is done so damn and thousands of displaced people in northeast. and so don have been celebrating aid. they say despite the hardships, ramadan has been a month of generosity. houses here is mom advisory for some for to don. the full so dense many football stadium is filling up with worshippers. it's important to choose the most of the spacious open fights to accommodate the largest number of people. this is the 2nd and from a bunch that abrasion since the will started. the sam is focused on the theme of will the need for unity and the hope for peace. not up on this to what i'm gonna or we pray for peace and security. and as muslims us, that god purifies us from within grunts us victory over our enemies. and wishing the same for our brothers and palestine, no tests from god,

but we thank him for everything and pray to him to end the flight. most of us, wherever they are. by the way, we should say we are enjoying peace here in comparison to many others in this world . so we should be thankful to go to them highlighting officials attending husband usually do. it's a payoff for piece on social hominy, and it's also a time of joy and family to union with people who are trying to forget, at least for a moment about the music for that community has spread all the way to the city in the far north east of the country posts so that hosts nearly 50000 people, displaced by the war. they've enjoyed the hospitality of the locals here, especially during the fasting month from about 90. i imagine my on the incident on no one breaks the fast inside the homes. it must be in the street, so that passes by could share the screwed and drinking even people driving by. i stopped and it goes to joint, let alone all brothers who have been forced from that ho. this was the last,

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but the nation's wealth gap is whitening us as spending billions of dollars to clean up its industrial facilities. costs millions of uses around the world will now have to buy microsoft office without counting the cost on out as the era is their own little world guys. it continues and israel is facing a case of genocide at the international court of justice. but all we had a turning point for western support of israel. and what future is there from? does it end for palestine more broad? earlier i went to new york to speak to one of the formal scholars on the israel palestine in 60 the norman singles thing. thanks so much for joining me on a bright. thank you for having me. you've been an advocate for palestinian freedom for decades. you devoted much of your lives, certainly your scholarship to this. you've been called quote, the foremost jewish anti semite one planet or something, we will call you a holocaust deniers. why does your work generate these types of responses?

i think it's a kind of power. the ox tell you the truth because you will know my actual political opinions are very conventional and well within the main stream. for example, long after the whole of the left went over to this notion of one state, i was still advocating to states. whereas the whole left was trying to anchor their thinking and things like settler colonialism and this, and that i was very firm. and just in repeating what international law said, i thought that was the best vocabulary to try to reach a broad audience. so the controversial part comes, i think from there's a certain element of i will say for now the system to me, which is i read everything and i'm ready to cite chapter and verse and everything.

so i don't give my, so to speak, add this service. any wiggle room is not a kind of debate. no, i go in for the kill. yes, you're lying. that's not true. that's false. and i am re loveless. i know that i'm relentless because i spend, i think it's a kind of ideological war. and i'm, i'm relentless. i know that, but that's because i do the work can be lost faith in those reps and those reference points in those frameworks. i mean, i know she's past and swings in i held onto the due date idea. i believed in international law now no longer have faith and those are effective frameworks for getting a practical outcome. okay, those are 2 separate question. yeah. i'm on the question of international law. obviously it moves very slowly or, you know, paying painfully slow the, when people are being killed and the genocide and so there's

a certain degree of more than and patients there's a degree of indignation. so for example, on the car, right over here, i was reading the new international court of justice or response to south africa. and it goes on for about 12 pages. and they say we have the 1st consider this for, we have the 1st concert that point and then we have the 1st service about another. all right, come on guys. let's just cut to the chase. people are getting killed, people are dying of starvation. but on the other hand, i have to say there's a kind of i don't know, i was kind of touch by the fact that at the end of the day, the lot of a huge price for the people of garza, with a lot seems to be kicking into place and for example, right now, as we speak, 31 percent of children under the age of 2 are facing acute now

