of how to 0 now with 100 days to go until the style of the let me pick games and pass. well, it should be a time of excitement and anticipation you might say for the french capitalist residents. but it's being met with mixed reactions. tom size and explains it's been 7 years in the making for power as, as the city finalize preparations for the start of the games. come july 10 and a half 1000 athletes from $206.00 countries will descend on francis capital for an event that's expected to drawing $13000000.00 inspect titus. so the 2100000 inhabitants who lived there. sabina, disruptive period for lots of them. the real lynx is that you all know these are really all the stuff and excited no story. that's certainly not the answer. i'm not excited at all about the olympics, even if it's still a great event for parents. i have a lot of concerns about the organization, transportation,

the fact that will continue to work and concerns for those who are going to swim in that water. that is just disgusting. really disgusting. yes, i have a lot of concerns organized as a set, the confidence, the mood in the city would change as the event is that many parisians have said they would like to leave the city during the games. if they could have doubts over whether the sitting is ready as possible as possible, and then a minute to specify that as well. i don't think the city of paris itself is ready. in fact, there are things that we should have planned for sooner. like i'm thinking of the month upon us tower construction side. in fact, we were promised a lot of stuff. i even remember that we were promised that transportation would be free and nothing has been done. so i don't think we're ready. no. i'm simple spoken to some locals be of interest, be met with optimizon, manage wants for the city to show as qualities as it goes up for its 1st hosting of the games for a 100 years. the opening ceremony is set to take place on the rivers center,

but it could be moved to the start, the fronts to, to concerns over security and cleanliness, real. that's also a big impression on suppose because the insurance boom. yes, we're looking forward to it because it's a chance to see the olympic games in france. so we're happy and we can't wait. we know the whole world is watching us, so we'll do our best to welcome the world france. like you have a back down to our old walls here. think ceremony will kick off the games on the 26th of july, tom size ins out 0. well that's it for this show, but the good news is, elizabeth is back in just a couple of minutes with another full show. and of course, you can stay on to date with old and use your head over to our website. i'll do 0. don't come upfront. continues to stay with the reporting from the action. have you have a great winning hearing this

thoughts, palestinian or airbag content has been removed or restricted understanding the reality for these demonstrators. if president lucky, self reckoning the stability of the country, i'll just say it was teens across the world. when you click sensitive the fonts at the store, the, the best landmarks of one year of civil war in groups of calling for more funding and more attention. but what's become one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world? so why have piece talk stalled in what want to take to get a ceasefire? and this episode will be exploring these in other questions in great detail. but 1st, here's one guy that has introduced 7th month with residents in desperate need of food and medicine. but a group say they're facing increased risk in the territory, which is hindering their humana, terry, in operation. so what lies ahead and housing thousands get the

a that they need to survive? well that's the international committee of the red cross is regional director for near and middle east, but they feel kind of building the ability to kind of only thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you for inviting me. the humanitarian situation in gaza is spirally more than 33000 people have been killed. the majority of those people have been women and children. according to one analysis, 100 percent of guys. this population is at imminent risk of famine. health care is also buckling. there's only about 10 of the territories. 36 hospitals, even partially functioning. this talk about a possible round invasion in the rough uh, your organization, international committee. the red cross is in guys that you're in touch with the teams there. could you talk to me about what you're hearing from the ground? what we hear from the ground is it's either the something which cannot be capture

by figures. and i believe that at one stage, the way we have described the prizes in guides, us, we have running out of words and concepts to describe what is in gaza. you know, you as you might try and act as we've seen a lot of things. but what we see in guys uh, it's something we really have hard time to capture and, and what is it? i think it's this comment on states of um, instability. does this uh, precarious situation this constance fear of being at the wrong time. wrong plays not knowing what you're going to provide to your children, to your family. so the words, the concept, the destruction of how does the destruction of essentially infrastructure the fighting, the kidding. and then there was something which is

a psychologically devastating, which is hard to capture, i think. so what we hear from the ground is just that colleagues, probably seen colleagues small by colleagues just come take it anymore. one of the challenges, in addition to the sort of psychological despair you're describing in the fear and all the things you've just named is a very material question around aid access. it's been an ongoing issue throughout the war. people are in dire need of aid. there are so many stories about guidance who are struggling for survival reports of families that are eating grass or even animal feet. residents not being, being able to access medical care. all of this is part of the normalized, normalized picture and guys it could you talk a little bit about why the aid access is so difficult? guess 1st i, i really like the concept to use of this normalizing something which is

