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cost on al jazeera, the united states has long been a steadfast supporter of israel. but controlling criticism of president biden's handling of does it turn the tide and our fears of a wider war, shifting attention away from israel's continued assault on the palestinian. we'll ask the renown economists and director of columbia university center for sustainable development is weeks headliner. jeffrey sachs, the perfect, thank you so much for joining us upfront. great to be with you. on april, 13th, you're on launched more than $300.00 drones and missiles towards israel following a deadly is really attack on the iranian consulate in damascus. is the 1st time iran has directly attacked israel, while israel's weighing how it's going to respond to around the attack and global leaders at the same time saying, hey, you need some restraint here. the us said that it wants to see these tensions deescalate and then it wouldn't join is really in any military retaliation against
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the one question. for me is the us doing enough though to restrain israel? probably not at some level. i think israel will do something. i it won't be helpful to anything. israel started this round of an escalation with the attack on the diplomatic compound in damascus. pretty brazen i. i'd say more than pretty brace and very praise, and i rather are illegal. contrary to what did you need, but conventions on attacking diplomatic sites, a clear escalation. and i think clearly intended to pull the usaa into a war with iran, which is probably netanyahu's green. i don't think that's going to work. it's a terrible idea. terrible for israel, i a terrible for the united states and used to be pretty unequivocal about that by
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the said, we're not getting pulled into a military right. and that yahoo, a seems to think that he really wrong this, the us government and sometimes the wrong exactly. sometimes it feels that way, so he doesn't pay by and i at the face value in that sense a he thinks he can manipulate things or force the hand of the united states or get the us to come neatly behind the what israel says, because after all of the us keep saying no red lines while you're in clad commitment and all the rest on. but it's been clear, this is not what the us should do and what it wants to do, but not in. yeah. who was provoking, i do think i again though there are some serious on certain things about what really happened with the rainy and attack. it seems more likely than not that there was some pretty bad news for israel in that several. i apparently hypersonic
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missiles got through and hit their targets. that's gotta be absolutely alarming for israel. so i think purely on a military calculation. this was not a good week for israel and also terms of the perception of israel pride october 7th . there was an idea that they were almost impenetrable, at least at home. and now the fact that from asked was able to sort of successfully breach the borders. the fact that, you know, we see things going on all around the globe, but mix is real look weak. does that provoke israel to engage in more aggressive activity? right. i think it has deeply called into question the, the strategy and the tactics of this particular cabinet. this is a extremist nationalist, is rarely cabinet. the most extreme is in history. it does believe in a greater israel. it does believe the permanent apartheid or worse ethnic cleansing or what whatever is needed for israel to keep its control and to prevent
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a palestinian state. and what is happening is that fundamentally the world does not support that agenda. the world, even the united states. and i would say the american public is pretty a gas to what they've seen and even the political class of the us, which is absolutely good. typically a 100 percent behind israel is so shocked and not going down that line. so israel's so got itself into a terrible mass because of its extremism. doesn't know what to do. now, who's normal? modus operandi is a, when you are in a mass escalade. uh and uh that i think is still probably odds on to what they'll try to do that the us is historically taking a very aggressive stance toward iran, including pulling out of the iran deal in 2014 and for decades. even post economic sanctions on the multiple prizes with more announced after the attack over the
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weekend. the us as also allied with israel and air of countries like the u. a. e. jordan, saudi arabia, all against iran. has us policy in the middle east enabled the possibility of a wider war? well, i think the 1st point, the most decisive thing that's happened a piece of the iran is the ron and the kingdom of saudi arabia. of had a wrapper, a flock, they're going to be together. it seems in the brakes. i in this in large grouping, although without the rape it's not 100 percent clear that that's the case. but definitely there has been a diplomatic reconciliation of sorts. israel's war in gaza, which has been so much more shocking and devastating than people i would have imagined. i have really pushed a the ron and the airbag world closer together not farther apart