nutrition in the northern part of god. so it went to the evidence and they concluded, know, israel has got to give, let the food in, you know, it took 12 pages, it took 6 months, but the lawyers and kicking in so, but wonderful be let in. i mean, we saw after the january. yeah. so i know not much changed, i know. and then what do you do? you know, on the one hand, it's a very slow, tedious process. a while the numbers are just a since the january 26 decision of the court of 5000 where people have been killed. so yeah it's, that's why the why, why do you have any optimism that any of this matters are particularly because i think about in 2020 when you actually stopped writing on guys. and you said you felt like the work you were doing was sort of of things that point, listen,

purposeless. why is it less pointless? and purpose was now when we see legal decisions coming out, international rage. and it is real still remaining fairly often. it, i guess the simple answers to phone number one. if you do nothing, you can be certain, nothing will happen. so that's not an option. and the 2nd thing is that you don't see changes. i mean, it's not what you would want obviously, but you to see change or the i've seen you 1st of all, the fact that south africa went to bat for palestine. extraordinary, you know, not one arab state. not one arab state. it took south africa. you know, the fact that the vote was 14 to 2. i

said this is impossible. before the vote there are kept counting. i could only come up with 6 countries that was out for wow, if you i would have bad every single dollar, i own that it was impossible that the u. s. and germany would vote yes. there are grounds to be optimistic, not the least for me, the most optimistic thing is the young people. if you have told me that people are with a king coming out to demonstrations week after week after week after week, i for 6 months, i would never have believed that the tenacity, the conviction, you know, it's, it's really an extraordinary sight to behold. now somebody said that was a demonstration, 3 weeks ago it was a washington square park and then happen was pouring green.

and it was a saturday. and there were about 50000 people there. and um, they were all around $25.00. i was an age cohort of one, and then there was a gap memory that was a gap of 40 years ago. and then after was over, lot of people went down to the subway to go home. and so in the subway platform on this side of the, of the train tracks and then the other side of the change of everyone's still chatting. everyone still jeremy, if you know the scene from the civil rights movement united states, when they were in jail, they kept singing, and they kept shutting and they kept sinking and they kept chanting. i don't know, it's like these young people, except there's one difference. the people in the civil rights movement were funding for their own rights by these are young people finding forgotten. so you know,

2000000 people in the some go where you are in the middle, at least it's a visually inspiring. so there's every reason on those grounds, both to be proud of you know, the capacity of human sympathy and solidarity, but also on the grounds of being helpful. one of the things you talked about was how arguments that were on the margins have shifted at least to the mainstream, to be debated them to be to correct their engaging people and then no longer can be shot down with your encounters. somebody right those days are over. you made an argument recently that turn some heads to be sure you said that, that how mazda is october 7th, a tag was comfortable in some ways to nat turner slave revolt, a rebellion of his way. black americans in virginia that took place at 1831. you've also referred to guys a frequently as a concentration camp. uh,

those types of historical comparisons probably aren't in the mainstream meet yet. in fact, they offend some people, they outrage some people. why do you make them? well, the primary reason i like them is because i think they're true. no. uh, not time a rebellion was replete with the most horrifying atrocities in the order. enough turner, for those of you who don't know, cuz i don't know where your audiences of the united states had not a lot, but it had slave rebellions before the civil war. and the best known one and the most famous one was not turn to rebellion. they killed about 60 people, and then i turned the rebellion the order given by now turner, according to the historians, the order was very straightforward. kill whites, that was the order kill or whites. and they proceed to do just that. so when i read

the, when i read that a light went on on my head and i said, okay, now i have something roughly and i'll analogous to october 7th. so now my next challenge is, okay. so how do you render a judgment on the not turn the rebellion? so i figured i would go to the people who were so the speak closest to me in my political trajectory, which would be the abolitionists, those who were fighting for the end of slavery. however, they were very strictly against the use of violence. and so i was chris. okay, how do they judge assess and turn the rebellion? and so i turned to william lloyd garrison, who was one of the most famous of the abolitionists. he edited the newspaper called

the liberator, and it's very worth reading it. what he said, he began by saying, we told you so, because he was speaking to white people. we told you, so we told you, if you keep treating people this way, if you treat them this way, is going to be a reaction. and he went on to say that, of course atrocities, or i think he quoted hers occurred during that during the rebellion. have you read the statement from start to finish? he never condemned, not turner. he does not know. it was for me a personal moment because i spent the last 15 or more years of my life chronicle in the hot showers in gosh,

