supposed to have the 1st opportunity to choose 22 year old caitlin clock up that he was already shot to the college, the circuit schooling record. so henderson has moved from evanston in illinois. it's possible many say likely that the best women's basketball player ever is about to step on a pro court for the 1st time. at this point you feel like she walks in as the greatest player of all time. caitlin clark averages more than 28 points. a game, often more than half for teams total. the university of iowa sensation broke the all time scoring record for women's in men's college basketball earlier this year. and hardly seem to notice. now she's going pro, as the indian a fever is expected to make her the 1st choice in the women's national basketball association draft. you know that i said it's not as fun to watch. i can correspond to watch as clerk sings long range, 3 pointers. she's also shown she's got game when it comes to

a bowl. the w n. b a has found lucy put in bodies in the stands. there are 7039 seats here of wealth. ryan, a rena northwestern university, and every one of them was occupied earlier this year when katelyn clark came to town. it was the 1st time ever a women's game sold out here. fans lined up for 9 hours. the w. n. b, a is hoping to see that kind of enthusiasm when clark joins the lee during the national collegiate athletic associations, march madness, tournament fans packed into willie wheels pub in chicago. hundreds of miles from iowa to cheer herat. she's aggressive, she's passionate and then she's also a team player as well. she's amazing what the kids like beyond what any email player i've done is a report take seriously. you know, women are pretty great so, so i'm just happy to be a part of it and have somebody supported people around me and you know,

he making history after dribbling circles around related their opponent. clerk recently gave her autograph seekers to a girl wearing her number 22 jersey katelyn is different and i don't know if it's because she's having shots that usually the med can hit and she's doing it with such ease. but i think it's mostly her persona. she understands the celebrity that comes with what she's doing. she's able to connect with young kids. she takes time to do that. that's what legacy clark hopes to leave women's basketball and the next generation getting ready to step in her shoes. john henry, and l g 0. evanston, illinois, i can find it up most sports news features analysis on our website that's houses here a dot com. the news continues. hit on notice. so you know, often upfront to stick. the one of the biggest selections of 2020 poles in the general election will administer

now render moody's b t p. increase its root across the country. how will economic uncertainty and you've some employment swaying, focused in key states? and will the media be able to cover the vote, reading and fairly ongoing coverage, but in the, as an actions on out is 0. so that marks one year of civil war in groups. the calling for more funding and more attention. but what's become one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world? so why have piece talk stalled and what, what to take to get a ceasefire. and this episode will be exploring these in other questions in great detail. but 1st, here's one guy that has introduced 7th month with residents in desperate need of food and medicine. but a group say they're facing increased risk in the territory, which is hindering their humana, terry, in operations. so what lies ahead and housing thousands get the a that they need to survive. last, the international committee of the red cross is regional director for near and

middle east, but they feel kind of building the ability to kind of only thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you for inviting me. the humanitarian situation in gaza is spirally more than 33000 people have been killed. the majority of those people have been women and children. according to one analysis, 100 percent of guys. this population is at imminent risk of famine. health care is also buckling. there's only about 10 of the territories. 36 hospitals, even partially functioning. there's talk about a possible round invasion in the rough uh, your organization. international committee of the red cross is in guys that you're in touch with the teams there. could you talk to me about what you're hearing from the ground? what we hear from the ground is it's either the something which cannot be capture by figures. and i believe that at one stage,

the way we have described the cries in, guys, us, we have running out of words and concepts to describe what is in guys you know, you as you might try to act as we've seen a lot of things. but what we see in guys, it's something we really have hard time to capture. and then what is it? i think it's this permanent states of um, instability. does this uh, precarious situation, this constance fear of being at the wrong time. wrong plays not knowing what you're going to provide to your children, to your family. so the words, the concept, the destruction of how does the destruction of a central infrastructure, the fighting, the kidding. and then there was something which is a psychologically devastating, which is hard to capture,

