crane, 2nd largest city, car cave, you current and all sorts. he's a saying that the russians fives, $32.00 shaheed kind of kazi drones and 6 missiles at the city. they managed to intercept the 28th of those joins. and 3 of the missiles, but they're also saying that at least 6 people have been killed in these attacks and 11 others injured. we fully expect potentially for that death toll to rise in the coming hours. you kinda know sort use a saying that at least 9 a high rise buildings will hit and these attacks won't sure as to whether it was the interceptions, the folding debris that caused the casualties. it's very difficult to say the stage, but we have seen photographs on area of car cave over night. the buildings in these photographs completely destroyed as emergency workers try to put out the place and rescue. we understand people trapped inside. now, i just say it is just just the latest important is become frankly unlikely. not the attacks by russian for just concentrating on car cave,

2nd largest city in ukraine. now the kremlin, and it says what he's trying to do is create what he describes as a safety zone around that border area around the russian city of belgrade, where ukrainian, we understand paramilitaries have been launching attacks in side to rush here. it says that the russian was saying that these all revenge attacks for those assaults with most of them in the last couple days in an announcement by the kremlin, that they was going to be an evacuation of thousands of children in that area. meanwhile, as i say, these are now unlikely attacks on the car keys, no sign of any kind of risk spite whatsoever. although we've seen the tags and the last couple of weeks, right, the way across you cried very much so talk you've now been focused on so we can fully expect more tech, some potentially more civilian casualties in potentially even be hours and at least days to come travel stuff, it will just 0. keith in the 1st space, women from belarus is back on earth. along with another female astronaut was

american as well as a russian man. they're so used capsule touch down in kazakhstan after a trip to the international space station. now the roost as a military ally of russia, which still cooperates with nasa. despite tensions over ukraine, mounts at no is kept evasive, captivating visitors to southern italy with a display of volcanic vortex rings. the natural phenomenon occurs when there is a rapid release of vapors and gases that are events shaped by the crates or i'll say, okay, no, mount aetna in sicily, and it's more vortex rings, then any other volcano? well, that's it for me for the time being. thanks for watching, i'll just there a head online. our website is out a 0 dot com for more news coming up. it's upfront by the

searching use zone from the rewind and genocide, the same as remembered school phone in honor of the, of the 800000 lives that perished with mass graves still being from a many ruined and still displaced to reconcile is the nation. the anniversary of the rwandan genocide on out to sierra israel, brutal war on guys. it continues and israel is facing a case of genocide at the international court of justice. but all we had a turning point for western support of israel. and what future is there from? does it end for palestine more abroad? earlier i went to new york to speak to one of the formal scholars in israel, palestine in 60 the norman singles thing. thanks so much for joining me on a bright. thank you for having me. you've been an advocate for palestinian freedom for decades. you devoted much of your lives, certainly your scholarship to this. you've been called quote, the foremost jewish anti semite one planet or something, we will call you

a holocaust denial. why does your work generate these types of responses? i think it's a kind of power docs tell you the truth. because as you well know, my actual political opinions are very conventional and well within the main stream . for example, long after the whole of the left went over to this notion of one state. i was still advocating to states. whereas the whole left was trying to anchor their thinking and things like settler colonialism and this and that i was very firm and just repeating what international law said. i thought that was the, the vocabulary to try to reach a broad audience. so the controversial part comes, i think from there's a certain element of i will say fanaticism to me,

which is i read everything and i'm ready to cite chapter and verse and everything. so i don't give my, so the speak adversaries. any wiggle room is not a kind of debate. no, i go in for the kill. yes, you're lying. that's not true. that's false. and i am really luckless. i know that i'm relentless because i spend, i think it's a kind of ideological war. i'm and i'm, i'm relentless. i know that, but that's because i do the work can be lost faith in those left and those reference points in those frameworks. i mean, i know she's past and swings in i held on to the, the, the, the tuesday idea. i believed in international or now no longer have faith and those are effective frameworks for getting a practical outcome. okay. those are 2 separate question. yeah. i'm on the question of international law. obviously it moves very slowly or, you know,

paying painfully slow the, when people are being killed and the genocide and so there's a certain degree of more than and patients those have degree of indignation. so for example, on the car, right over here, i was reading the new international court of justice or response to south africa. and it goes on for about 12 pages. and they say we have the 1st consider this way. we have the 1st concert at that point. then we have the 1st service about another. all right, come on guys. let's just cut to the chase. people are getting killed. people are dying of starvation as well. on the other hand, i have to say there's a kind of i don't know, i was kind of hutch by the fact that at the end of the day, the lot as a huge price for the people of garza, with a lot seems to be kicking into place and for example, right now, as we speak,

