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as a journalist and from the critic of june, is in present case side has been sentenced to 6 months in prison. and the book allowed was charged with insulting a public official. the country's national union for john le says his arrest and conviction is aimed at financing a free press. police and canada have arrested 6 people in connection with a gold heist at toronto airport last year. so i'm a $16000000.00 worth of gold and cash was driven off and one of the biggest properties in the country is history of the 400 kilograms of gold stolen or need one has been recovered to meet you met with and co reports ocean's 11 each your hot out, unlike the hollywood movie crew, these thieves didn't need explosives, hacking or an acrobat, just a forklift, a truck and some forged paper, work for a huge take. the gold was validated approximately $20000000.00, canadian, based on current market value. the storm bank notes are in foreign currency in
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various denominations, amounting to a value of roughly $2500000.00 canadian dollars. 400 kilos of gold bars and millions and currency was flown to toronto from switzerland. the suspects used a forced air waybill to collect the valuables and drive away a year later. police have found only one kilo of gold. the $90000.00 worth of pure gold was recovered. uh, it was crudely fashioned in the form of bangles, and that sits as we've recovered thus far. police believe the rest of the gold and cash we used to buy illegal filings investigative. say it was an inside job of the 6 arrest that suspects. one wasn't canada employee, 3 suspects remain on the run off the one of the biggest and easiest heis in history to meet you man, and then go out to 0, a full kind of corruption in northern indonesia,
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i have forced thousands of people to leave their homes non true on 1st don't and spewing ash and smoke on tuesday, and then rusted 4 times on wednesday when other apples in the capital of north to the waste. the province has also been close to protect against showers of ash ex. that's fear. that part of the volcano could collapse into the sea and cause the through nami, a lot set for me and the stars here today, you can always find much more analogies, era dot com. they'll be more news for you here off to the bottom line with somebody said on, and i will see the one of the biggest selections of 2024 in the general election will administer now render moody's be taking increase its route across the country. how will economic uncertainty and you've sent employment sway voters in key states and will
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the media be able to cover the vote, reading unfairly ongoing coverage, but in the as elections on out as the era a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. isn't arms embargo and sanctions on israel? the only way to prevent a genocide in gaza, let's get to the bottom line. the after half a year of continuous bombing is really me to say they are still far from stopping the war and gaza. israel's allies say it's a legitimate war because israel space is a threat from hamas and is acting in self defense. but international law experts say something different. they say nothing justifies what's been going on. whether it's israel's killing of so many innocent people, it's use of food as a weapon of war or the destination of all civilian life and gaza. no schools, no homes, and so no hospitals. so what can be done to stop the death and destruction and what damage is being done to the credibility and legitimacy of international law itself
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. the longer this work goes on today we're talking with francesca alban a say, the un special rapids or on the situation of human rights in the palestinian territory occupied since 1967 francesca. thank you so much for joining us today. i am looking forward to this conversation. look, you are recently presenting your report at the un human rights council. and you stated that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide has been met. and you called for an arms embargo on israel. can you go into greater detail about what that threshold is? absolutely, and thanks for having me. i've been in the study what has happened in gaza into gaza for the past 5 months or 5 months. and i didn't start this investigation thinking that i would conclude that israel has committed the crime of genocide or acts of genocide which eventually i couldn't
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do otherwise. he goes for civil. i've studied the fact that is really forces have committed mosque evening mosley infliction of the physical and boldly harm where it extend prevention of this and the creation of pollution steps would lead to no other outcome. the destruction invest in the english to be good to civil life in gossip and dice, and which in all these goes to jude the genocide of ox is supported by you tend to destroy the people in the in fluid part and a phone dissing 10. no telling me as it had already been on the documented by the stop stop because he got a team of the board, the international court of justice
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a couple of months ago. uh, through the order of statements that had been made by people with commander for a nice strong political and meeting the leaders, but also emerging from the conduct of soldiers on the ground who had internalized of sold and acted upon those words. those orders uh like the cool that they give. okay. should obama lack cool? am i like this guy? destroyed all the comic and including women and children or there are no waiting us in the building dock. oh, we have to where i the key to everyone who's i'm us and eventually no, no one is in the center. this was the reserves or he did the other day. i actions old soldiers, infantry on the ground. those who have learned and destroyed is that is that the guys asked to be getting for structure. um,
