is to thank for that to bring us into that new moment. okay, by now if you hang on there, if you can for us to time, and we just want to speak to a correspondent who is on this a note with an uncommon things just outside, gonna speak to rob rentals, who joins us from a u. c. l, a campus in the scientist and say not inside the incumbents a robot seem as if in a small way, the police are beginning to make them move. we're seeing pictures of very small scuffles taking place, but it's a certainly a lot of movement and all the vegetation definitely a lot of movement, large numbers of police are moving. some of these of the folks that you see around me who are here in support of the student protesters inside the encampment. they've been moving them not in this particular, but monitoring some areas of footage. we seem to be shoved from the, the, the flags if you were of the, in camp an area and were monitoring

a telegraph feed coming out of the encampment, which indicates that yes, police and we believe those are california highway patrol officers have gained entry to the champ, um the, as you, as you indicated, perhaps not in massive numbers, but they, they appear to be inside to some degree. the protesters are also calling on their various social media feeds for more supplies, telling people to go to be sure, and monitor all the areas around the perimeter so that they don't become distracted by one police feeds and then police move in in another area. so it's a very dynamic and fluid situation right now, and you can hear the behind me the, the crowd chanting. and just a few more minutes ago, really, there was a,

what sounded a lot like a police. uh, uh, a, an explosive device going off called a flash bang, it's a harmless explosive, but it makes a very loud noise. so we heard that and that kind of set a ripple through the proud gear outside the encampment. it certainly seems as if the police are at being very cautious and how they approach this is the main because they certainly have to be very careful how they take it on because it could easily spiral. couldn't that it could. you know what we've been told by people close to the students, protesters inside the gas solid. they already can't, is that they do not attempt to fight that this is not going to be like a, like a seeds are very evil warfare. but that they are more likely to adhere to

their peaceful and non violent principles, which they've emphasized this a loud noise behind the or the crowd getting a little more angry. but um, i'm sorry, give you your question again. what i'll tell you what, what i want to ask is, what about the strategy of the place? yeah, what do they want to do? they want to say the incumbents entirely, and just get all the protests. all right, come right, come now it's me, chief that. 7 you were asking, why are they moving so, so cautiously? well, i think there are several reasons for that. they probably don't want to, you know, cause a lot of injuries or a lot of unnecessary use, a lot of unnecessary force. because if you recall, due to the fact that 24 now more than 24 hours ago, a pro israel of people who came out here and violently attacked the

encampment of as the, the police were heavily criticized because they didn't show up. there were no police here to protect anyone. it stopped that violence from happening. so if the police were to uh, you know, move a to boldly or to uh, aggressively they that, that would be another reason to start criticizing them. i'm. i'm absolutely certain that the mayor of los angeles, karen bass and the governor of california, gavin newsome are all monitoring this very closely, very carefully and making the decisions and calling the shots. and it appears that they want to move cautiously rather than in a rush. and that's again, but what we've been seeing over the course of a 7 hour or more stand off between the the police and the protesters. police being a very,

moving very slowly and very cautiously high will leave you to assess what's more of what's going on with rober. rental support is outside at the incumbents. we're going to go inside the company is $400.00 for protest is the free lunch. john has been camacho speaking just a little bit earlier. he's a veteran company to to give us a, a better idea of what's happening. so can tell us what's happening right now. yeah, so the good, the crowd has kind of the more uh, protesters have shifted to this side of the where the police have reached the barricade. they are surrounding the police officers. the police officers have not at that further. i do see more people are right now, walking up towards where the majority of the crowd is. i do not see the officers were taking any action at this time. how many police officers are you looking at within the encounters who are surrounded by the protest is and you know,

uh, to be completely honest. i can't see the entire uh, groups that came in. but where i'm standing, i can see about probably 10 or so officers well and all right here. yeah, i'm just trying to figure out of the picture. so we can see here not right at this moment in time. draw pictures also that we have coming in on the feed here of the police offices. i think that you described which uh a police officer in right. right. get that have uh uh, seemed to be surrounded. i think these are, this is what you are talking about right now and not moving until just give us a sense of what the mood is within the crowd. yeah, so that's the protesters are chanting to pull the line on the line. i can imagine that that being, you know, don't let them pass if they do push through. so they, they are definitely defensive of this and cabinet that they have set up throughout the week. uh and i do believe that they have to hold this line by whatever means