diagnosed under possible to normalize it. but i think you and you capturing something very important of with this. and we need to be careful not to normalize what's happening in gas out today. what i'm talking, i have to, to, to acknowledge that the excess of the my to and assistance in gas, uh, as improve dramatically over the last 2 or 3 days. now what is needed is a sustain efforts doesn't. it's not a matter of one day to day of improvement. it needs to be sustained. and then there is a security and safety off. you might turn actors, i'm thinking obviously about the bodies to invite crescent society who us last many voted fees, but also all the organization and be seen last week, but happen with uh was sent from the kitchen. so security for the maintenance actors and security for uh, the people of guys up,

we need to move freely to have access to a sense of service. this being said, what is needed to bring a minimum level off services and dignity. we stayed as far from this um, because the me t is about managing that know a lot of dead bodies. we need to give them a proper um, uh barrios and needs to focus on this. when it comes to to trucks, trucks, we'd not replace the hospital, those who have been damaged or destroyed with enough to replace the watts in network which was affected and we'd not replace the electricity infrastructure. so we need to acknowledge the improvement, but it can only be the beginning. uh earlier you mentioned what happened with world

central kitchen, for the benefit of the audience. april 1st was the david 7 aid workers from that non profit organization were killed by in is really air strike. benjamin netanyahu said that the attacks were an intentional, but he also said that quote, this happens in war time. but do you think a nut precautions were taken uh to protect workers or, or a better yet air precautions in general, sufficiently being taken to protect aid workers during this conflict. and i'm just looking at the figures, you know, and when i look at the figures of the number of you might tiring at those kids doing this wrong last throughout months. so biden's is just and comparable to what we seen in other places around the world. so i will not, you know, i, i don't have 1st time information. the minimum we can say is that considering the

level, the number of people killed, the level of destruction, the level of people displaced. the number of you might turn actors killed. is that for sure, the little of i'm conflict which protects all those people was not central or parties to this conflict. what are your thoughts on this specific dangers and aid workers are facing in this war? are they different then other conflicts? are they different than in other regions? yes, i think what makes guys a difference is that old guys a is a, was a back to the feet. okay. i mean a comparison. it's always difficult, but it's like, you know, working in a trench on the front line you might turn and act as don't do that. yeah, we don't, and you might, and civilians don't stay on the, about the feet. so the specificity of gas all is densely populated area,

but not really uh, where fighting is possible everywhere. and what population cannot leave the place and, and, and it's very, very unique. and that's why also as, as you may time actors, we are taking way more risks and then what you would taking any of the country around the was to be when i talked to my colleagues, i just seen him colleagues international stuff. the story i see here the motion is the 18 which they are is, is really unique. i, we use the word which i, i really don't like using when we speak about you made time action based, the concept of erupts. oh, when i think about a policy and stuff, when i think about the volunteers or the bi soon red crescent society, when i think about all the people who are trying to add others. and by the way,

that not, or you might find an actors to do that today in gaza. you are a special ed bus us, somebody was or something above average in terms of humanity, generosity, empathy, and courage, powerful words for somebody to thank you so much for joining us here on upfront. we really appreciate it. thank you very much for the interview so that it has been at war for nearly a year. finding begin in the capital of cartoon on april 15th last year. after growing tensions between military factions on one side, general active protest. as behind the head of the sudanese armed forces or f a f. when the other general mohammed him then delgado, also known as he met the leader of the r s. f. rapid support forces, a power military group. the jump ropes were previously allies involved in 2 proves

in 2019 a popular uprising that ousted long time dictator. i'm going to shoot and put into place a transitional government. they promised and eventually civilian lead, democracy and been in 2021. the military took control of the transitional government behind promised elections in 2023, but disagreement over the r. s. s. integration into the sudanese army sparked the civil war that has so far killed within 14000 people. within 10000000 people have fled their homes and making it the world's largest displacement crisis. it's also expected to be the world's worst holder prices, with a 3rd of the population facing acute food and security according to the united nations. so how does this end? and what can be done to help civilians caught in the crossfire. here to speak with us is former student needs investment to the united states. nadine set the n hold of head founder and director of confluence advisory assuming these think tank. i want to thank both of you for joining me on upfront invest that are set to im gonna start with you. you are part of that power sharing transitional government between

civilian groups and military groups that was formed after the 2019 coup uh after the 2021 military take over. i asked you on this very show. why are you allowed military leaders accuse of simon writes abuses to be part of the transitional government. and you said this to me. you said at certain moments in history. when you want to move forward, you have to compromise. now at that time, of course you had faith that civilian and military groups couldn't negotiate a deal that would lead to full civilian rule. how do you assess that, that faith now? well, thank you for having me. my system to see lots of, uh i see uh through the, the, the convenience that we signed to the ministry of the city. here's the shavings on both sides. the see responsible for what happened. and

