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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoyment it's and bob weighs been hit by a severe drought destroying crops on which millions of people rely for food. it's another example of the impact of climate extremes, worldwide, a threat facing the whole planet, say, scientists who warn that action is needed immediately to avert long term disaster. for those who become victims of the impact of climate change, it may already be too late. man made catastrophes such as the wars and gaza and ukraine are in sharp focus, internationally reflecting the horrors of conflict. but while attention is quite properly given to these political disasters is enough being given to the global threat from climate change, does the world's attention need to be re focused? we'll be discussing this and more with our guest shortly. but 1st, this report from michael soon sharif dr. fields and based across a severe drought. and so that with the has left 20000000 people going hungry off to milwaukee and zambia. zimbabwe has declared a state of the sauce to, to leaving the region that was once and had to be such as have

a house and green exposed to needing emergency aid to feed its own people who will buy a food situation is difficult. we only eat once a day because we have nothing in the fields, not a single grain. everything has dried up in the drought. we also have problems with sourcing water el nino, the naturally occurring climate, patton, the booms, pulse of the best, civic ocean, etc. 2 years has a major impact on for the weather. in south africa, it typically causes below average rain falls. this year it brought the worst route in decades. the united nation says major food growing areas in middle of the was on beek, the media, zambia, and some bobby, i've seen some of the lowest rain full in for 2 years. the crowd production is very, very much effective by the current on the new situation of to the, the 1st grains in january. but since,

and there has been no ring. and so we're really dreading to see the results of the 2nd girlfriend lice doke assessment because it will likely tell us about the very, very poor production during this year. sign to see climate change is raising sea levels melting sheets, how it tends to homes and sleep from one fires for the 1st time in january, the will reach the benchmark warning level for blo be increase of 1.5 degrees. sceptically. exploits predict for the super challenging of global warming from effects such as a new delivering record. breaking temperatures last year was all ready to help the stones reco, terribly droughts, floods, and other extreme weather is expected as globally temperatures continue to rise. venezuela is already battling a record number one fires. it's amazon region record in nearly 6000 fires in march

alone. but the impact of rise in global temperatures goes beyond human life. it's wreaking havoc on vaccines and northern albania, and the van lagoon is seen a steep decline in the number of my great tree butts. go ahead and drag a button on rising water temperature. rising sea levels and other phenomena have little decline in fish talks of including deals in all the goods in old pena, the peasant, the rest of europe, conflicts and climate crisis affecting the lives of millions around the world. but the urgent need to talk is kind of change seems to be overshadowed by boys in gauze and ukraine, as well as other geo political undressed on the consumption launch is evil for inside story. the. all right, let's go and bring in our panel in dublin, in ireland, john sweeney is professor emeritus of the newest university and a specialist and climate change and can use capital. my roby, maurice on the on go,

is regional head of disaster risk management plan international. that's an independent development in humanitarian organization. and then born in germany, color born tempo is director of the coordinators, copernicus, climate change service. thanks for joining us all today. we appreciate your being with us on inside story. maurice, let me start with you today. as in bob away have declared a national disaster over this drought and president emerson and god wishes the country needs 2000000000 dollars in a to help millions of people who are going hungry. he's appealed to you in agencies . he's appealed to local businesses. well, the country actually be able to get this aide and just how bad is the situation. thank you very much tom. i the name of the country. so i'm curious the question because essentially you're paying for no human being should be died. oh wow. that the no child should be, don't say no to school or because of drought. no data should be ready to off

because because they're formulated cannot feed them. this is a painful now when she has a humidity and we need to out and do something now. so that it leaves the children that are suffering so that obviously got kind of good they, they mean they got it started in school, i'm not mind at all so that they can feed their family. and the situation is, but i did see really, really di amc and so they're not going to allow me the idea of the something assessing position. i'm very positive vending is really, really bad according to the freak of development committed. so there, there is, you know, so as really received ban and literally went to graham in 40, some of it was to john the too much brain. 20000000 people. i was cutting clean needles, but he might need any assistance. so i'm just going across the whole region we're seeing in any areas. we are planning the measurement of hey, use walking in my last week in zimbabwe and in was a big and some. yeah,

we have seen very high levels of i've sent to them already because for me, these kind of, we did children shooting and i dropped out of school so that they can also get walk . so that becomes support the family, which is not really something that should be happening. this thing changed. so then the international community maybe still ought to know what to describe. does it seem itself enough because john, you just heard maurice say that the international community needs to act to combat all this. of course, we know that wars are raging in gaza and ukraine. this means that even though the battle against climate change continues, climate change is making far fewer headlines that it has in the past. is the world paying enough attention to this threat that the entire planet is facing? no, it's not. and of course everything that maurice said is very valid. um, but i think the problem is that some people to switch off with the latest headlines

