said after october 7th, highlighted in this report. also highlighted by south africa in its case against israel as genocide case filed at the international court of justice. just how damaging our statements like this going to be in the long run when you're talking about potential accountability or legal repercussions to do different type serves. and pull this to me and put this in terms of an accountability process for securing convictions. or do you mean input for the effect, cuz it might have on people working on doesn't come on to the person concerned. it's important in both respects, but dealing with the sacrament for us because that's the, the critical one. if you are an award of this kind of conflict of this kind, the things you say is a leader may be taken on board by those who are at the front line and the fact they respond. in fact, the way in which they respond don't do not respond to what they must be instructed

and probably have been instructed. pablo, as a rule, if you say things of the kind said the, it's gotta be much harder for you as a superior officer to criticize those. been a few, if they act outside the lows of wool. so it's extremely important and very dangerous from that point of view, as indeed may have been the observations. it's also important, of course, because it may well reflect the mental state of the leader and his colleagues. if, when any of them as a must be brought to a criminal accountability process, just bear in mind loss point. of course, in moments of great crisis, intention of the attack of the 7th of october, you'd say, is it can be, would generate a terrible reaction to people. people may sometimes say, well, i said that in the heat to the moment whether that is water will be said by these

people. and if it was said whether it will carry, weight is not for me. but for georgia, reach, decide and do cause. use of the report discusses how israel's assault has decimated, guys as already fragile health care system. we're talking about sustained attacks and destruction of hospitals and health facilities. how dire is the situation currently? i don't understand what specific isn't the 16. okay. they say suppose because open or do you guys are we have for the city, the generals because a 60 bit this is the biggest fortunately, the thing down to city is about to ship. i was doing try moving it back again to send didn't send you and use most, but that i think we need the case. the 6 to under certain guys on the city about

that the city 6 your have put it out. no. and unfortunately, related to that really needs to be the way i'm not seeing an action to be of interest to you as trying to increase that have to be without us being for i'm trying to we targeting hospitals and health care facilities. wow. yeah. unfortunately, that's an extra community, i won't, the desktop spins off discovery that is a lot of the draws a b, b and how fortunately we were to see i'm implying that i've been lying off the line with i've been pleased and gross and we didn't see any feedback from the national community and the i want to know the cd and if it's a dual signer, and if it's method cut off and there won't be active says no, it's got to be

a base they accept. we'll send that over to 1000000 people that are wrong. so we have that this is the $6061.00 data dash with the secure to be maybe. ready ready as most image and if even the housing units have been destroyed, meant that the federal government is this as a city have been destroyed and part of the world to be i think it was 2000000 civilians. most of it looked to me like you were reacting to some of what use it for saying that. did you want to add to what he was the point he was making? absolutely. i want to add about that situation. but before that i want to link uh what, what the video you, i've show and also go on to the minnesota for defense and isn't able to send a human sizes about intention. i'm and the actual practice actual and the things

that people do in this case, let's go on said was implemented. he declared that she was imposed seasonal in gaza and. busy because i would not have any access to life saving good bye to the city, what the food of the things. and that's exactly what i'm doing now. we 1st 700000 people now to start being in the notes on guns though. um the whole of the guys and population 2300000 people not suffering from malnutrition. as a matter of fact because of lack of access to clean water and the fluid. but the 1000000 people now and does that. a sick and menu of the amount of band motor that they should have already died because of my new position because of starvation and don't know and it goes on. but in addition to that, to the collab, who would 3 of them as human animals and look at what they have done, they use indiscriminate to the bottom and this little and does

a 70000 tons of explosives that there's like 70 kilograms of explosives. so each man, woman, and child, the outcome is shocking. 115000 people can do it. and just if we count those on the boat, that the 9000 people come, including 14500 children, 9500 women. the picture is clear. i'm more than that, the one that people are not allowed to be 3 to the 6 people are not allowed to receive treatment. 10000 cancer patients going to get an invitation that there's the table for thursday and it's doing what there's uh, if it does not genocide the sky and the other side, i'm gonna go and take them to look at what they've done. they've destroyed them from stuffed up so that's the life would be impossible. it doesn't. they want to make the police unbelievable. 32 out of step to success. but that is what destroyed

