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new a pod series exposes the reality of the global emergency. there will come a time where no amount of dollars will be able to make up for what is broken and needs to people trying to make a difference. it was endless economic growth, a growth because rising for as nothing in nature grows dying. coming soon, the international court of justice tells israel to allow supplies into garza saying from in assessing in that but as previous orders in the will have so far been ignored. so what's the significance of this latest ruling and kind of help causes people? this is inside story. the hello again on jane space is not just palms and bullets getting palestinians and gaza. starvation is now claiming lives in the ballpark conditions imposed by israel
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on 2300000 people trapped him. one of the world's most densely populated areas, more than 52000 palestinians have been killed and over 75000 injured. and almost 6 months of relentless is riley attacks. now the entire population faces danger to from hunger and the lack of basic medicines. the situation is lessening so false that just weak soft a previous so what is the international court of justice? has made new ones. they direct israel to allow aid and food supplies into gaza and stopped simon from spreading the decision by the court judges underlines the increasing isolation of israel, and it still won't challenge for us, but israel's ignore the quotes previous rulings on the wall as well. so you end security council resolution for c spa, so what difference will the i c j's new owed is may, can, will they be of any help to the people have gone? so we'll be discussing all list with all panel of guess in a moment. but 1st this report from and we close ensure or it's
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a long walk sort of bowl of food. also, mohammed must move up to a hope. she won't return empty handed. he and his family, northern gospel, a fine to survive on lemon pebble of water for love. that rather unless i see the situation here is very difficult. there's no food or drink. we moved from place to place. we have been without food or drink for the past. day our houses and schools have been destroyed, our neighbors and loved ones have been murdered. when i go out, sometimes i fear, i won't come back. tens of thousands of palestinians across casa, are in a similar situation. it's prompted the international court of justice to issue new meshes, or bring israel to immediately add to address the catastrophic humanitarian crisis . call us by to go on garza and to open moorland crossings to loud desperately needed aid into district i. c. j judges said the palestinians in gaza or no longer
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facing only a risk assignment, but that simon is setting in. the order is legally binding. and the cold has told is road to take all measures to insure on hindered humanitarian assistance, to palestinians and gaza. or the new measure is a part of an ongoing case brought on by so that with the accusing is wrong or failing to opponents commitments. and in the 1948 genocide convention the court in january, the c j ordered as well to guarantee humanitarian assistance to siblings and gaza. i think it is clear that this is going to be a key aspect of the discussion for south africa going forward. this is potentially what might make or break the case in terms of like, how do you decide whether genocide is happening is going to be this whole debacle of the $98.00 to golfing agencies accused as well of severely of restricting supplies of humanity and aden took also with lend the security checks,
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creating cooking shortages, the food supplies get only a ride to to border crossings. is one has been widely accused of ignoring the icy g o the is made in january. we haven't seen any change off of this is illusion on the golf. we haven't seen any impact in other people's lives the other day. we haven't seen any impact thing. uh what uh, ways of delivering document 88. despite the united nations security council, calling for an immediate cease file, these riley military continues its assault on casa for the tripling 8 supplies. are you unexposed tripled this week? has also choose this route of genocide, deluxe and district b. i. c, g has us as we have to report by the end of april on all the steps it's taken to abide by the new provision of measures. in the meantime, palestinians like mohammed must move up the face a daily battle to find food,
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to survive, to let me go. so i'm sure these on to 0 for the inside story. while we're going to get deeper into the legal and political significance of the course, decisions with all guests today. and also all the in the says is professor international laura queens university and author of new books, the united nations and the question of palestine in the hague. and the netherlands, um and i will fool as an international law and research for processing in human rights group. l hack. i'm on the assignment here in doha act. bob shaheed, ahmed, senior diplomatic correspondent at huff post. he's come with us policy on garza since the obama administration. welcome to all of you. i think i'm going to stop with you today. um and you are the in the, hey, this is where this happened. but let's just take a few steps back because i think people are aware of the international court of justice is doing this case under the genocide convention. i think that'll be some
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thinking, well, didn't we already have this story in it making its ruling in january. so explain what happened in january 1st for us as well. i am. thank you for having me again in january, the decision 26 of january was the court ordering. so the provision measures deciding that israel is committing and as plausible of committing the genocidal acts that listed in, in that order and ordered israel to stop. and it's emitted troopers from committing these acts and stop incitement to age and aside, and allow him to turn a and south africa, then went to the court again and asked for other and provision majors. and the decision for provision measures of this time is focused on humanitarian aid. and that can be a turn situation and, and because it's true, of course, in part south africa asked about consequences and on other states, 3rd party states. but the court predicted to answer this question for the simple
