tv Talk to Al Jazeera Pedro Sanchez Al Jazeera April 6, 2024 11:30pm-12:01am AST
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on gaza. as the death toll now stands at around $33000.00 springs voices growing louder in the international arena, demand me access to humanitarian aid and advocating for recognized policy and state space. foreign policy extends beyond the middle east balances relations with major powers like the united states and russia, well navigating the poor. the implications of the war and ukraine. private essentials is at the crossroads of these complex 2 political dynamics. how will spain manage this era of global challenges and the rapidly changing international landscape, the spanish prime minister petro sanchez talks to alex's here, the petro sanchez spanish department, is to thank you for talking to out you 0. you were one of the 1st leaders in the will to cool for a ceasefire and ga, so i looked it up. it was the 21st of october last year. at the time you spoke
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4651 palestinians had been killed. now. so many others, according for us, the spa, the us is dropped to subjection of the un security council. we go to un security council resolution yet the death toll now stands around $33000.00. that means that more than 28000 people, many of them women and children have died since you 1st made your cool for sees fall so angry, you have to tell you. well, 1st of all, thank you very much for for the 2nd interview, and i have to share with you that sometimes i feel very frustrated because of course we've been very vocal since the beginning of this war. eh, we come down the say horrible and tables. uh, theresa tax a preparatory by hum us and we, we condemned those attacks. but of course we asked for a permanent cease fire scene, say 2 or 3 weeks after the said to reset the tax on the,
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on the recent news that the, you kind of to answer the be, say, kind of attacks all the ways that we punch or with the logic of war, there's other ways to deal with these terrible situations. and that is why, you know, i think it's, it's really important to, to, to, to have the engagement of the old international community in order to, to ask for a cease fire to, to allow the, the money tell you a to access it into a gas that of course, the media and origin, a release of elf hostages. of course, there is no cease fire in place. the guns went silent for little bit at the end of november, just for 7 days when the security council finally passed its resolution. oldest members, welcome to even the us that abstained said positive things. it was welcomed by the palestinian authority. it was even welcomed by how much the only people who didn't
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welcome that security council resolution, in fact, vehemently condemned it. what israel is israel and obstacle to piece of the state. i think that the method you have on his government with these is 550 is getting more and more isolated internationally. in the beginning, i think that we all feel that solidarity with the citizens and the a society that was attacked by by terry's the an organization. but up towards these unbalance and the horrible situation that the appeal to all the international community is sort of put in the prime minister. and they've been yahoo in a very difficult on isolated situation and within the international community. i can see, for instance, also in europe, in the beginning of the war, some countries more align with the position, the political position of office where i live nowadays have changed our seats, their positions that dramatically. because the old societies are asking for more of
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a tough and clear and political position still worse with we are unfortunately we've seen in, in gusta, in the spring, i can say that the, uh, the majority of our citizens. and they do believe that they, we need peace, we need to restore peace. we need to have an origin today on permanency, expired on the ground. and of course to, to answer the most urgent the issue nowadays in gus that which is how can we allow the entry of humanitarian aid eh, on, on the, we through the different personality to respond to these humanitarian crisis that we are. or if it gets it, these are suffering. you were on the visit to the region, you being to jordan, you've been to saudi arabia and you're now in kata. and here in bo harlem, we colorado. this is one of the places they've been trying to get a deal on a c spot in tulips. what's the latest you're hearing about that?
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do you believe it's close? i don't have food. i don't have information if it's close as not to what i can share with you is my my will and i think the will of and the majority of the international community which is to have this permanency speier. and i have to also to remember that the, the resolutions of the security counts who are biding for o member states, also for israel. so i think it's a mandatory for the government. they'll probably maybe certainly find yahoo, of course to, to have this permanency fire. and i think this will be a very important step in order to, to give a political horizon to the region in order to open a peace process. cool, that's good to and, and to add the international recognition to move towards recognition. and for the easy way these and for the protest time people, you talk about binding security council resolutions. that's not just the one on the see saw that the end of last year that would to resolutions but more rage should go
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in the international court of justice, which also has binding measures. it's announced twice says the same thing should have more. i to go in and yet it's not happening. do you think israel is in breach of the security council resolutions? the national court of justice measures. and if so, what, what action should we take? i think that the there, so actually some that what's in the, in the sense that you are a and same and i can tell you that within the daniel $0.40 to governments, the i use government and also the spanish government. we ask at the, you can commission to make an assessment on the humanitarian rules articles that are included in the ad associated relation that the opinion has with the, with the israel custody agreement that the resign between a you 2nd and israel. and i mean you for it and if, if they find that israel is not living up to its respect for human rights, for example, that is in that agreement, what action should be taken?