necessary. right. and what do you mean by that? by whatever means necessary to what degree if they fortified, the incumbent and, and how might they defend it? yeah, so i mean the, the perimeter of the cabinet has everything from metal barricade to plywood to 2 by 4 ro um, you know, screws and nails going in all day that i've been hearing. and then so that, that's just the perimeter. however, the protestors that are immediately near the officers, i do see a lot of helmet. i do see umbrellas that are open. i see some folks coming in right now with some sealed that are trying to move in towards the front. i do a lot of god will. so i mean, and i can imagine that they will that you know, if cops do crush, they will try and hold their ground. they're given the numbers of protesters and the numbers of please. so i think the purchase is that number, the police,

can you see how this can be efficiently in the area kind of be efficiently and safely clipped by the police and with the protest is allow about to happen from what you can tell from within an incompetent way you uh i do not think that the lapd, you know, from the, from, at least from the officers that i can see. i do not think that they could clear this down. they would definitely have to bring in more courses. but obviously there are probably at least uh, maybe 80 to a 100 officers waiting on the other side of the exam outside of the parameter. so i imagine that there's some sort of plan that they are trying to execute here. and this may just be the 1st step, right, and i understand that they're a police offices from 3 different departments. we have the california highway patrol, the police department to middle assigned to the sheriff's department as well. who is it that you are looking at that?

because we can see certainly offices in lee's uniform and right get surrounded by criticism that that may be who you are talking about. yeah. describe what you can say. yeah. so i see a lot of flashlights that are flashing ad the cops right now for all from different angles. and i see a lot of pilots in palestine flags that are being thrown around. um i see just uh you know, just the giant crowd around of the officers. nothing. nothing has turned fire just yet, but a lot of people with instrument, some drumming, keeping a be showing, keeping the champion going, and people climbing on top of the barricade to get a better view of the center of the crowd, where the officers are. that we would talk a little bit earlier than about the passion behind the process and how many a drawing an equivalence to the protest seen in the 19 sixty's against the war in

vietnam. can you see relevance in that equivalence didn't you think it's the passions are running as high and likely to spread across the country? i think so. yes, i do that. the really fair characterization is what if this isn't that? and by war both method i, i wouldn't know what to describe it. i mean the all is assigned here are saying a free palestine and then uh, and the occupation and the genocide, stop the bombing. i mean, those are all symptoms of or so i, there are posted ad, there's the only description i can think of to fit all of that as an anti war movement. and what is the view button of how the authorities have dealt with this on campus? how the authorities have dealt this on campus. i mean for, for you. so yesterday i'm sure you're aware, but there was a some counter procedure. protestors that did arrive and there was that the

encampment was attacked by those counter protesters. there was blood shed so that i did the videos and only today did or sorry, only late last night. after all of that happened, did you feel a start today that you know, they should keep students safe and all that stuff. but i think, i think they've handled it very poorly by bringing in a police agencies and starting this plan here because it's, it's not going to end. what said ben, just hang on now. i'm just going to recap of the situation is we stayed at the moment. we were looking at the main picture that the aerial overview of that you say, a campus in los angeles in california where more than $400.00 protesters in come surrounded by police and the police of the many hours are stand off. los angeles police have moved in cautiously to a very small degree within the income limits,

and they seem to be surrounded by, by pro testers. and we are waiting to see what will happen next. because of course, the police are very concerned about this party, not to control the protests and ssl say that they are peaceful. but we're waiting to see how things are kind of developed. we can bring it across from the rub reynolds, who's also at the campus. so really, what do you seeing from where you are? well, we're seeing, we're up against the barrier here and you can see in this direction a large number of police officers there with the right here, but tons. they are confronting this, this group of people who are supporting the camp and causes the cause of solidarity protesters. so they appear to be sort of trying to keep these folks from going in there. meanwhile, we saw just a moment ago,

a large number of police go into this building here, and these buildings can be used as a way of sort of going around the, the entire and camp and then appear on the other side. so it appears to be one of those police were doing on the other side of this campus. there are also other other one for us, but including the highway patrol officers, california highway patrol officers and the sheriff's deputies from los angeles county. so what we're just, what we're seeing again is, is so you know, this slow and gradual and kind of stand off process. we understand that the police entered into the camp, but they don't appear to burst in mass. let's just take another look here at the

what we can, what the best we can see here. um, as you can see, several ranks of police with their wide gear on. and then if we, if we look in this direction can, you can see these are, these are the folks who are who are watching and, and chanting and sometimes taunting the police, but always trying to, uh, indicate their support for the people who are inside the encampment. so that's the situation from this perspective, enrollment at all. this is somewhat complicated by the fact that you see an a is an open conferences net that anybody can come in onto the kinds of the exactly right it's, it's, it's,