i think. so what we hear from the ground is just that colleagues, probably seen colleagues small by colleagues just come take it anymore. one of the challenges in addition to the sort of psychological despair you're describing and the fear and all the things you've just named is a very material question around aid access. it's been an ongoing issue throughout the war. people are in dire need of aid. there are so many stories about guidance who are struggling for survival reports of families that are eating grass or even animal feet. residents not being, being able to access medical care. all of this is part of the normalized, normalized picture and guys it could you talk a little bit about why the aid access is so difficult? guess 1st i, i really like the concept to use of this normalizing something which is diagnosed and there are possible to normalize it, but i think you and you capturing something very important uh with this. and we

need to be careful not to normalize what's happening in gas out today. what i'm talking, i have to, to, to acknowledge that the excess of the my to and assistance in guys i as improve dramatically over the last 2 or 3 days. now what is needed is a sustain efforts doesn't. it's not a matter of one day to day of improvement. it needs to be sustained. and then there is a security and safety off. you might turn actors, i'm thinking obviously about the bodies to invite crescent society who us last many voted fees, but also all the organization and be seen last week, but happen with uh was sent from the kitchen. so security for the maintenance actors and security for uh, the people of guys uh, we need to move freely to have access to a sense of service. this being said,

what is needed to bring a minimum level off services and dignity. we stayed as far from this um, because the me t is about managing that know a lot of dead bodies. we need to give them a proper um, uh barrios and needs to focus on this. when it comes to to trucks, trucks, we'd not replace the hospital, those who have been damaged or destroyed with enough to replace the watts in network which was affected and we'd not replace the electricity infrastructure. so we need to acknowledge the improvement, but it can only be the beginning. uh earlier you mentioned what happened with world central kitchen, for the benefit of the audience. april 1st was the david 7 aid workers from that

non profit organization were killed by in is really air strike. benjamin netanyahu said that the attacks were an intentional, but he also said that, quote, this happens in war time. but do you think uh enough for cautions were taking uh to protect workers or, or better yet air precautions in general, sufficiently being taken to protect aid workers during this conflict. and i'm just looking at the figures, you know, and when i look at the figures of the number of you might tiring at those kids doing this wrong last throughout months of biden's. it is just and comparable to what we seen in the other places around the world. so i will not, you know, i, i don't have 1st time information. the minimum we can say is that considering the level, the number of people killed, the level of destruction, the level of people displaced. the number of you might turn actors killed. is that

for sure, the little of i'm conflict which protects all those people was not central or parties to this conflict. what are your thoughts on this specific dangers and aid workers are facing in this war? are they different then other conflicts? are they different than in other regions? yes, i think what makes guys a difference is that old guys a is a, was a back to the feet. okay. i mean a comparison. it's always difficult, but it's like, you know, working in a trench on the front line you might turn and act as don't do that. yeah, we don't. and then you might and civilians don't stay on the, about the feet. so the specificity of gas off is the populated area, an area where fighting is possible everywhere. and what

population cannot leave the place and, and, and it's very, very unique. and that's why also as, as you may turn actors, we are taking way more risks. and then what you would taking any of the country around the was to be when i talked to my colleagues, i just seen him colleagues, international stuff. the story i see here, the motion is the 18 which they are is, is really unique. i. we use the word which i, i really don't like using when we speak about you may time action be the concept of erupts. oh, when i think about a policy and stuff, when i think about the volunteers or the pasting, requesting society when i think about the people who are trying to add others. and by the way, that not,

or you might find an actors to do that today in gaza. you are a special ed bus us, somebody was or something above average in terms of humanity, generosity, empathy, and courage, powerful words for somebody to thank you so much for joining us here on upfront. we really appreciate it. thank you very much for the interview. the sonata has been at war for nearly a year. fighting began in the capital of cartoon on april 15th last year. after growing tensions between military factions on one side, general active protest, as behind the head of the student needs armed forces or f, a f. when the other general mohammed him then does, i'll also known as i met the leader of the r s. f. rapid support forces a power military group. the jump ropes were previously allies involved in 2 proves in 2019 a popular uprising that ousted long time dictator. i'm going to shoot and put into