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well, in the case of the okay and you know, they're, they're, they're, the situation would be that the, there's an open door to, to, to have the bait within the pm tells you, in order to me, to see if we continue with the system, the relation or not, but this is something that 1st we need to have the assessment of, of the information. but anyhow, as, as i said before, the important thing is that nowadays it seems the beginning of the war more and more countries, especially in the western world, are more reluctant to support them back. what the prime minister nathan defend jeff when he's government is doing in gaza. and there's an urgency to stop this terrible war and to open a new phase of somebody the piece for space in the region. and i think that's where you are, for instance, of these little the eh, and moral conviction, which is the case. so, so in our jo, political interest using our political interests to have them stable and prosperous
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and peaceful. i meet at least. so this is something that i, i've, i've, i've been advocating and that is why we've been very vocal also. we seem to appear on union in order to, to have this approach and the, and, and also to have it on the strategic position of what to do from the european union with our cell phone neighborhood. which, by the way, i can tell you, i think that there's plenty of opportunities for the union and also for ad the, these countries in, in the, maybe in the, maybe least on the new china humanitarians have repeatedly come under attack and casa, the latest tragic incident. 7 workers from the world, central kitchen, that's the n g, a set up of the spanish shift whose andrews were killed. they also in working together with the spanish n g o. would you put that food supplies in by ship that come by ship? because the israel is not allowing enough that stuff in by land. how is any of this
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acceptable? it is not acceptable. i think that it's important to condemn this terrible situation. then the very thing too is uh, extremely dangerous, at circumstances and that the aid workers are working or a yes, having on the ground in augusta. and that is why i think it's important. first of all, as i did to condemn this horrible bumping the closest to the panel for 7 workers, which by the way were working in guessing because people in guys, an art started being that they need food. and these n t o i live by this is spanish geoff course, and this, what they do is just to provide at food for the people on the on of course what we ask a base where the government is at to clarify at the, the, the situation on the, on why this happened in guess of course this isn't
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a one off more humanitarian up to the world because of died in gauze than anywhere else in the world. a 150 your more you and staff members more medical stuff here than anywhere else in the world respects the question is these rarely allow me just very, very bad at targeting, or is it about the rules of engagement? is that some sort of indiscriminate shoot kill policy going on here? i don't know. this is something that these where the government has to answer. what i can tell you is that the situation on the ground is that acceptable? and, and this brings me again to the same answer that i gave you since the beginning of the interview. we need a permanent cease fire. we need to uh, to convene a peace conference, which by the way, something a proposal that not only european union, but also the leak on this. let me conference we agreed on. so i think it's important that from europe and also from the countries we work together in this piece conference in order to, to, to move forward. and to leave behind these 3 world war and to establish the
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conditions for a peaceful, a quick systems in, in, in the short term you're saying is rel, needs to answer these questions. is this real potentially need to answer these questions to the international criminal court? does that need to be accountability for the sort of actions that has to be always come community? i think that the histories full of examples where it's urgent and needed this kind of accountability. but this is something that the, the international court of justice has to respond. and we need to do is to ask at these, where the government to fulfill, which is now based binding, which is of course, that un resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire. we talked about humanitarian workers, medical stuff, jim, and this is what will generalist have died in gaza than anywhere else in the world . now, problem this and this and you know, whose government is finding out as
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a result for patients. and israel is this quite literally a case of israel shooting the messenger a suitable office, a free press is on the hallmark of any uh, i would say self respecting uh, a democratic government and the from my side on from the spanish site. but we do is to uh, to support to the uh, the, the work uh, uh, made by the majority of these across the world. and especially in guest, not in these very difficult circumstances. or you've talked about the simon in casa . yeah. which now the integrated food security phase classification report, which came out a couple of weeks ago, says, is coming at the full on the set between now and may. it is a man made famine. is it not? would you not agree? it's quite specifically and he's really made 7. what i do believe is the, and i was, i was, seems rough uh at that time you mentioned the, the beginning of the, of the interview. it is, it is critical that the,
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the israel opens up the possibility to, to have these, to many tyree an 8 going into gas as soon as possible. and perhaps we're talking about, of course, land crossings. and of course, in the amount of $1000.00 or a 2000 tracts per day. this is the a terrible situation that the people in gus are suffering. and this is something that the international community kind of accept. and that is why i think that the not only from the human security council also from the union council. and we had a council and some weeks ago we commend these when the government to open these lines crosses in order to have an available vc many 3. and a for the eh, it gets a piece with regard to the you, joseph morales. the hi, representative of for an offense. he used to be your foreign minister. you know him