and, you know, we here on our television screens in our radio, we hear about these extreme events. but we, we, it doesn't propel is at least in the developed world, into joining the dots and saying that a country lives in bob way, suffering those extremes. it's not their fault and it's not them the i've caused the drug concerns. it's really the developed world. and it's getting that accountability across to the general public that i think is the biggest problem that we face in terms of communicating climate change. at the moment. we have a difficulty is that people tend to react to short term concerns rather than medium term concerns. and long term concerns. so the pressing events that we see in our screens every night, for example, how she was their attention. but the prospect of something of a slow one. so she bent like a drought and that doesn't really capture people's attention. and also of course,

when we're dealing with climate, we're dealing with something where there is an element of uncertainty. and traditionally, i suppose that the climate scientists have been reluctant to legal events like the problems in zimbabwe was caused by climate change. for most of my career, i had to hedge around to questions relating to individual events like that, but i'm very pleased, but no science has advanced to the point with the attribution studies that we can do that we time labels such events. and i think that will bring, i didn't need to say to those kinds of mainstream events, especially to decision makers. and that's something i'm very hopeful will feel like lose the dial, a bit, enjoying the dogs between who's causing the problem and what can we do about it in the developed world. and how do we protect some of the people who are most vulnerable that that morris is talking about,

their carlo. i saw you reacting to some of what john was saying that looked like you wanted to jump in. so i'll give you the opportunity. no, just think the guy i be completed, what the, what does the set and i guess generally we have to go to tom as well. and just to distinguish between what is the 4th respond to the 5 system to our nation. and these are certainly a state in the size of the files and they have a 6 assessment report to see easily assessing thing a role in some of these. the events that we have this kind of today is that the precipitation response to not everybody is likely to become stronger in, in the, in the middle of the same columns for doctor by 80. so, and we do know that the meal is the word phase, all the selection that this whole thing as well. does that mean? yes, that's ok. exactly. if you use to, instead of that and these, you know,

we don't mean you're, there is a higher tons of beloved because of the nation in a good spot. so in a sense, this is not a pose per se, by saying that not to be as existent for, for decade, for centuries, for millennial, most of these emails about the coming on sale, it's more strongly now because we get really, you know, pretty different. we're going to be leaving in the world that they need to resend those fines allies to the the, the, the world, our generations need. so we are now $1.00 degrees to clean the temperature for the little bit. yeah, it's and the describe the discipline limitations as a consequence. c, stronger and also from the violation is not a bad car. let me ask you, since you brought up el nino, i want to ask you how is the current el nino climate pattern different than ones

we've seen of the past? well this is a medium size is last year and the spring time it was declared in, you know, by the transportation was typically the stages of lead, you know, is the temperature of the total pacific ocean and several officials, by the know, the something in the or the a degree of the be in the, uh, the normal temperature of the city. so, you know, uh well do that. any of the above letter to you before you get a sense, i mean, you know, stopping, buying the lakes, figuring the summer and then they probably gonna be seeing the peak around christmas for no. uh yeah. and now we are in the k, the face of that, he's like to get a new condition by like spring and he's not switching, but i mean, yeah, by,

by some, what strange of these, amino was the fact that a lot of what the kind of scientists cool connections, and i'll be in class when not as strong or as clear as to keep the connection to the connection means any different by the end of the c i. some of the most the i told the bible such as temperature ever since they cannot be held responsible. the reason is uh is a drawing network signal or straight the uh denise. uh uh, so it goes to where i'm in. my signal will be here over southern not freaking out. right. so of course carlo. he's sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but it looks to me like john, like you wanted to to add something to it. carla was saying, well, he's going to has it? yeah. wants to add to what color was saying there and the cell nino has been unusual, but it's been unusually one respect in particular and that is the warmth of the

oceans and all over the low been side. so by the end of last year, 90 percent of the world's oceans has experienced the marine heat wave. and that's quite unusual in the middle east and of, and then you mean your event. so it's telling us that there's been a bit of a dislocation of climate going on as carla was saying, they expect to tell the connections went as strong as one might expect. and even, you know, despite the changes we saw there were other things that weren't even making the all new if you like on steroids in some respects. and that is a less than 2 is i think that we may be disrupting global climate with the scale, which we haven't really appreciated fully yet. that we saw, for example, huge losses and the, and talked to the sea ice. we've seen boss of lacy or losses on land as well. so i think we're seeing things hot and maybe we haven't been quite prepared for. and