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despite what israel hopes and what us strategy has been. so i don't think that the us and israel can maintain any kind of a coalition with the major error countries against iran at the, at this moment. israel is making that absolutely impossible because of the israel's extremism that puts the us in the back foot. visa, the china, for example, which has been diplomatically, extremely successful in the middle east. it was interesting in the un security council session after the rainy and attack, you also heard, or even from an american allies as close as korea some but words of caution against the israel. i that you would not normally have heard. i
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korea depends on the middle east for its energy. it does not want this thing to explode. so i think at the core of this is a failed. is railey political strategy, not a failed us middle east policy over decades. well, more fundamentally, absolutely, the u. s. has enabled a failed is regularly strategy a terrible one. so why do completely agree that i that the u. s. policy in the middle east is failing terribly. it's leading to wider war, even if the us wants to restrain that it's not restraining the why, the war. why? because at the crux of this conflict is an on the south political problem with israel and palestine that absolutely needs to be solved. and all of the anti rainy and dimensions have, but a very large source in the palestine is real conflict. after all,
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there is no intrinsic reason why iran would be the great the enemy of the united states, even with all the history, the west has a lot to apologize for to arrive and starting in 1953 with the over throw the democratic government and the installation of a police state after all. so there could have been a rat pro schwab between the us and iran. i've always wanted that i thought the why should have signed the j c p a way and implemented it. and of course i that it was subverted by trump. i biden was weak as he has been in so many areas of not bringing that back to life by has been weak in allowing netanyahu to continue his extremist agenda. and here we are with massive failures building up, not just in the middle east, but we have crises all over the world. and i would say it's because
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u. s. foreign policy is out of date, outmoded and with weak leadership. you talked about this sort of enduring problem in the middle east, specifically in israel palestine. there's been a lot of renewed interest in israel palestine specifically around the so called to state solutions. the us, as always said, they've supported the 2 state solution, whatever that might mean them. and they have always articulated that as a kind of past way towards the house to the instate who they want israel and palestine to negotiate directly in the, in this regard. and that's an a us position. you know, i'm not sure how buyable it possible that it, well, you know, my, my, my thought is a, okay, yeah, there's been negotiations now for decades. we're done with that phase. now we implemented the 2 state solution. it's meant and it's been clear all the way back to the 6 day war, 1967, what the outcome has to be, which is a state of palestine on the pre war borders and the state of israel. and they're
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living side by side. they may not like each other, maybe there's a barrier between them. but there are 2 states, and this has been clear for 57 years. and us say push back on it for 2 reasons. one, this has to be a growing sense in the global community and certainly among palestinian civil society. they got some states which is actually not the only undesirable but non viable, right? because of settlement expansion because of the israel refusal to span down on this claim of greater israel. all of it is ours. but really there's a one state reality that can only be repaired with a one state solution, a single secular democratic state. yeah, i think that right now there is an over whelming sentiment in the world to implement the 2 state solution which has been on the table and is embodied in probably dozens of new in general assembly and security council resolutions over many, many decades on both sides of this divide, which is a terrible,
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brutal divide. there is a one state solution, of course, many in palestine say one state to palestinian the dougherty and that's it. i. and these rarely side, we know this current government has for one state. i completely a in israel dominated state. my view is that practically speaking, these 2 sides do not get along and there may be in future generation some day they will get along. but for the moment the right answer is the one that has been embodied in resolution after resolution, but never enforced. and i agree were coming to the end of that road. the un security council is getting ready for a vote right on palestinian membership in the you when based on the 2 state solution. what does that mean? talk about what that means as a practical matter perhaps of recognition. yeah,
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palestine is a state member that would be the dominant. it'd be phenomenal. yeah. would you still have mentioned yahoo? who's saying perhaps as a pretext? yes. what that post october 7th, we can, we can't even have a conversation about a 2 state solution, but a permanent durable solution has been clued. israel having security control over gaza and over the westbank. yeah. if that's the case, and is this all just for nothing? no, because i don't think that you know, with the final word and it's, i think the world community has the final word. and if we find, as i believe to be the case that there is an absolutely over whelming global sentiment. this war has to stop. israel has to stop killing the people of god. so the 2 sides do not have to trust each other. love each other, like each other even tolerate each other, but they have to co exist side by side without the killing. i think that this means the same thing that yahoo and this extreme is government, if you can implement that's going to be