of course the media in probably last so by the end of the day i still this doesn't work. i see a lot. that's the last time we met. i understand the need for a compromise and bass that are, but you put your faith into a very specific people to generals with a record of human rights abuses. do you regret putting your faith in those 2 people? but i, i see that's why you compromise such situations. you have to be very careful not to, i know enough space to get in agreement. so as to take the boxes you will be and you have to, uh, what's the good afternoon? a latency expedius. i need some of the additional numbers, you know, the one that you've signed an agreement that you are up to the task and that you don't have to be dusty and do the,

i don't know how you wait. and this is not an easy task. and, but that's where the suspicion that people have been, you know, facing 2 years ago about the situation facing in, uh who uh, the humanitarian situation was already bad in sudan before this war. but now it's deteriorating rapidly. it's become maybe the largest crisis in the world. uh, could you talk about what's going on on the ground right now in terms of the humanitarian situation and help us understand why it's gotten so bad as well as you say, you know, the infrastructure in sedan was poor to start off with before the war, even stopped and that's because proceeding the, well we had a crew and that's to vastly deteriorate to be the states capacity to provide services. and so when the war came was very easy to obliterate health services, education services and service provision in general. so we have even from the past

few months of the war, 80 percent of health services out of commission. and that number has only risen. we've had 19000000 children as announced by units of out of school. and that number has risen to we have numbers of people that are facing starvation, them the un puts us around 25000000, but that number is, is certainly to my mind, much, much great to. and we'll continue to grow if the next season of the next agricultural season fails. what we have at the moment is a conversation around you know, whether saddam has in signing or not. but simon is what happens when you are busy trying to find data to support it. there are other crises on top of the, the food in security issue. there are accounts of widespread sexual violence against women and children and targeted killings of non air of ethnic groups. both being sort of weaponized in this floor. uh, ceilings in the western region of the fort are in the center of the violence and of largely been taken over at this point by the r s f. 20 years ago. the r 4 became

synonymous with the genocide of the same ethnic groups being targeted now by the militias, that would later become the r s. f. back been the accusations of the food deprivation and other forms of a deprivation being used as a weapon of war leading to mass death. what do you say is the roots of this civil war? is what we're seeing now consistent with past conflicts? incident? yes, in many ways this conflict is an accumulation of the previous complex. it would never result. i'm actually at the sort of ethnic cleansing that we have seen is absolutely consistent with the um, of the hoops. you know, sort of what we've seen it with incident insistence of this very much an element of unfinished business here. but the leave of state and we'll have to remember that the r s f and south a both codified incident is low as a security oper. office, they both have been, you know, a sort of practicing the, the, the very well i think the sort of established ways of repression, ways of controlling the state to keep money. and results is within the hands of

very few security act as a investigator set. the another issue is lack of funds. the you in appeal for a to sudan is about 5 percent funded, give or take many or calling it a forgotten war. and the reason is because of this, a severe lack of international attention. why is it more being done? well, for example, is the israel guys award taking attention away from what's happening? and so that will be our main number, she said. and the reason um there is, uh, kind of a competition. no it, it seems seemingly between what's going on and what's going on in the lane on elsewhere and what's going on is and for various reasons isn't enough attention to what's going on. it's not. but i try to the answer to this pollution with the exception that those who does not seem

to be on the, on the higher prior to the international community. and i think this is a mistake. i want to get at the why of it. maybe you can help me understand, i mean, because you made a point in december, you wrote, the vicious, more being far in our country has been far from the attention of a distracted world. but you also said that this precedes october 7th, this precedes the most recent is really encouraging into guides. so what do you attribute this lack of international attention to? i mean, when we say, you know, lack of international efficiency, we have to desegregate that certainly in the region. we have seen that these in the policy space, a lot of attention onto them. whereas in the west, we haven't seen the requisite level of policy, essentially on media attention, and the to often go hand in hand as you know on the, on a piece likes to them. but this is part of a, the sort of a broad, a trend. what events and the horn of africa had been sort of outsourced by the west

to what we call middle powers in the region. so the saudi arabia, the united, our memories, guitar, etc. and so right now is a gates in the west to cool back. some of the influence from some of these middle powers has been, has been quite difficult. and often times when you have conversations with different on some of the west, you know, they, they referenced the fact that they cost actually hold. some of these are countries, particularly the united arab emirates, to account in terms of the role of staying in this world, particularly with the very well reported and well documented claims that it's supporting and financing and, and so i'm in the rapid support forces. so this is the dr position that we live in . right now. we are surrounded by country that have a lot of influence of what goes on in the country, but they don't want civilian democratic dispensation incident. and that's why we get these was effectively continuing to be prosecuted by their allies in the country in bass. i want to ask this to you. russia's wagner group has reportedly armed the r s f u, a has deep ties to the r s f,