of course when we see those on our screens are not on our radio. and there's an element of climate fatigue sets in with the general population as well. so we have to be, we are, but we have to convey the message, perhaps in a more original way that perhaps in a more direct way than we did in the past. and, and that's maybe what we can learn from last year, the warmest year and much the wonder and over a 100000 years. and that, that's just the universe and far as to, to take on board. i think maurice, let me ask you to follow up a little bit on what john was talking about there. cuz you know, he's essentially saying that, you know, the world really needs to be paying more attention to all this. of course, we're talking about a time, right? now where you are, have zambia and malawi, they've also recently declared states of disasters due to drought. and there are fears that this drought that sweeping throughout southern africa could be one of the worst in decades. how can you make people pay more attention to this?

and actually start acting on it and doing something about it. thank you. i think the evidence, she says wait a minute and clear the dying. that's beautiful. i dying the mileage and my, me, my, my management of the children, the numbers idea seeing that as missing food in south africa. and if she goes to the countries legs. yes, that's the beauty for most magical use as a home see deals. i'm now in trouble that attends you, that the situation is extremely, extremely dire. i'm the daughter was about to join was mentioning earlier my, to me and these kind of been, you know, he's a, he's a key is way to different. yeah. we are seeing extreme cases on the climates getting older and you're not really something i don't think that they are the only the main factor in eastern i think that was the same causing flooding in areas we jo effectively usually baited. right?

so the national home in india thing we need to really, really go back and start acting on our promises, making sure that people don't die. you can do some checking because on the drought . so we know that is going to be a plus because of climate change, but we try to do something. we've done a product, we can, we can make sure that you have supporting children to go back to score. we are, we can make sure that we have, we have supporting communities to avoid hunger and very easy to say of something that is going to really get less. so we have just to make sure that we, i look at doing this on the governments. once you get a feeling was i was planning to national is that the government also started me to start investing in symptoms. most of the limited changes made to be here with us government's international. how many do you need to start getting money in terms of performance of government on climate change so that the blue there is access for communities to get funding that they can help in terms of want to provide mules.

i'm please send you inflected and so we recently, but we need to really invest in maurice. let me, let me also ask you about some of the other knock on effects of all as we talked about other to potentially also be flooding the. but the fact of the matter is right now you have the un office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs. they're saying that this drought is causing many people to use unsafe water sources . this may potentially fuel color outbreaks and that's something that's already effecting several southern african countries as i understand. so how much worse could this get into teams really, really good. it was um, as you mentioned, to me uh, saw that actually you guys had one of the last 2 paychecks on a similar to countries, a whole new amazon the most. i'm busy by way of them. i've had very serious cause is on the phone, on the visual as mentioned, was very clearly that this has to be the one on their watched cases on corner. and this was mainly driven by the quick access to them because they dropped the entry

office. so you can solve that, i think. so is each vision goes ok manager and you to live in get lost because we, when we have the most on this episode of extreme inclement morning, really has to be i've seen in the recent past. so investments around that was done it to use as supporting communities, making sure that'd be, have access to water and making sure that they have access to our food. it's cindy and definitely good job. all these are things that we all need to invest in at the local level, but also getting support from the international community because visitors are remote desktop. that's how you doing get us john, i can see you want to jump in. i'll give you that opportunity. just a minute, i just need to ask carlow, a quick question, carlow, you know, we're at a point in time now where droughts the floods, the other extreme weather events. they are expected to only increase. you have global temperatures that are continuing to rise from your perspective. what

measures should policy makers be taking to try to mitigate the impact of all of this and, and, you know, how can they make the world more aware that more needs to be done as well? you know, some, some uh, claimant's lands points of view, but the responses price stay for the defense is we do understand from the physics behind the global word and the technician, not be, not gotten. yes he is. so he wants to be there for me to gaze the bottles. i'd say it's we need to page that 0 and he should be in this office by the way. but i would like to go back to what tom was saying about the frame, the defendant saying that needed lane to together patient as well. because i did something we were talking today about the trial inside enough. we kind of needs in both. i think he's an example way the way in which to explain the phone can actually change. yes. so the, the, you were maurice on,