there's no roll or gates around the, the campus. it's a very large, sprawling university and people can gain access to any number of ways. it's simply drive in and park so the police have not sealed off the campus. i would probably require a lot of, of, of police mans are, but that's one reason why, you know, there are a lot of people here who come from other parts of the city show their support and camp and student approaches. clearly not everyone here. the majority of people here and this proud of our students from the university community. well, given the determination and solidarity of the pro testers, it's very evident that this is a, an enormous challenge for the varieties and try to deal with it. that

in the normal sale is to try to deal with it in a way that won't backfire and create a very bad public relations or political situation for the higher ups. that's just the back, which is good and get a good, a good shot to get a good good sense of how many people there are here. this is a delicate situation because again, yesterday, overnight or hours an hour's worth of a tax on this encampment by a pro israel a counter demonstrators. they in that case, the police did not show up for hours and they were heavily criticized to that. and i think always in the back of everyone's my lease or arms and if things if push

comes to shove and there are, there's violence. i mean i, i shuddered to even think of it. but i old enough to remember the kent state killings of 4 college students in in may of 1970 when that shock the nation. that is the last thing that the governor of the state or the mayor of the city wants to see happen to have any kind of serious injury of law or loss of right. so it's a, you're right. exactly right. it's a challenge on any number of different levels. the, the job is for the as far as the police are concerned and their orders is to clear the encampment. the commitment of the people inside the and camp. it is not to be clear. it is to stay where they are, stick to their guns, and the role of the people who are here surrounding me is a bit more amorphous. they're here to support the protestors. but whether they would have any interaction with the police or not,

it's difficult to tell. important to say that the emphasis from the point of view of the, the protest this has been on peace and non violence. and as when it, if the police start to arrest, it'll be putting in to see how they respond to that, whether they will go without resisting arrest is exactly right. and again, we've been in, in communication with people who have been inside. and they say that based upon just the factors that you mentioned, that the, the, the, the, the emphasis that the protest and cameron has had since its beginning on a non violence and peaceful protest that it is unlikely that they would fight tooth and nail to avoid being taken off the jail, having said that human nature is human nature and you never know what's going to happen. but i did with this on a similar occasion just

a re 8 days ago on the campus of university of southern california. when a hundreds of demonstrators were gathered on the lawn, their police told them to disperse. there was then a long stand off, and eventually a por groove about a 100 people gathered linked arms and you know, it sat down on the grass, the police eventually got to them and they surrendered without fighting. they, they simply submitted to having their uh, plastic, hancock flex, lex, the ties put on and then taken to a waiting police vehicles for processing. so, um, i would expect that that is probably the closer to what is going to happen here. we haven't seen around the country and these protests which are linked by the way,

i mean the, the, the younger students are fully uh, on social media and totally digital. so they're talking all to one another about this. and so they have certain principals that they, that they have in common, and one of them is to emphasize non violence. so again i, i don't, i can't predict exactly what's going to happen, but i think the most likely there, there would not be a kind of, you know, battle royal with the police and the protesters. now what i type know that thanks rob, talk with you shortly. i just to remind you is we're looking at a pinch is coming out from the universe to california. use your life in los angeles . you can see an aerial view. that's the main shot. the on the right of the right, you can see a police in riot gear. so can you see the protested? so the lined up in front of them many as

a stand off took place. nothing was happening either about the loan to protest as inside the incumbent. and lots more protest is outside the encompass. and also many ah, since the end of the most anxious face of newton is rope was a very cautious way into the incumbent. and now there is another many stand off going on over the police police in right get talking to some of the protesters and kind of containing hundreds of pro palestinian at support is against israel's actions in gaza. they had been ordered to disperse, but they have not done so. so this is the see. they're on the buses apparently on stand by for those. the rest of the emphasis, of course, has been on peace and violence. and it could be that if the police move it and try to arrest them, they may submit to being arrested. but it's a very tent situation is robust describing because who knows what might happen at any given point. so we're watching very closely to see and we can get a good idea of what's happening within the incumbents with free lunch and has been

camacho, he's observing the situation from that, then what are you seeing now? yeah, so you seem to just happen uh, but as if you were saying that the, uh, the building royce, all that there are police officers now right at the doors that are barricaded. that would lead directly into the cabinet. uh so they did reinforce some of the barricade on those doors and i'm looking now at the officers that came in through the barricade. and it's the same thing. the group is just surrounding them. they're chanting, they're yelling. oh, they are pushing forward onto where the officers out i'm running over to to get a better look. but i do believe that the, the protesters have pushed the police officer back out of the cap and trying to get a better view of the police. officers are being pushed back