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well he said recently, if you believe too many people have been killed, maybe you should provide less homes in order to prevent so many people being killed . to see you need to stop selling weapons to israel and know you show your countries no longer sending any we're no longer sending a weapons. and i, i do agree with this, a statement made by uh, it just simple in and uh, what i can tell you is that, um, i don't think that this strategy is going to give more security to the is riley society after the smart ends. because i think that the end, the only way to, to have a peaceful coexistence on the security that the piece way that people needs is for politics, for diplomacy, not with war. and this is basically table words that we're witnessing and guessing . so many leaders, including yourself, and the only thing was in the west bank. well, we're meeting the on the and that's what i wanted to ask you about. because so many
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leaders, including yourself, a wound about the danger opposite of this bull spreading. in that context. israel's recent attack on the writing in diplomatic building in the syrian capital damascus . do you think killed top officials of the codes force? do you think that was acceptable or reckless act 2 publications with acceptable. it's not acceptable. it needs to be clarified by israeli government, and of course these and goes into a direction that you mentioned before, which is we need to avoid an escalation of the conflict in the region and from spain we have deployed many years ago, one of our largest, the you emissions on the ground, which is in leaving on the, on the of course we are trying to, to guarantee the peaceful, quick systems between the leaving these people on the east where the people in that's a very difficult border between the, these 2 countries and,
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and we are very concerned about the situation and that is why we ask, and we commend the each way we call them into a to try to avoid this. the said this region of this kind of issue that we are witnessing, for instance, with these an attack and in syria when the war is eventually over. who should run garza and who should pay to rebuild it should as well be required, for example, to pay reparations for some of the damage they cost you my opinion on the part assign. affility is our partner for the international community. and i think that they have the capacity and if they don't have the capacity, we need to give them the capacity to get the full responsibility of over a guess up is there was an old. so the west back and from the spanish perspective, i think that we are leaving now we move into, we're at the international community as a whole. we must recognize the full members people at this time in the human system
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. and of course, by naturally and from the case of his pain, we are ready to, to, to support and recognize the state of palestine. because this moment to has to be different to the others that we, we, we witness a over the past 7 pickens which is ok if we can be in this international peace conference at this time, must come to the table. it was a rick of nations at taken by the international community of their own states and the, the, the debates with the international community. and the reason with these ran, the government in my view should be at what would be the voters would, would be at, let's say the, the, the, the, the government, and so on and so forth. you talk about the policy, nustar, c, yep. private and nothing. you know, who says policy,
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no thought he taught run goals are often with how is the international community going to strong on these. right. and he's on issues like this. you have the prime minister and he's royal, such as, you know, nathan, yahoo, who has been trying to weaken the palestine of 42 over the past 2 years. this is a, this is the consequence that we are now witnessing augusta and we need to reinvigorate the palestine of warranty. i think it's important and we are ready to work at a low with our friends at present in that box on of course a new prime minister of the find a sign up for the but i think that the, you know, they have to take that full responsibility of guys up at west bank on these roads you're selling and, and of course again, the international community must take it very important step in order to, to recognize the state of hottest time. and by the way, also, i think there's some momentum for a move towards the completion. also, some are countries have to recognize each way and to, in order to, to have these
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a peaceful coexistence. the problem is progress. and netanyahu, you talked about 2 state station and whatever he doesn't believe in, that's all i thought, well, actually want to stay solution because the other one is already recognized. i mean, is well by most of the countries and especially in the western world. so this is why i think this is one of state solution, and that one is the solution and will bring to to the recognition of understanding of state. and i can tell you, we seem to appear in union, of course, spain with being very bulk of since the beginning. but there are more or more countries that are more, more sympathetic with, with this idea. and in terms of recognition, there's another thing going on, which is, if protestant is going to be a state, it needs to be a u. n. member as well. and on top of the policy number of the to the u. n. a sent it back to us with un secretary general. that's the 1st step. and then they go to the security council. i'm told around the security council table mine with 15 members. they have the 1000000 votes they need. the question is the americans
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because they have vito power, they could veto this. what is your message to the us on palestine becoming a you a member and on recognition stood the us recognized protestant as the states as well. i think that the, the bite of them is racing these, you know, trying to do their best in order to find the political solution to these type of war. and so i recognize that the lady come with uh, 2nd. uh, a, would we? so 1st in the korean war, and up to worse in, in, in, in gas, that is, that the more or more politically to the bait, eh, and the influence are not in security because who but on the general assembly. i do believe that in the general assembly there are 6 to each majority of countries that agree with these petition may by, by the, by the sign up for the to,