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but what is the most important finding in my board is what i called the your money dot income flash of is rose genocide. the logic, i argue that east has not the night will, the, will these, the community and get into my destruction because just justified as equals alliance with the international you money tiny little. for example, the use of human shields. israel has used the human shoes as a, as a concept that can be expanded. i didn't see need to. so any one was that was that was considered a human shields. but this has been done by, he's running previous words in 2008 doesn't. what doesn't put the 2020 to 2026. any that's being demonstrated, either a fabrication or an excuse and the sun was no different. every time the, the national you may dial, know the concept of human. she's the use is to begin, let's face it, you know,
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as the buying power. you kind of us boxing go the deal every one and say, well, the way you and shields, cuz it's also mirrored by the crowns. and neither you my design concept. she's collateral down much international you wanting to know is not this project if it does routine is just to let to, to, to prevent the most violent defects of war and protect those who are not involved in conflict, which is not spared any one in discovering the patient, right, who's going to quote anything that's being could see the clock, the hutch and also evaluation orders, safe zones warning. so all of these language has been used to come flash the genocide of the logic of the destruction 50. so that has led to this page to francesca. what does it say about the state and the solvency of international law? today? i am very impressed that you presented your report,
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that you've had both critics, particularly the us state department, but also those that have applauded your bravery at this moment. but do you believe that your findings will be act up? acted upon that you believe that the mechanisms within the united nations and within the institutions of international law are going to create real penalties for is real right now, or is this any road where we see any rose and of international law by the failure to act there is no question that we also see a new version of the capacity or international to be in forced. um, i often say some that true that international law without the this trends of political will is uh, like the letter. but politics that, um, freedom says this from the need tend to go straight to the international law. the can be criminal and this is within today. so there is an erosion. and all the
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international law says the multilateral system that does not allow me to, to have any, any realistic for cost because i do see the impact of my work and my record. look, let's look at this genocide, the anatomy of a genocide report. on a few days after i presented the report of the members of the human rights comes to pass the resolution. and i've come to be that inserted specific language that i address and that is an arrow symbolical, uh, on a 0. no, no, no, yes. uh who's going to enforce that? it mean it is. it is important at the top of those 9. ready that there's also being a resolution of the security council asking for as his fire or beans, several provisional measures recommended by the international court of justice in
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those collision. i measure so i can possibly are binding on every watch. so the fact of the neglect in eastern regarding or over to evaluating international law, only we can specifically because it's presidents for, for others to really get what culpability do nations have that supply is real with the weapons, it's using slippery has a report out saying that basically over the last decade or so, germany so supplied almost 30 percent of israel's weapons. united states about 66 percent of israel's weapons. what's your view about that? the culpability of other parties in this um, well the book just says, oh, the complexities there because the genocide convention is very dear. he beats any
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form of the aiding and abetting of the conduct of said that might be committing genocide to providing the weapons that likely to be used in, in the car in to see reduce the threat. so you can to genocide there might be seen as consistency the moment that it's key or that there is this rece, there is the i c, j, a telling state excuse me to they go measures uh possible steps to make sure that the general side is prevented. matoney those measures are no thinking but also the steps to continue to view will. ready inside those boxes are taken. well, i think that you need to 80 today. i suppose this is all complete to the to be very, very real. i guess it makes me ask the question about how, how jaded we have become to these kinds of conflicts and to the moral questions
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involved. and you've been in the middle of a storm. but i'd be interested in your perspective on the rest of us that are watching this and what our responsibility is to better document and highlight these moral moments. not just when a celebrity ships, workers are killed, but everyone else that's killed and has been dying along the way. a look. i mean, the king of all the 7 age workers of the darkness. c. v. surely a tragedy. there is no. any crime. there's no question about this, but it's a, somebody in fossil of, of the very complex in created criminal seeing which i couldn't describe otherwise . and then, and in general side uh, in the men said we'd mother mean settings up methods or was there. so