the fact that those folks who burst the gates of garza on october 7th had been born into a concentration camp. not only were they born into it, but they were living in it and they were destined to die unit. and that was not turner. but is this a? is this an explanation from a dispassionate scholar? who simply saying, look how inevitable this violence on october 7th was, or is it an endorsement of the action by saying, look, they had no choice. this is literally only legitimate and more like so to actually commit, look, when you make, when you pass more with judgments, in my opinion, you have to offer options. what else could they have done? so how most was elected in 2006, we used to start with international courts,

right. so you have a growing optimism. yeah. does. that's the only haven't because of the arm resistance. in other words, when we have the world's attention with our williams, i would, i'm way to say what the facts tell me. now, i'm not saying i'm the only person that possession of the facts. yeah. but the pac faxes, they tell me in 2006, and how mazda is elected was elected on the reform platform. because the palestinian authority, so corrupt people wanted to change, if you so immediately as they were elected the international community. first, israel, then the us then the, you impose this rule economic blockade on cost. now, if you study the record, how much was attempting a diplomatic solution to the conflict? it talked about recognizing israel to states having a long term ceasefire. it made many options, all of it was rebuffed,

all of it was rejected. then, in march 2018, they attempted the great march of return, a non violent civil resistance. what happened? well, we know exactly what happened. you an investigative body produced, the report was 250 single space pages according as the report is we are targeted deliberately targeted children is real, deliberately targeted, medics, israel the term deliberately targeted on journalists. here's the best one. the rule is real, deliberately targeted, disabled people. okay. and they have the descriptions in the report. a person in the distance on crutches, 300 meters from the perimeter fence shot the head. a person in the wheel chair,

300 meters shot down. so of course the non violence is going to fail. if people are just being shot down like, you know, swipe down like flies and there's no international reaction to can't work. a whole promise of non violence or resistance is that if you're willing to incur the suffering, then the international community, or in the case of our own country during the civil rights movement, the north and the federal government will be moved by the violence move and sympathy to act when you show the violence number, the whole point of non violence is martin luther king understood it. if you read, for example, the letter from the birmingham jail, he says that violence is in bedded in the system. and all we're doing is we're bringing it to the says, the surface and dramatizing and spectacle on it exactly in order to leave bulk

sympathy. what does it work is everyone's, what is the reason why that's why i'm going to show you. i'm sure that's the point . it didn't work in guys. it didn't work. so now you were after the heart of the dilemma. if diplomacy didn't work, they try. i'm not saying what they were saying was perfect. i'm not saying it wouldn't have required no intense negotiations to make it work. but there were steps taken by homeless that didn't work non violent, silver resistance didn't work. and by the time you got to october 6, it was clear that a deal was going to be made with sap befell these. and then the whole conflict between israel and the arab world would have been resolved above the heads of the people of god. so, and the only thing those 2000000 people would have to look forward to is to

languish and die in the concentration camp. what do you think, given all the destruction, all the them of people and the physical environment? what do you think? nothing. yeah. who's ultimate in game is here. the goal is at one end of the spectrum and the spectrum bleeds into each hope point, leads into each other. at one end is the ethnic cleansing, the just get rid of them do what they did. 1948 and put an end to this. uh god. so the problem is that a realistic is me. i understand the idea of saying we're going to have civil and governmental control over guys that we're going to maybe reinstall settlements as the pre night 2006 time delta. right. but it seems equally doubtful that they could populate, well i okay. let's remember a time move quickly. the 1st 2 weeks it looked like

where they believed that they were going to be able to expel the population to the sinai. but that point egypt made a firm decision. they're not coming in. so long ago was the ethnic cleansing, but i agree with you after 2 weeks it seemed best possible. no, it still might happen. we don't know, you know, the pressures that will be exerted on c, c. and the number to the sort of middle position was the one that was advocated by your island. the former head of the notion, security council. he said we'll give them 2 choices, stay in, star, or leave. in other words, make us uninhabitable. and then the other, the extreme position was to just carry out, you know, destruction of am aleck, to just wipe out the population and the kind of our new ones to genocide. yeah. so i think those are the 3 positions and what, what will come to that? we think most likely to come um, what's most like,

