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but what's become one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world. so why have piece talk stalled in what want to take to get a ceasefire? and this episode will be exploring these in other questions in great detail. but 1st, here's one guy that has introduced 7th month with residents in desperate need of food and medicine. but a group say they're facing increased risk in the territory, which is hindering their humana, terry, in operation. so what lies ahead and housing thousands get the a that they need to survive. last, the international committee of the red cross is regional director for near and middle east, but they feel kind of voting the but need to kind of only thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you for inviting me. the humanitarian situation in gaza is spirally more than 33000 people have been killed. the majority of those people have been women and children. according to one analysis, what

a 100 percent of guys as population is at imminent risk of famine. health care is also buckling. there's only about 10 of the territories. 36 hospitals, even partially functioning. there's talk about a possible round invasion in the rough uh, your organization, international committee. the red cross is in guys that you're in touch with the teams there. could you talk to me about what you're hearing from the ground? what do we hear from the ground? it's either the something which cannot be capture by figures. and i believe that at one stage, the way we have described the prizes in guys us, we have running out of words and concepts to describe what is in gaza. you know, you as you might try and act as we've seen a lot of things. but what we see in guys uh, it's something we really have hard time to capture and then what is it? i think it's this permanent states of um,

instability. does this uh, precarious situation this constance fear of being at the wrong time. wrong plays not knowing what you're going to provide to your children, to your family. so the words, the concept, the destruction of how does the destruction of essentially infrastructure the fighting, the kidding. and then there was something which is psychologically devastating, which is hard to capture. i think so, um, what we hear from the ground is just that colleagues, i've seen colleagues smo by colleagues. just come take it anymore. one of the challenges, in addition to the sort of psychological despair you're describing in the fear and all the things you've just named is a very material question around a access. it's been an ongoing issue throughout the war. people are in dire need of

aid. there are so many stories about guys who are struggling for survival reports of families that are eating grass or even animal feet. residents not being, being able to access medical care. all of this is part of the normalized normalized picture and guys it could you talk a little bit about why the aid access is so difficult? guess 1st i, i really like the concept to use of this normalizing something which is by no standard possible to normalize it. but i think you and you've got during something very important uh with this. and we need to be careful not to normalize what's happening in gas out today. what i'm talking, i have to, to, to acknowledge that the access of the mindset and assistance in guys as improve dramatically over the last 2 or 3 days. now what is needed is a sustain efforts doesn't. it's not

a matter of one day to day of improvement. it needs to be sustained. and then there is a security and safety off. you might turn actors. i'm thinking obviously about the policy and red crescent society who us last many of the piece, but also all the organization and be seen last week. what's happened with uh was sent from the kitchen. so security for the maintenance actors and security for the people of guys up, we need some really to have access to a sense of services. this being said, what is needed to bring a minimum level off services and dignity to we stayed as far from this. um, because the me t is about managing that know a lot of dead bodies. we need to give them a proper um,

uh barrios and needs to focus on this. when it comes to to trucks, trucks we've not to replace the hospitals who have been damaged or destroyed. we did not replace the watts in network which was affected and we'd not replace the electricity infrastructure. so we need to acknowledge the improvement, but it can only be the beginning. uh earlier you mentioned what happened with world central kitchen, for the benefit of the audience. april 1st was the david 7 aid workers from that non profit organization were killed by in is really air strike. benjamin netanyahu said that the attacks were an intentional, but he also said that quote, this happens in war time. but do you think a nut precautions were taken uh to protect workers or, or, or better yet air precautions in general, sufficiently being taken to protect aid workers during this conflict. and i'm just

looking at the figures, you know, and when i look at the figures of the number of you, my tiring actors, kids doing this wrong last throughout months of violence is just and comparable to what we seen in other places around the world. so i will not, you know, i, i don't have 1st time information. the minimum we can say is that considering the level, the number of people killed, the level of destruction, the level of people displaced, the number of you, my time actors killed. is that for sure, the little of i'm conflict which protects all those people was not central to old parties to this conflict. what are your thoughts on this specific dangers and aid workers are facing in this war? are they different then other conflicts? are they different than in other regions?