100. 24. i'm going up says what destroyed 341 has what comes on the totals who had killed 300 others were injured. 240 where. busy where the federal gifted i'm more of the mind to live at is the torture by is the number you want me to sort of come all university schools. everything looked at of pipelines in for the sector, including solar systems, home destruction, most i is, you know, side of course, most of them may, i just ask you because you're talking about the attacks. and i want to ask you about the fact that albany is, is report is calling for an immediate arms embargo and sanctions on israel. is this going to put any pressure on israel? also the fact that the one security council resolution was passed, it was calling for an immediate cease fire. does that in your eyes mean that you wouldn't member states or growing more in patient? i mean, could this all lead to any change and how israel is acting the assembly

the what is the men inside the pushing the sions as small the ashton avenue of the government's hu money will fame have been implicit complicit in the world? could i mind and thought to cannot i ask, who is a 9th of states of america, but doing that, but the public pressure is changing. governance policies, like we have seen in canada, and of course, when kind of the eclipse and they will not supply it is the best mix done. in fact, i think the united states of america has now the responsibility of immediate sees or all the supplies of many 30 what funds to israel. elizabeth substituted fire stumps. this done it, but as of the other side, that is happening goodness by the students. let me tell you that because the people that action this was the evaluation and so on is that it would be nice to have, have an impact. but the list of many of those tend governments and particularly

united states of america. and some of you, it'll be a couple of minutes, have really been complicit with the state of the crime. and they have to change that position because it wouldn't be a deal when they would be also at the pacific thinking these, what kinds of things don't stop lift me. do mind do that. this is exactly what happened to the jewish people during the holocaust that and that's is conducted on, of course. but many of those were complicit with that. and that's in the same mindset that allowed the genocide and the whole course that gives you which people is the same mindset that is allowing this kind of a genocide and low cost against the students. jeffrey um, i want to ask you about another aspect and in the report, the report says that after october 7, israel's characterization of guides as civilians as a population of human shields reached unprecedented levels. and it talked about the

fact that is really military leaders and government leaders were framing civilians and guys either is how mass operatives or accomplices, or human shields, among whom, how much is embedded. i want to ask you about the fact. i mean, international law does not permit a sort of blanket claim that an opposing forces using an entire populations as a human shield as an excuse to take any action they want on the battlefield. right? the correct and the old square, the ripple makes this very point that each individual packed of florida or aggression by these are the defense force seeking to rely on human shields as justification what they're doing on each individual act that has to be justification for what they do blanket defense is what justifications of this kind will not do. and this was just looking at the horrible escalation of events in gaza

. going back to the beginning, when commentators and officials with great her contact on the ground were reluctant to find as against israel, who had his hostages, to find and so on. and was facing a terrible attack on the 7th of october, was reluctant to find criminality. it quite rapidly became clear. the justifications in the law of rule for doing walks israel was doing seem bravo, hard to meet so far as the test is concerned. and once you started using, once it was clear that dumble and so and not being used and not a thumbs up, but target specific within the inevitable consequence of so cool collateral damage, which means depths of civilians, it's harder and harder to justify. and i think this is going to be in what right

trust will be an accountability process and that we come back to that after i finish the sentence. and i think the accountability process is rather better be ready with written on tape co computerized records of its justification done by bone bullet by but from what it has done because that is what will be looked for jeffery, the criminal, i'm sorry to interrupt, but just to we are starting to run out of time. i want to ask you from your perspective, what's the likelihood of, of seeing prosecutions going forward. uh, no, probably small because the western powers have no desire to see israel being or israel is ready. lead is being put on trial and a large number of potential him us defendants have been killed on the spot. and the others may be dealt because they may not be within the is riley criminal system for

the benefits. but what we should or press the button, and we should press our own prime minister here, and then going to say that there will be an accountability process. and they want against who interest form is issued. for example, by the international criminal court, will be mister netanyahu himself. then his allies will hand him over, because the interest of justice are greater than the interest of politics in this case, uses a we only have about a minute and a half left. i want to ask you about what kind of trauma all of this is causing for palestinians in gaza, for those who have survive for those who witness so much death and loss, so much fear. how are they able to cope with that? the stages they have pushing the situation more lives. it's a bit as cost a minute. the door's been expanded, saturdays and children out of bed or the design to recover from the

business conditions at the do this, this is, this is not that we had given before october bad. so the biggest experience and i can see that sincerely, we think age. so in the meant intended to begin statement and i think also got as god, but it's been taught to holding this message. there shouldn't be a see. those guys up is not only you got to really use the read use a gun shop because the texting which is part of the key in our lives and all right, well, we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the discussion there. thanks so much to all of our guests myself a bit of what the use of how much and jeffrey nice and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story isn't all strong. the conversation on x i handle is

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the carry, jocelyn go high with the wells headlines on. i'll just, i'll just air has obtained footage showing is very forces in guns, a shooting to on, on the palestinians dead at close range. one of the men repeatedly waves which appears to be a piece of white fabric. the bodies of the 2 palestinians have been buried by it's variable dies. target assume has mall from rafa in southern gaza. and in fact, a completely disturbing and distressing images that the v do that in just the or has obtained shows how to on ballast.