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fact that it cannot rule on the responsibilities of states that are not potty to the current proceedings, but on human terran aid. what the court ruled, i think, was a pretty significant and different from what the court ordered uh before. first for 1st of all, let me just explain to find that the court accepted this request. it means that the situation has changed and remains in the way of plausible cause for genocide. it's an indication of the duration of this situation specially on the military front wall and 26 of january 2 months ago. the court called on his route to enable him a tarion at age. and this, the ruling, the court is cooling it, doing as well to ensure human sharing aid in cooperation with united nation agencies and referring in particular to allowing him to turn and buy land, including increasing a line cross things that would allow him to turn
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a and the got the strip and i think this is a recognition by the court of the necessity of allow to minutes. aaron, a, a by land is also a slab to all western states that are complicit in this genocide. then try to whitehorse their complicity by and dropping some air from a see here. and they're thinking that be all it cancel this, this problem. but the ruling also shows the evolution of opinion by judges and the court. so some judges that did not even vote for a certain proficient measures, including on human turn in or other situations. their position has evolved now like the judge subject into from gun to who voted for the current provisional measures. we see also more and a separate opinions by judges that chose frustration by this, by the judges. so we have 6. okay, okay. well, what are the, discuss some of the details of what the judges. i'll saying about this in
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a moment. but 1st, all the just before we get on, i want to go through the details of the ruling with, with each of you in a moment. but how long use, i mean the 1st it's on usually is it not that this international court of justice is dealing with a case like this. it happens that it's the genocide convention, but normally they're dealing with pretty dry cases about between countries about treaters. but how unusual is it? the coal comes just 2 months off to one ruling and comes up with another routing as well. everything is going to be determined on the facts of the case. and the facts of this case necessitated in the be with the court a revision, if you like, of the provisional measures. the situation on the ground has become much worse and it has been since the 26th of january order was initially given. and the court sets out the nature as your previous segmented of the fundamental changes that have taken place, rather than, for instance, famine being merely or wrist. it is in the courts view now setting in articulately
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in northern gas malnutrition, among children under the age of 12 to rather is spreading unprecedented levels of food in security and so on. and so as a result of these, this fundamental change and circumstance, the court viewed it as perfectly reasonable and within its purview to respond to south africa's request for a revision of the professional measures order, which, which he did to call you all the no lawyer on the panel today, how do you think this will be seen diplomatically and politically before we go into some of the details of the really, i think that's a few important implications. james. i think the fact that the court is getting so specific about land crossings on the un in ways that didn't kind of reflects the broader political conversation around 50 us factors. read the operation. right. the fact that we've gone from talking about humanitarian assistance broadly to think how many trucks is a drill letting in for the for outside thought you'd have to get into the menu shop
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. is a reflection of how much do you have really gotten in 6 months since this war is really being stopping a new list, right, and will be the other documents wouldn't not facing the scrutiny. so that's an important reminder, i think, to this, this mention of simon setting in is really important because that gets us to a conversation, not just about food, right. as such as calories, you punk pro food at solving people, which is what's happening. you need to get the medicine, right? they need die as non nutrition. so this opens up a whole big conversation, james, that i think international governments, international eat organizations reading needs be having at are going to be leaning on this. we're going to have and let me read you the very 1st part of the order. it says the israel needs to take all necessary an effective measures to ensure without delay in full cooperation with united nations. the on handed provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services on humanitarian assistance. it goes on, we'll come to that in a moment. but that line about the united nations comes at
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a time with the head of on road, which is the main body of, of the united nations has been delivering most of the aid. it had a commission to general fleet loves it really wasn't allowed him to go there last week. it's not being allowed to deliver aid. took also on role has been demonized by israel, claiming that it's, it's people who are involved on october the 7th, but has provided the un no, no proof of that, no evidence. but do you think quite deliberately that citing the you and in that part of the order a no, absolutely. i think that absolutely the, this is the top court over the you on the quarter lies and for found the on the information it gets from you and agencies and you and agencies and other agencies have been abundantly clear that there is assignment looming. and because of strep, and his role is the one responsible for and beating humanitarian aid. so the court is directly responding to the situation and the ground. and as we mentioned it's,