right now by the protesters holding seals rela signs. everyone in and with protective equipment and officers are retreating back down the steps where they came in and then tell us the numbers of healing cd is running away from the protesters. they'll it, turn their back on the protesters and is running away. okay, so this isn't latrice, you look sort of numbers. are you talking about the how many police offices? i would say there was a 30 or 40. okay, because i did not do the whole lot. i'm pretty so this is what we can see right now . so please open suddenly leaving it seems to me the income of a retreat and outside the confines of being caught means that you need to figure out what the next best thing to do is a tell us about the mood within the income. and then as we watch these pictures of

the i p d officers retreating for the time big sorry, can you repeat the last part? what's your question is of said give us a sense of the determination within the income and the before 100 or in every with us everyone. celebrating right now everyone. everyone's waiving the palestinian flag, everyone jelly whistling a lot of through i mean just pure excitement in the air that they were able to protect the cabinets that they have set up its valid, they already with the people of god. and what is the determination to kind of hold the line of being competent to, to keep it intact? well, i can see now that people are going back and reinforcing other parts of the camp. and so i, i would imagine that the going to continue and they're not going to give up to write and tell us about it. tell us more about how the, the incumbents has been for to fight and how the protests as themselves have

protected themselves. yeah. so i'm looking at the barricade, i'm up against the barricade wall right now, and i mean there's probably 4 or 5 different layers of material from plywood and other types of wood metal barricade all tied together and nailed together. and the protesters are continuing to put more up there, reinforcing any that has gotten lose. yeah, we're talking, we can use the uh, the protests as we tell them, moving the barricades around the policing to retrieve it entirely at this moment in time. of course, there are many hundreds of offices from blue california highway patrol from the la police department in the los angeles sheriff's department at the scene for the may with the proceeding. very cautiously trying to speak to collections and they just retreated from being company. they were a few offices within. maybe it doesn't say maybe a few more,

but they have now left the encampment and trying to figure out technically how to proceed. because then potentially this is, this could flare up this could spiral, couldn't? yes, absolutely. i mean, i would imagine that they will return with greater force. um oh, excuse me, this could have been just um, you know, testing to see how determine the protesters are. but i do imagine that you are not sending their full force does mean that they still have to come back, you know, right. we do so wait on that to see what happens. right? when would you say that to the protest? is that within commons or willing to resist clear as to what they did quite they will not go quiet. i don't know if you can hear them in the background button . just pure elation. uh now the lapd, at least on this 1st part, has been pushed away and since they've been pushed away, people have not gotten to try it. uh so i know i,

i do believe that they are determined to hold the line at uh, uh, reset the authorities have declared these pro palestinian protests on campuses and unload the full assembly. how do you think this can be resolved? because whatever happens tonight to the scene, the news is really against is ready to israel is or times within garza, this on a diety is strong and it's going to remain, isn't it? so it's a real problem. so yeah, yeah, i mean, the way that, that i, that i could tell the only way to solve this is where you deal a to disclose their investment in companies that profit off of is really a part side or the occupation and divest from those companies that that's, that's the most, that's a clear demand that i've heard all week while covering the,

the encampment. and i, i do believe that that is kind of the only way that this can be solved. what do you say to those who say that this is not the right way to raise your voice against what's happening and goals that it needs to be done in a way that does not affect the daily life of universities. of every day, an american bomb falls on a child in gaza and rubble still a child mouth for his last breath. and i don't think in cameron's on colleges are the real problem here. tell us more. well the us is, it's funding this, this war and that israel is waiting and we will, you know, our taxes say for the, for the bomb our tax pay for the bullet. and the students understand. they understand that we are an extra couple from this war without the without american

backing for the weapons, then israel would take a huge loss and then have to rethink what, what they're doing. and students want to cut off that supply and take, you know, make, make a real stand into the war machine. that is real. and i think, i think and camp man is a very easy way to or not easy way, but it doesn't happen as a very effective way to bring awareness to the situation. a friend that you were talking about, the demands of the protests, as well as the mountains from protest this very at ease university, the mid majority demonstration of cold, as you said, for the divestment, some companies that support israel and the will. and then what you do, if you say a little sizes, tell you that whatever happened i mean it can happen. will it ever happen is i think it's, i don't know. i mean,

i could have hope, i want to say yes that it can happen. but i don't, i mean i, i don't know how, how far you know, how imbedded you feel that they use the system or other colleges are with, you know, companies like boeing or black rock radio. and i mean, it sounds like there's considerable investment into these companies that could be wrong, but for students to demand their, to, it should not go to these companies. i think it is, there is a reasonable step one to die for divestment, but then it's important that you have a you, that we do appreciate it to tell us what's going on within the cabinets at u. c. l . a. if you hang on the for us, if you would. so it is just gone over $900.00 gmc, that's 2 am now in los angeles where police in, right get, who are attempting to clear a peaceful protest against the war in gun.