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it's interesting that the fox o, but as being international here, the room just pension back on the unit and no one is safe things outside including you. money, not even workers. there are all there 190. you might, i am workers with you guys off in the past 6 months alone, 175 of them are. you had some members to and the pumps and then there are no many foreigners there us created this sort of on the bottom. you haven't seen any these are obviously yeah, but they're kind of stands academics, lawyers, human rights defenders, jordan and assigned to 13000 and change it. i mean, it's the, it's so blue telling simone's true, said i, i really, i mean, not probably a given to 100 interviews by now in the studio every time i've, i see how many children have died in the scar need something it's, i need the brakes because the normal should, oh, we don't get to,
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we mean some of us don't get used to these, but i do recognize this one's gonna be mobile is some of which sits the sorry, this is because we are, we have the privilege to time it and, and it doesn't match us, which speaks of our humanity because, you know, i mean i, i lose so instead of just a moment where i knew i should either way under the big over 0 please. the legend their own comfort so that someone else doesn't have to renounce it. all, and we are still, we are still there with these, so we'd be spy. it's a central size. it's also a month. you're a real expert on genocides and have studied other genocides as we know from report bosnia in the 1990 is the wrong thing. yeah. in myanmar i'm reminded that 30 years ago about 30 years ago, the rwanda genocide against truancies took place. and when you go, when i've looked into the rwanda genocide,
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i was surprised that the systematic planning that had previously occurred before that date on april 7th. when that started, and then i was disturbed greatly by the slowness of global reaction, a bureaucratic reaction and even at the united nations with united nations, had been been warned, and told in advance of what was happening. un gave instructions not to do anything . i'm interested in that element of how this particular act in is real, gaza compares to those it does indeed does know in the sense that of the many respect i've learned it through the past mom. so, so digging into a genocidal or a genocide related lead. sure. of that genocide is never come so sunny that you never it so it's an insult to now it's a process. so it's not just the act of cheating,
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the act of killing gaming to destroy a population. and there we're riding on the walls, so to speak, in the case. so the relationship between each running the policy continues respect, probably it's not different for delivery. we'll see you on a nation, the rule that as and for me to the political spear and then the kind did all that the media as lead to is significant in for training or given narrative. but here are the districts. i mean, this general side us the legal 0. so i think that's obviously said is the 1st that is documented by the seats and each group asked, it didn't be all the time. it is quite unique. so there was not the month delay. ready between your current and so the general side and the and the act of the realization of each of the level of public opinion. so it's yes,
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what do you said it should be when we're unable to prevent the genocide? in rwanda, there you, when we're unable to prevent the jones, i pretty much everywhere including the in the, in myanmar ending both 00. be now the meaning of the have another cases but not, not this one for sure. and um, what is shocking is that in dispatch would be our case that i've seen that there's been a cation of, is re, these political rectory. justification of the word is essential that represented by the body as being is the being the fact that this was, it has to send music. i thought, well, i mean the, sometimes you something that you sent a message, but they don't think that the hatred, the ma might have few were. the effects of issues writing cv is generated by up to some it is, there is no evidence. so we rather, there is evidence of the country that they have reacted against israel as little to
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buying power and as an upper side state, which doesn't justify the crimes of course, but understands the call of hips understandable. the and so, and there is be also a role of western media in sort of sizing the language and still keep on doing that with the, the dc 1000 policy and q $72000.00 missing probably are then under durable this, you know, talk to the people talking, oh, find main, moving on god. so when this is a man made starvation, it's intentional because the and so every become faster fee as a, as in sort of and those are in, in jobs off. and there is not enough integrity and more cool world storage. so the nonsense to the state department? yeah. space department, smoothman. matthew miller kind of attacked you and said,