31 percent of children under the age of 2 are facing acute mountain nutrition in the northern part of god. so we went to the evidence and they concluded, no, it still has got to be a give, let the food in, you know, it took 12 pages, it took 6 months, but the lawyers and kicking in so, but wonderful belated, and i mean, we saw after the january yeah, so i know not much changed. i know. and then what do you do? you know, on the one hand, it's a very slow, tedious process. while the numbers are just a since the january 26 decision of the court of 5000 where people have been killed. so yeah, it's. so that's why the why, why do you have any optimism in any of this matters,

particularly because i think about in 2020 when you actually stopped writing on guys. and you said you felt like the work you were doing was sort of of things at point. listen, purposeless, and why is it less pointless? and purpose was now when we see legal decisions coming out, international rage. and it is real still remaining fairly often. and i guess the simple answers to phone number one. if you do nothing, you can be certain, nothing will happen. so that's not an option. and the 2nd thing is that if you do see changes, i mean it's not what you would want obviously for you to see change or the ice age . first of all, the fact that south africa went to bat for palestine. extraordinary, you know, not one arab state, not one arab state. it took south africa. you know,

the fact that the vote was 14 to 2. i said this is impossible. before the vote there are kept counting, i could only come up with 6 countries that was on the floor. well, if you, i would have bed every single dollar. i own that it was impossible that the u. s. and germany would vote yes. there are grounds to be optimistic, not the least for me, the most optimistic thing is to young people. me. if you have told me that people are when a king coming out to demonstrations week after week after week after week, i for 6 months, i would never have believed it. the tenacity, the conviction, you know it's, it's really an extraordinary sight to behold. now somebody said that was

a demonstration, 3 weeks ago it was a washington square park. and then happen was pouring rain and it was a saturday. and there were about 50000 people there. and they were all around $25.00. i was an age cohort of one, and then there was a gap memory that was a gap a 40 years ago. and then after it was over, a lot of people went down to the subject to go home. and so in the subway plug form on this side of the, of the train tracks and then the other side of the change of everyone's still chatting. everyone still jeremy, if you know the scene from the civil rights movement united states, when they were in jail, they kept singing, and they kept shutting and they kept sinking and they kept chanting. i don't know, it's like these young people,

except there's one difference. the people in the civil rights movement were funding for their own rights, right. these were young people fighting for god. so you know, to 1000000 people know some go way off in the middle. at least. it's a deeply inspiring. so there's every reason on those grounds, both to be proud of you know, the capacity of human sympathy and solidarity, but also on the grounds of being helpful. one of the things you talked about was how arguments that were on the margins have shifted at least to the mainstream, to be debated them to be, to correct their engage level and then no longer can be shut down with your account or somebody right. those days are over. you made an argument recently that turn some heads to be sure you said that her mazda is october 7th, a tag was comparable in some ways to nat turner slave revolt,

a rebellion of his way. black americans in virginia that took place at 1831. you've also refer to guys a frequently as a concentration camp. uh, those types of historical comparisons probably aren't in the mainstream meet yet. in fact, they offend some people, they outrage some people. why do you make them? well, the primary reason i like them is because i think they're true. no. uh, the not found a rebellion was replete with the most horrifying atrocities in the order. enough turner, for those of you who don't know, cuz i don't know where your audiences of the united states had not the last, but it had slaved rebellions before the civil war. and the best known one, and the most famous one was the not turn to rebellion. they killed about 60 people, and then i turned the rebellion the order given by now turner, according to the historians, the order was very straightforward. kill whites,

that was the order, kill all whites, and they proceed to do just that. so when i read the, when i read that a light went on on my head and i said, okay, now i have something roughly and i'll analogous to october 7th. so now my next challenge is, okay, so how do you render a judgment and then that turn the rebellion? so i figured i would go to the people who were so the speak closest to me in my political trajectory, which would be the abolitionists. those who were fighting for the end of slavery, however, they were very strictly against the use of violence. and so i was chris. okay, how did they judge assess and turn the rebellion? and so i turned to william lloyd garrison,