and has also been accused of sending weapons. a saudi arabia, on the other hand, diplomatically backs and behind and is working with the us to try to broker a ceasefire deal of egypt. your neighbor, which is also involved in the mediation efforts, supports the sudanese army as well. how does this web of kind of foreign meddling complicate any efforts towards diplomacy? and how do we prevent a stable sedan? leasing of course. absolutely, yes, it is a occlusal one soon. what to be is that goose flows. we know they are rooted, which is most start to promote stuff in the or the extent of city is you went to the assistance of the, the, the cost function should. uh they some of them have a made the initially. so the question, yes, that'd be navigation. that'd be in

a position. be something, give you the facts about, about what you have guessing. but finally, you're seeing in the last few months of stuff leaving 2 weeks. this seems to the units in this uh you are a part of the the pro civilian coalition laid by a former student east, prime minister, abdullah from book. and you will have been working to get a deal with both sides to stop the war and to begin the process of transitioning to a civilian laid government. now in december, your group met with our s f and you signed a piece agreement. the address about declaration and that declaration outlined a path out of the conflict and towards a democratic student. the student is military criticized as meeting, but pro democracy support is also criticized that they say that it shows to cut them is sympathetic to the r s f and will accommodate the r s f r u and civilian leaders suggesting coexistence with the r s f i mean,

what role do you imagine the are as the playing incidents future really seeing the the, the, the future the there is no doubt that it is a state truancy that has to be the cause that has to be taken into the solution. the claim that the reason that i'm switching to see if all my stuff is on the gland, they have to be able to see that accumulated as well. the case about issues with my vision issues of being next time will that, but that will be the right thing. you know, that, you know, move themselves here. you go last size clear the sunday night looking to bring me in. you know, you mean that's one capital that helps. yes. so the how the, how they think i might be excluding. what's your take on this for me it's, it's, it's pretty obvious, you know, i'm the, the,

the revolution which is really always been on the side right. side of history um once uh, close to 2 things, one for the army to return to the barracks and be out of sydney's politics and to for the are assessed to be dissolved. now obviously that's quite difficult to achieve right now, but i think that the central permanency here is that if the are assessed indeed have the constituency and potentially could claim that it have. does a constituent, one to be represented by a power ministry group that has exercise levels of violence? we haven't seen for some time and sit down and, and even if it wants to practice politics and why not practice, civilian and politics quite clearly. everything that has happened since april of last year, at least, if not, what has happened in the past 5 years. um, at the hands of yours, that tells us that the not the kind of people you can do business with. if you want to staples of and in democratic sit on investor, i mean, this is an interesting point. i mean, it seems pretty clear that the r s f o n, yes i for that matter have no interest in protecting sydney civilians. they have no interest in transitioning to a civilian led government even before the civil war. they were working together to

bind at least the press peaceable pro democracy protest. and they ultimately refused to give a power. so it seems to me that it would be unreasonable to expect either side to play any significant role in allowing for civilian rule when they've been so firmly and demonstrably committed to undermining civilian rule for all this time. what do you say to that? oh yes, even uh, you know, since we know the, the complex situation. but as i said the yeah, the best on the suit videos themselves, how they play their, their costs and the impulse assumption of these kind of situation. so now we need to continue to see together the official cohesion. we need to grow. so the, the really saying i was laughing enough when i and they said that they don't get to the, the, but of course it cannot be the and the issue that have been on the

line on highlighting since the beginning how low cost is actually the need to really be supporting democracy that, that i've seen again. and i think at the end of the vision on this stuff because the situation for kings, the use of the what comes in going to be 2 months and we've had multiple fail ceasefire negotiations. hold. what does it take to get to a permanent ceasefire? to frankly, leverage this, we can at least get the 2 main elements of this the, our assessment staff to, um, not have access to the money that they have to not be able to buy weapons into the same degree and forced them to come to the, to the table and not from its position of strength, but a position of weakness. then maybe we can e caught some of those compromises that we have been that have been sort of absent, especially on transitional justice, especially on accountability. because really, this whole started because neither of these 2 groups have ever faced any kind of

accountability for stealing from the state caf as but some from killing people from the decades of refreshing, that they haven't beat it out on the sudden these people invested and know nadine, set the whole world ahead and thank you both for joining me on upfront. excellent. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back. the one of the biggest selections of 2020 pools in the general election will administer now render moody's b t p. increase it through the across the country. how will economic uncertainty and you've some employment suede boots as in key states and will the media be able to cover the vote, reading and fairly ongoing coverage the in the as an actions on out there in the

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