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this is not an urgent problem. could we have changed the course of the climate to emerge in this area? which is here as new series died. last futures. more than 800000 people in a 100 days. that's the estimated number of those killed during the 1994 genocide against the tootsie and veranda. betsey is beta. how are young brandon's accept. ready working to come back, genocide, audiology primary impulse well, and this is the street the the events of 1994 in for one to represent one of the doctors, chapters of human history. a reminder of the catastrophic consequences of hates indifference and colonialism. as a wealth commemorates the fact to us out of us, 3 of this tragedy was remembering genocide mean to the younger generation who
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didn't live through is to discuss this today, we joined by christian inquiry, found the of our past initiative. jessica with rewinds and activist, and socio to just show me should have been, is a co founder of i to bates. rewind the. thank you all so much for being here with us. i'm christian. you run a use sled organization with a mission of educating young rwandans boone off the 1994. can you tell us about the work that you do and what drives you? thank you so much for having me. uh, i. i'm the eclipse today style. so bye, so you should see it as admissions and our cost is used for those. in addition to our tool started in 2012. we the idea of 51 as young as well uh, indicates ourselves to learn about our history,
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but also educate the young people. about our history. uh, was to uh, raise questions and the among vantage an ocean cushions pass cell periods. so i've got an angel's about what the past supposedly, you know that you know exactly what's happened in the to behind the genocide that's out so placed against it. so it's in $394.00. so study in 2012. and the 2nd object chief was to also encourage parents to talk to the kids. and the 3rd one was to uh, use the used contribution and helped the country in the building process, so uh or, or foundation. so we have tried to organize different uh, initiatives. we have an event that happens every hour on the natural shape. so we
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are we now uh for the vendor so far on $2700.00 uh, uh, young adult people. yeah. and uh, we have also been taking 5 to provision jumpstart, somebody of us phones even is that is what the fantastic are the initiatives related to that. yeah, thank you so much. christian and jessica, i want to ask you about your work. so present. 6 the memory of what happened, which is a very personal struggle for you, isn't jessica. uh yes it is because um, when uh, the genocide against it to see happens in april 1994. i was just a baby and i wasn't cross with my mother. my father and my mom actually the uh, when to run that just after the genocide to search for her parents and those close the they had been mothers. so when she came back and from she was very traumatized . so the 1st thing that happens to me when i was
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a teenager was some sort of anger. i didn't understand why there was so many do my oldest in france. so many of them. why in the old those newspaper. on tv on medias we heard the false story and some, some kinds of denial, but in so many way. so i started suffice actively on social media by rights, and that's a $22.00 projects on memory and a memory of, of families. fantastic. thank you so much and, and as always said, i want to ask you about the debate program that you run, which in car is, is tolerance in the new generation. what are some of the persistent issues that you faced, even with the younger generation? well, one of the things that we have to understand is that in order for genocide to happen, there's been a lot of research on what are the cultural characteristics that actually makes
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things such as websites who happens. one of them is higher median to authority. the, you know, us versus them mentality, but then also the lack of critical thinking. you find that a lot of the perpetrators say that the reasons why they did things that towards because they were told to do so. so mine is how do we understand that conflict is in having to human beings, but then that violence is a chose. so our role is to figure out how can we make sure that we're disagreeing passionately. but then using words instead of rider. and one of the, of course, the, it, it is hard because it means that you are changing the way in which puncture understands concepts. and then we are also very much of almost like a conflict avoidance culture. so parts of it that, that, that becomes cards to instill this idea that just because we disagree doesn't mean that we're and it means, but you know, this is works in progress. this has things that take time. but uh, this is uh,
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something that we think is important as a preventive measures so that the knocks prone to violence as well. um, it does seem that there is perhaps some work to be done in how the rest of us speak to random about the genocide. take a look at this. i'm never telling anyone i'm a wanton ever again. as far as just concerned ameritron because it goes one of 2 ways every single time. either. wow, i loved hotel rolanda. you know what don, to dollars really great actors. so whatever that, or they start to tell me a bunch of facts and figures and events that are completely crow task graphic. and corey, and it's like we're out branch for this bride. i don't want to hear this. i'm starting my day right now. i find a really strange because it's not like when you meet someone is jewish. you say, oh, sorry about the holocaust. yeah. you know, issues and manufacturing because an extremely corey and triggered and i just realized with disconnect, especially as a black person, a black woman,
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people to humanize me and other black women very, very easily to them. it's a fun fact for a bit of knowledge or history to me. it's an experience that i know and that has affected me and people that i know. jessica, is this a program that you recognize? yes, of course. people are awesome, insensitive for this regarding, oh, it's 3. i remember when i was in friends, very often i had some kids out of school or the students at university, or maybe sometimes the wrong people sending me. yeah, around. uh you guys were savages, you q of each other and out of the blue and i was asked, are you able to, are you to see, oh, did your family choose or what or was to use? oh, those question i had those oh my life. and you show us a video and 6