yes, i think what makes guys a difference is that old guys a is a, was a button feet. okay. i mean a comparison. it's always difficult, but it's like, you know, working in a trench on the front line. you might turn and act as don't do that. yeah, we don't. and then you might and civilians don't stay on the about the feet. so the specificity of gas all is densely populated area, an area where fighting is possible everywhere and where population cannot leave the place and, and, and it's very, very unique. and that's why also as, as you may time actors, we are taking way more risks. and then what you would take in any other country around the was to be when i talked to my colleagues, i just seen him colleagues,

international stuff. the story i hear, the motion is the 18 which they are is, is really unique. i. we use the word which i, i really don't like using when we speak about your nighttime action base, the concept of erupts. oh, when i think about a policy and stuff, when i think about the volunteers or the by seen requesting society when i think about all the people who are trying to add others. and by the way, that not what you might try and act as to do that today in gaza. you are a special ed bus us, somebody was or something above average in terms of humanity generosity and but the encourage powerful words of anything. thank you so much for joining us here on upfront. we really appreciate it . thank you very much for the interview

so that it has been at war for nearly a year. finding begin in the capital of cartoon on april 15th, last year after growing tensions between military factions. on one side general, i've just the, to the hon, head of the sudanese armed forces or f, a f. when the other general mohammed him then delgado, also known as he met the leader of the r s f. rapid support forces, a power military group. the dogs were previously allies involved into cruise in 2019 a popular uprising that ousted long time dictator. i'm going to shoot and put into place a transitional government that promised and eventually civilian led democracy and been in 2021. the military took control of the transitional government behind promised elections in 2023, but disagreement over the r s. s. integration into the sudanese army sparked the civil war that has so far killed within 14000 people. within 10000000 people have fed their homes and making it the world's largest displacement crisis. it's also

expected to be the world's worst holder crisis, with a 3rd of the population facing acute food and security according to the united nations. so how does this end, and what can be done to help civilians caught in the crossfire? here to speak with us as former student needs investment to the united states. nadine set the n hold of head founder and director of confluence advisory a suit in these think tank. i want to thank both of you for joining me on upfront invested. are set to im gonna start with you. you are part of that power sharing transitional government between civilian groups and military groups that was formed after the 2019 coup uh after the 2021 military take over. i asked you on this very show, why are you allowed military leaders accuse of simon writes abuses to be part of the transitional government. and you said this to me. you said at certain moments in history. when you want to move forward, you have to compromise. now that time, of course, you had faced that civilian and military groups couldn't negotiate

a deal that would lead to full civilian rule. how do you assess that, that faith now? well, thank you for having me on my system to see the i see to the the, the convenience that we signed to the ministry of the city. here's the shavings on both sides. the sea responsible for what happened and of course the median city, even probably last so but at the end of the day, i still have this done and that's what i see. you know, that's the last time we met. i understand the need for compromise and bass that are, but you put your faith into very specific people to generals with a record of human rights abuses. do you regret putting your faith in those 2 people? but i, i see that. so why don't you compromise such situations?

you have to be very careful not to no space or most useful computing agreements, so as to get a box. and you have to what the a latency cdls and some of the additional knows, you know, the one that you've signed an agreement that you are up to the task and that you don't have to be dusty and do the, i don't know. how do we, i just, i know it's not an easy task and, but that's live as a suspicion that people have been, you know, facing 2 years ago, i've noticed additional facing in, uh, hulu. uh, the humanitarian situation was already bad in sedan before this war. but now it's deteriorating rapidly, it's become maybe the largest crisis in the world. uh, could you talk about what's going on on the ground right now in terms of the