who was one of the most famous of the abolitionists. he edited the newspaper called the liberator, and it's very worth reading it. what he said, he began by saying, we told you so because he was speaking to white people. we told you so we told you, if you keep treating people this way, if you treat them this way, is going to be a reaction. and he went on to say that, of course atrocities, or i think he called the horrors occurred during that during the rebellion. well, have you read the statement from start to finish? he never condemned, not turner. he does not know. it was for me a personal moment because i spent the last 15 or more years of my life

chronicling the hot showers in gossip. the fact that those folks who burst the gates of gauze on october 7th, had been born into a concentration cap. not only were they born into it, but they were living in it and they were destined to die unit. and that was not turner. but is this, is this an explanation from a dispassionate scholar who is simply saying, look how inevitable this violence on october 7th was? or is it an endorsement of the action by saying, look, they had no choice. this is literally only legitimate and marley says will actually make me look when you make, when you pass more with judgments, in my opinion, you have to offer options. what else could they have done?

so how much was elected in 2000? so we just started with international courts, right. so you have a growing optimism. yeah, that's the only haven't because of the armed resistance. in other words, when we have the world's attention, when i really i would, i'm way to say what the facts tell me. now, i'm not saying i'm the only person that possession of the facts. yeah. but the pac faxes, they tell me in 2006, and how mazda is elected was elected on the reform platform. because the palestinian authority, so corrupt people wanted to change if you so immediately as they were elected the international opinion, the 1st israel, then the us then the you impose this rule economic blockade on cost. so if you study the record, how much was attempting a diplomatic solution to the conflict? it talked about recognizing israel to states having

a long term ceasefire. it made many options. all of it was rebuffed, all of it was rejected. then in march 2018, they attempted the great march of return, a non violent civil resistance. what happened? well, we know exactly what happened. you an investigative body produced the report was $250.00 single space pages. according as the report is well targeted, deliberately targeted children is real, deliberately targeted, medics, israel, the turn deliberately targeted, the journalists. here's the best one. the vote is real deliberately targeted, disabled people. okay. and they have the descriptions in the report, a person in a distance on crutches, 300 meters from the perimeter fence shot the head. a person in the wheel chair,

300 meters shut down. so of course the non violence is going to fail. if people are just being shot down like, you know, swipe down like flies and there's no international reaction to can't work. a whole promise of non violence or resistance is that if you're willing to incur the suffering, then the international community, or in the case of our own country during the civil rights movement, the north and the federal government will be moved by the violence move in sympathy to act when you show the violence member of the whole point, the non violence is martin luther king understood it. if you read, for example, the letter from the birmingham jail, he says that violence is in bedded in the system. and all we're doing is we're

bringing it to the says, the surface and dramatizing in the spectacle on it. exactly in order to be bulk sympathy but doesn't work. everyones were resolved. that's why i'm going to show you. and so that's the point. it didn't work in guys, it didn't work. so now you were at the, the heart of the dilemma. if diplomacy didn't work, they try. i'm not saying what they were saying was perfect. i'm not saying it wouldn't have required no intense negotiations to make it work. but there were steps taken by homeless that didn't work non violent, silver resistance didn't work. and by the time you got to october 6, it was clear that a deal was going to be made with sap befell these. and then the whole conflict between israel and the arab world would have been resolved above the heads of the

people of god. so, and the only thing those 2000000 people would have to look forward to is to languish and die in the concentration camp. what do you think, given all the destruction, all the them of people and the physical environment? what do you significant, whose ultimate in game is here? the goal is uh at one end of the spectrum and the spectrum bleeds into each hope point, leads into each other. at one end is the ethnic cleansing, the just get rid of them do what they did, 1948 and put an end to this guy. so the problem is that a realistic is me. i understand the idea of saying we're going to have civil and government control over guys that we're going to maybe reinstall settlements as the pre night 2006 times delta. right. but it seems equally doubtful that they could the populate. well i okay. let's remember the time move quickly.