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a on 6. so that's very interesting because nowadays denial is wild on tick tock because people just wake up and take their home. and i think that's the can share the history of the genocide against that. let's see, without any research, but with a lot of confidence and that's what a lot of the young people are doing right now on social media. they take their phone and then they say, you know, and run that this and this, and that happens. most of the time this is completely false, but it's, it is some sessional, so people look at this and click i like it and then they share without even thinking and that's what she was for them. now. i'm as long as that, i want to come see you about that. so what advice would you give to young people who do want to talk about this book? want to do it in maybe or more respectful way than what you just described. jessica? well, one of the things is also i think we everyone has encountered that every defendant has encountered. but i think it's also divorcing. people do that out of my business
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and tense and people actually want to know. and i think that one of the things that is very important is to tell people the best way to learn about issues. just asking questions, letting the people who have lived through that history either wants to tell that story, right? because a lot of people do want to know, but again, think of it to 1994. 1 of the issues was that no one had heard the one that the only thing that heard was about to read us. because of green a, you know, in the midst the movie about dimes for some and that in that sense is jack, it fits the, to the whole idea of the african continent being the continents. and the only thing that people know is genocide and that you know, it sort of fits the 2 types of savages or kidding one another. but understanding that actually know there are, there is a history behind it and the reason that could be understood. and then also there are many things that many people collect, so it is just understanding that it's,
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it's work in progress and we have to learn how to engage with different people. um, well let's check out this type from christian's organization. the just woke up and visit that. i was. so in brooklyn models i, i sold younger. i'm assuming the mother, i remember not assuming much the new strength to fresh for a better christian. the slogan for your organization is remembering our past as we build a strong future when the. 7 cost is divided along ethnic lines. how do you build a unified future? you? i think it's a, it's a good question, but you also make sure lose that's
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a way of the diffusion came from and how it was started. so that's why we created our past. we wanted to get the answers to some of the questions. most of these young people are asking themselves, and that's why we want to also bridge the gap between the older generation and dandridge, an ocean because of a, the, the leading of survival being at patriot. so be just someone looking from one of the to, we need a size, we need to know that each individual is behind what's happened enough to know that . that's the only way we should protects and that's present the, the general sites will ever happen again. so it's so hard to say that you be going to avoid the expense of the day, of course, but how do you deal with that? you have to educate people for us and how it sort of step on how i watch was the results of head species. that you see nowadays is not uh,
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not in the media and of which and how it chose and a tool called by one you and people. so what you're trying to do here, and to answer your questions, we are trying to educate them people about the past, but also to make sure that she can prevent such access to choose to ever happen again. jessica, you were born in fox. can you tell us how you learned about this history and what that to you about the importance of not maintaining silence a yeah. green the pin phones told me everything about denial. now i am really experts into my old because of that country for a year. as and yes, it was denial of this on the states states. so it was really everywhere on the political events on the newspaper, everywhere. so now i think we really should be careful a festival when you decided to,
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to learn about how history you need to take the books that are written by the survivors or by the people who did their research seriously. and actually talk to survive us. if you pick the books that that are likes by the keyless, we have a problem and actually right now people using willful ignorance, they're sharing really wrong books. written by denial is by budget to us. and if you do a simple research on the internet, you can really avoid this. and also we need to be careful about how do we name things. this is the general side against the to see not the wrong dungeon or side, not the genocide in rwanda. not those events where to see will kills but also to and also the not, not genocide against the truancy. because it's, we're only to, to see who our target is with a hateful speech during the case. and they kids that let's vision us side. and i
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want to talk to i also jessica, just about the silence that you experienced as a young girl trying to understand that even within your family, can you tell us just a little bit better about that? yeah, unfortunately a lot of of family uh, experiencing trauma. so we don't so we don't speak about digital sites and sometimes young people that grew up with that that's the weight on their shoulders . and sometimes some of those things that silence protects people that you can lead your life without knowing things. and every thing would be ok. but it's actually was we really need to talk to each other to speak to each other. so now the choose, and this is the only way to go for it. now, all the topics too sensitive to make lights of comedian and found the of comedy nights in kigali elevate community. thanks huma can heal you
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know, i think, i think it's, uh, i don't know where i heard that, but i think it's to try to jump in who said if everything is drum, you know, close up and, and it's comedy on the white angle. so i think what you meant by that is if you take enough distance from something that just happened to you, you can actually find schumer in it. and uh and uh, and i think that's, that's what is most needed after after something like this of the, of the tragedy like a grand, a 1994. so basically i'm not telling people that you shouldn't joke about it, but i've heard, i've heard very many survivors when, when i was back in, in the in boarding school in high school setting stories about how they survived and, and the things that they would say in in those christmas situations that let them
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to, to burst out laughing and, and i never remember, i remember the stories very physically. so i think one of the things that made me want to do comedy is i said to myself, is you can joke about that. you can overcome that to humor, then i think coming to use the key. this is what we need and the time it has to be, it depends on the angle. it has to be empathetic. he has to be compassionate. it has to be, it has to aim to heal and to grow and then just to, to, to bashing and criticize and mark. because i don't think that's, that's comedy at all. but i think that's, that's exactly what is needed. that that is definitely not just to run for the, for the rest of the word as i see today is it is getting urgent as long as head um,