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it's going in details what needs to be done. so it's also listing what kind of humanitarian aid needs to be done and what needs to be allowed to the people throughout the guys this trip. it reaffirms the need for this him ethernet to access the guys this trip through land and always saying that there is no alternative just to that. and through united nation agencies in particular on our law, we have been c, c, h. i'm here in service statements that there is no alternative for on or what. so i think this should be a signal to all states that in my view, shane shamefully cut the funding or suspending funds suspended funding from on or want to review this decision. now we start seeing, seeing it's happening, some of these days have already and, and restarted their funding to, to honor why, because to be on is the way this funding was thought is in and by itself is problematic. at least they didn't receive any evidence before suspending funding to
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enter why they just entertained. is there a the lies a lie after lie? if there was any doubt that israel has been lying for the past 75, he's, i find that we're, we, the policies are very familiar with. i think now it's obvious to the war that israel pathologically lying. a lie after lie is our lives and the west advise and in my view, not because the wish believes israel, but they try to find any excuse for the month, for his actions as committing, i guess, as being population and goes on to all the as well as being a professor of international law, your former un official, why do you think israel is demonizing the un in the way it is? i mean, the prime minister of in israel benjamin netanyahu just refused to call the un secretary general antonio gutierrez. he's tried to the sex youngest, tried to make calls to him since october the 7th, and he's not picked up his cold once. now you have this attack on, on. what do you think is the, is really a strategy here with regard to the un?
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i have found, eventually to politics of distraction. these re lease have been under the microscope of the united nations for decades now in respect of the policies and practices they have been pursuing in the occupied palestinian territory. this settled that territory to de, populate the territory of its past and in need of inhabitants to use torture against them. ended out now in gas to starve them, to indiscriminately bombardment and the late. and because the united nations called israel aloud as it would most, any member state within its purview for these violations of international law, israel's attempting to shift and to blame or shift the story by focusing on the messenger being the united nations. this is a longstanding practice of, of, of the israel in respect of its policies and practices in the occupied policy and territory. when i was legal counsel at honora, i literally don't for at least a decade and a half in trying to manage a these, these spurious claims. and then going back to the i c,
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j a provisional measures order. no one might ask, what is going to happen next? the all one needs do is look at what happens with the previous provisional measures order. on the 26th of january, with the last provisional measures order that was issued within 24 hours of that order. having been issued sprays allegations against on the staff. some 12 we were alleged to been told by these rabies staff were alleged to been engaged in the events of a 7 october. and that gave rise to all manner withdrawal by western states of support for honora. so at a time when the icy j called for the increase of humanitarian aid to the beleaguered people of gas or the starving people of gas on the western states pulled out. and so you see that there is this, this claim against the united nations that it's various and it's part of the, israel's management of the situation as a whole. i bought your austin based uh at the state department in washington. um,
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let me ask you what, what, what the us view it is of this because on capitol hill, they are not kind of fund done right. any time soon? do they realize of the point that we, the we, the, we just heard from audi that these are spurious allegations. and i think the audio is the good point that shooting the messenger as a tried. and so i said, you know, tactic for diverting from the actual, you mentoring situation, i think, and run as an agency is going to still facing a pulled baffle that said, i think defy c g or to comes at a really interesting time for the us administration. because the state department actually is facing a ticking clock for an assessment the have to do on israel's provision of humanitarian assistance by early to mid me, the state department has to certify, but it'd be agreed. israel is making real assets to supply humanitarian a. now, as has been mentioned, of course, the prior i c j order all sauces reality. israel said, oh by doing a great job,