place a transitional government. they promised and eventually civilian led democracy and been in 2021. the military took control of the transitional government behind promised elections in 2023, but disagreement over the r. s. s. integration into the sudanese army sparked the civil war that has so far killed within 14000 people. within 10000000 people have fled their homes and making it the world's largest displacement crisis. it's also expected to be the world's worst holder prices, with a 3rd of the population facing acute food and security according to the united nations. so how does this end? and what can be done to help civilians caught in the crossfire. here to speak with us is former student needs investment to the united states. nadine set the n hold of head founder and director of confluence advisory assuming these think tank. i want to thank both of you for joining me on upfront invest that are set to im gonna start with you. you are part of that power sharing transitional government between civilian groups and military groups that was formed after the 2019 cool. after the

2021 military take over, i asked you on this very show. why are you allowed military leaders accuse of simon writes abuses to be part of the transitional government. and you said this to me. you said at certain moments in history. when you want to move forward, you have to compromise. now at that time, of course you had faith that civilian and military groups couldn't negotiate a deal that would lead to full civilian rule. how do you assess that, that faith now? well, thank you for having me on my system to close to uh see uh to the the, the convenience that we signed to the media city of the city. here's the shavings on both sides. the sea responsible for what happened. and of course the media city even probably last. so by the end of the day i

still this doesn't work. i see a lot. that's the last time we met. i understand the need for a compromise and bass that are, but you put your face into very specific people to generals with a record of human rights abuses. do you regret putting your faith in those 2 people? but i, i see that's why you compromise such situations. you have to be very careful not to i know enough space or most useful computing agreements. so as to take the boxes you will be and you have to the good afternoon. i don't see expedius, i need some of the additional numbers. you know, the one that you've signed an agreement that you are up to the task and that you don't have to be trusty and to be in and out of your way. and this is not an easy

task. and, but that's where the suspicion that people have been, you know, facing 2 years ago about the situation facing in, uh, hulu. uh, the humanitarian situation was already bad in sudan before this war. but now it's deteriorating rapidly. it's become maybe the largest crisis in the world. uh, could you talk about what's going on on the ground right now in terms of the humanitarian situation and help us understand why it's gotten so bad as well as you say, you know, the infrastructure in sedan was poor to start off with before the war, even stopped and that's because proceeding the, well we had a crew and that's to vastly deteriorate to the, the states capacity to provide services. and so when the war came was very easy to obliterate health services, education services and service provision in general. so we have even from the past few months of the war, 80 percent of health services out of commission. and that number has only risen.

we've had 19000000 children as announced by units of out of school. and that number has risen to we have numbers of people that are facing starvation, that them the un puts us around 25000000, but that number is, is certainly to my mind, much, much great to. and we'll continue to grow if the next season of the next agricultural season fails. what we have at the moment is a conversation around you know, whether saddam is in signing or not. but simon is what happens when you are busy trying to find data to support it. there are other crises on top of the, the food in security issue. there are accounts of widespread sexual violence against women and children and targeted killings of non air of ethnic groups, both being sort of weaponized in this floor. uh ceilings in the western region of the ford are at the center of the violence and of largely been taken over at this point by the r s f. 20 years ago. the r 4 became synonymous with the genocide of the same ethnic groups being targeted now by the militias. that would later become

the r s. f. back. been the accusations of food deprivation, in other forms of a deprivation being used as a weapon of war leading to mass death. what do you say is the roots of this civil war? is what we're seeing now consistent with past conflicts? incident? yes, in many ways this conflict is an accumulation of the previous complex. it would never result. i'm actually at the sort of ethnic cleansing that we have seen is absolutely consistent with the um, of the hoops. you know, sort of what we've seen it with incident insistence of this very much an element of unfinished business here. but the leave of states and we'll have to remember that the r s f and south a both codified incident is low as a security oper. office, they both have been, you know, of sort of practicing the, the, the very well, i think the sort of established ways of repression, ways of controlling the state to keep money. and results is within the hands of very few security act as invested

