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hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. we've gotten just 2 years left to make the domestic changes needed to prevent a reputable damage to our planet. that's the warning from the you and climate chief simon still designed different challenges all immense, but still warns it's coming political challenges that will make or break the bustle . 2 of us, our current course of events, and he says, rich countries need to step up to tackle this crisis. we'll explore all this further without guess and just a moment of this report from victoria guys and be a schedule to hasn't goals. cities across southern russia and parts of kaz extend after europe's the longest way the best it's banks, is the latest dia, weather related event assigned to say, maybe link to climate change. now to mount sink me rapidly, because temperatures were rising better, but it ons, within basic the base temperatures went from 0 to 1789 and 20

degrees in every country on every continent. the climates emergencies taking hold. initially, strong winds at high temperatures have been fueling severe wildfires and its central regions. on the other side of the world in zimbabwe, the government has declared the state of emergency because of extreme drought do and climate she says the time for action is running out. when i say we have 2 years to save the world, it makes the question who exactly has to he is to save the world, to be on site is every person on this planet do you and says the world's 20, which is countries are responsible for 80 percent of label c o 2 emissions it wants greenhouse gas emissions must be caught by nearly hoffen just 6 years. is global warming is to be limited to $1.00 degree celsius. i do say, says governments and not prioritizing climate action last month was officially the

rule missed on record average sea surface temperatures will say the whole test team record like this month in month out really shows us that climate is changing. it's changing rapidly, and climate change is in a future problem. it is a problem that we have to face here and now do you and says the window of opportunity to be climate change is quickly closing. and extreme weather events will only get worse and less the world's acts. now to secure a livable future for old victoria gates and b l, g 0 for inside story. well that's bring, you know, guess now and in brussel, patrick 10 bring sexy general of the european environmental bureau in dublin, john sweeney professor emeritus at munos university and to contribute to to the incoming mental panel on climate change. and also in brussel. suzanne lynch, global type of offer and associates as to police, a kind of i will welcome to all of you,

john. we have 2 years left to save the planet. it's now the you in climate cheapest method, but this sounds melodramatic. but do you agree with the sentiment i do indeed. i mean, i think it stays merely echoing what the ip c c has been saying for many years that procrastination and delete the mix or task almost insurmountable. the longer originally, i think, you know, he's only a queen as well. what the, you themselves have surgeon, they're very recent at risk assessment. so the, the in that to you repeat environment age and say i part of the e u has said even more starkly. but if we don't know, then we do phase catastrophic damage even within europe in the years ahead. so i don't think he's being melodramatic. i think what he's saying is that we may be approaching 15 points on those checks and points may not be recoverable from in

many cases. and that's quite obvious and for no approaching that 1.5 degree value of global warming. so, and unfortunately, although he's saying we have to use to save the world, some of our politicians think that they have 2 months to their jobs. okay. all right, we will get the balance and, and just a moment by the end of the 1.5 degrees celsius is the politicians reactions, patrick festival. can you just give us an idea as to why he's chosen this period 2 years? um, what exactly needs to be done as well? i mean there's an, a massive urgency of actually i engaged in this and i think we're very, very close to the 1.5 degrees. you've seen all the evidence of the impacts. i mean, there's a real window of opportunity to now in europe, we're actually coming to the end of this legislative cycle. so this paula mentioned, this commission president, and at the moment the heads of state are discussing as to what should be the

strategic guidelines for the next 5 years. these will help guide the, the next commission president and deciding what she, what he wished to have a surprise. he is not a ton, will then decide as well what will be on the, on the table the next 5 years. so really, most of the impacts will be in the 1st sort of 100 days, the 1st year of the next commission. so that's why these 2 years of fundamentally important, do you need to implement all the promises that you've already had now? and you need to actually wrap up some of the ambition that you to address the gaps . i don't do that and do we have hope about your i know that you've seen a mix. draft all of the use priority list for the next 5 years. it isn't as draft stage, but just outline for us what is in its overall but what is notes in it? the right status. they just basically taken um uh leave out of the old pay books for about 5 or 10 years ago. it has, it has sort of 3 main threats which is

a strong and secure review of a prosperous and competitiveness. you're a free and democratic, you're up. and of course, what are these things are and what we wish. but what's playing the missing is any reference to the triple klein, the crisis basically have to climb across by diversity crisis, bruce and crisis and all that slings. and also what is fundamentally missing is the idea of adjust transition as well as social dimensions. so these 2 elements are missing and the evidence around us is that we common forward on this rep own if you're with us. so we need to just transition and we needs to basically deal with these questions though we think of them, they gave me to political process that we have in europe. this or and, and some way to live with the site is that we need to additional products east to the free one is a green transition. europe and the other. is it just transition to europe and the green congest transition in some way should be think over option one for everything, because that would actually also then support the 3 other objectives which are both

