to go see nations for skewed this room decided to fall love to talk the terms of the negotiations and why those still fall from delivering and forth was the price of what was on. i'll just see here. yes, another round of talks to reach interest in goes up repeated attempts have so far failed to end this route, 6 months more on the strip with both israel and who am i speaking to the positions? move this around? see any difference and is it even possible? this is inside store the hello. again, i can change base the latest round of negotiations on a ceasefire, and garza is resuming and colorado and his right, the delegation is taking part and how mass is also sent. representative soft to

months of towards the us. president joe biden is reported to have written to mediators and cattle in egypt, urging them to pressure how i'm asked, which set to deal. but the on group says it was deviate from his demand for permanency spa, something israel has ruled out. so kind of the 2 sides rich common ground this time, and what leverage to the mediators have to secure a deal. we'll discuss all of these issues in a moment without panel, but 1st this report from victoria gave me. the pressure was mounting on these rails government to agree to a cease firing garza and secure the release of his rated captive. that's as another round of negotiations with him asked is resuming in cairo. right. i mean, is there a b b

election very, very soon. these ready to governments also on depression from the united states. u . s. president joe biden is demanding an immediate cease fire, and he's reported to have sent letters to mediators in castle and egypt, urging them to pressure him us to accept to do after months of negotiations, which not discount the impact of his early military pressure. that is clearly what is helping to bring some us to the table on the one hand, how mouse has no way out. and i'm sure the egyptians and the categories are, are talking sense to them. on the other hand, natania who really has no way out if this point, israel, who on the besieged population of gaza, has killed more than 33000 people and pushed palestinians to the brink of famine. particularly in the northern part of the strip. how my says it won't deviate from its demand for permanency spy, when we only, we should think, as he said, it means that the troops, the tubes which invaded, goes after october 7th,

has to leave. because of that, when we talk about the safety plan agreement, it has to, it has to mean that the people of the te, set agreements have to move 3, the inside that goes a step during the last round of talks and catch all is real, set. it wanted all is riley captives released in the 1st stage of a do. have us indicated it would only release when and children. the 2 sides also disagree about the release of palestinian prisoners, subbing life sentences in his riley jails. the talks in cairo could result in some respond for palestinians in the strip, but finding some form of agreement between israel and how may i ask, who's taking time time the people have cause a don't have victoria gay, some b l g 0 for inside story. the all new it's probably the aiming to explain the obstacles to a see saw agreement with

a panel in tennessee we bought them. perry is the osa of the aust. questions late to blog, a newsletter on the sub stack platform and occupied east jerusalem. and yet, and the se, but as a professor of international law at l could c university and in colorado, have so hello is a political consultant, a non resident fellow at the middle east institute. thank 2 o 3 for joining us. all 3 of you, let me start with a very quick question to each of you, which is how optimistic you are about the chances of a deal have. so what do you think? all the chances that they could get a deal this time in the city where you all camera very briefly, i'm not optimistic. i don't think much of the parameters around the hostage deal have really changed, nor have the, the sort of been transpositions on both sides. in that regard. don, your thoughts on this? do you think there is a chance of a deal here? i think i'm off alonzo. deal we're. ready gonna essentially to visualize exchange

for all the hostages, and the chances of that are externally small. whether they can do a partial hosted release for a temporary disease. fire is entirely up. there isn't more, as you know, near your thoughts at the start of the discussion about how optimistic you all there could be a deal. unfortunately, i'm not mistaken because i think the cab the gap is quite big between balls. a bottom is uh, is it or is it have sense? really huge. uh, goals uh for this uh, genocide and uh, and i think that if you know that they don't want to stop and drive down. okay, well we start from a pretty pessimistic place. having had all of your initial views on this have. so let's, let's 1st look at the mechanics of this who is attending. we have the c, i a director, we have the prime minister and foreign minister of cats. all we have the intelligence chief of egypt and we believe we have the most sought chief from the shouldn't. but a chief and then also you're going to have