a set to another issue is lack of funds. the u. an appeal for a to sudan is about 5 percent funded, give or take many or calling it a forgotten war. and the reason is because of this, a severe lack of international attention. why is it more being done? but for example, is the israel guys, a war taking attention away from what's happening? and so that might be our main number. she said, the reason there is a kind of a competition. no, it, it seems seemingly between what's going on and what's going on in the lane on elsewhere and what's going on is and for the various reasons, there isn't enough attention to escalate what needs to be done. but uh, also to this position with the exception that um, so the move does not seem to be on the,

on the higher plan prior to the international community. and i think this is a mistake. i want to get at the why of a little maybe you can help me understand. i mean, because you made a point in december, you wrote, the vicious, more being far in our country has been far from the attention of a distracted world. but you also said that this precedes october 7th, this precedes the most recent is really encouraging into guides. so what do you attribute this lack of international attention to? i mean, when we say, you know, lack of international efficiency, we have to desegregate that suddenly in the region. we have seen that these in the policy space, a lot of attention onto them. whereas in the west, we haven't seen the requisite level of policy, essentially on media attention, and the to often go hand in hand as you know on the, on a piece likes to them. but this is part of a, the sort of a broad, a trend with events and the horn of africa. i have been sort of outsourced by the west to what we call middle powers in the region. so the saudi arabia, the united,

our memories, guitar, etc. and so right now is a gates in the west to pull back some of the influence from some of these middle powers has that has been quite difficult. and often times when you have conversations with different on some of the west, you know, they, they referenced the fact that they cost actually hold. some of these are countries, particularly the united arab emirates, to account in terms of the role of staying in this world, particularly with the very well reported and well documented claims that it's supporting and financing and, and so i'm in the rapid support forces. so this is the dumpster position that we live in right now. we are surrounded by country that have a lot of influence of what goes on in the country, but they don't want civilian democratic dispensation incident. and that's why we get these was effectively continuing to be prosecuted by their allies in the country and bass. i want to ask this to you. russia's wagner group has reportedly armed the r s f. by the way, he has deep ties to the r s f, and has also been accused of sending weapons. a saudi arabia, on the other hand,

diplomatically backs and behind, and is working with the us to try to broker a ceasefire deal of egypt. your neighbor, which is also involved in the mediation efforts, supports the sudanese army as well. how does this web of kind of foreign meddling complicate any efforts towards diplomacy? and how do we prevent a stable so that no reason of course? absolutely, yes is a, is a occlusal going soon? what to be is that goose flows. we know they are rooted, which is most start to promote the stuff in the or the extent of city is to interior assistance and the cost function should uh they some of them have a major role in design. so the question, yes, that'd be navigation. that'd be in a position, be something, give you the facts about, about what you have guessing. but finally,

you're seeing in the last few months of stuff leaving 2 weeks. this seems to the units in this uh you are a part of the the pro civilian coalition laid by a former student east, prime minister, abdullah from book. and you will have been working to get a deal with both sides to stop the war and to begin the process of transitioning to a civilian led government. now in december, your group met with our s f and you signed a peace agreement. the address about declaration and that declaration outlined a path out of the conflict and towards a democratic student. the sooner these military criticized this meeting, but pro democracy supported them also criticized it. they say that it shows to cut them is sympathetic to the r s f and will accommodate the r s f r u and civilian leaders suggesting coexistence with the r s f. i mean, what role do you imagine the are as of playing incidents future really seeing the,