the 1st 2 weeks it looked like where they believed that they were going to be able to expel the population to the sinai. that point egypt made a firm decision and not coming in. so long ago was the ethnic cleansing, but i agree with you after 2 weeks it seemed best possible. no, it still might happen. we don't know, you know, the pressures that will be exerted on cc, and the number to the sort of middle position was the one that was advocated by your island. the former head of the ocean security council. he said, we'll give them 2 choices. stay in star or leave. in other words, make us uninhabitable. and then the other, the extreme position was to just carry out, you know, destruction of am aleck, to just wipe out the population and the kind of our new ones to genocide. yeah. so

i think those are the 3 positions and what, what will come to that? we think most likely to come um, what's most like, i think i because president bards and that's having trouble with a demo, a large part of the democratic base. i think the gala pro show that only 19 percent of democrats supported what israel is doing. yeah, i think the pressures exerted by by then will become unbearable for israel and in the united states, what does it, what doesn't bear with it? will it be another profile encourage like we saw the security council where they just sustained know the united states wanted to stop it from day one that could have stopped? you just pick up the phone and say no more fee. no, no more weapons. and it's over, and it's over there is no question about, is that possible? and as a practical matter, given this special relationship road is, has had since and 6 more it's, it's,

it's possible the question is the political will. and right now the pros and biting is balancing the would they consider it to be their security interest? because, you know, what happened october? somebody was a blow for the united states security also, because the united states has invested a lot in israel as a regional power. unable to be original arbitrarily. let me push on that for a 2nd cuz i spoke the other day to a professor mission, i'm or me, who said that it's a mist that they're still a strategic and tactical interest with united states and support is one of them may have once been the case, but it's not anymore. all right luck. john mearsheimer is a good friend of mine. i like him, but we don't agree. i'm in zebra. a little bit more or i can agree to disagree. i don't agree. and the point i think important thing to understand about israel is israel is very much like

a western society. it has the same kind of bureaucracy, russian, our, the modern out look, uh, that makes it very easy for the us to communicate with israel and communication is not a trivial part. the secure, the people, the intelligence people, they all have the same mental outlook. and so that's an irreplaceable factor for the us to have a what sometimes called a stationary aircraft carrier in, in the middle east, where the whole mental outlook is held in common all. so it's still by far the most militarily confident. i, i'm, i'm not saying it's great. it's a good reputation. we got

a very big reputation way and i don't think that was an accident. re, the rock has set in and is really society. it's become less the nice. that means there's an element of slovenliness to the way they carry. they conduct themselves. you said you watch on the debate. i had yes. you were epic. almost 5 hour debate with uh were you able to buy any and many morris and something else? yeah. yeah. yeah. i know striking at the very end of the debate, i said that is real now faces are strategic. the most serious strategic the dilemma is a large number of people in the arab world. after october 7, suddenly came to the realization or the tiffany, me,

israel's not as strong as we thought it was, or israel's not as invincible as we've the one that was. and then the morris at that point, professor morris, very smart guy. he kind of had a nervous laugh and he said, oh, that's ridiculous. we have atomic bombs. we have nuclear weapons. what was striking to me about that? and so was he didn't say we have the id if we have the army, he had lost faith in it. so now he had to talk about the deterrence of their nuclear weapons. so i don't believe that october 7th was passing an error mistake, a moment of incompetence. it was a reflection of the fact that it's real no longer is what it once was. now of course they're gonna fix their muscles though they prove

that they actually do have comparable. that's what they're doing. now going perhaps has beloved. obviously we also had the who these in, in, in the red sea with their, i see blockade. and we also have a mass issue, and there's, there's a, there's a thought here that to show that there really are, i think that's a very big problem there. i think the problem is that israel has one of its central military concepts is why the clothes, it's the turns capability. and the turns capabilities just the fancy term for the arab world, fear of us. and they are very worried now that the arab world because of what happened october 7th, no longer fears in. and so one of the reasons for what's been happening is in their language to restore their the turns capacity. and that does seem

to include against has will. so i think we're very far, very far from the end of what began october 7th. and it could take forms which will be a regional and may be a global catastrophe for some freight listing. thanks so much for joining me on upfront. you're welcome talk to the as pain and just closer to recognizing it palace, city, and state. prime minister petro sanchez. this at the forefront, calling for israel 2 respects international humanitarian law. what i can tell you is that the situation on the grand newsletter acceptable as an immediate cease fire in god. so there's an urgency to stop disturbing war and to open a new phase of stability. peace precipitating the region. the spanish prime

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