on the hill is to some extent can be for the so the fact that he said he knew it was, what could they could back in may. so we knew that, i mean, it was kind, we're, when it was going to be at least similar to the young man, a part of the reaction in place and be possible because we do know something about him. and then just to it was the last case and to some extent of it to that wouldn't be killed by escape. so we had information that is or to make a decision making by other society we are not yet fully capable of taking for the information. so in a sense, for me, these are strategic, the products that we, you know, think about about the assignments and what the client is going to do in the future . the price is the tennessee was a good example of a piece of products. then dollars mentioned that you know, the law of size and then back across the top in the, in the countries that tender only wages. but there's

a no loss of things. we do know how to find that and the society we have not yet taken to the but of the for makes right likely the price to make here is to do more in say that again is the excess submitting the information. we have the new feature, right? because i sorry to interrupt you carla, but i see john is been want to jump in here for a while. go ahead john. i was going to respond to maurice was saying about knock on the fence and somebody who stood close to the the great and victoria falls when there was no watch or going over the fall as, as, as i imagined is very much the case. now you begin to realize that it's not just agriculture drives, it's not just food supply as the generation develop tricity for the cities, for commerce, for industry as the stifling that we cannot meet development that goes on as a, as an in direct knock on the fact of climate change of this nature. so i think we have to take a wide view here of where we have to constant trace our investment flows. now in

2021 time it's related to finance flow is what about $1.00 trillion dollars, but we know that from the previous one of the data on to the end of the century and the need is going to be $1300.00 trillion dollars, so you know, that's a huge jump in terms of how do we cope with climate change in the future. and i think that's what i sent them. that morris was kind of guessing out there at the fact that we're not responding on the scale, but sufficient to title this problem on his partly because of self interest in our own. the well developed economies that we won't part with the money that's necessary to undo the damage that we are call to the law. so it's a question of information. it's a question sensitizing the public. it's a question of how do we tell them about climate change?

how do we get away from the kind of fatigue from the short term difficulties, and that's a job i think partly for media, it's hardly a job to get the message across. maybe more effectively than we hop because scientists, i'll be honest, scientists are not good communicators. we're not bro. shopping extradition, of communicating the message other than through scientific papers and conferences that have a very limited audience. so i think we have to change the way we communicate to climate science, the criticality of it. but if you like to, to the general public and that's, that's a big task for which we need an uninformed media 1st of all, unless be under some of some of our media, interviewers, not, not yourself, but we do get media into hers draws up in a tradition that which is a known scientists traditional and the questions they ask are off not the best questions. we get sounds as who tompkins,

the best communication in terms of answers. so we have to talk a lot issue, a sent a square to get sensitize ation of the general public to the set to this problem up to the level of which they will say, yes, i'm responsible, and i'm willing to forego some of my income tax. some of my, the one percent of global g d p that it would take at john void, $1.00 degrees. i'm willing to go for go one percent of global g d p to make good our promises to the developing world. maurice, i saw you reacting to a lot of what john was saying that i'm interested to get your take. we don't have a whole lot of time left. but let me ask you, john was saying that essentially, you know, a lot of us that we're just not responding on the scale that's needed to this climate crisis, right? um, you're seeing this all on a very human level when it comes to the people that you're working with, the communities that your observing. how do we get to

a place where this is being given the attention and is getting the political will but it needs in order to actually move the needle going forward. a sure thing to matt, i think that is my, my, what i'm seeing a is a, is a, a blow one minute to do a lot of really, really close at the point where this is happen to have. that is one of the things that i think that maybe i was doing is mentioning that most of the a but in critical really only find the voice of these people are less strict bank leverage crises. but because of what we have seen those, i believe we talk about the global level, we really make the problem is actually in terms of government financing by the industrial toilet using those promises, that's going to be a be slow. so that is something that we need it to really make sure we are getting more and more everyday is from the c p. and so they're not freaking out what we

have seen in the communities where we are working across planned international re, i'm seeing manage the rest of it being fed. so trying to change the things that we are also emphasizing that some of them, i'm not just make a few points on some of the things that you have. and besides think he's at that age and what redemption, i mean terms of being, i was let me show it should be a fundamental, fundamental agreement globally that we need to revisit the counties that, that, that contributed less. i do want us to be russell effective and we need to leave out on these in west and i've seen that in the city of 11. and for example, the communities that we are working with us money international. so i'm gonna do my very, very, very well, and they don't have the means to really talk, investing on some of the learning, international communities. we come up with make kind of zones that kind of some of these way to really about letting the communities thanks to all of our guests today, john sweeney maurice on the on go and carlo one temple and thank you to for

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