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a different one and onboard. but this is the will of the international community under the when charter. and that i believe the finding you enjoyed a very persuasive. yes. but it's real. it depends entirely on the west backend to repudiate the un charter. so that's the point that i that i just said, i want to drill down guys a little bit. it seems to me that it's far more important for the united states to assert its power then for the international community. israel says hate i c j. we don't care either correct. we don't care to leave a convention, not so important with a bite and makes that call and says, hey, no more money. i have no more vetoes and i, i would put even more explicitly just no more bombs. but fair enough, you can't fight tomorrow without our new nations, which is literally the case. so i think that's right. the new west will not do that just on its own by saying, oh, it would be nice to have a 2 state solution. it will not do that. on the other hand,
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if the over whelming global majority says that's the right way. then the u. s. has a different choice. i was, i mean for the less deputies hasn't the global community effectively spoken out against the settlement in the west bank effectively and said that funding for interest should be conditional upon human rights abuse is going away. but we still see the siege and guys, yes. the investor committees that hasn't been unclear about this. now. i agree. it has not been unclear. and the u. s. has been temper rising, protecting israel, and the lang up until now. now we have and i believe the genocide underweight. i think it is absolutely a disaster. and i think the world community is more alarmed and more shocked and more saying if we are anything as a world community, we have to implement what we've said. in example, the vote on membership is
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a vote that should have happened 13 years ago. absolutely. because this was an application by the palestinian authority in 2011 for membership. when you make that application, it goes to a in admissions committee, new members committee, which is constituted by the un security council. they did all the work. they said palestine qualifies the us blocked it and the us blocked. it's saying, it's not quite right right now. not quite the time, but do take observer status. that's pretty good and soon enough you'll be a member. now were 13 years later, there is a genocide underway in gaza. there is the risk of a wider war. it's true, you could say, well, mister sax wasn't all of this truth. 13 years ago, i would say yes, it was true 13 years ago. but 13 years later, the dangers to the home world are much greater and it prevarication. so the united states are so much more evident as well. so to my mind,
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i want to give another push. okay, united states, you said back in 2011. what's gonna happen and quickly? we're farther and farther away because you have backed something that is against international law. you have cited repeatedly on the ground with israel, even though it's direct violation of the un security council resolutions. i want to push so that we actually lives like responsible grow helps. it's saying what we say we do, we have international law, we apply it, and i think this is a moment. if again it fails and fails, well, you are absolutely right. this will go down in history as a, a, a disaster and be, is he a long period of hypocrisy of shocking dimension? and to see somebody all have to come up in the next generation with different
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answers. but right now we have an answer that is viable, workable, practicable. and the question is for the united states, are you going to apply what the whole world says is needed? and what the us itself says is needed? or are you going to continue to take it? my basic argument to the us is it's no good for the west, but it's also no good for israel. israel's legitimacy is, by all of this, you go around the world as i do all the time. people are a gas that what is real is doing, and young people around the world are saying, what the heck is this? this is this, this, this kind of government has no legitimacy at all. and so is real, needs to change for its own survival. this my own view, that's an excellent question. uh that you raise, you know, is it time for biting and maybe other us politicians to change course. i mean,
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there's a way that by the simply following the course of every presidential candidate as follows, you stand with israel, there's no daylight. that's. there's nothing between a, between us. but now there's a generation of folders that are looking at this differently. since i would say since operates in cash, but certainly since protective age, people have said wait a minute, that's a lot of killing. that's not a death. you're absolutely right. this is the 1st time that the american public has really focused on this in a very long time and what they're saying they don't like. and the politicians are shocked. yeah, good politicians don't like kind of hanging out where the public isn't yet, but they've been so trained a guy like by me this is decades never show any day like between the middle isn't the 1st rule. yeah. not a word. not a peep, and he's pretty much sticking to bad except for we hear the gossip of what he calls that yahoo, etc, etc. but at least we, i called those presently. but on,