the, the rooms in the future. there is no doubt that it is a state truancy that has to be the cause that has to be taken into the solution of the claim. that the reason that i'm switching to see if all my stuff is on the gland they have previously accumulated as well. the case about issues with my vision issues of being next time will that. but that will be the right thing. you know, that, you know, move themselves here. you go, what size? clear the sunday night looking to bring me in. you know, you mean that's one copy so that helps. yeah. so the how the, how they think i'm gonna be excluding. what's your take on this? for me it's, it's, it's pretty obvious. you know, i'm the, the, the revolution which is really always been on the side right side of history. um, once uh, close to 2 things,

one for the army to return to the barracks and be out of sydney's politics and to for the r as a to be dissolved. now obviously that's quite difficult to achieve right now, but i think that the central time is here is that if the are a suff indeed has a constituency and potentially could claim that it have. does a constituent want to be represented by a power ministry group that has exercised levels of violence? we haven't seen for some time and sit down and, and you know, if it wants to practice politics and why not practice civilian politics? quite clearly. everything that has happened since april of last year, at least, if not, what has happened in the past 5 years at the hands of yours that tells us that they're not the kind of people you can do business with. if you want to staples of, in, in democratic sit on investor. i mean, this is an interesting point. i mean, it seems pretty clear that the r s f o n, yes. are you for that matter of no interest in protecting as it needs to billions they have no interest in transitioning to a civilian led government even before the civil war. they were working together to violently suppress peaceful pro democracy protest,

and they ultimately refused to give up power. so it seems to me that it would be unreasonable to expect either side to play any significant role in allowing for civilian rule when they've been so firmly and demonstrably committed to undermining civilian rule for all this time. what do you say to that? the yes the, you know, physically the, the complex situation with, as i said, and yeah, the best on the see videos themselves, how they play their, their cost and the impulse they've associated these kind of situation. so now we need to continue to see together the official cohesion. we need to see the rules. so the, the really saying i was laughing enough when i and they said that they don't get to the day. but of course, it cannot be the and the issue that have been on the line on highlighting since the beginning how low cost is actually the need to really be

supporting democracy. that, that i have seen again. and i think at the end of the, the vision on this stuff because the situation for kings, the utilities of the what comes in going to be 2 months and we've had multiple fail ceasefire negotiations hold. what does it take to get to a permanent ceasefire? to frankly, leverage this, we can at least get the 2 main elements of this, the, our assessment staff to not have access to the money that they have to not be able to buy weapons into the same degree and force them to come to the, to the table and not from its position of strength, but a position of weakness. then maybe we can e caught some of those compromises that we have been that have been sort of absent, especially on transitional justice, especially on accountability. because really this whole started because neither of these 2 groups have ever faced any kind of accountability for stealing from the state caf as but some from killing people from the decades of refreshing that they

haven't beat it out on the sudden these people invested. and nadine, set the whole world ahead and thank you both for joining me on upfront next month. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back. the a pod is an inconvenience. as the oil see suffered casualties. we have not suffered scientology use. thank goodness we did have injuries from a missile strike on a guest house, thought provoking on to who that you say know double standards to all of us. any anyone in particular? i said, all facing realities, government seems here to whittle down democracy. it's because it's troubling. for you, it's very, very painful here. the story on talk to how does era there's

a deliverance. mission of health mean humanity in western and it needs to be questioned. this is not the time to, to mr. kind of way. examining the effect that news coverage can have on democracies everywhere. here at the listening past, these called church solutions that gives us know for a future that we have to find creative solutions, not just turn our backs on the. don't think that has a number, think about it as a person yourself and that person shoes. so as you can see for this is my us, my life, like at least in my life, those stages we want we want to operate because the women and my country deadlocks, we we are not denies all of who we are human beings and deserves to be treated in the footsteps,

our ancestors whatever has been done before can be done even better. as long as a human being is doing it. you just have to keep pushing because no one else can see. the vision is keywords you to the the middle is, is on the bidding as the people of the region are confronting good, real dangerous. have a devastating scale come a call to the fairs. i'm de escalate tensions. us a un security council meeting discussing a rooms attack on israel. the of them are kyle, this is out. is there a live from doe who also coming up as well? who.