fine. and i say that is interesting looking at this priority list of the you're the you isn't it because the previous one, the previous 5 years it put climate change front and center calling it an existence . so threat. so what's changed? so back in 2019, when the european commission presenters have underlined with starting her 1st 5 year term. and this was before coal was at this is before the war and ukraine, the full fledged invasion by russia of ukraine. and since then, europe has been struggling with high energy prices as a result of that more and ukraine and arriving inflation as well. i think that's a lot of voters are not pushing at climate change as far as their level or their list of concerns. i had of these elections as immersive underlying and we've had who heads up the european commission to have said it as much. she is now running for a 2nd term, a 2nd 5 year term. i've been hearing there. we do have

a leech copy of the really no initial discussion about what the priorities are. when she noticed her campaign a couple of months ago, she didn't, she didn't really mention climb is either. instead, the focus now in europe is very much on the defense on trying to increase europe's defense capacity, for example, it's on migration of the economy. so i think other issues have moved the center stage, particularly here in brussels for those in power at the moment. just please have a sense um, what are, what are the consequences of that just those we need to be pulling out or stop slowing temperatures governments. they some the you seem to be ignoring it. well, it's not going to cause well in, in the media term. we're seeing now is only, you know, we're in the last few months of this current administration. if you like. we're already seeing problems and trying to implement some bits of the use green de la people to get through. for example, there's been a huge role here in brussels over something called the nature restoration law. that

was a both kind of restore and damaged bio diversity areas across europe. we've seen lots of countries now combined, some of them quite last minute, and the cab support them probably for example, which has kind of played along and seems fine with this regulation. have now come in and said, no, we're in solidarity with farmers. and we don't think that this logical, true, so it's already having an impact on some of the specific like technic code measure that the was pushing through. i mean, unless it been perspective is that the, you have generally be the leader on climate change, you know, with other blocks of, of, certainly of the united states of china, of other big countries over i think it is a worry and sign that the e u is not going to prioritize this well then, who is absolutely because tell him that was a recent report by the governmental panel on climate change to which you are a contribute to having every scenario showing that the world is like the shoot, the goal of $1.00 degrees celsius temperature rise. tell us about those scenarios

as well as the scenarios have been around for some time. but the, the recent report confirmed that almost it's going to be almost impossible. now to avoid that 1.5 degree scenario and the consequences of that, that we know certain things will how to, which may not be recoverable. we know we're probably going to lose the car rece. we know we're being started already. the era vocal melting out of greenland and parts of and torture that will go on terms of rise and sea level for centuries. that those last 2 things we know also that we may be dicing was the atlantic of the overturning circulation. with all of the consequences that has for you are on putting that all together and you know, it really i'm bound to advise what suzanne was saying there. but sadly, instead of recognizing the need for safety, we're seeing instead of this month link,

or many of the more progressive actions that the commission took in the 1st few years of it. some of those 10 years we've seen the this will lead to restoration law being blocked. we've seen the dismantling of value of green and environmental measures in cap taking place on that strategic agenda that we've also mentioned as well as trinity, while the disaster in terms of treating climate change up as a priority for the enrollment commission. so all of that is putting together a picture of a loss of leadership, a loss of heart. and so many member states, of course, that's really quite bad because we often depend on the commission and d, e. u in general, to put back going into local politicians who riots respond to much more localized things. and that's, that's one of the service things we've seen in the past months of deregulation. this been going on, patrick,

one of the quotes that really struck me as i was researching for this topic was by full manasseh climate sciences james hunts. and he said $1.00 is data that a tool now. and anybody who understands the physics knows that. so why then do we have a lead is ignoring the science what i think a lot of it now is little funny, the know, ignoring little the science because a lot of them actually really understand this is one of them forward. so we would call just have a coat cookie, broad brush thing, and no one's for it. there's a lot of good people try to good things. but the problem is that the people talk about policy making being and the also the possible. and i think that the constellation is that there's a lot of people are offering for short term interest, and they're not willing to make the efforts now to be able to, to the banks, make sure that we address the long term and then medium, southern and button impacts and i think a lot of that is short term politics because we're heading into the european elections. and so people are trying to win win votes,

was the land as part of the european peoples policy. and so she needs to show that she just has there, has that has that falls in mind. and so she gets there back and when did she restored? also in the european bottom instead of the if you look at the way they pulse ago and it shows more and more for the fall, right? so we're going to be very difficult. so you see a shift towards so there's more far right sensitive positions. and so as running a whole bunch of things under the bus to be able to show them they're actually merits in being uh, being electable. so that's a lot of reasons. and there's also an incredible amounts of lobbying going on to basically have this deregulation to work out a lot of these of these laws. there's also a whole bunch of good industry. so trying to involve some things just to be clear. but there was a scale between those people are really fighting hard to undermine everything. and those that are actually trying to progress things. and i don't think that that has been just yes. okay, yes. and that, let's just pick up on that because there is