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united states did not support your appointment, said that you characterize some of your comments as a anti semitic. in this, i've been trying to sort of navigate what is a more constructive stance and engagement strategy for the united states and this then what we've been seeing and what you do given the kind of statements that we heard from matt miller about your work. yep. i found, i found the us spokesperson comments about me. so obviously predictable for someone who doesn't have arguments. and even these, you know, is the body language was selling? i don't know what to say, so let me blame her because it's silver convenience. this is our red, it's and so, i mean, he's been, he's been driving, he's been completely lambasted in social media. he's received the letters in the request for for resignation by many to read, including authority off,
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sorry that the reading to maxwell into scanners. and so, you know, it speaks for itself and is the usual the usual read 3 all but throwing delegations onto them. it isn't as anyone who there's 3 designs, these are a practices or do i have the time to engage with the signs of the behavior? no, i don't at the same time at the same time, the fact that he asked for my for my us of the show by the way it will be shall go to them. it was providing whitford since probably going to be found on police. it's, you know, trusted the primes, you know, to know, who knows. but the fact that such a statement comes from my us will be show, is this packaging because he has no idea of depression. clearly he has no idea of the pressure that this money is on there also because of the lies for billed by
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people like he and um in i have no means really no means to make sure that every everything is controlled because what can i, what can i do to protect myself, the number of steps, the number of a taxi b c has increased. how do i navigate what the city is from? what is ne, take one insane person to activate that, to make any sense of defense, whiskers, of people from an a central grants that might be identified in me. you see what i mean? right? so well, let me ask you, finally, one of the other things we saw was after concern that a few employees had been complicit with from us in on rush and, and the united states and many other nation suspended support in law. and for those who don't know and right has this incredibly large footprint in social services
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throughout palestine and in other parts of the region as well as supporting refugees and in jordan and syria, etc. and i'm interested in whether the failure of the united states in germany, in particular, to reverse their views on your own. right. which is, which is i look at, it's gotta be a vital part of like that, that the next palestine, whatever it is, how you see that at the moment, many of the european nations that originally joined, that boy caught, have since reversed themselves. and i'm interested in from an, again, an international law perspective. is there some complicity or some crime in not supporting the you and institution inactivity that delivers most aid sustenance, medical supplies, schooling, et cetera. you name it within palestine. hm. yeah, i think there is, uh, there is margin to um, investigate of the city of but sold the responsibility will be throw in uh,
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trying to destroy henri, which is the only agency, was the capacity to the lever. a, you know, sort of organized manner in today offered simplification, godsa. the reason why w a c k was very, very important from the c is. why don't the effects of these drugs continues to attack on a box on the on, on law, which has to be non p 5 design manager states was you responsibly suspended their funding of ages of the, the, their funding to the agency on the basis of allegations from the states has a track record of lies after nice, often nice. but even if the a negation square law had already terminated to staff members against due process
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just to protect the condition of the agency. but what was the responsibility of the agency? why she would have the agency. why should have the agency responded all the ok, so oh, some individuals where was the count? how to do next? so it was, it was completely nonsense ago, i need to respond to people the more as this decision to suspend the, from the to i was thinking today after her, the international court of justice and the issue. these are the 9 distribution on measures asking for on the 5th or do you mind, are you an age which today would only be delivered by on russell yes, of course the where someone from pc. well this and this has been a sobering conversation, but we'll have to leave it there. francesca alban easy un special wrap our tour on the situation of human rights in the palestinian territory occupied since 1967.
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thank you for sharing your thoughts with us today. thank you. so what's the bottom line? i need to admit that when it comes to the gaza strip, the bottom line is increasingly just difficult to see on the surface, israel seems willing to continue this war and has enough support to brush off calls for a cease fire. the destruction of massive amounts of causes, educational institutions. it's health care system. it's private businesses, culture and residential life. just don't align with the stated objective of just going after hom, us under us pressure that finally seem to click in israel is letting in more a trucks. but it's clearly not doing so because the international court of justice warrant that it shouldn't do so. and should do so immediately, back in january. none of the major factors that have led to the killing of 33000 palestinians, a massive proportion of whom are innocent children, women, and men are changed. there are no red lines, and morality is a factor. the bottom line is that there is no bottom line until israel's onslaught
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