a senior representative of hamas who won't. i don't think be in the same room as the others. but a lot of these people have been negotiating for a long time. they will know each other pretty well. now indeed, we've had rounds and rounds of these talks. and i think parts of what the challenge is, particularly for those sort of know and come back to in size, not these raise or how much is that the, the terms, the parameters of the deal simply don't change how much as oscar remain the same as robots. remain the same and that day like that got but we need very rightly pointed out between the 2 sides hasn't diminished. in fact, if anything, it's intention on, on both sides. and we've reached the point where there is very little understanding of who and how these 2 parties can meet in the middle to engage and in a, in a cease fire arrangement and a hot spot hostage for prisoner exchange deal that would allow for significant rest bite in this conflict or at least i believe it possibly leave us to

a whole permanent stay to see spot where we can rebuild some of the a different structure and that has the re institution reconstitute under was activities there as well because they are the only major a delivery mechanism and really begins try and help them millions of people that are stuck there and, and, and gaza and do important recovery as one of the time hostages and have christmas released to their families. i'm just staying with the mechanics of this just for a moment so we can explain it to help us. we have a senior, how master official, her little ohio, who is in colorado for these talks with my understanding. you'll probably probably know more about this. these indirect talks is route until my state sit in the same room, the mediators, the egyptian mediators, and country mediators go between these riley's and how much does that explain to us? how are you think it works? no, yes. is there a i'm also not certain same room and so a little bit silly. and 1st of all,

i think this is the one case where both sides are equal to one. but that's okay. i mean, i think that this is a dynamic where these early is almost next to it by sitting in the same room are gonna develop to sort of colorado and that will help that go saves. so the addictions americans, uh, categories of their parents as well. and throughout these thoughts has done a great work and incredibly important work. now i, i agree with the other panelists, the asks on both sides simply haven't changed a and you, you need to look at what the browsers are. the variables are and figure out where there might be some potential for me, but um i, i can only repeat what i said before a partial positive release for a temporary cease fire seems to be all that we can hope for. i know that the is rarely is, would agree to this. i'm pretty sure um uh and, and perhaps more pressure is needed by a customer in egypt on us to do the same i, i don't see another way out. there are other variables it really does is really

cyst on security shock. so the people that they went on a rough phone to go back north of honey is the doesn't say uh, they insist on it. i don't think they're going to go on. so i, i'm not terribly optimistic for these reasons. on the other hand, there is a lot of pressure on the israelis to the government of, from within has room to find some way to do with dealing with that is true. that is true. and indeed, there has been talk of that to me, of a not giving enough of the mandate to the trio of senior people has their of that edition, but out of them. so i need some along the general who could easily have been a chief of staff and others like me business center. so you are, is there as people and um, it would brock, yesterday, it was one of the programs there on television ers, that they'd be given a true mandate to come up with the best deal the is attainable. and to bring that

back to the government of for approval or rejection with as a government might from managing. and there is, of course, in the background here because of the married, sold or is rolling around the suspicion and leaving where the suspicion. but he is trying to drag his feet from the place of time, for example, purposes and i don't discount that may be true but. but as i look at the actual variables of the situation, what i see is the advice, the conceivable transition solution to a pregnancy fire runs through a, again, it's that requires pressure on my mazda and it stays. a lot of it came in near and you've heard that the dad has talked to about some of the premises for a deal. let's run through some of the things that have been discussed because when we don't getting a running commentary on any of this, but we're getting leaks repeatedly. and some of the things come up repeatedly

a 6 week c spa is what we hear. and then a phased release of those that are being held by hamas and other groups. and we're talking apparently about the females sick, an elderly captives being released 1st. is that your understanding of, of, of the 1st part of the deal? i don't know, actually what is going to be the 1st but the deal. but what i know for sure is that we as a part of the city and zip of society. and what i would say is, no matter how many phases this deal is going to dig, what is very important is that it ends with a ceasefire. a ceasefire is certainly the answer to the end and, and is the only way that the genocide can stop. this has been clean by and you know, understanding that way and the language of the international court of justice and measures them and provision and measures. there's also cleared from the security