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to get the full membership of the un around the general assembly. that would countries on the general assembly, i've had it on this program, which was the presenter brazil, for example, as a claim is double standards going on here. when you look ukraine and garza, if attacking hospitals and plumbing civilians is wrong and you train them, why was it not wrong in casa, do you think the gauze statements, the cause of policies? if somebody, a, one of the western allies are going to make it harder to get international support for the other world, it's still going on past who not focusing on it so much. and ukraine, from my perspective, what i see is that the, we have it according position. i mean, in spain and we are, we've a crane because we defend it. we're older based on votes. and one of these main peters, as you know quite well, is the respect of the, of the international of national, some barely t under territory. i'm thinking with the over the country which is nowadays and not
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respected by, by the weight. if one member of the un security council at, at the put in virginia, russia, or i'm, i'm because we're a co and we also are current and a very vocal own a the, the warning guess because what we are witnessing a table, a lot of questions, one of them, if it's eh, is way respecting or not unfulfilling or not the un security council resolutions or, or, for instance, the international humanitarian law. so again, i think that the, because we are a current in new cream. i'm in augusta. we are a defending, you know, the international law. how, what read all you about the situation in ukraine because a year ago that was all this talk about counter offensive since that by the ukrainian since then. and then recent months, very slowly,
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it seems the russian side of the ones that they're making gains goals that has all the attention. it means the potentially the funding, the weapons going away from ukraine. and then you have another specter on the horizon in november. you might get president trump back in the lighthouse who might pull the plug from president semanski completely, or you bar it. ukraine is going to lose this war. i don't think that the credit is going to lose this war. because today, everybody in the world knows that there's a nation called grain that wants to be respected and defend their, their own freedom in order to be closer to the european union and to our values. and by the way, to be member of european union in the, in becoming a future. so i don't think that they're going to lose the war. and i don't think that the poor thing is going to win the war. what at all? because in, in the beginning of the war, but he wanted to do is to invade a 100 percent of the $330.00. okay. and this is not the case anymore. so i think
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that the big risk use that we are weakness seeing that kind of a frozen crop coughed. so i'm going to see you skilfully dodge the last part of my question. president putin. you say he's not going to win the war. and ukraine are going to win the rest of them. trump might well, when the election in november, he says he can sort this out in the day, he could on the cot presidency. lensky, us, you know, they're all sorts of fee is, i mean, he's, he's doubting optical funding. if the basic rule of, and they took charge of the old for one rule, if one is attacked, you will support, you will support them. are you worried about the possible return, the president trump? well, i me progressive, the prime minister, my government is a progressive one. so what i would like to have is say, well, 1st of all, i have grades relations with president biden and he's administration. and i'm, you know, i would like to be seen reelected as a, especially of the us. but this is something that has to be responded by us citizens when we were,
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we are looking for is to have the best relations with the us administration. my time for by then or who was in charge of leaving the country. i think one of the major bones between the us and europe is it made is our trust atlantic bone which us and then think relation. and i think these are both the prime minister or the pressing, the of one or other countries. noise is something that is as strategic for the security, not only for europe, but also for the us and the, and the, so i don't, i don't think that we are going to, we miss eh, we can a position of need to, in, in the coming years seem to case that the trump wins the elections and what we are going to do to witness is what we are seeing over the past 2 years, which is a stronger nato and piece is close by and put these war.
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this is the of the products, the products is that they would put in volunteer. it was not only 2 man team, they do ukraine, but also to weaken the nature. and what he has accomplished is the country. now you have sweden, you have been that the, you have a stronger, a nato, and then we send you opinion. we have a stronger cause is that we need to do more on our at defense and returns capacity. and this is something that we are or wait eh, doing eh, we seem to, you can union. so i, i always say that we don't have a problem with the russian society. and we have a problem with every gene which is a putting into question the borders and therefore the security not only off a crane, but also off of you and therefore of the whole world. and this is something that we need, again, at to solve eh, through the flow might be k ways. unfortunately,
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the to be a so it's not possible. let's see. let's hope that in the future we can find that way. spanish prime minister petro sanchez, thank you for talking to out. just sarah, thank you very much. the thing is, this is a privilege i get to the heart of the story amplified the voices of those who have been found out by the noise is a 4 is my driving force is what pushes me to take risks facing the trying to find that challenge and a huge responsibility we keep politicians and decision makers in check. so the devastating human cost of their decisions working at the 0 enables me to make the
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