a broad, i'm vision for net 0 by 2050, in the interest of not costing gloom and doom across the whole world. is there any nation or group that's on track to achieve that? yes, there are a number of nations that are really pushing forward across across the world. i mean, even the ones that you don't think i'm pushing for it because people are very, very easily say over china is the greatest pollution of course is polluting a huge amount. but if you're looking at the scale of the investments to begin with and renewal entities in china is actually a gulf smacking the amount they're doing. so, and even even in america we, we could also criticized as being way got europe. if you look at texas, actually, renewables is displacing fossil fuels in texas though because of the whole of the home of fossil fuels. so i think this, there are really examples across the world of people doing quite a lot, but it's governments or individuals or regions or cities. so i think there is how we just need to accept, right? that foster and we, what we really don't want to do is to undermine is by like basically changing the

strategic agenda towards one which is going back 10 years. i mean, i can't just say, but skinny. we need to get this done because it says on however, countries as opposed to of hauled greenhouse. so suppose to have greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and yet last year they increased to a record high. can you explain that? well, for example, in the you've got 27, very different countries into your opinion. so yes or target's each country of target for each company is very different economies in history. so for example, some countries, farming emissions will be a big part of their emissions issues. but other countries, it will be heavy industry, for example, and then you've got a hold to base with in europe about countries where pro nuclear energy add like from, for example, is very strong homeless. and those who have abandoned their don't want to engage and use their energy at likes, germany, who decided to move away from

u. k or under angular merkel. so you've got all these competing priorities with in the you about who should bear the bronx. and they see it costs at to tackling climate change on the sector that has been the most vocal. i mean, there is a lot of lobbying going on here with the sector that would be helpful to have them back to me being the farming community here in brussels. we lost a protest by farmers. we've seen them right across europe and easily in poland at so they are making their voices heard and more and more. it's not as bonded line as you the german at center ice politician. she's hearing a criticism from her own power back in germany and german business, but always you hear her talking now about, you know, the needs to listen to farmers. i'm the need to kind of get a business case if you like for the climate at you know, the climate agenda and so they have definitely made their, their voices heard. and so to have businesses. and let me say, here we go election,

the european parliament elections take place in june where the $700.00 plus members of the european probably going to be elected. i think people here in rivers are worried that the far right i could latch on this issue. and really make a dent to some of the san for the park is like for example, at some polls they're suggesting that green parties that are represented here in brussels, that they are going to suffer in these elections. and it makes me see and actions now just in a couple of months way, but this whole issue of climate is definitely playing into the jack the dynamic. okay, john, let's pause in this house a little bit because of course, a big issue is g, 20 nations causing emissions. the on the big issue is climate funding for poor nations who often find themselves on the front lines of climate change. you've got a wells bank think well by leasing this month is debt relief and financial aid full . these nations going to be on its agenda. i was old. so i mean, we have to bear in mind such the per capita emissions from the rich countries as

something like 5 or 6 times, but from the parents country. and we have to bear in mind as well that the top 10 percent of rich countries and rich people in the world. and that includes most of these in europe, a cancer about 50 percent of global emissions. so there's an element of culpability here that we can't run away from the dr. sims and bob we that you mentioned is not the fault of the people of zimbabwe. it's seriously couldn't contribute you too, by what we in the west are doing what we in the developed world are doing. so i think it's incumbent on the g 20 to face up to its responsibilities, but it has to be a leader in this area. and the you and the europe in general has been the area that people have looked too far. leadership, historically in climate, during the years of the trunk administration, for example. it was the you, the tech, the candle alive if you like. but in terms of climate action,

so i think that we have to route to leaders in the us. and why didn't we g 20 button? so let's design was saying, there are countries in the developing world which are models in terms of their attention, attention this to this issue. and they are willing to forego short term economic growth for long term sustainability. i think it's time that we also recognize that this is something we have to do in the developed world as well. cycling isn't quite, we have to recognize that the moment is that anybody whose thoughts science and farms policy is sadly mistaken. policy is increasingly obviously formed by short term lobby goods. on to you, you have a very, an equal division if you like, of, of, of influence, very powerful lobby groups and brussels, but very, very weak. and yours another it and other bodies to try and run the counter arguments. and sadly they are the people who have not been listened to the last 2