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all the generational differences in how people wanna talk about what happened. and of course, to show results of the back of that video or um, oh gosh, you know, give me a few thoughts on the, on the video. i mean, the, i think the in principle, i think that might be a good idea of what they don't base talking about. but in reality, i have worked for many years in, in high prevention and having hot compositions. and i think that one of the things i get an understanding culture and understanding how people react to seventies. he's understanding the weight of history and you have to understand that there is a passing down or trauma. and there were talking about, you know, not someone that having hurt you when you're in primary with somebody taking your bike or anything like that. we're talking about people literally losing you all the whole family and they're still not pick some up to today. so, i mean, i don't think that's uh, i think sony as years go on. we have, we are not ready to continue to work on it shelves and we have to learn how to hop
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on positions. but i don't think it's yet time to, to point you to my and all of that. but to answer also on the 2nd question of are the differences, of course there are differences. one of the things is that you're not parents generation, there are victims. and there are perpetrators in our generation, there are no perpetrators. i only say we're all victims of history. kristin, can i ask you whether you have a different reaction maybe to that video? so thank you so much. uh, i think it's, uh, it's something that is doable. as someone who have been organizing queen emotion event, that's in the main parts is arts where we have forward sheet music, drama, and other tools. she didn't deliver messages, but also with the sensitivity off the p o g a n right
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now. and uh that was uh, as a, as the comment most, the motion month, you also need to pay attention on the you might use, uh, we need that's because of the, as, as you call me my to also say victor z and so good. she told us of genocide and because i thought was sol played the huge part, you know, appropriate size rundowns. so i feel like that's, that's something that is doable. we can use that to recover from all of the challenges we are facing because of the ones of their genocides. but in uh, in uh, in the appropriate way. either way, the general going to actually seem to bring someone back to me in some way and they don't want to go back because yeah, he think he's also in general. so you have to help someone healing jenny not to take the queer. you make it worse. so in 2022, united nations secretary general antonio gutierrez,
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had this important reminder. the ones that we would do well to consider even today, the genocide against the tootsie and were one that was neither an accident. no unavoidable. we must recognize that we always have a choice to choose humanity over hatred, compassion over cruelty courage over complacency. jessica, how is it possible that we commemorate one genocide walls, others all on the way? what lessons have we failed to learn? i think it is always the case in history when the genocide happens. uh at the same moment as we have some countries that uh commemorates. another genocide especially seen, happens on the then. so during the 1994 genocide against a tipsy cosigned me to home said never again. and at the same time he was up in the trade. so i was in the wrong to, to commit to genocide. so we are having this issue and we will continue to have
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this issue as long as we was accept that it's the collective duty to protect the memory of the genocide that happens in the past. so it is really important that even if one is not a run down, oh no, nor i'm done at all. that's that, that's the sense of. so these every see must exist. people shows a tried to let to read, and to share the so the very and see to office thank years always say what to never again mean to you. i think just to piggyback what, what to jessica just said. i think that the problem is that we always none of us historical events, but we never learn about ideas that mets to those extra cities. so never again is for me means that never again would be on all for people to beat the human eyes for people to beat, for hatred to rain and for this discrimination to happen. that would needs to,
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i've tried to be such as get us like christian, many people when they hear about rolanda today, they think about the genocide. but maybe there's something else that you'd like them to think about a house. i would try to stay on this topic, but it's also saying that after, but yeah, we, we as run then have a cheap so much uh, access to healthcare. uh, uh, access to education of, uh, moving as rundown. so we have, uh and, but one thing just uh, uh, i would like to mention is uh, pj, part of the speech started up since then. uh, i was giving, uh and you said the only calls what we can offer is to come on the cold $192.00 of sir and those fixed for those. so hard to catch people there. i think. so i think it's, it's, it's, it's a, it shows where we have to be
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a residence. it shows that so many people play the parts to make it where we are. and i just didn't want to leave this without saying that. but we have victories, not sick about use for them to see. we have the mice, the sex child hosting conference sees in the events such as progressing so they, i hope that you can offer and we should remember that's a lead for memory. it's the whole year for nurses on emotion is not just for april, but we also keep progressing as rundowns and keep working together to build a better future for our initial um, as long as you've previously said, that people in lawanda are making extraordinary choices, which are ordinary, can you just tell us what you mean by that? yes, i think for me, what is impressive about brenda is not the buildings. it's not the economy, the health care. it is the human story,
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the fact that people decided to leave again. and the fact that people are making sure. ready is that another place is almost impossible to speak about. imagine somebody losing, you know, the whole family and then deciding to do the ordinary things that people take for granted. work and make sure that the kids go to school. but then on top of that, never taking revenge and talking about the reconciliation in an imperfect way. right? i always say rundown, so ordinary humans means that's what happened to run. things can happen to anywhere else. but the choices that run does have to make are extra ordinary. and if people put themselves in the shoes of many uh, it will be hard to imagine the choices that people make. thank you. christian jessica. and as long as shed. and thank you for watching. if you have a comment about also reach out on socials, this is also your show. so if there is a topic that you like us to discuss,
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