called central solution that or support for disease fire. so the ceasefire is set up in the, in the subsidy in albany and just to me to drop the, the question is of the timing of the c socks. the security council resolution actually refers to a c spot during ramadan, as he, and as you know, ramadan is running out, it'll be over. in a few days, this riley seemed to be offering a 6 weeks the spiral. suddenly that's being offered in the negotiations by either these riley's or the us side, a mass of saying a permanent seas file. what is the point you're making? what, what do you think palestinian people are demanding a sent in the government agencies by a governor has been destroyed and people want to return back to their homes. we've, we've experienced the experienced that infiniti and bulls as a fighting and during the 1st exchanges of prisoners. and we sold that is a, during that period at preventive and a city is from attending to god's

a city and to the north of gods was indeed not the only to go back to their homes to live, but even to go and pick up some stuff in order to go back to the south with more of that stuff later on his and destroyed and but more and more houses and more and more facilities in the north of the gods as to what we see now as a city and zip to society is that what is it and is doing is that it is emptying the load of gaza. don't want any from its residence. this is dorothy dangerous if the bose is on only happening for the exchanges so that the funding would then be later on. and in order to completely destroy the gods us today and completely displeased the 1st indians will continue to live in the gaza strip. as it has been clear to be. the plan of the is about 8 is that has not been even hidden. it has been at, you know, publish, been talked about within with within is that a media? and this is something that is not acceptable and we as

the time, don't want to pick you up on something that, um oh man, but it's not visible. is rarely is it one need not overcomplicate? there's. oh because there is it, there is role awesome us to be deposed in god. so that's what i'm one of the hostages by the plan to populate, because all those, obviously it is and this will have been published there are wishful thinking that way. know that's on the plan. what else do you go near? do you want? what do you agree as a policy to a permanency is fire that changes? i'll think probably the current status for meaning. it leaves a mouse in charge and guns. is that for you? it isn't a pulls out. i'm not sure the play to diminish, but in charge you will be happy with this. with these you have a nice you have an answer to his question. the questions is, are asking them for meaning that if they need to leave the ship should be only

chosen by punish finance or not, but by anybody else. not that he lives and not anybody have said the what i wasn't, what i want is that is what i was up immediately because a student i went to class student and back to because it's tim isabel has destroyed because of in a way and has continued to with genocide that not only that, the gold has found the flows have been but also the, especially the busing infiniti has said that it is actually happening the genocide . i mean that is all the evidence and the one that it's a genocide, i one the genocide to stop. now, this is the most important the in these, okay. the genocide, the solution of genocide, the initial genocide is not a lot of people done. the genocide is that there was an intense to destroy people are religious for and that is these, these are, these are important. you have questions that we these are important questions done, but then not the questions that we are. we're looking at more comfortable the possible in colorado so done,

let me ask you this question in terms of these rightly side, obviously there's so much pressure on prime minister netanyahu to get the people that are being held by how i'm asked to get them free and we don't know that role whole, but help by him. us give us your understanding of how many people as well believe or live at this stage. i believe they have a pretty good idea. um, and they believe the over house or wise how much over house i'm not sure they know there's only no where does so many st been over 100 is the grey zone in between the certainly a good number of them are no longer why. and you know, there's huge restaurants and, you know, yes, remember the thing, you know, who is an unpopular prime minister of 75 percent of the israelis and all the polls say that you want to elections very soon and they want to go on to serve as roughly appear to be ready to vote for parties that are not in the current coalition. if

you remove the radio, ultra orthodox, religious, extraneous furnace from the equation because they're automatically on assign the numbers i just mentioned, tell you the of the others is really ours. 90 percent want to go, so that's the kind of pressure he's under. but on the other hand, it's not a presidential system. it's for a letter. and the part letter is this, the, you might think the disgrace, the government that has failed catastrophically and, and is clearly unpopular. we resign. but the technically speaking, as long as those 63, uh, uh, got highly obedience. uh, collision uh the members that he has voted for how many 120 is the parlance stick with him? you can, you can try things out on the 2026 was the pressure is mounting. and the us plays the norms role here because he, us as leverage arrest us by the way that's presented something really, really interesting. that may be a way out of this sort of highly technical discussion here who is released. that is