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right. and then simon wants to play. this doesn't mean that that's going to be a magical shift. but it does mean that the public scrutiny and the pressure is growing, we've already seen since the i c j or to israel has out of the blue set. oh, surprise. we were able to do that in 9 low food program trucks into northern casa. right? so like going to see some steps from the 3 sites. i think it's really important for low me because for officials, experts within the us government to say these steps are kind of drops into bucket. right? so 9 trucks is all can change the scenario. these really civil side, although by going to rely on the palestinian plans instead of you and agencies that instead of unreal, that's really been roundly denied by all 8 organizations locks us. if you i'm saying that's not a way to distribute aid. so i think we're reaching a real crunch point change because if the. c us down on the side by mid me that israel is incredibly delivering aid. that is a real conversation that has
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a thought about whether us military assistance for israel and gaza is even legal. and so while the us can disregard international, of course they've loved to do that right. for decades. this is u. s. domestic law by talking about and this i c, g, or what we're seeing in terms of conditions on the ground, deteriorating, seed into that whole debate to ahmed. if you look at the 2nd part of the ruling, it says in show with the major the fact that it's military do not commit acts which constitute a violation of any the rights, the policies and goals as a protected group. on the convention on genocide, do you think this helps us in any way? because of course the court, these are provisional measures, the court is still trying to decide the basic thing. it's been off to decide whether there is a breach of the genocide convention. and i know you've read the individual opinions of judges, i'm going to do all we're beginning to get some idea of that thinking on the biggest case here. yes, absolutely. but if you allow me just sit on their web briefly, i think that tap on our was not necessarily on their organization proceed,
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but what it represents, i think this is a tag on the palestinian and everybody's ride to return. i don't know, i represents the living memory for the war that the policy is still hold onto the right to return to their homes and vintages from which they were ethnically cleansed by scientists, gains and 1948. and as also of the colonial verdict, one ends this ride by ending on the one on the important, unimportant points on the white of the, on the why the case don't genocide case. do you get any, any, any feeling of, of where perhaps these judges are going now? i absolutely, i think we're witnessing, i never lucian, of, of the positions of judge's reading the separate opinions. you see, even the, a german judge for example, seems to be leaning more to the fact that there is a special intent for his route to that is right, is committing genocide. it's important to know that this stage the cord is not asked to determine that is run is in fact committing genocide. but to determine there's a plausible co case for genocide and this has been determined and the courts seem
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to be at or the judge is now relying heavily on the fact that israel is using humanitarian a at to establish the genocide on 10. so not necessarily only the genocidal acts that have been listed in the previous uh, m f provision measure order. but now the fact that is right deliberately preventing humanitarian aid and creating conditions calculated to bring about the destruction of the palestinians as a, as a group in whole or in part. but also some judges refer to the fact that israel has been using a humanitarian. is it as a bargaining chip, or the fact that israel has been using him in turn, a not allowing it to. so this and in a way used by a judges is a unusual language and give you an indication how the judges are thinking. now i think let me bring, you know, let me bring in all the now on this order. one thing that's not in there is a cold for a see saw,
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is that something already they could have done if they wanted, because i've heard some legal experts say no, it's not possible because a mouse is not a states and it's not represented that the hearings you of, you will not please audi that quite right. and you can see that based on the opinions offered by members of the court and the majority of the court. you can see there's been a discussion between the court on whether or not they can call for a cease fire and it appears based on that discussion. the members of the court do not believe that they can call for a cease fire because one party to the conflict and ass is not before the court is not a state is not a party to the proceedings, and therefore it would be folly in the view of these judges to call for a general seatbar notwithstanding. there is a good number of judges, 7 of them, in declarations that they issued separately. they call for very clear ceasefire that urge and express dismay and disappointment with the fact that the court did
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not find it within its privy to call for a general cease fire. judge use it, for instance, says all the indicators and genocidal activities are flashing red in java. this can only be achieved and it can only be achieved through suspension with immediate effect of israeli military operations. the australian judge, judge charlesworth, and mind me, she said, the court should have made it explicit the called for a ceasefire, precisely because it is the only way in her words to ensure the basic services and the amount of tearing assistance for each the palestinian population. and so there clearly is, as was discussed earlier by accident and evolution of the court. more and more of the judges of the court are demonstrating that they're becoming impatient with the actions of the occupying power and require in their own views a ceasefire. but there is a technical reason as to why the court could not call for that. and the reason is that the mass one party did the conflict is not party to the lawsuit. and i think i