months. if we take it right down to the grocery, it's patrick. we've just had a big win. haven't me for swiss swim in your pen course of human nice ruling of a switch. government must do more to tackle climate change. i mean, that just shows that groceries action, everyone taking responsibility come look. absolutely, i mean there's, there's 2 levels to that. one is one, is the actual ruling basically saying it is a, it is a human rights and that's, that's, that's being ignored by this government because it says governments not doing enough. and exactly the same thing can be said across whole governments, basically, because not enough as being done if you look at the risk of climate impacts. so, so we haven't talked much about pollution and toxics, but there's also millions and millions of the cases of a free, but it's also impacts of cancer about the mortality of all their laws. that dimension which is associated with a lack of policy action. and i think civil society around the world and citizens

around the world are really pushing this information out there. but it requires actually both people pushing it, but also some people to this. and that unfortunately, and this legal case they, they listen to the evidence and they told of the evidence and they concluded that human rights are being breached in this case. and this basically such an amazing precedent for others. and we also have a number of years ago, quite location in the netherlands, which was long, which pushed and as i was to do more. so i think the we have to keep going with this and keep pushing us and putting our arguments up. there are people who listen, but now people 5 back and we just need to have more people listening that they were winning. okay. yeah. and suzanne, another place where people, the individual is empowered is at the ballot box and we do have a almost positive hold going to election physical the you of course. but many of the countries, india, the us, the u. k. all any candidates who are focused on climate likely to win?

well, i mean, we'd some id, say a myriad of, of countries here. i'm thinking of buying a dash, for example, and was all about the poles. it's, it has been a country that's been massively affected by climate change did feature in the election. i don't think as strongly as, as many people would, would think. you know, that the idea is that voters focus on certain issues on domestic issues at when they go to the polls in the united states savvy. that's a huge the, it's become a very political issue. we see the republican candidate, donald trump, for example. i really take off the call against electric vehicles, for example, i would kind of device of a wedge issue. and now the politicians have to listen to their main a, you know, younger supporters and do a whole show that the younger voters and do that. you climates at one of the policies of their politicians after the, at the moment, as i say, polls particularly in your, for the european elections,

are suggesting that those green parties part of the port climate change of the top are not going to perform a particularly well in these elections here in europe at this summer, john always then ultimately going to be leaving this problem full. the young people for the next generation, as we are the time is ultimately an intergenerational issue. and the us is onset people tend to be preoccupied. the short term issues who's going to pay the rent, who's going to pay the mortgage? what's the price of milk going to be in a supermarket? that's why we depend on leadership from our elected officials. that's why we depend on people having a longer view and doing the right thing, not just for their own electro advantage, but for the next generation coming along. and i think, you know, the only hope we have in this area is coming from young people who recognize themselves. but they are the ones that are going to suffer. they are the ones who

are going to have to make the hard choices and increasingly unsustainable worlds. in the future, and that will be a savage indictment on the current generation, both of people, my age and also of our target profit, politicians that they're not willing to see beyond the short term political advantages and look to a rather more enlightened future, which could be around the corner of patrick, the young generation, also technology. we haven't really touched on that in this discussion just in the last couple of minutes that we've got. is that something that perhaps can save us if, when we exceed $1.00 degrees c. i mean, technology is of course rates and that ends and has lots of potential, but we should honest with that question, but we also need to make sure we talked about energy efficiency sufficiency. so me and also even just in doing less,

i'm not saying put on hair shirts or anything of course. but with respect to technology, i think is really geez, key points. because if you look at the renewable energy is the prices have gone down massively. if you look at, if you just look at the cost goes over time and you get other people at the same time with pushing forward solutions, which are like com, capture and storage. nuclear certain other all the other, other investments. that if you look at the cost of it, we really need to invest in the whole renewables issue and we really invested energy efficiency. and then you'll find that we can actually come out. so any people talking about let's, let's take the commonality. yeah. i mean, we may need a tiny bit of comp and capture and storage. okay. fundamentally, what we need to do is to put all the money into the 100 percent renewable shift. okay, so that does law. so you wouldn't cover cop to engage in dubai, extensively with cop 29 and back to and as a by john coming up next. are you going? are you optimistic? what's that gonna bring? and i will be going and look has been

a lot of controversy and by the fact that other by john is hosting in the next age told a have a huge fossil fuel industry as to the u, a. e that i've told. so there's a lot of concern about that and let's see how it goes. i mean, i think of progress was made at the last a call back in december in due by the preparations are underway here in brussels. as you environment ministers are meeting or climb administered, for example, they're all looking at had to call. it's very much and the main ad ping on the agenda in terms of the time of this year. although as you mentioned the word bank, i am at the meetings this month will also be significant. but yes, when i have a it's, it's going to be the bulk of wind for climate discussions over the next few months . okay. and a phone call to me is by the sounds of it. many things to our guest today for joining us, patrick time, bring joan sweeney and suzanne lynch. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. that's all just there a dot com for further discussion to go to

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