what week there's something bigger going on us is proposing. but israel stop playing games or whether it's playing games and agree to the past 3 is already returning. agreed something that is real self isn't diminished as to that one. so agree perhaps to a multi national force and therefore, as he doesn't agree to talk that could last a long time on a 2 state solution and then return be part of us. do need monitor, it's the western us nato umbrella in the region and a lions against the rad that it's ok things. let me, let me bring in the hot, so no less because we're talking about the colorado talks. those are all things that are being cited by the us. they are not things, i would have thought that they're going to be in the scope of the discussion of what's going on around that table in colorado all day. well, actually all that, well, let's say i have, let's say i have thrown this and i think the, you know,

the talks have been going on for so long. james, but everything is kind of blending into itself and such is the lack of leap. and that with every round of talks, we get a new proposed piece plan and, and, and data is not necessary to incorrect about what has been suggested and what has been thrown at at a collection of the regional partners and states. i think it's, um, it is, and it is perceived stats in the as incredibly demeaning and condescending to have the united states. and israel can cause plans, shop them to arab leaders and tell them that these are the only options that the disposal that is such and the how the public's perceive them. whether or not in need is from, from, as far as you know, from, from egypt across to the way you want to entertain those, that will be their own parole, good save. and they will face and they are facing their own fools of accountability and challenges domestically at home. however, that the primary,

the primary purpose of why all of this begins to blend in is because there is real acknowledgements. at least i think that they cannot be a ceasefire range, but until they're raised or at least in terms of the permanency spa arrangement, until there is some kind of a resolution on the question of the day off to what that looks like. and there is a fundamental refusal and a sub and our public refusal to see israel militarily occupied indefinitely. the gaza strip and i the condemn promised indians to uninhabitable conditions and i'm livable conditions, but nobody would wish upon themselves in rough and hon. eunice, for those who remain in it, has the city in other parts, offered them this long held belief that any of the arab nation could somebody take them and should take them and this constant push pull over the side and i bought or

are the parts of the region that can or should and beyond that, who governs cause a how is gone, the government is inherently in parts of the ceasefire towards these ideas about arrow, both natural forces and stuff. you know, we know that these are serious times being taken very seriously by the americans that was shot. part of the reason blinking was across the region just at 10 days ago, 2 weeks ago was to shop this exact plan to the arab state, leaders of egypt, chest of drawer. dana is the saudis, and the authorities and the amount all these were all in cairo, maybe the companies want to comment. but, but, but the point being is that there is this unrealistic expectational unrealistic understanding of how this conflict is paying out in the region. not just these are the gardens themselves, but looking beyond 2 occupied east jerusalem, 2 occupied west by the continuing dispossession. i think that is mistaken to say that this is merely a,

a question about time us and the question about the gaza strip. there is a why the opportunism at play regarding annexation and regarding occupation that is continuing such that by the that's in y'all. i'm just allies, we'd like to weigh this out as low as possible. i think the only shift in this discourse and dynamic will come dependent on what the uranium responds is to the bombing of their embassy in damascus a few days ago. and it's been made suddenly from what we understand clear, but the radians will strike and will strike and retaliation. and the american seemed to be wanting to take a step back and, and avoid any direct us around compensation. now whether the broad, the risks of, of regional configuration things we've talked about change for every yeah, sorry for over 6 months in terms of the risks of this route and the out into a broadway to regional confrontation. now seek to become reality will now start to

be put into motion. and that slows down the ministry efforts in the gaza strip and gives us a de facto a lessening of the of the conflict dynamics. but never the less increased urgency on the humanitarian landscape is one possible scenario that would allow a delay of sci fi tools. so would encourage maybe these ratings and even how much to delayed such tools as they mooney the region. if i can bring you in to come and tell them the developments of the last couple of days, we're told that was a very tense phone call between by the nurse and yahoo way. put real pressure on the as riley leader. also you've got these promises from these riley's so they're going to reopen the iris crossing. they're gonna have a temporary use of the pool in our store, how they seem as palestinian by palestinians. and as i seen is related in any way to these colorado talks. i mean, diplomats talk about confidence building measures, but mine and my experience,