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need to take a step back, however, not look at it so technically sorry, james. and we need to take his take a step back and not look at it. so technically, we know that the population is starving. we know that based on united nations, including the ice, and jason is family that is setting in. we also know that the occupying power is blocking humanitarian aids for at least 6 of its land crossings to the guys a strip. and that this, this air dropping is not enough. so there's no question that a reasonable person looking at the situation on the ground shouldn't be able to say that there should be a ceasefire as the security council. the united nations has already called for. and hopefully this is opinion and the separate opinions of, of members of the court will help push in that direction. okay. it's was noticing that the international court of justice is still discussing and advisory opinion on israel is long occupation. and there's another case coming up, nicaragua is taking germany to court, saying it's participating in the genocide, but then that perhaps um,
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it breaks the question, what's the other very important course in the, in the, in the town where you are right now in the, hey, what's the international criminal court doing because they're the ones who are supposed to bring will crimes charges on a. absolutely, and it is our position as a hog. we made it appear and on multiple occasions that is long overdue for the international criminal court to start is showing ever as warrens. it is becoming abundant. the peer that the persecutor of the criminal court, mister cream hunt is dragging his feet. and we speak of confidence because we have, besides the requested information and documentation of such crimes, that he has enough evidence to start issuing ever as far as far as where a war criminals, including the dipper personnel, but also leaders of the highest level, including the scenario and so it is long overdue, and it is quite as strange as shocking. but until now we still don't have a these are as far as, but if you allow me just to,
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to clarify something here. and i think guys, as he understands very well that it can play all the diplomatic maneuvers it wants, it cannot jump over the post the institution. so there will be a re, as far as i am sure of that. and there will be a risk for assume, but the ways in which the court will move forward with this investigation is also the particular importance there need to be, i think particular focus on which cases would be selected, which crimes will be advance. and okay, the only time was the i'd like to bring in act about just one more time if i can, because i think, you know, many people think that israel is likely to comply. it's not comply with the the, the, the security council resolution earlier this week, probably not like to do that, comply with this court order. but do you, is you look up the diplomatic climate right now? do you see israel more divided the knife or is it developing prostate to squiggly? yeah, i think james, israel is under a huge pressure at home and abroad. right. right. i mean,
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so nothing yahoo is deeply unpopular. the hostages are not home. families are deeply upset and is really not ready coach even on it's close to the front of us. so i think from an is really point of view. it's clear that this strategy and this approach to the war is not working. so while they can continue blocking a, they can continue staying. but next we're going to stripe ross on the even tulsa, that still no onset from the really side of how any of this gets any better. and that's what we need to see, and i think that's what the american administration is dying to see from the it's really side, ideally from that perspective, from someone other than benjamin netanyahu. but i think right now it's on clear how that change with a code within israel, whether his government will fall apart. but all these outside pressures are really in suckling israel. and i don't see who's showing them off at this point. i mean, you've even seen from style come out and say, french's really soul just could be liable. and the french law as a whole network as a whole framework us more crimes potentially could be implicated, right as
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a whole network of kind of obligations and potential prosecutions facing israel, that they don't have a good response to write them. st. q. gentleman so much more digit discount sometimes i hope this program which this program was an hour long. it's not an audi in say, is ahmed. i will full. and i bought shaheed ahmed i, which is here, is, has teams on the ground and gone. so you can watch their reports and get plenty of analysis in context by going to our website out. is there a dot com? what should we discuss next time? tell us on facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also find us on x well, at a inside story, the little the team here in doha. please stay safe and healthy and i'll be back in this chair again very soon, bye bye for now the these people of practicing skills needed to save lives in the heat of battle. they are roughly divided equally between men and women. if
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a woman meets the physical criteria and has the right to cycle logical motivation, she can absolutely perform tasks at the level of any man as a dentist. again, a has registered for possible military service if needed, or look at my toll and someone will be hit as a person with a medical background, i have to know what to do. this ukraine begins the 3rd year of his full scale rule . there was a growing awareness of the need from old military posts and now i do believe women have a high volume in the army. and for some positions they're more suitable even according to my middle command. so there is a place for each woman, but i understand else that that it should be very hard for mothers to leave the family. but as to when it runs on, it's a decision increasing numbers of women may be cooled on to make a mechanic nose, a motor home from a macaroni. and so do we. it's why we work with bill cuz who may could be
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