humanitarian situation and help us understand why it's gotten so bad as well as you say, you know, the infrastructure in sedan was poor to start off with before the war, even stopped and that's because proceeding the, well we had a to and that's to vastly deteriorate to the, the states capacity to provide services. and so when the war came was very easy to obliterate health services, education services and service provision in general. so we have even from the past few months of the war, 80 percent of health services out of commission. and that number has only risen. we've had 19000000 children as announced by units of out of school. and that number has risen to we have numbers of people that are facing starvation, but then the un puts us around 25000000, but that number is, is certainly to my mind, much, much greater and will continue to grow if the next season of the next agricultural season fails. what we have at the moment is a conversation around you know,

whether saddam is in signing or not. but simon is what happens when you're busy trying to find data to support it. there are other crises on top of the, the food insecurity issue. there are accounts of widespread sexual violence against women and children and targeted killings of non air of ethnic groups. both being sort of weaponized in this floor uh ceilings in the western region of the ford are at the center of the violence and have largely been taken over at this point by the r s f. 20 years ago. the r 4 became synonymous with the genocide of the same ethnic groups being targeted now by the militias, that would later become the r s. f. back been the accusations of food deprivation and other forms of a deprivation being used as a weapon of war leading to mass death. what you're seeing is the roots of this civil war is what we're seeing now consistent with pass conflicts. incident. yes, in many ways this conflict is an accumulation of the previous complex. it would never result. i'm actually at the sort of ethnic cleansing that we have seen is

absolutely consistent with the um, of the hoops, you know, sort of what we've seen it within. so that insistence of this very much an element of unfinished business here, but the leaves of states and we'll have to remember that the r s f and south a both codified incident is low as a security oper office. they both have been, you know, of is that are practicing the, the, the very well i think the sort of established ways of repression, ways of controlling this data to keep money and results is within the hands of very few security act is invested. reset the number issue is lack of funds. the un appeal for a to sudan is about 5 percent funded, give or take many or calling it a forgotten war. and the reason is because of this, a severe lack of international attention. why is it more being done? well, for example, is the israel guys award taking attention away from what's happening? and so that might be our main number, she said,

and the reason um there is, uh, kind of a competition. uh, what it seems, seemingly between what's going on and what's going on in the waiting on elsewhere and what's going on is and for various reasons, isn't enough attention to us like what needs to be done. but i try to the answer to this solution with the exception that long does not seem to be on the, on the higher plan prior to the international community. and i think this is a mistake. i want to get at the why of it literally, maybe you can help me understand. i mean, because you made a point in december, you wrote, the vicious, more being far in our country has been far from the attention of a distracted world. but you also said that this precedes october 7th, this precedes the most recent is really incursion into guides. and so what do you

attribute, this lack of international attention to? i mean, when we say, you know, like an international, it says you, i think we have to desegregate that certainly in the region. we have seen that these in the policy space, a lot of attention onto them. whereas in, in the west we haven't seen the requisite level of policy, essentially, and media attention and the to often go hand in hand as you know on the, on a piece like to them. but this is part of the sort of a broad a trend. what events and the horn of africa had been sort of, absolutely, by the west to what we call middle powers in the region. so the saudi arabia, the united, are amaris, guitar, etc. and so right now is a gates in the west to cool back. some of the influence from some of these middle powers has been, has been quite difficult. and often times when you have conversations with different on some of the west, you know, they, they referenced the fact that they cons actually hold. some of these are countries, particularly the united arab emirates, to account in terms of the role of staying in the school, particularly with the very well reported,

well documented claims that are supporting and en, financing and, and so i'm in the rapid support forces. so this is the dumpster position that we live in right now. we are surrounded by country that have a lot of influence of what goes on in the country, but they don't want civilian democratic dispensation incident. and that's why we get these was effectively continuing to be prosecuted by their allies in the country in bass. i want to ask this to you. russia's wagner group has reportedly armed the r s f a u a has deep ties to the r s f. and has also been accused of sending weapons, a saudi arabia, on the other hand, diplomatically backs and what han and is working with the us to try to broker a ceasefire deal of egypt. your neighbor, which is also involved in the mediation efforts, supports the sudanese army as well. how does this web of kind of foreign meddling complicate any efforts towards diplomacy? and how do they prevent a stable so that no reason of course?