israel prefers to use sticks rog and carrots to yes, but it's also is it i that is now it's starting to see it kind of sends things by the rest of the web at the 2 days ago, only the human rights content engineered by the united nations human rights concert issue. it is an ocean going before states to and not to exploit ups and weapons to isn't. right? and this is very important. and they also created the mechanism to see who is exporting weapons to is it. and this is also following the findings of the international court of justice looking at it and as a state that is plausible to come back to the general side. in addition to all the other evidence that we have, we have a very active leak and what not totally against is it. and because against the countries that are complicit with is that i think the next few days you will, we will or with this that you cut out well best as gentlemen the case in the

international court of justice, which actually claims the money for exporting. but things to, is it a and what is what is conducting dental side? this is actually a lot of pressure, not only is it and, but also on the united states and on all the countries that have been completed. and that is the editor of aside, and because as to him, so this is very significant, in my opinion, it does apply pressure not only on is it and look also at one of the countries that are supporting isn't i. and this means that they wouldn't apply that one, push that on his right. and now you can see that i submitted a bottom is that on the web that are going that states to stop sending weapons to is it i and, and yeah, let me just bring it and um, towards the end of our discussion now down on the pressure on israel because of the prime minister netanyahu, that's internal pressure as well. she huge protests taking place across is right. the city is particularly in tel aviv and the party recovered of one of those that was being held in ga. so how much pressure is these, right,

the prime minister on the do you think that in any way plays into the talks in colorado. the pressure on him is re. ready key from. ready virginia and that might at some point reach the breaking point. ready solution and he's generally a popular, it was a popular before october 7th because it was i 1st to personalize the country, but i think one area are sort of looking at the wrong tree. it's not barking up the wrong tree. the c j is highly political and has on of course i can assume that concert they want this knowledge on this, on the human rights council of, of the united nations is a bit of a joke generally wrong by dictatorship without respect human rights, not paying attention the real pressure points on his row are something eluded with . yeah. which is canada. so selectively loving arms and barto talk of such a thing by some people in, in written effort took it literally the letter by 36 senators this week, calling on a bind because we still have to know which he did. but it won't cause the way that

my panelists are talking about was buying a and a west want. it was for listen, you know, who just, i guess the deal, the, by the way, how so it was not concocted. but it is really us because israel opposes it by the was in the west, and that deal might create real pressure on his room if it's rarely society sees. but any often is this a grand design that includes base or saudi arabia, the pressure on its own, yahoo, to succumb to hamas. us terms might become there is just a little bit of even better at the end of the she ation, you have to know it's important to the other side. you want to produce israel, anything you have to know what's important to them. the yahoo and need is a global distorted singularity, but the vehicle is oh, there's pretty much consensus that the cat on how mazda jordan and also anymore because the last spokesman go on air television was they were going to do october 7th again and again and again it is a discussion,

so israel needs to know how much will be replaced by the p a. t l may not want this, but that's what's gonna happen anyway. if it is to the, is there a structure slated to enable that? so honestly, if i was called her and egypt than any arab of good faith in any human being, as you say, i will be maximally pressuring the loss to stand and accept the next. i'll do where they go, wherever the star can. okay, some, some pretty controversial comments that i'm afraid we don't have time to pick you up on them though. thanks to will, i guess, done, perry mooney, i'm going to say. but, and how so? how hello, whatever the outcome of the latest colorado tools will cover. it here on out you 0 and to watch us at any time you can always go to our mobile app or to our website out of here. don't com. we always want to hear from you. you'll come in, so welcome on facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside store. you will find this on ex. well as a inside story under in space, and i'll be back again here very soon from all of the team on the program. please

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