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on the public pronouncements it's, it's the old school now. if 5 is not old school, one is even is completely old school. but what shocking for them is it doesn't play . it may play with some big donors, but it's not playing with the public. and they got of worried about the public. after all, at some point, what the public things matters in this country, especially in a november election. absolutely talk to me about the short term. we understand the kind of long term goals around statehood around kind of creating a kind of a global piece of put in the short term. people are dying and people are really starving. how do we get to a ceasefire right now? and the reason we don't have a ceasefire right now is actually the long term, strangely enough, there's no, any point even to green. that's why they is real. won't even agree to
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a permanent ceasefire. uh, it says may be the ceasefire for 3 weeks or 6 weeks, a mouse as well. that just means they're gonna come back and slaughter us 6 weeks from now. why doesn't israel agree to something longer? because then people ask for what is longer, and when israel says, well, we're in control, no, no, that can't be longer. and that's, that's not an answer. so you have to have a point on the horizon where you're heading. that's why i want to clarify that by saying 2 state solution, palestine member of the united nations, we know where we're heading. there are a lot of details to work out and implementation, but we know where we're heading, so we're not arguing be about that anymore. it's, it's not what you care. what do you say? what smoke for? it says what ben chavira says about 2 states, one state 3 states, great, or israel, that's done the world spoke. and we know where we're going. now we have to stop the fighting to my mind that will become absolutely directly more clear once
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that direction is settled. so i see it actually that it many times of evil. you want to start your hike up the mountain. yeah. and how, where we're heading. so you know what path you're going to follow once palestine is voted in, i hope this week i hope, really hope the united states does not block this again because it would block standing against the entire world or maybe political suicide for by that i think it would be and so i'm hoping they have enough sense. of course, these are 5 steps. i need to recalibrate every every day ever learned in politics. but they need to get this right then. okay, what's the point of the war anymore? because now we have palestine entering the un. by the way, the clause is as a peace loving nation, you have to accept the un charter. you enter as a peace loving nation. that actually means something. it means that all of the
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countries in the region are oriented towards israel security as well as the palestinian state security. so everybody has to take practical steps. as soon as that happens, the saudis, you a caught our egypt, jordan and israel and the united states, all the rest. ok, we have to stop the arms flows, we have to stop the killing. we have to start with the emergency i, i services. so once again, we have a, probably a 1000000 people on the brink of starvation right now. so there needs to be massive, massive infusions of emergency food aid. of course, this could start immediately if there is a political framework. there is not going to be a political framework on a process in which it's surely not. this is rarely government, but i don't think any is really government in the near future is going to quote
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a goal she is. but the world can say, this is international law, this is how it's going to be. i stop your dreams of grader is real. we're moving to the 2 state solution to that point. i would ask you to pull out your crystal ball for a moment. if the global pressure mounts the way you're describing, do you see us as well? relations change and you see us policy toward israel fundamentally shifting or fundamentally it has to shift because it can give a blank check. the current policy is israel. you tell us what you want, we stand with you, iron clad and ship the money your way. that's an impossible policy. all you do if you're a big power like the united states and you tell it another country that's dependent on you, you chose everything. all you do was invite the craziest kind of crazy
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is kind of extremism because they say we got the us. so we manipulate the u. s. b, b, things the wrong has been us. and did you know, as we said, he's got some evidence on his side. up until now, do you want us to put some clear markers on this? we have a policy, we don't want to divide with the rest of the world. we don't want it to be 2 countries, israel and the united states against the other $191.00 countries. we have some basic standards based on the un charter. once israel here is that things will change, but that's a big change from now because the current policy is israel. you tell us what you need or what you want. we back to if it's expect somebody to join men upfront, great. the god promised abraham. this is the land that is going to belong to you and to your
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