absolutely, yes it is a occlusal concern. what to be is that goose flows. we know they are really which is more stuck to put more stuff in the fix themselves. humans here assistance. the easiest thing on the, the cost function should. uh, they some of them have a major role in the industry. so the question yes, have been an addition, have been accused ation. be something, give you the facts about about what you have just said. but finally, i think in the last few months of stuff leaving 2 weeks, this seems to be i units in this, you are a part of the cut them the pro civilian coalition laid by a former student, his prime minister, abdullah from duke. and you will have been working to get a deal with both sides to stop the war and to begin the process of transitioning to

a civilian laid government. now in december, your group met with our itself and you signed a peace agreement. the address about declaration, and that declaration outlined a path out of the conflict and towards a democratic sudan, the sooner these military criticizes meeting, but pro democracy supported them, also criticized that they say that it shows to cut them is sympathetic to the r s f and will accommodate the r s f r u and civilian liter, suggesting coexistence with the r s f. i mean, what role do you imagine the are as of playing incidents future literacy in the, the, the rooms in the future. now there is no doubt that it is at a loss teacher and see that has to be the call is to be taken into the solution of the claim. that the reason that i'm switching to see if all my stuff is on the glen that they have previously accumulated as well. the case about issues with my vision

issues of being next time will that. but that will be the right thing. you know that, you know to themselves here you go last size clear the sunday. no change to the median. you know, i mean that's one capital that helps. yeah. so the how the, how they think i'm going to be excluding. what's your take on this? for me it's, it's, it's pretty obvious. you know, i'm the, the, the revolution which is really always been on the side right side of history. um, once uh, close to 2 things, one for the army to return to the barracks and be out of sydney's politics and to for the r as a to be dissolved. now obviously that's quite difficult to achieve right now, but i think that the central permanency here is that if the are a self indeed has a constituency and potentially could claim that it have. does a constituent, one to be represented by a power ministry group that has exercise levels of violence? we haven't seen for some time and sit down and, and you know,

it just wants to practice politics and why not practice, civilian and politics quite clearly. everything that has happened since april of last year, at least, if not, what has happened in the past 5 years. um at the hands of yours, that tells us that the not the kind of people you can do business with. if you want to stable civilian democratic, sit on ambassador, i mean, this is an interesting point. i mean, it seems pretty clear that the r s f o n, yes i for that matter, i have no interest in protecting sydney civilians. they have no interest in transitioning to a civilian led government even before the civil war. they were working together to bind at least the press peaceable pro democracy protest. and they ultimately refused to give a power. so it seems to me that it would be unreasonable to expect either side to play any significant role in allowing for civilian rule when they've been so firmly and demonstrably committed to undermining civilian rule for all this time. what are you say to that? yes, even though you know, she's, we've not really, really complex the situation. but as i said, and yeah,

the best on the c videos themselves, how big are they? they're, they have cost on an boss themselves getting these kind of situation. so now we need to continue to see together the official cohesion. we need to see so that they really wanted to slap getting that off. and they said that they don't get to the day. but of course it cannot be no good. and the issue that have been on the line on highlighting since the beginning how low cost is actually that the need to really be supporting democracy that, that i have seen again. and i think at the end of the, the vision on this stuff because the situation for kings, the utilities of the what comes in the world, it took me 2 months and with that multiple fail ceasefire negotiations, of what does it take to get to a permanent ceasefire to frankly, leverage this,

we can at least get the 2 main elements of this, the, our assessment staff to not have access to the money that they have to not be able to buy weapon into the same degree and force them to come to the, to the table and not from its position of strength, but a position of weakness. then maybe we can e caught some of those compromises that we have been that have been sort of absent, especially on transitional justice, especially on accountability. because really this whole started because neither of these 2 groups have ever face any kind of accountability for stealing from the state coffers. but from, from killing people from the decades of refreshing that they haven't beat it out on the sudden these people invested. and nadine set the hold of hey, and thank you both for joining me on upfront next month. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back in the

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