i think i because president bards and that's having trouble with the demo, a large part of the democratic base. i think the gala pro show that only 19 percent of democrats supported israel is doing. yeah, i think the pressures exerted by by then will become unbearable for is real. and in the united states, what does it, what doesn't barely able to be another profile encourage like we saw the security council where they just sustained know the united states wanted to stop it from day one that could have stopped. you just pick up the phone and say, no more fee though. no more weapons. it's over and it's over. there is no question about is that possible? and as a practical matter, given this special relationship right? business has and since it's more it's, it's, it's possible the question is, the political will and right now pros and biting is balancing the would they

consider it to be their security interest? because, you know, what happened october? somebody was a blow for the united states security also, because the united states has invested a lot in israel as a regional power and enable to the original arbiter. let me push on that for a 2nd cuz i spoke the other day to a professor mission. i'm or me, who said that it's a myth and that there's still a strategic and tactical interest with united states and support as well that there may once been the case, but it's not anymore. right luck. john mearsheimer is a good friend of mine. i like him, but we don't agree. i mean, they borrow a little bit more and agree to disagree. i don't agree. and the point i think important thing to understand about israel is israel is very much like a western society. it has the same kind of a bureaucracy russian, our,

the modern out look, uh, that makes it very easy for the us to communicate with israel and communication is not a trivial part. the secure, the people, the intelligence people, they all have the same mental outlook. and so that's an irreplaceable factor for the us to have a what sometimes called a stationary aircraft carrier in the middle east where the whole a mental outlook is held in common all. so it's still by far the most militarily confident. i, i'm not saying it's great, it's a good reputation. we got a very big reputation way and i don't think that was an accident re the right has

set in and is really society. it's become less than nice. that means there's an element of slovenliness to the way they carry. they conduct themselves. you said you watch the debate. i had. yes. you were epic. almost 5. our debate with uh, worrying about any and any morris and something else. yeah. yeah. yeah. i know, striking at the very end of the debate, i said that is real now faces are strategic dilemma serious strategic the dilemma is a large number of people in the arab world. after october 7th, suddenly came to the realization or the tiffany, israel's not as strong as we thought it was or israel's not as invincible as we've

the one that was. and then the morris at that point, professor maurice very smart guy. he kind of had a nervous laugh. he said, oh, that's ridiculous. we have atomic bombs. we have nuclear weapons. what was striking to me about that? and so was he didn't say we have the id if we have the army, he had lost faith and it was so now he had to talk about the parents of their nuclear weapons. so i don't believe that october 7th was passing an error mistake, a moment of incompetence. it was a reflection of the fact that is real no longer is what it once was. now of course they're gonna fix their muscles though they prove that they actually do have comparable. that's what they're doing. now going perhaps

has beloved. obviously we also had the who these in, in, in the red sea with their, i see blockade. and we also have a mass issue, and there's, there's a, there's a thought here that to show that there really are, i think that's a very big problem there. i think the problem is that israel has one of its central military concepts. this is why the clothes, it's the turns capability. and the turns capabilities just the fancy term for the arab world, fear of us. and they are very worried now that the arab world because of what happened october 7th, no longer fears in. and so one of the reasons for what's been happening is in their language to restore their the turns capacity. and that does seem to include against as well. so i think we're very

far, very far from the end of what began october 7th. and it could take forms, which will be a regional and may be a global catastrophe if it's a free listing. thanks so much for joining me on upfront. you're welcome talk to the as pain and just closer to recognizing it palestinian states prime minister petro sanchez. this at the forefront, calling for israel 2 respects international humanitarian law. what i can tell you is that the situation on the ground is that acceptable as an immediate cease firing call. so there's an urgency to stop this terrible war and to open a new phase of stability piece for space in the region. the spanish prime minister talks to algebra, the latest news as it breaks. during her remarks,

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